Hoja, Kiki, and Mohanad react to the drama surrounding Olivia Wilde’s upcoming film Don’t Worry Darling. They unpack Wilde’s relationship with Harry Styles, her beef with the movie’s star Florence Pugh, and the recently leaked video of her begging Shia LaBeouf to come back to set after he was allegedly fired. Then, they take a look at Netflix’s latest reality show Selling The OC and get into all of it: the Alexandras, Gio, Gio’s mom, the $106 million dollar house with the rotating bed. Plus, a conversation about the women of Euphoria, Sam Levinson’s new show with Lily-Rose Depp, and the power of nepotism in Hollywood.
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Mohanad Elshieky, Hoja Lopez, Kiki Monique
Kiki Monique 00:00
Hi I’m Kiki Monique. And this is I’M SORRY, the unapologetic show about apologies. And this week, I spent more hours walking around in my underwear than I did putting on actual clothes. And I love that for me.
Hoja Lopez 00:19
That’s a definitive vibe.
Mohanad Elshieky 00:21
Yeah, well, this is Mohanad Elshieky and this week I am living, honestly, I cannot say more about that.
Hoja Lopez 00:30
And I’m Hoja Lopez. And this week, I was in lesbian hell, I had two old friends that were together break up because one of them was cheating with another friend of ours. And so, you know, I don’t live in that city anymore. But it is dicey back home, trying to figure out how to navigate the treacherous waters of lesbian adultery is not an easy place to be.
Mohanad Elshieky 00:57
I don’t know why expect you to say like a region or a country right after that would have been very funny. Like I wasn’t, I was in lesbian hell, Argentina. Like, okay.
Hoja Lopez 01:08
Yeah, they have a particular dislike for lesbians in Argentina.
Kiki Monique 01:11
Lesbian adultery sounds like my category on Pornhub. It sounds like where I immediately go to. When I look for, it’s my jam.
Hoja Lopez 01:21
My category is rich businessman slipping on banana peel. I think that’s my kink. I think my kink is like a very wealthy white man in a physically embarrassing situation. Okay, in case you were both wondering
Mohanad Elshieky 01:35
If there’s a category on like, Adult Swim or whatever works for you, I guess.
Hoja Lopez 01:41
Yeah, I’m like, I’m a strange grown you know what I mean, with strange desires.
Kiki Monique 01:47
I just discovered there is a dating app. I don’t know how long it’s been around. But I just discovered it called like field where it’s, I think it’s sort of like about playing the field because everyone’s there just to hook up. But what’s great about it is like, in addition to having like 27 different you know, gender identities you can choose from, and 27 different, you know, that you can choose from all sorts of things. You also people just put their kinks right up on there. So you kind of know what people are into, you know?
Hoja Lopez 02:14
I’m gonna interrupt you because this leads so well to the I’m sorry butt, there’s no more perfect transition to my I’m sorry butt, my I’m sorry, but is essentially the LGBTQIA is simply too long of a name and you cannot continue to add, it is supposed to be a fucking acronym. An acronym is by default, a way of shortening what we’re trying to say. And LGBTQIA plus, and the surrounding confusion around it means we are not doing a good job as a people. And we need to stop, we need to turn a new leaf. It is defeating the purpose of the whole thing and I’m sorry, but it’s like, we you either include everyone and really blow it out. Just make it you know, an Elon Musk Grimes child name, or you just change the name of the whole thing. And also, I’m sorry, but just every, does everybody need a flag? Does every single kind of like definition need a flag? I don’t think so. You guys, the rainbow is supposed to be everything. So I don’t know I’m having a real problem with my gaze.
Mohanad Elshieky 03:29
You know, Hoja, this is one of those things where you know, I’m sorry, but is you’re supposed to say something and we have to disagree with you. This feels like a trap.
Kiki Monique 03:40
We agree with this, then all of a sudden we get canceled, Mo.
Mohanad Elshieky 03:44
Yeah, exactly. I’m just listening. And I’m just like, okay, if that’s how you feel your feelings are valid. I am not risking my career agreeing with you.
Hoja Lopez 03:59
I’m just saying maybe the flag just needs to be an ombre a rainbow. You know what I mean? Where the gradient goes from, like, one from White to Black with all of the gradients and colors of the rainbow inside of it. You can’t include everybody and so I just want to let all my gays out there. We need to start like brainstorming a new word that it just kind of includes everybody. I think that’s why we just say queer, but I think just saying the queer community is fine. But I think I’m gonna stop saying LGBTQI plus, I think I’m maybe done with that as a concept for me, because it’s too long and dumb at this point. But anyway, that’s where I am. And I know you guys can’t participate.
Mohanad Elshieky 04:45
Your feelings are valid. This is a space for you to vent and I’m glad that you shared with us.
Hoja Lopez 04:52
Wow. So controversial that you won’t even comment on it.
Kiki Monique 04:57
The most I will say on it is I read I think it was In the New York post an article where and I think it was during pride month where so older gays you know, in New York, were complaining about the flag and saying what you had said about the rainbow is supposed to include every color, everyone. So like, why are we adding more colors to the rainbow the rainbow is all and it was just funny like reading the article because it felt like it’s such a bad. This is how I get canceled. It felt like when people were defending the Confederate flag like I’m only because he was like, I’m only going to put this flag the Red Bull the original rainbow flag on I’m not putting that other flag with all the other colors. And it was just interesting how we’ve come so far that gays who fought for the right to have this flag are now like staunchly like and this is the only flag I’ll fly.
Hoja Lopez 05:48
Hey, we deserve the right to be completely bigoted within ourselves as well. That’s true equality. It true equality is you know, women billionaires who commit fraud on high skills and then also you know, like slightly bigoted gay Republicans. There’s room for everybody in this country. Let’s get into more topics this week. I’m excited about it there’s so much but my like most like titillating thing that happened this week for me was the sort of like Olivia Wilde video leak of her sort of, I guess asking Shia LaBeouf to kind of come back to the production of Don’t worry, Darling, which has had so much drama swirling around it. But kind of like your understanding of the problem to begin with. For me sort of like started popping off first with the kind of hairstyles Olivia Wilde stuff, but the core of it was sort of like rumors of some beef between Florence Pugh and Olivia Wilde like, when did you guys first started hearing about it?
Kiki Monique 07:07
It really, it was like a TikTok maybe right where people were convinced because they had just had a trailer drop for the new. Don’t Worry Darling movie. And Florence instead decided to post on her Instagram stories about Oppenheimer, which is a completely different film. She’s working on that day. And so everybody was like, Whoa, what’s that about? You know, because you assume that most people are contractually obligated to have to post whenever, you know, the movie says so but clearly that was not in her contract.
Mohanad Elshieky 07:40
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I’ve only a lowly only heard about the movie. When the drama started. I had no idea the movie, like, you know, it even was happening before we’d like try it above was supposed to be the lead. And then it became Harry Styles, and all of that. But I also like, it makes me wonder like, when Yeah, when we talk about contracts, like promoting the movie and stuff like that, like, I get it back in the day used to be like, Okay, you’re gonna like appear on the Tonight Show, The Late Show and all of these late and like, you know, dude, like the media tour. But I wonder if contracts now extended to be like, Okay, you’re gonna share it on your Instagram story.
Kiki Monique 08:15
I think it’s absolutely does. I mean, I think what we’ve learned in this new culture is, you kind of can’t even make it unless you bring your own following these days, because they just don’t even want to invest the time and marketing into growing you as a person. They’re like, oh, like, I hope you put in like 1000s of free hours to build this or whatever it is. And then you bring the audience to us, and then we’ll promote you perfect. So but like with a star, yeah, once you get to be such a big star Thorens, you can kind of probably, you know, pick and choose, like, I’ll do one post between 2021 and 2023.
Hoja Lopez 08:52
The thing too, about the promotion of is like, you also follow the artist or you follow the director before you follow the project. Like that’s kind of how it is with big stuff. And like for me, I was obsessed with Olivia Wilde because I loved booksmart so much like, I thought that movie was so great, and really enjoyed it thematically, and thought it was so funny. And so I was like anxiously awaiting whatever her next project was, whatever it was going to be. So when I heard about Don’t Worry, Darling, and I heard that like Florence Pugh and Harry Styles were attached. I’m like, I died and gone to heaven. Like, this is going to be such an amazing project. And so I just remember that first drama of like, Florence not sharing. I was like, whatever like sometimes you share sometimes you don’t like I just kind of thought it was.
Kiki Monique 09:42
Yeah, where Olivia fucked up was, you know, she saw this opportunity because you know, look, when a ship is sinking, people love to throw like more anchors on it, especially if it’s going to like lift them up and so she needed to get as much good press around this movie. And why not throw Shi’a under the bus? He’s already going down. He has this lawsuit with fk twigs. Everyone thinks, you know he has substance abuse issues he has, you know, anger issues all of these things so like, okay, great, he left the movie, I can make a narrative about how I fired him so that the women know that I’m there for them like I don’t deal with assholes on set that was like her whole line she was going with was like, you know, no assholes on my set. And I’m really going to run with it. And, you know, look, it was she was probably facing them. But you know, she talks about it, she just she’s facing the pressure of this sophomore film, because she, you know, booksmart was such a success, she needed this to be a success. And she just found an easy target. And like, what she did not factor into was that Shia kept the receipts like she probably saw him as this dude, who was a fuckup and was not going to have the receipts but Shia showed up with the receipts he went to variety, after Olivia does this interview saying all these things and was like, no, here’s the email I sent to her. And here’s the video she sent to me after I quit the film. I quit the film because of scheduling conflicts. And here’s the video she sent me begging me basically to on.
Hoja Lopez 11:11
She made it sound like Flo was that Miss at the at like Flo was the one that was fucking up and not shy, which I will say two things can’t be true at the same time just to quote our best friend and confidant W. Kamau Bell, from when he came on the show, which is like both Shia LaBeouf could have exhibited poor behavior and also clashed with cast and crew and ultimately, they decided he was not the right fit for but also Olivia Wilde didn’t really like didn’t actually fire him at that moment. So in my mind, I’m like, I could see how both of those things are true. And in that video, she’s trying to get him back on board and like patch together this thing that essentially has gone to shit you know, I think it is really interesting and it feels like maybe there’s more like gray area in terms of his poor behavior because I don’t want to defend the Shia as saying like, well, this is the one time he was a nice guy. And now she’s coming out kind of like as kind of the asshole in the situation. I really think that likely what happened is a mix of both things, which is that she’s trying to make it work, he’s being a dick. And also she is in order to bridge between somebody like Shai and flow has to come on to Shia’s side to try to like placate yeah
Hoja Lopez 11:22
it’s also insane to me that this is the line of promotion that she went with was you know like Shia LaBeouf and she’s like no […] was allowed and all of that while it’s there’s was another easy way to promote this which is the fact that Harry Styles is on it when the biggest pop star on the planet that has a fucking insane fan base that would have watched it no matter what cuz he’s just on it.
Kiki Monique 13:02
But even when she did you know use him as a way to promote it came across weird because one, okay, let’s remember she was still married when they started filming this. And you know, Jason Sudeikis even bought the kids to set and the rumors were alleged, the rumors were that there was something starting on set. And that’s what made Florence Pugh uncomfortable now we don’t know that not confirmed, but like that’s where it sort of, you know, started with but then when she did go and like make a post once wrapping had, you know, filming had wrapped. And she wanted to talk about how so many male leads don’t take positions of like secondary actors to like a female lead because they think it’ll lessen their worth. But incomes Harry Styles and what a great man he was for letting Florence be the lead. Now she’s talking about how women get to be the lead and how so many men do it. But she posted a picture of Harry Styles. When she did it didn’t even put forwards in the post. It was like you’re talking about how great women are while you’re posting a man. It’s like, it was really weird.
Mohanad Elshieky 14:07
Exactly. Also, the other thing is just like it was Florence is just like when it comes between her and Harry Styles, Harry Styles is a famous musician. He’s not a famous actor. Florence though is incredible acting like literally every role she was in. She was amazing. And I think I guess like if I was like in her position too, I’m just like, why is this every conversation happening? Literally not about me and about like the work I am doing and we’re just talking about the […]
Hoja Lopez 14:35
That’s what I feel right now. That’s why is this conversation not about Hoja.
Mohanad Elshieky 14:39
It’s just like insane. Like, it’s just like, you know, you have this big star and then just like, and now you feel like everything that’s happening around you is being used for promotion. And she even talked about like the trailers when they were released, because most of the child only focused on the sex scenes between Harry Styles and Florence and she’s like, there’s so much to the movie, outside. have like these two sex scenes? Why are we only talking about this?
Kiki Monique 15:03
But that’s what Olivia did talk about. That’s what was even more annoying when she did talk about Florence. It was in the context of the sex scenes. And then Florence comes out right after her. And it’s like, look, this movie is more than sex scenes, which again, made it look like we are butting heads, we’re not even aligned on how we want to talk about the film.
Hoja Lopez 15:21
Yeah, all I know, is I’m going to wait until you guys are receiving an award onstage, the both of you just wait, you’re going to be at a highlight in your life. And Hoja Lopez is going to serve you fucking papers in the middle of your speech, as you’re looking down at the audience, or accepting your award. And I’m ready.
Mohanad Elshieky 15:40
There was also a funny thing too, because there was a whole, like, a whole thing too about like serving the papers on stage, because it was like was that staged? Because like Jason Sudeikis was just like, I didn’t ask them to do that.
Hoja Lopez 15:52
Yeah, she made a comment afterward, like recently, where people were like, asking her about the papers in her relationship to Jason’s Vegas. And she sort of like insinuated is like, there’s a reason why that like, relationship ended, insinuating that like, there was something more insidious there. And then he did it on purpose. So I think there’s some real drama unfolding behind the scenes with that relationship. Which sucks, because I don’t know, you imagine? I will say, I imagine that hot, rich people don’t have any problems. And I have to remind myself that maybe they have actually, they have less problems. But yes, like lesser problems that they have to make huge deals about, do you really like, I guess, in my mind is probably the fame and the money actually adds pressure. It doesn’t necessarily like take away all the pressure.
Kiki Monique 16:46
More money, more problems. I mean, a poet said that his name was Biggie.
Mohanad Elshieky 16:51
Exactly, exactly. And I’ll tell you, what, less money even more problems, it’s insane.
Hoja Lopez 17:22
Do y’all feel like I mean, I know like reality TV is very, sort of, like scripted now. And there’s so many sort of like setup moments. But Kiki, like if you want to, say a percentage, like of Real Housewives, or like selling OC or like, you know, like selling sunset of those shows? What do you think is like actually real? And what do you think is like, totally fake,
Kiki Monique 17:47
the only thing that’s real is that these people really wanted to be on TV. And we’ll do it, whatever it takes. The storylines that like they need to get there. Look, they exist in a way, but they’re mostly manufactured, the real drama only comes when those storylines get broken. And they aren’t able to, you know, spit out the narrative that they want to because they’ve either been disrupted by another cast member, or a producer has, you know, gotten in the ears of other cast members, letting them know, or people like, you know, Bravo accounts who have inserted themselves into the drama, creating more drama, and that’s where you get more realness. But for the most part, I mean, look, one of the one of the greatest accounts right now is Spencer Pratt on TikTok and it’s because he started this whole series of just like, revealing how the hills and all of that was so Frankenstein, you know, meaning like, scenes cut together to make it to edit. It’s been happening forever and ever. It was just like, back then we didn’t know, now we know. So now it’s like, again, like it’s almost like watching professional wrestling. Like we know it’s fake. But there’s elements that come through that are real and we sort of watch it for that.
Hoja Lopez 19:09
Got it and you sort of like the stuff that happens outside or like the public reaction that then kind of like feeds the show.
Kiki Monique 19:18
Or just their personality and how they deal with it. I mean, you know, we get some of the greatest memes in the world from reality television, because, you know, Nene Leakes is going to be NeNe Leakes. Right? And like, you’re never gonna fake those reactions to things or, you know, they’re still comedians actors, all of that at the end of the day.
Mohanad Elshieky 19:37
Yeah, I literally only watched the first episode of selling OC or selling the OC. And these houses are fucking insane.
Hoja Lopez 19:47
They are honestly bizarre.
Mohanad Elshieky 19:52
It just I know, they’re real, but to me, they’re not. I’m like, what like, I’m just Like trying to think of what amount of money I should, I would have to be like, you know what $106 million on a house makes sense to me.
Kiki Monique 20:10
No, that’s billion, like you don’t buy $106 million house unless you have billions of dollars because I’m sorry, if you have $300 million on a house, you’re not like you don’t have good financial planning. I’m sorry.
Mohanad Elshieky 20:25
Of course. No, absolutely. Absolutely. You have to have at least, at least, I’d say $4 billion for that to be, for that to not affect you, by any means. But even then, like, I’m looking at these houses, and I’m just like, I don’t know if I ever want to live in that big of a space.
Kiki Monique 20:45
It’s weird, right? Because like when I see things like living plant walls, I’m just thinking like, Who do you call to maintain that? Like, if the water fall breaks down? Like who are the people that fix that? Like the lie? The garage that has the revolving car, you know, ups and downs, like, do I have to get a mechanic for that. Like I just, the logistics behind a house like that seem too stressful for me.
Mohanad Elshieky 21:12
Exactly. Or like the they had this like, you know, the roof tab that opens and then the bed that like. So you can like watch the stars and the moon, depending on where they are. And I’m just like, I literally was thinking the same thing. If this bed gets broken, who do I call to fix it? Is there like a tanning beds?
Hoja Lopez 21:35
Live in that live plant wall that are just gonna get in your house because all indoor outdoor living.
Kiki Monique 21:43
We’re like practical people who’ve had to deal with these things. Like we’ve had normal just regular IKEA beds break. And that was like a pain in the ass. And so I don’t know, like, if you just have so much money, you just you’re like somebody’s taken care of it’s not to me. I don’t know. I don’t know. I have to get like an accident when I get rich.
Mohanad Elshieky 22:03
To me is just like if you have like a four bedroom apartment in New York City, this is rich to me. This is like, this is where my dreams are just like hit a ceiling and they just like I’m okay with that. You have a lot of space; you’ll make it nice. If your background is like one of those like, like if your background you’d like I don’t know if Central Park or Sunday. Enough. This is good. I don’t need more. Like, I don’t know, go like the spinning bed and stuff like that. I’m just like, this is something that I would get if I was renting an Airbnb or like a hotel or something, something I use for two days. Just a fun experience. I don’t want to live this way.
Kiki Monique 22:44
I don’t want to live this way or I don’t want to live this way. I mean, look, I think OC is just weird to me anyways, like I’ve only been there like once I went in, it’s beautiful. It’s a beautiful place. But I definitely felt the difference of me like leaving LA and getting OC and feeling out of place like it’s, it’s what Staten Island is to New York if that makes any sense to you, it’s the very red part of Southern California. You know, very Republican heavy, very Trump heavy and so anytime I’m in OC I’m just very like, I feel like I stand out. And that’s why when I was watching even selling those, I was like, you know, look, a litmus test for me of whether it’s a good reality show is like, do I hate every single person on here? I do. Okay, it’s great TV. And like, that is how I felt like watching selling OC because I was like, I can’t stand any of these people. But like, the tension usually when you have tension on reality shows there’s like a reason for it. It felt like from out the gate. They were hating each other and I couldn’t figure out why. And it was finally I think around the third episode, I realized, oh, one half of the office are Trumpers. Nobody has said that. Nobody has identified their political beliefs but I can read it in their faces.
Hoja Lopez 24:11
Okay, who do you think is what, who do you think is what?
Kiki Monique 24:14
Alexandra’s and […] I believe are the Trumpers.
Hoja Lopez 24:18
Oh, I can totally see […] as a Trumper
Mohanad Elshieky 24:21
Can you imagine an office that has less of us do that? Like literally they have three like they don’t even have diversity names. It’s insane to me and everyone at their office like everyone in the OC I guess looks like the kind of person who like loves watching those clips of someone like a soldier coming back from war and meeting their dog.
Hoja Lopez 24:46
Gio is giving me such Trump vibes you’re right like I like can’t stop thinking of Gio. And okay. Geo and his mom are giving. I don’t know what they’re giving but they’re giving uncomfortable for me. I don’t know what it is about their situation. It’s just every time I see them together, I’m always like, no, don’t make the show about this. Just let’s keep moving forward. Obviously, I just want to see those houses and I want to imagine myself attending a party there are doing something really stupid and fun. I mean, would you say is the biggest difference maybe between like the OC and then the selling sunset?
Kiki Monique 25:27
I mean, I just think not much other than that they have men in this cast, like selling sunset was really about all the women power women with their six inch heels selling real estate. This one has this added element of men, which, you know, of course, when I started watching it, I immediately assumed because I’m a stereotype, I assumed they were all gay, right? Because I was like, Oh, we’re they’re in an office with these fabulous women. And when I found that every single one of them was like, married with children. I was like..
Mohanad Elshieky 25:58
Every one of these men are the straightest person I’ve ever seen in my life. Like I did not know that you can do that. Like the guy literally like when they were like showing them this $106 million house and he saw the bed and he was like, if you if you can get lucky in this bed, I don’t know what would help you. And I’m just like, this is what you got out of this. You saw all of this, the beach and everything. And you’re like, well, here, hey, man, if you can, if you can have sex here. And if this does not work out for you, I don’t know what will help you. And I’m like, cool, man. That’s awesome. Thank you.
Kiki Monique 26:34
So like, you know what’s so funny to me is you know, Tyler, who is on the show. His wife is Brittany Snow. You know, I know she’s an actress. I don’t know much about her. I mean, she a Disney actress?
Hoja Lopez 26:45
Oh, she was in. She was in the Bellas. She was in Pitch Perfect.
Kiki Monique 26:51
Okay, yes. Okay.
Hoja Lopez 26:53
She’s been in quite a few. Some good big movies.
Kiki Monique 26:56
Yeah. So I always think it’s so funny because, you know, she’s obviously she’s not gonna she had did not show up on any single episode. And I wonder sometimes if she was like, you know, Tyler was like, I’m gonna do this reality show. And she was like, Okay, well, I want nothing to do like, you know, do you think she was just like, Absolutely not because they bring her up we know he’s married to her. But we when he goes to like events where everyone brings their wife she doesn’t go.
Mohanad Elshieky 27:21
I make enough money to not have to show up in this.
Kiki Monique 27:24
You go do your little reality show. I’m going to be..
Mohanad Elshieky 27:27
To me this is a downgrade, If I appear in any of this.
Kiki Monique 27:52
Kind of reverted back in reality show world we’re playing dumb is popular again. Like what? You know, growing up, I have like Revenge of the Nerds. And like, you know, nerds and like nobody, like in this generation would ever, like understand Revenge of the Nerds. Because nerds are cool, right? Like, everyone wants to be a nerd. But nobody wanted to be a nerd in the 80s or 90s. And now, but in reality show, there’s just this like, level of like, playing stupid or a thing where, like, you win awards for it, which is kind of interesting.
Hoja Lopez 28:27
I’m trying to think of like, when being stupid is like generally rewarded. And I have found that there is like, something about people under estimating you and you still being a badass at something. And like, I have friends who cannot spell, cannot spell are terrible spellers don’t know words, and then have brilliant careers and other areas of their lives. Or I have, you know, friends that are literally my friend Leslie, like, maybe like three months ago was like, What is World War Two? That’s a straight up question that she asked me. And then I had to sit down and just explain, you know, the basic, you know, main powers, Hitler and all those guys there. But Leslie is so successful in her field. And I do think that part of what I see there is, yes, a little bit leaning into stupid, but I also see like, I don’t know, I kind of like it. I like the vapid queens who are also like very successful in other areas of life because I do think that there, that’s kind of a miscalculation is to assume that somebody’s stupid again, another Paris Hilton effect is to assume that this is not part of the role that she’s playing.
Kiki Monique 29:42
Yeah, well, you know, will you make me think because when I think of like Gen Z, for example, I think of like this generation who very much prides themselves on like being intelligent, be knowledgeable, all of this stuff, but like one of their favorite shows, and one of my favorite shows too, is Euphoria. And when you look at the kids have euphoria, right? Like, the most popular kids are like, you know, we have, you know, Maddie, and we have, who was Sydney? This character I can’t even think of her character name. But it’s like, but it’s funny because it’s like, there are these sort of like vapid, whatever, but they’re also these very, like cunning characters that are very, very complex. Right. And so I guess there is like a kind of dual side that we appreciate.
Mohanad Elshieky 30:32
No, I know. And I mean, like, euphoria is a is a very weird show. Because it’s just like, season one was amazing. It was incredible. It was so many like storylines that you wanted to see unfold and all of that and, and then season two, they were like, Okay, how about we go with our script this time? And yeah, whatever you think off is just like and just say it and I am going to be here. You know, me director. I’m just gonna throw you lines every now and then and just see what sticks. You know, there’s really no story anymore. Everyone be young and hot. That’s the story. Cool. Do drugs.
Kiki Monique 31:09
Do you think that’s why Barbie Ferreira laughs?
Mohanad Elshieky 31:12
I mean, she literally almost did not appear at all in the second season. She had like few and it’s such a, like, disappointing thing. And she was like, she had a really great storyline.
Kiki Monique 31:24
My favorite character. Yeah, she was about to join only fans like for real for real.
Mohanad Elshieky 31:31
Yeah, and then and then. And then they were like, Yeah, okay, you’re, you’re not gonna appear anymore. We’re not gonna give you much.
Kiki Monique 31:40
I mean, I know, the rumors are that like her and Sam Levinson, the creator, like didn’t get along, you know, she, they denied it or whatever. Of course, we’ll never know if that’s true. But you know, I, you know, I just I think this behind every rumor, there’s got to be some spark of truth.
Hoja Lopez 31:56
Definitely. I mean, she did kind of like outwardly say that, essentially, there was like, you know, I can’t remember the exact quote, but it seems like there was some creative differences in where Sam Levenson wanted cat Hernandez or the character to go versus where Barbie Ferreira thought that she should go so she kind of expressed her own sort of disappointment in the direction that it was going in. And I know that there’s like a lot of rumors and a lot of sort of tension but that Instagram post she said something like I hope many of you could see yourself in her like I did and I totally saw myself and like our character and I agreed it was my favorite character and even though we’re not sure if it has to do with Levinson or not it definitely feels where there’s smoke there’s fire.
Mohanad Elshieky 32:46
And Levinson now has another show coming out with. And I was like well I’m glad to understand those of women got together to make another show. I’m sure whatever the woman characters are gonna be just written like perfectly.
Kiki Monique 33:06
Well, we know what the main character is Johnny Depp’s daughter Lily Rose Depp, which yes, I mean look, the trailer looks amazing. I’m absolutely going to be watching Yeah, I don’t watch it too but like wow, you know like this had been happening in the background of this you know, trial this Amber’s her Johnny Depp trial. I, you know, I wonder what would have happened if you know, the trial had gone like a different way. But like this, this to me feels like we’re gonna get a whole new error of like the Depp family, right? Like he has a second life. And now his kids are gonna have a second life. I mean, look, his kids were already gonna have a pretty decent life because, you know, we know her father’s Johnny Depp, but like, are they going to get the cloud? I mean, I just feel like she’s gonna blow up.
Hoja Lopez 34:00
Yeah, and this show is like no small deal. I mean, the people that are in it, it’s like Dan Levy is in it from Schitt’s Creek, Hank Azaria, The Weeknd, Jenny from Black Pink, because she’s one of the members of the K-pop group pack Black Pink, like, I really feel like this shows gonna be badass and weird. And it does sort of like lead me to believe is like, easy that just as like all eyes on Lily Rose Depp, and then she gets these opportunities? Or is it just sort of this sort of the fear that we have that no matter how hard we work, there’s always going to be like a celebrity’s daughter getting in the way of like, normal people stream.
Mohanad Elshieky 34:43
Yeah. I mean, I get what you mean. But I cannot think of any other examples of like, kids who have rich parents making it.
Kiki Monique 34:51
It never happened at all.
Mohanad Elshieky 34:54
I think this is this is very rare. I mean, you know, like the hundreds of people that can think off a side, no one. So she’ll be fine. And I’m sure all of you auditioned for anything and the daughter of a celeb also auditions, you’ll get it. It’s, you know, it’s all merit based.
Hoja Lopez 35:10
I know because it’s harder for them, because they have to work twice as hard.
Kiki Monique 35:17
You know, it’s okay. It’s like we’re fully aware there’s like people in Hollywood that we know the connections are it’s like, you know, we know who Gwyneth Paltrow is mother and father are we know who, you know, even Billy Lord’s mother? Well, you know, like, we know certain people, what weirds me out, are the people we think have gotten there on their own. And then even they have this weird connection. Like I was, did you see the drama that had gone down ever that film bodies, bodies bodies, there was a review written about it in The New York Times by Lena wherever this Yeah, and this and I didn’t read the review, but it had something to do about like, you know, like, so many, like, boobs or something like that there was something like that. So Amandla Stenberg DM, who was in the film bodies, these DMS the film critic, Lena, and was like, you know, maybe if you had kept, you know, your eyes off my tits the whole time. You know, we could remember this, you know, you could have like, watched the film anyways, and ended up in this whole tick tock War, where like, Lena reposted the DM. And, you know, Amandla had, like, you know, defend ourselves. Like I thought, you know, we were both gay. I thought it was like a funny joke. Anyways, at the end of this, all of this coming out, Lena ends up having to delete all of her social because everybody was like you nepotism baby, because apparently, Lena got this film critic job at the New York Times when she was 24. Because her dad’s an editor at the New York Times, you know, it was like, it was definitely a milkshake scenario. But like, even that, it’s like your dad is an editor at the New York Times. So you became a film critic at 24? Who gets that opportunity?
Hoja Lopez 36:59
That is pretty fucking wild.
Mohanad Elshieky 37:01
Yeah, I can talk about this forever, because it’s truly I just like sometimes very hard to talk about the things they feel like, I feel like we all now in a place where sometimes like, we know these people, and you know, like, you know, these people who are getting these opportunities and whatnot. And then you discover like, who their parents are and it’s very hard to critique it. Just like, I don’t want to sound like a hero now, but I mean, come on. I know people who are better, they should have gotten this opportunity. But clearly, and then I guess what bothers me like, here’s the thing, like, Just admit it, it’s okay. Just say I had money. I had rich parents and that’s why it was easier for me. I am also talented. Like, I believe that you’re talented. No one’s saying that you’re not. It’s just that you want us also to believe that you got this on your own. And I’m just like, it’s not everything works by connections. Everything is connection based. And that’s fine. It’s that’s how it works. Just admit it stop lying to people.
Hoja Lopez 38:01
I can’t wait to see how I benefit my for my connection with the two of you. I cannot wait to Oh god, I cannot wait to be like, You know what? I know, Kiki, Mohanad, so how am I going to get a leg up? Here is my question you will be receiving nothing from me. I have nothing to offer except for my love and friendship. But if I ever do, I’ll think of you two. You’ll be first on my list.
Kiki Monique 38:25
and then I will serve you on stage with a lawsuit for you owe me.
Hoja Lopez 38:32
I can’t wait. I can’t wait to escalate our friendship to that level.
Mohanad Elshieky 38:36
Well, now it’s time for my favorite segment, which is sorry, not sorry, where we you know, either apologize for something we did. Or we asked for an apology. And this week I’m gonna start with Hoja.
Hoja Lopez 38:50
Yeah, that’s so interesting. Well, I think I would like an apology from just the horse flies. Do you guys know what a horse fly is? It’s just it’s sort of like a big fast sort of like buff fly that bites and actually takes blood from you. So that’s how they feed? Right? It’s not a mosquito. It’s a fly that drinks your blood.
Kiki Monique 39:18
Do they only live at lakes because it sounds like a lake monster.
Hoja Lopez 39:21
There’s a bit of a lake problem, okay. Thematically my life is like if I had when I die and God asked me what was the theme of your life, I would have said, bodies bodies bodies and water. And this is I really am pissed off. Because I was at the beach. I was at the lake and I was very uncomfortable. And I got bitten nine times by horseflies yesterday. And I would just like an apology from you know, this sort of like scheme of nature. I know Mother Nature is supposed to be very wise and everything. But I would like mosquitoes and horse flies and lantern flies like to just be eliminated. And I would like an apology from all the mosquitoes that have drained me of my life force. And my gogo juice, aka my blood. I hate mosquitoes. I fucking hate mosquitoes and now I fucking hate horseflies.
Kiki Monique 40:18
They sound disgusting. And another reason I won’t be going to lakes.
Hoja Lopez 40:25
I get it out of all of the reasons not to go I would say that’s the..
Mohanad Elshieky 40:28
Literally every week you build a case against lakes and then you get upset when we say a lake suck.
Hoja Lopez 40:34
What about my boat adventure?
Mohanad Elshieky 40:36
You were not in a bot. You’re not in a lake.
Kiki Monique 40:39
There’s a difference.
Hoja Lopez 40:42
I was anything in a lake. Okay, exactly.
Mohanad Elshieky 40:45
Kiki, what’s happening with you this week?
Kiki Monique 40:47
Um, you know, I just want to apologize to my East Coast friends who I have on chat, who wake up to probably like 16 TikTok’s and like 11 DMS and like across all platforms, you know, just like in their text messages in their you know, in their IG in their TikTok DMS you know, when I can’t sleep at night, because when I can’t sleep at night and I’m like scrolling for hours, and I see something funny, I need to share it with the people I love because that is my love. Love Language is okay. And I apologize that you wake up especially if you have like silenced your phone you know you do the no receive no notifications and then that you turn your notifications on. And the first thing you see is like a plethora of my DMs manically sent throughout the night. I apologize. But I also hope that I bring you joy a good laugh first thing in the morning. You know, I tried. Well, the worst is when I though like I see like funny things. But then I also see tragic things and then I send both because then who am I? Why am I doing that to you? Yeah, so I apologize for that, but I’m not going to stop. So I guess I also apologize in advance for not being I’m not going to stop.
Mohanad Elshieky 42:05
I get it. I mean, hey, feel free to send me anything. I’ll wake up and look at it and either laugh or cry it truly I wake up every morning willing to do both. Yeah, I’m like on either extreme. I’m either in a very good mood, or I’ll just start sobbing you know, who cares? But well, my mind is going to be okay. This. I mean, it’s not really asking for an apology because this will feel like more like mostly I’m doing a movie promo. But I did already tell you about this is this movie. So I went and I watch Marcel the Shell. Oh, yes. Yes, this this this weekend. And I’ll tell you this, you know, I would like to demand that apology because I’m 31 years old. And I’m not supposed to be at a movie theater, watching a movie about a shell in crying my eyes out. Well, I was expecting like, I do not mind crying. I just expecting to come to watch a cute movie and laugh. And I’m just like, and I’m just like now. Like, it’s very hard to explain to people too. Like, like, because what’s the movie about him? Like, it’s about a shell and he has a grandma. And she’s also a shell. And like, what else? I’m like, What do you mean, what else? He has one eye and he’s wearing shoes. And it’s the cutest movie ever. And also, I guess I need an apology from like the movie industry in general. Because that movie was perfect. And it was also 90 minutes movie. I am done with three hours movies, stop doing this. This movie has showed me that it is possible to do everything make me laugh, make me cry, give me a perfect story in 90 minutes, like God intended. Like when you show me three hours movie, you’re telling me that you do not know how to edit. And you think everything that comes out of your mind is perfect. So maybe put your ego aside and just show me the parts that are good.
Kiki Monique 44:05
It’s so true, the minute I see a two out like any two in front of a movie. I’m like, no, no, 90 minutes is the film. I don’t want to be here for two, even two hours flat. I don’t even want to do exactly.
Mohanad Elshieky 44:17
I don’t have the time. I don’t have the time. And it’s just like, it’s too much like sitting in a movie theater for that long. And like you literally order something and you finish it and they take it away from you. And I’m like, wow, this is still going should I order something else like what’s going on?
Kiki Monique 44:33
Well, that’s the thing I love you know, I love a movie theater that has drinks and stuff, you know, and I’m like drinking some tequila and I’m like, I’m like I’ve had four tequilas. I’m glad that I […]
Mohanad Elshieky 44:45
I know but yeah, this is this is who am I demanding an apology from in a good way you know, this is, go watch Marcel the Shell.
Hoja Lopez 44:54
I can’t wait. I’m gonna go watch it ASAP.
Kiki Monique 44:57
Well, you know what I’m gonna try to maybe I’ll try to watch this We can September 3, oh movies in the US are $3. I’m just buying tickets everywhere. I’m gonna watch movies all day long. I’m gonna start at like 9AM I’m not even kidding. I have a 12 and I don’t have a 12, I have a 12 at Alamo for bodies, bodies, bodies, and I’m watching it all.
Mohanad Elshieky 45:18
You know what? I’m gonna fucking do that. Like I’m gonna like find someone like I’m either gonna go with Rosie if she has time or I’m gonna find a friend. And we’re just gonna spend the whole day watching movies. I think that would be a fun date.
Hoja Lopez 45:30
I want to do it too. Okay, cool.
Mohanad Elshieky 45:33
Let’s do it. Fuck yeah, September 3. Okay, I’m gonna add that to my calendar.
Hoja Lopez 45:38
Okay, very excited about this. Well, okay, my angels. Thank you so much. This was so fun. Thank you guys for listening.
Kiki Monique 45:47
I’M SORRY is a Lemonada Media Original. The show is produced by Alex McOwen, supervising producer is Kryssy Pease. Our executive producers are Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Our mix is by Kat Yore and theme music was composed by Xander Singh. If you like this show, please rate and review. And please don’t cancel us. You can find out more about our show at @LemonadaMedia on all social platforms, or follow us on Instagram at @imsorry_podcast. We’ll be back next week and until then be nice, play fair and always say I’m sorry. Thanks for listening!