Can You Be Addicted to Relationships or Fortnite?
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In this round of listener questions, one friend asks about serial monogamy and the pattern she sees in her female friends of hanging on to relationships. A brother wants to know what he can tell his sister about her curtailing her son’s Fortnite tantrums. Plus, one woman who doesn’t understand why her son would be given Suboxone.
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Transcription
SPEAKERS
Lisa Voicemail, Dr. Nzinga Harrison, Val Voicemail, Claire Jones
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 00:03
Hey, y’all. This is Dr. Nzinga Harrison, and I’m your host of IN RECOVERY. Thank you for joining us this week we are doing another Ask Me Anything episode, because the questions are pouring in, and definitely things that we think could help a lot of you who are listening. So keep the questions coming, Claire, should we remind people how to send them in?
Claire Jones
Yes, we should. So you can call us at 833-453-6662. That’s also 8334-LEMONADA. If you’d like to do it that way. You can also send us a question through our Google form, which is bit.ly/inrecoveryquestions.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Cool. We’re gonna try to do these like once a month, but we’re not making any hardcore promises. Okay, meet us where we are. But here we go. What’s the first question Claire?
Claire Jones
Okay, so the first question is a voicemail from Val.
Val Voicemail
Hey, Dr. Harrison, my name is Val. Big fan of the show. I’m writing and because my friends and I are constantly lamenting how many of our amazing female friends are addicted to monogamy, so called serial monogamous. I’m sure you’ve heard the term before. These are the friends who don’t feel whole unless they can say they have a significant other. And usually it doesn’t matter who. This goes beyond when a girl’s friends like just don’t like her boyfriend or when he encourages co-dependency those are different. Sometimes he is great. Sometimes he’s not the problem. Sometimes you can even get the sense that he is the one being used. He’s a means to an end.
Val Voicemail
And in this case, the end is her mental well-being. Relationships usually aren’t harmful the way substances can be. But for so many strong, amazing and smart people I know, the idea of being in a relationship is most of what controls them and their emotional state. It sounds so similar to the way people suffering from substance addiction use external measures to try to fix the internal can monogamy be an addiction? Can the label of girlfriend be one? Where do these impulses come from? And how sophisticated are they? Lastly, what can the fact that we’ve overlooked this as a phenomenon teach us about the way we conceptualize addiction in our society?
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 02:22
Okay, Val, that was about 30 questions in one voicemail, I think you really started to touch on how it can be helpful to conceptualize what you’re describing, I think people would call co-dependency, we lightweight call it’s like you’re a serial monogamist as an addiction. So if we take the definition of addiction that we use on this show, continued use whatever the behavior is, despite negative consequences. In thinking about how to approach your friend, is you can see the negative consequences, which is very often the case for a person that has an addiction, can she see the consequences?
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
And one of the ways we try to navigate if there’s a divide, like you see negative consequences, and she doesn’t see negative consequences, is to hear from her. When I’m not in a relationship, then what does that void feel like? Because you can get to the motivation of the relationship. And then like we do with substances; we try to replace that benefit with something that’s not causing negative consequences. To get very tactical about it, there’s almost no person with a relationship addiction that I’ve met or taken care of that I could not find the root cause of that in their childhood.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
It is almost always so when we start looking for root causes, Claire already knows what I’m about to say like therapy really, really is what we need here to look at what relationship from childhood, is this friend of yours, recreating, or attempting to recreate? Or what void or what deficit of level of meaning, level of self-capability, level of self-value wasn’t fully provided as a child that she’s trying to fill with these relationships.
Claire Jones 04:24
Yeah, what I envision, like, just thinking about friends, or people I know who sort of who are serial monogamist or go from one relationship to the next is that it’s hard to figure out when to have this conversation because they’re either attaching that pain and sorrow to the previous relationship, or they’re already focusing on the next potential partner. So how can you ask this question of like, what does it feel like when you’re single at a time or in a way that they don’t attribute it to the breakup or the previous partner.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
I mean, it’s difficult. So I’ll give you the advice that Joel’s and my couples therapist gave us three years ago, which was, we were like, we don’t want to spoil the good times by talking about serious stuff. And she was like, the good times is when you talk about serious stuff, because that’s when you have kind of the most emotional bandwidth to be empathic or to look at things clearly, like you don’t have intense emotions clouding your ability to think quote, rationally. And so I would use that to inform my answer. And the next thing I’m going to use is like when we’re taking care of people with substance use disorders, right now is the right time to have the conversation.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
So if we’re applying the idea of addiction to serial monogamy, right now is the right time. And it’s okay to do it when things are good. So even if she’s in a relationship, and I know, we’re pointing this specifically at vows, friends, so we’re saying she, I don’t want to send the idea that this dynamic doesn’t exist for men also, while they’re in a relationship, and while they’re feeling good to have this conversation, because at that point, you don’t have negative intense emotions that are clouding the ability to hear a message that you’re trying to send empathically. The last thing I’ll say, so we always talk about root causes. And the next thing we talked about is magic formula. So this really is a hunt for root causes.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 06:34
It is also what is the benefit, we tend to focus on the negatives, these are the negative consequences that this is causing you. What are the benefits that are coming from this serial monogamy behavior? And how do we replace those benefits with something else? That’s not as negative? The other thing I want to emphasize, and then I think maybe we will be ready to move to the next question, is Val was intentional to emphasize smart, successful, beautiful, amazing, independent. And it’s because the underlying stigma in that emphasis is like people who need relationships, don’t conceive of themselves as those things, or are not those things.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
And so I know, the emphasis bow that you were trying to make was like, you’re okay by yourself, you don’t need someone else to complete you. But there is part of a human dynamic, that we do need other people to complete us because we’re pack animals. And so like everything else we talked about on this show, it’s finding that sweet spot where the benefits are outweighing the negative consequences, and that were able to figure out if the negative consequences are outweighing the benefits. What are the root causes of that? And how do I replace that with something else that is more benefits and less consequence, but I don’t want to, I don’t want to send this idea. Like, if you’re strong and amazing and successful and intelligent that that means you don’t need relationships.
Claire Jones 08:09
Right. Right. I think it’s this distinction of like, it’s okay to want to have a relationship. It just you don’t have to attribute success or failure to not having a relationship or having a relationship.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Yes.
Claire Jones
Let’s take a quick break and we’ll be back with some more questions.
Claire Jones
Our next question is from Eva who says: “I’m at a loss trying to help my husband stop drinking. I think he’s in denial. The fact that he works and is a great provider to our family, gives him a great out to deny that he has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. Seven years ago, he had surgery for grade two Astrocytoma.”
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Astrocytoma. Brain tumor.
Claire Jones
“He has to get MRIs every three months to check for tumor reoccurrence, takes anti-seizure medication and a very low dose of antidepressants. He will not participate in therapy. I just don’t know what to do.”
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Eva, thanks for sending in this message. This is a really common experience. So I think to emphasize you said here the fact that he works in is a great provider gives him a great out to deny that he has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. This is this concept of alcoholism that we have which is like in the gutter with a brown bag begging for money, when that’s not the majority of what alcohol use disorder looks like. So I want to give you a couple of tangible steps. Number one, alcohol use disorder comes in mild, moderate and severe. It sounds like your husband probably has mild to moderate. But I want you to do two things.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Google “Eleanor Health, Do I Have A Problem?”. This is the cage questionnaire that’s gonna come up. It’s four questions. Have you ever felt the need to cut back? Have you ever felt annoyed? Have you ever felt guilty? Have you ever needed an eye opener? One yes gives us 77% chance that your husband meets diagnostic criteria for alcohol use disorder. Ask him if he will take this quiz. If he will not take this quiz, this is your answer. You already know your answer. But we’re just trying to give him some like factual insight. Right? So that’s number one. Take that quiz. That’s just google “Eleanor Health, Do I Have A Problem?” and it will be your first result that comes up on Google.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 10:36
The second is pull out the diagnostic criteria for alcohol use disorder. And we can drop this in the show notes. So Claire, this will be on Very Well Mind. We just google Very Well Mind alcohol use disorder; the criteria will come up there. And there are 10. And if you meet two of these criteria, only two, you have a mild substance use disorder. This is another kind of like; I’m not bringing this from emotions to you. I’m just using diagnostic criteria. Number three, is that using alcohol suppresses your immune system, which puts him at increased risk for recurrence of cancer, which Astrocytoma is a brain tumor. And so we need his immune system to be in tip top shape. And probably nobody has presented that to him before.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Number four, is that this cycle of alcohol intoxication and alcohol withdrawal actually dramatically increases risk for seizures. Seizures are part of the alcohol withdrawal syndrome. So just from your husband’s medical history, we have two reasons why we have to be excruciatingly sensitive with his alcohol use. So please tell him that also. And then the last thing is not pointed at him. It’s pointed at you please go to wethevillage.co, take their course. Their course is for loved ones of people with substance use disorders who are not yet ready to go into treatment. And their statistics show that greater than 60% of those loved ones go into treatment after you do this course.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 12:22
Because what it does is help you with your own coping and it teaches you how to empathically communicate the need for treatment to your loved one, okay? So “Eleanor Health, Do I Have A Problem?” Take the quiz. Very Well Mind Alcohol Use Disorder Criteria, count them up. Three, alcohol suppresses your immune system which increases your risk for cancer. Four, alcohol withdrawal comes with its own seizure risk, which is destabilizing his seizure disorder, which maybe his seizure disorder is from the surgery from the brain tumor from the Astrocytoma. Five, wethevillage.co for yourself.
Claire Jones
We have a question from Tyler who says: “I know you did an episode about screens but my sister is facing a challenge right now. Her elementary aged son told her Fortnite is my life. And when Fortnite is taken away from him, my sister says he will scream and yell and fight the rest of the night. Kicking his brother, refusing to brush his teeth, yelling in his bedroom for an hour after being sent to bed, giving my sister the option of an actual migraine or letting him play Fortnite. What advice do you have for her?
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Take the migraine. I know that sounds crazy. And I’m a migraine sufferer. So I do not give this. I do not give this advice lightly. Seriously, seriously, your nephew is at very high risk. So he is definitely exhibiting addiction to the screen. Elementary age, I’m going to guess that means somewhere between 5 and call it 10. And so we need to intervene very quickly. The reason I say your sister has to take that migraine is because it is going to be a migraine. But if you don’t intervene now, this just gets worse and worse and worse and worse. And we know that our kids developing brains are being altered by screens and being altered by video games.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 14:23
And if he’s already having this emotional response, then we have to look closely at what we can do. So one I would have her talk to the pediatrician to try to get a referral to a child therapist, because we need to look for root causes for your nephew. These video games actually have behavioral psychologists whose job it is to make it impossible for you to put the game down so it’s entirely possible that he just got addicted to Fortnite because they’re scarily effective at their job to let us not put it down. But also with kids this young, have kicking and screaming and yelling and fighting for the entire night. I’m looking for anxiety. I’m looking for depression. I’m looking for the rest of the emotional dynamics in the home. I’m looking for his peer group, like, does he have any other friends, and I’m looking to teach this child emotional management, coping skills and mindfulness to reduce his risk for addiction later in life. So have your sister ask your pediatrician for a child therapist, because the child therapists will support your sister and how she makes the interventions at home behaviorally, to try to get this on a better path.
Claire Jones
Does she need to do anything for herself? I have my parents tell the story of the first time they were doing like sleep training for my brother, who’s the oldest in our family. And, you know, like, it’s the first time that he’s sleeping alone. I don’t know if that’s what it is. I don’t know, when they cry, and then you like don’t?
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 16:03
Yeah, you just don’t go get them so that they can learn how to soothe themselves and go back to sleep.
Claire Jones
And he like, he was like throwing blocks at the door. You know, it’s horrible. It’s like horribly traumatic, your baby is like sobbing, sobbing, sobbing, sobbing and you can tell that they’re like, so upset. And I think must be I assume I don’t have any babies. But I assume that it’s very hard for parents. So in this case, is there something that Tyler’s sister also should do as a parent for herself?
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 16:32
There definitely is. So this is actually a growing problem. And there are a lot of parents who are struggling with this. So this resource is called gamequitters.com. Literally have resources specifically for parents, whose kids are displaying these addictive behaviors around video games so that you can get support and know that it’s not because we think right, like, oh my god, I must be a bad parent. It’s like, no, here’s some support. Here are some discreet ideas for how you can intervene. Here are other people who are also going through the same thing you’re going through. So that’s gamequitters.com.
Claire Jones
That is cool that there’s a resource for that. Kind of fucked up maybe.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Exactly. It’s like hugely a problem. But this entire website is devoted to helping people quit video games and they have a section for parents to try to help their kids.
Claire Jones
More questions right after this break.
Lisa Voicemail
Hi, I’m calling about my son who is 25 and is currently on Suboxone because he had some opioid issues that were given to him at an urgent care without asking him if he was an addict. And they gave it to him. He was in recovery got hooked on them. So he went to recovery again to get up opioids with services. He wasn’t on them before he got them prescribed to him for her shoulder injury. And he’s been sobered for a year now but except for the Suboxone. Now the Suboxone has been a huge, I would say factor in his life. He hasn’t been able to work all for a year. It is messed with his brain and his attitude. So he is now trying to get off at 25 by himself, he will not go to any type of recovery program because he felt like they put him on Suboxone. And he would have rather have just gone off of opioids strictly and not gone on Suboxone to get off of opioids. So hence, he’s now been a year on Suboxone, which is ridiculous. So why this friggin Suboxone?
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 20:40
I can hear your desperation. So I want to start with really emphasizing how like your question 100% has layered in it, how important it is to feel like you can trust your health care provider for whatever reason. And so you’ve had this experience with your son that has made it hard for you to trust, I totally get it. So first, I want to say thank you for calling into our show. And trusting that we’re going to be able to give you some information that’s going to be helpful. The answer to the question why? I don’t know your son’s entire medical history. But what we know is that people who are prescribed Suboxone and take it as prescribed to people with an opioid use disorder, which it sounds like your son had, a 39% less likely to die from an opioid overdose.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
So that’s the answer to why, they prescribe Suboxone because Suboxone plus therapy, plus support system, plus stress reduction, plus connection to life meaning and purpose, are the best chance that we have of your son not overdosing on opioids. So I want to, even though we’ve not had the best outcome with your son, I don’t want you to feel like those people started Suboxone for your son because they didn’t care about him. They started Suboxone for your son because they wanted to reduce the chance that he would die of an opioid overdose. When you say he had to keep increasing the dose, increasing the dose, increase the dose to get that same feeling.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 22:34
Suboxone at the right dose, doesn’t give you that feeling. And so what you’re seeing there is that your son was actually having uncontrolled symptoms of opioid use disorder, that he’s increasing the dose, increasing the dose increasing to dose to try to get that intoxication, euphoria feeling, which is not the purpose of Suboxone. When you say that now he can’t leave the house and it changed his personality, and he can’t go to work because of the Suboxone. My hypothesis is that it’s because of an addiction, and opioid addiction, that he’s having those things. And I’ll also worry about depression, anxiety, you know, how I always say, look for those other root causes. And so he came into I think you said that urgent care and he had the injury, he already had a history of addiction.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
And then they prescribe the pain pills. When he comes in with that history of addiction. We actually need your son’s help on this. We need your son to come in like I’m with you. I wish everybody would be like, do you have addiction? Because we know it’s not like that. Everybody who’s listening, if you have addiction, please please just like, put that on the table upfront and be like, I have addiction. I see you’re prescribing this narcotic, is there any other option we have, but he came into that urgent care with addiction. And so I would have been wanting to look for those root causes of his addiction. Even before that, depression, anxiety, trauma, untreated ADHD, support system, friends, childhood psychological input stressors, right?
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 24:17
And so now that he’s refusing to go in any rehab, and actually I see this very commonly also, I’m gonna give just a shameless plug here. I hope you’re in North Carolina, New Jersey, Washington, Louisiana or Massachusetts, because we would love to help take care of your son at Eleanor Health, because you don’t have to go into rehab to get help for what your son is experiencing. You do need a program that has a therapist and a psychiatrist and appear and a medical professional that can help if the answer is taper off Suboxone to help get on another medication for opioid use disorder. Like a Vivitrol or Naltrexone, that doesn’t have the risk of addiction.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
If you’re not in any one of those Eleanor states, then I want you to go to shatterproof atlas, we’ll drop it in the show notes. And your son will answer a variety of questions and then Atlas will actually be able to tee up treatment providers that you can trust have your son’s best interest in mind. They’ve been vetted for quality. So it was a long answer to say, I feel your devastation. Suboxone was not started out of carelessness, it was started because that is one of the main tools that we have to prevent your son from dying of an opioid overdose.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
We know that it has a smaller risk of addiction. It sounds like your son has developed an addiction to Suboxone, we have tons of options to move to medications that don’t have those. The last thing I’ll say, Claire always reminds me, get support for yourself. So please, please, please go to wethevillage.co. And take their course it is specifically for moms like you loved ones moms included, who have a person who needs help, who is not willing, for whatever reason to go get that help. And their statistics are that more than 60% of people who go through their course, their loved ones get into treatment because it treats you how to navigate empathy, compassion, communication, boundaries, etc. So hopefully this was helpful, but main thing, just keep searching. Just keep searching. Just keep trying. It may not work today. Tomorrow is a new day, the next day is a new day. Just keep trying.
Claire Jones 26:45
Well, and also it’s like, I wonder too, again, I mean, thinking about what we’re doing this season. It’s like how much of not wanting to go to work and not wanting to do a lot of things is pandemic related.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Yeah, I mean, I think that’s a really important point, because the last year has been an abject struggle for most people, and for people who already had addiction layer on top of the struggle, those without addiction had is the stress and isolation and trauma of the last year drives relapse risk. Yeah, it drives that dysphoria drives that sense of disconnectedness and drives that apathy. We’ve all felt it. And so you’re right, Claire, that could totally be contributing. All the more reason. So I’ll add this on. Thank you, Claire, let me make my answers better. Which is that he may refuse to go to rehab. But he may be open to some other type of support system based on some other interests that he has. And any support system in any meaningful connectedness right now will be a step in the right direction.
Claire Jones
Yes. Maybe if it’s presented as not being the Suboxone that is the sole cause of why he’s feeling different. Okay, so our last question comes from Sarah, who says: “I am a person in recovery, who also has chronic pain, have drastically reduced my pain med use with the use of Kratom.” I always say it wrong.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 28:22
It is pronounced both ways.
Claire Jones
Oh, okay. Great.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
So, you always say it right.
Claire Jones
“I’ve drastically reduced my pain med use with the use of Kratom. But I don’t know much about it. I wonder if you can give insight on it, and also the wider range of the topic of psychedelics and recovery. Why is it so stigmatized to seek alternative treatments? Would Kratom be harm reduction? If it helps me step away from a more potent drug for pain? Why do I still feel ashamed of my use of it? Thanks for all you do. I so appreciate this podcast.” Oh, it’s nice. Thanks, Sarah.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
So to just give a straight black and white answer, which you know, is not going to be the end of my answer. Yes, moving to Kratom would be harm reduction from either a prescribed medication or an illicit opioid that is more addictive. That said, I’m literally in the middle of a detox for one of my patients from Kratom. So where people make the mistake is they think Kratom is natural. So it’s safe. And so just because it’s natural does not mean it’s safe. The reason it works for your pain is because it works on the same receptors as opioids. And because of that, it carries addictive risk. And so I want you to take a look at why you feel ashamed about using kratom is it just because of this concept that quote Kratom is a drug and it’s just sigma, in which case I want to help you resolve your shame around that.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
If you’re ashamed because I feel like I can’t use without it. I feel like I’m using more and more I feel like I have to lie about the amount that I’m using, I feel like I have to go to illicit places and buy it. Like if we have any of those type of red flags, then I’m actually worried if you may be becoming addicted to Kratom and Kratom once an addiction develops can be very dangerous. Seizure, withdrawals, opioid overdoses, like every all of the risks that we have with, quote, traditional opioids, we have with Kratom. That said, I circle back to the first part of my answer, which is, yes, if you are moving from more potent opioid drugs, moving to Kratom would be considered a harm reduction strategy. The last thing that I will say on psychedelics was the question that you asked, there’s a ton of stigma around psychedelics, because psychedelics can be high risk for addiction.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 30:53
And so when we think about what are psychedelics are, psychedelics are PCP, MDMA, Ecstasy, Kratom, we draw a line on what psychedelics are considered to be so I wouldn’t necessarily put Kratom in there. But when you hear those type of drugs, then the stigma develops because people see those as drugs that are being misused, and causing addiction and interfering with and ending people’s lives. So that’s where the stigma comes from. Also, the stigma comes from, I think, a fear we have as humans that anything that quote unquote, alters our thoughts, is like, changes who we are and has the ability to steal your soul type of fear type of thinking. So we face that, we face that with antidepressants, we face that with anxiety medications, we face it with ADHD medications.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
And so part of I think we like as humans have a fear of losing ourselves. So anything that works in the brain, we attach that fear to it. So I don’t have a stigma against psychedelics, right. Like, I think there is a place for psychedelic assisted therapy, I think the same way, we have to enact safety precautions around every controlled medication that we use. So when I give you a pain medication, there should be safety interventions around that. When I give you Coumadin, blood thinner, there should be safety interventions around that when I give you an Insulin, I have to let you know, if you take too much it’ll kill you, and put safety and education and supports around that.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison 32:30
And so I think psychedelics can be used in the same way, we just don’t have enough data in the medical establishment to tell us what those safety interventions are. And so that’s a long story for why I think the stigma for psychedelics exist. What I want you to walk away with Sarah is that Kratom is not a get out of pain free with no risks […]. Kratom has significant risks. And so if you start to see any of those red flags in yourself, the place you would go to get help is an addiction treatment place.
Claire Jones
The one question I do want to add is like, what about mushrooms? There’s like more research on..
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
..Psilocybin?
Claire Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Yeah, my brain brand now. So like, […] you just rebooted me Psilocybin, Peyote, Ibogaine is what I’m trying to come up with. So there are tons. But I tell people, same thing I say, just because it’s natural don’t mean it won’t kill you. Yep. Because Arsenic is natural. And just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it won’t kill you because alcohol and cigarettes are legal. So that gives us like this false sense of safety. So it’s really just the same way we’re using all of those other things. The same applies to Kratom. The same applies to the psychedelics, like, you’d use them knowing that there is a risk of addiction. So educate yourself on the signs of addiction, so you can recognize them in yourself as early as possible and intervene. And if you already had a history of addiction or family history of addiction, your risk is higher. Or if you have an untreated depression or anxiety, or if you had trauma, or if your ACES score is greater than four, or if currently your stressors are very high, like all of ours are in the pandemic.
Claire Jones 34:25
Right, right. Right, right. Yeah. Well, that’s it for our questions for this episode.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
Those are some great questions. To be clear, I will never answer a question and be like, that wasn’t a great question.
Claire Jones
So thank you, everyone who wrote in, thanks everyone who called in and keep doing those two things. 833-453-6662 or bit.ly/inrecoveryquestion. And we will see you all next week.
Dr. Nzinga Harrison
See you next week. Talk to you next week.
Claire Jones
Talk to you next week.
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