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Lovers of dentistry beware, some hot takes are included in today’s ep. Lovers of a matching set, you are free to board. This week, Jess is back in the GC resetting the feminine energy, while June is fighting the good fight against confirmation texts with a special four-legged guest in the room.



June Diane Raphael, Jessica St. Clair

Jessica St. Clair  01:37

Hi, I’m Jessica St. Clair.


June Diane Raphael  01:39

And I’m June Diane Raphael, and this is The Deep Dive. We’re about to do what women have done for centuries, we are crowding around the fire with our generous haunches.


Jessica St. Clair  01:50

We got babies hanging off our tips and we’re going to share with you our fears.


June Diane Raphael  01:54

That’s right.


Jessica St. Clair  01:55

Our joys, our tips on how to stay alive.


June Diane Raphael  01:59

Now Jess, we’re heating a call that no one has made, not a soul but you’re invited to listen!


Jessica St. Clair  02:06

Absolutely because we make one promise and one promise only we will not Google a thing because frankly, we’re too damn tired. Please get ready to go on The Deep Dive.


June Diane Raphael  02:24

Hello, Jessica.


Jessica St. Clair  02:26

June, looks like a lady, June, June, June, the like a lady.


June Diane Raphael  02:33

Boy, oh boy. I put your face on today for me. I did put my face on for you and a few other things, but you know mainly for you. I am going to come in hot for a second, please. On my cycle app, I am what I’m scheduled for today, so like oh god.


Jessica St. Clair  03:02

You’re like a phoenix. This is why you look like mother dragons today, I know I’m like I’m both I’m both excited to see it and I do feel scared.


June Diane Raphael  03:11



Jessica St. Clair  03:12

I guess.


June Diane Raphael  03:14

Yeah. I am.


Jessica St. Clair  03:17

Yeah, just like be careful, is all like look, be safe out there.


June Diane Raphael  03:24

Everybody be safe out there. Like I’m on the roads you know?


Jessica St. Clair  03:30

Yeah, the roads driving around today so like, beware, you know, beware.


June Diane Raphael  03:35

I got into it, Jessica today this morning. With someone who works the front desk at my dentist office.


Jessica St. Clair  03:45

Okay, an unlikely place for a complaint and yet they find ourselves.


June Diane Raphael  03:53

Now, I really fucking resent what it takes for me I don’t know unnecessarily right now to schedule an appointment and to get that shit in the calendar.


Jessica St. Clair  04:04

Yeah, cuz it’s in the calendar.


June Diane Raphael  04:05

It’s in.


Jessica St. Clair  04:06

It’s in the callus and like to check […]


June Diane Raphael  04:09

You want to know something about me check the […].Well there, and I’m following thing to a motherfucking tee.


Jessica St. Clair  04:17

Yeah, we also yesterday, I was not on a meeting because in my cow, it was set a specific time zone.


June Diane Raphael  04:24

And then?


Jessica St. Clair  04:25

It wasn’t in that time zone, and again, if it’s not, and you wrote me and said that, you know, don’t worry, and I’m like, oh, I’m not worried. Because you said it’s okay, and I said it is okay. It was just shocking to find myself on a call that you were done, I was like, oh God, is she dead? I assumed you were lying dead in the road. If you were making this call, because I wasn’t gonna bring […]


June Diane Raphael  04:56

It wasn’t in the callate that the times and I had been told no long story short this dentist appointment for cleaning you know I have to go and I had braces as an adult. You had your baby my journey. Okay, so see me that’s who I am because of the exterior braces I’ve had and then retainer permanent retainers, I have to basically hold my face together. I have to go into for cleanings at a quicker frequency than most.


Jessica St. Clair  05:29

Okay, so like how often do you go on to get your teeth cleaned?


June Diane Raphael  05:32

God who knows? I’m in there every three months.


Jessica St. Clair  05:36

That’s a very frequent time.


June Diane Raphael  05:39

It’s it is because there’s certain sections of the teeth that in order to floss them, you know what I have to do?


Jessica St. Clair  05:45



June Diane Raphael  05:48

Read a plastic needle.


Jessica St. Clair  05:53

Okay, even imagine.


June Diane Raphael  05:55

No, eye sight’s going and I got a thread and needle the thread out the other way and then take that plastic needle and stick it in between every tooth and pull this thread out. It’s the most unsettling sensation. Okay, so I have to go in very frequently. Because I have no I have no real way to floss that area.


Jessica St. Clair  06:20

Got it, okay and haven’t flossed and ever. So okay, go ahead.


June Diane Raphael  06:27

Whiskey, that’s tough for me actually love flossing. And that makes sense, I can’t get to you simply can’t get to.


Jessica St. Clair  06:35

Flosser like, again, boring poll, but like flossers unite. And also those of us to who actively don’t floss. We’re also a group and we’re unrecognized.


June Diane Raphael  06:49

Well […]


Jessica St. Clair  06:49

And you shouldn’t be I probably had to have advanced gingivitis. My dad has teeth that looks like a colonial soldiers. You know, like they might as well be made of wood.


June Diane Raphael  07:02

Which as your teeth look like no, this is turned into a teeth podcast. Podcast about teeth. Sorry, listeners. I know we’ve spent a lot of time on our teeth.


Jessica St. Clair  07:15

Your teeth looks so healthy to me. And yet, what could be under Yak? I will I would enjoy flossing your teeth. Great, let’s make a video for the Academy, great. You float myself, okay.


June Diane Raphael  07:30

So I go in, last appointment, I make my I put it on the […]. I’m making that appointment in the office, and I got my phone out, and I’m like, you’re going in the cow right now. And I show her I said, you know, it’s here, you don’t she goes, can I send you a reminder? I said no, it’s too frequent to get a reminder.


Jessica St. Clair  07:50

Why are we getting in the weeds with this woman, okay.


June Diane Raphael  07:52

And she says, well, let me just sent let me just put on a postcard, I said please don’t. And I bless showed her, I said, look, it’s here in the most this is it.


Jessica St. Clair  08:03

This is crazy.


June Diane Raphael  08:04

So then last week, I get a text from them, because they text and they say hey, you have an appointment next week, reminding you February 14, that 1:30, text yes to confirm. And I’m like, No. I’m not texting you. You’re now angry. Why are you taking my energy? And I’m like.


Jessica St. Clair  08:38

Thank you for telling me that because I don’t have it anywhere right now.


June Diane Raphael  08:41

Well, okay, so then I know that that’s nice for a lot of people and I think that’s great and I wouldn’t mind the text that said hey, reminder, it’s Tuesday, it’s okay great I see it. Now you’re asking me to do work, so I don’t reply.


Jessica St. Clair  08:56

In an act of resistance, VIVA LA RESISTANCE.


June Diane Raphael  09:01

Yes, then she writes again I know you’re saying this is a bot but there’s what one point where it doesn’t become a bot. Can I get another text? This is yesterday. Please reply see to confirm so we know you’ll be coming. Or call us if you need to change. It is extreme, that’s one text another text. It is extremely important you confirm this that you confirm this appointment as our schedule is very full. We will make another time new texts, Jessica.


Jessica St. Clair  09:35

Oh my god.


June Diane Raphael  09:36

This is insane, and I don’t respond to any because I’m like you motherfuckers, you try to cancel my.


Jessica St. Clair  09:44

This is some Scorpio ship right here.


June Diane Raphael  09:46

You would rather show up and have it cancel.


Jessica St. Clair  09:49

I want to go through that moment. And I want to stand up for everybody who’s getting these confirmation emails.


June Diane Raphael  09:55

I’m, I was prepared to do that, okay, I was prepared to show up up and say, This must stop, okay and then I get a text today. Good morning, will you be coming to your appointment today at 1:30? Jessica, oh goes threw my phone out the window. And I just right back Jesus exclamation […]


Jessica St. Clair  10:40

Oh my god.


June Diane Raphael  10:41

She writes back, thank you and a little.


Jessica St. Clair  10:46

That’s a person. That has gone from AI to a person they had to shut you off to a real person. I find this process and a lot of people are adopting it.


June Diane Raphael  11:03

Almost every body.


June Diane Raphael  11:06

If confirmation. It’s like you want to know what energy it took for me to make this appointment? And now you’re asking me to like basically make it all over again? Well, I think that that process was made for people like me. And so I weirdly feel like apologizing to you. I know and I feel like apologize to you because I don’t know how many times. In fact, just yesterday, they’re like BB Mr. ORTHODONTIST appointment. I’m like, I assume I’ll miss at least one and then go again. You know, it wasn’t the cow.


June Diane Raphael  11:36

You got to look at the cow. You know, remember? Then that’s your tough spot is looking at the cow.


Jessica St. Clair  11:41

Yeah, and I got the alerts but yeah.


June Diane Raphael  11:43

Sometimes I ignore the alerts.  I find this this new way to be unacceptable because also what I’m going to say today if asked, and I’m really going to try to I’m trying to work this energy out now, Jessica, so that when I show up, that I can speak calmly and rationally.


Jessica St. Clair  12:05

If anything more worked up, it feels like we’ve done the opposite, which is actually to dump more gasoline on this fire and I’m afraid I’m gonna get a call for you this like I’m in jail with bananas in the dentist office.


June Diane Raphael  12:17

I didn’t want to write her back like I truly did just want to show up and say fucking try not to see me. Try it bitch. Okay, my confirmation happened when I made the appointment. It is so in infantilizing it is so it really insults my intelligence to be treated like this.


Jessica St. Clair  12:46

No and I totally get it I get it. But like I think as a culture you know America runs on Dunkin like we want to be told where to be and when because it’s over scheduled and how many people have canceled or not shown up that they’ve been forced to eat.


June Diane Raphael  13:05

But I paying in their dues, why am I it’s it’s you’re preaching to the choir it’s like why am I having to suffer because of all those who’ve and then I didn’t even read you get the text that said we need 48 hours notice in advance if you’re changing or canceling your appointment otherwise.


Jessica St. Clair  13:25

Phone too soon.


June Diane Raphael  13:26

And I’m and I might bitch, I know I’m going to be charged in full. Also, if I’m charged and full and charged in full I will take that consequence rather than receive and look at these texts and press C for confirm. I will I would rather.


Jessica St. Clair  13:45

People sing, singing that song so angry men. It is […]


June Diane Raphael  13:52

Sometimes I’m like am I Republican?


Jessica St. Clair  13:55



June Diane Raphael  13:56

Because I’m like, please trust the individual trust her ability to manage her own fucking life without treating me like a goddamn child and putting me into a system to into fucking big government over here. My confirmation is I will be there or I won’t actually those are the two options and if I’m not there, I’ll pay the piper.


Jessica St. Clair  14:27

You just others, but this other transaction. You know, that’s it. I’ll stop there but I hear you and I see you feel like I’m I’ve given this a glibness that actually is quite dangerous, and you did warn me so I don’t know why. I think it’s okay to poke the dragon to poke the tiger. But I agree with you don’t slide into my DMs don’t slide into my phone unless I have said consent, right? What happened to consent, thank you.


June Diane Raphael  15:03

And here’s what I want to ask you. And this is a genuine question. Because I run a business I understand I have I have, you know. And from their point of view, they will be paid, whether I show up or not, that’s the truth. Now, they seem to be telling me that it is if I don’t show up that they’re going to both take my money and try to get another person in my slot.


Jessica St. Clair  15:39

Yeah, so actually, they’re trying to double dip.


June Diane Raphael  15:41

They’re trying to double dip and I’m like, if this was an oncologist office, a brain surgeons office, I would understand a cleaning?


Jessica St. Clair  15:56

This is like.


June Diane Raphael  15:57

What brings me back to is am I’m gonna say this, and this is going to be and we might have to cut what I’m about to say, Okay. I’m serious, this might get me into the hot you know, it what it brings up for me too, is just the field of dentistry. And the people who are going to take their God given smarts and talents and not try to heal. No, you can’t practice.


June Diane Raphael  16:35

To say anything, right? Because, guess what, it’s you gotta cut. Guess what it’s making me feel is like, you’re just reminding I don’t want to think this of you, dentists. But you’re forcing me to, when I see you trying to double dip and get your cash. Now I’m even wondering, do I need to come every three months?


June Diane Raphael  16:59



Jessica St. Clair  17:00

Now I’m questioning.  Could you do your own dentistry?


June Diane Raphael  17:03

That’s what I’m wondering.


Jessica St. Clair  17:05

Right, could I get in there? Could you train a child to get in there and do you do the scrape scrapes because it’s such a, it’s such an intense experience to go in there and wasting three hours of your time.


Jessica St. Clair  18:33

Yeah, I do believe that Dan, one of the Amazon pack packages that arrived during the pandemic was a set of, of professional dentistry tools that Dan took to his own cleanings, I believe during the pandemic, and he did quite well. And he did quite well for himself and he was happy to report that there was no no negative effects. But that’s strange, that’s a strange thing to to knock knock in arriving.


June Diane Raphael  20:34

I’m listening and I know people genuinely have like serious issues with their teeth. Although I’ve gone through my own share.


Jessica St. Clair  20:39

You have been through.


June Diane Raphael  20:41

I’ve been through it.


Jessica St. Clair  20:42

I don’t know why Bibi always asks me to tell her again how you had your baby teeth as a child, mean as an adult as an adult. Sorry, she always asks, tell me again, June had them did she know they were baby teeth?


June Diane Raphael  20:57

I did.


Jessica St. Clair  20:58

How did the adult teeth hide up there?


June Diane Raphael  21:01

I don’t know, arrested developments. Arrested Development. I mean, again, you know teeth are, teeth are are very primal. We have all of them when were born. Do yourself a favor, and maybe I’ll post this on the Academy for this week’s episode. Do yourself a favor and Google. I’m gonna show it to you right now. Jessica, Google a newborns go.


Jessica St. Clair  21:30

Oh, God, there’s teeth out there.


June Diane Raphael  21:33

That I just want you to see this. Okay, just give me one second, please. Oh, God. Give me one second. Once you see something. Okay.


Jessica St. Clair  21:45

We gotta get a guest on. This is where we’ve devolved to.


June Diane Raphael  21:49

I know, but I just want you to see this one thing. I’m going to share screen.


Jessica St. Clair  21:55

Oh my God.


June Diane Raphael  22:00

Look at that.


June Diane Raphael  22:01

Ah, so what you’re seeing here, is I’d like you to look outside of you is.


Jessica St. Clair  22:08

Why are they so high up by your nose?


June Diane Raphael  22:11

Your two teeth here that are up by, what are these fucking teeth? Look at all teeth.


Jessica St. Clair  22:20

With this.


June Diane Raphael  22:21

Look at this, three year olds developing teeth. Look at all those teeth hiding up there. Look at number seven. Look at how high? Okay, look at how high number one is?


Jessica St. Clair  22:35

A lot.


June Diane Raphael  22:36

They have, I mean, I’d love to show you a picture of a shark skull.


Jessica St. Clair  22:40

Okay, this is not a visual medium.


June Diane Raphael  22:43

Okay, I’m sorry.


Jessica St. Clair  22:44

What it looks like is a pomegranate with all the seeds tucked in there with their teeth, this is.


June Diane Raphael  22:49

That’s exactly right.


Jessica St. Clair  22:51

Okay, okay, so that’s crazy.


June Diane Raphael  22:54

Yeah, so like there are it’s no wonder that my teeth are like bliss, I guess all that’s to say we’re storing.


Jessica St. Clair  23:01

That’s trauma in there and some of that might be coming out on the texts. But that’s also just your you know, your I guess your Republican leanings your secret Republic readings? No, just kidding, cut that.


June Diane Raphael  23:15

Oh, they didn’t know leave that in there are certain areas where, you know, I see philosophically where, you know, I believe in states rights and individual rights or certain areas is one of them.


Jessica St. Clair  23:29

Yeah, I hear you, I hear you well, I don’t think it’ll be on the presidential ticket necessarily on the on the list of issues of hot.


June Diane Raphael  23:37

You don’t think she was gonna take this on listen as an elderly man. This is this is his platform, you know?


Jessica St. Clair  23:44

And how about the fact again, we’re gonna move off teeth but how about the fact that all of our grandparents had dentures? Like they were just not in the business of keeping their teeth?


June Diane Raphael  23:54

My dad had dentures at the age of 40.


Jessica St. Clair  23:57

That’s wild.


June Diane Raphael  23:59

I know.


Jessica St. Clair  23:59

It was like they just didn’t you know, but listen, we’ve graduated that’s.


June Diane Raphael  24:03

I know, I’m curious about that, like, yeah, it just didn’t seem like anybody went into their old age with their teeth. So are you saying that’s changed?


Jessica St. Clair  24:14

I do believe so, I do believe that they’re trying […] will I probably not, you know, but I’m hoping that sciences you know, develops further advanced.


June Diane Raphael  24:27

I’m happy to see you just how are you, I see her at the GC the girl cottage there seems to be an lovely map up and sort of like found wood and.


Jessica St. Clair  24:36

Yeah, well, so I, this is so cute but it turns out two doors down two doors down. They’re laughing and drinking and having. He was running around and and this lovely gentleman peeked his head out and he said deep diver.


June Diane Raphael  24:56

Oh, in the wild?


Jessica St. Clair  24:59

He goes we know all about the GC, they know all about it. He said I should burn some sage now that Dan’s out, you know, because Ben.


June Diane Raphael  25:07

That’s fun Jess.


Jessica St. Clair  25:09

Yeah, so that’s really fun and Carl Hornblower has been coming every morning to the GC which you would think and this is no disrespect to Carl of course, but he doesn’t bring that kind of destructive masculine energy that Dan was bringing it actually feel and I let him I said, I said, Carl, make yourself at home, stay for the day, and he did.


June Diane Raphael  25:35

Well, Carl is always gonna get in where he fits.


Jessica St. Clair  25:42

This is Kyle Bernheimer, who is my TV husband and we’re writing another show where we are TV husband and wife and yeah, you know what’s wonderful about Carl everything, but he and I have had to as any partnership, you know, get into it, you know, different boundaries and how we’re working together and God dammit, does that guy know how to apologize?


June Diane Raphael  26:05



Jessica St. Clair  26:06

Ain’t nothing sexy as hell, bothing sexy if I could tell, he’s like, if I could say I’m sorry, I’m like, wait, what? Like I you know, I’m with an Irish man, like, I’ve never heard my father apologize. You know, you don’t hear your you don’t see your dad cry and you don’t hear him apologize. Because that’s something that we don’t do in the old country. We simply the men don’t. So it’s just wonderful, so Carl’s here every morning and I make him a latte. You know, it’s waiting for him in the GC […] Yeah, you’ll miss days for two hours and I say skedaddle, and the GC just keeps bringing me joy in life and just absolutely wonderful. So yeah, I’m here in the GC and oh, not only that, I booked you know, I like a last minute trip on points. Booked a trip to Hawaii over spring break quick in and out in and out. Bibi’s best friend is from a whole family’s from Oahu, so I thought, let’s go where the locals go. Not only that on Airbnb, it’s a deep diver booking the reservation. And she said, how would I get you up to an ocean front?


June Diane Raphael  27:21



Jessica St. Clair  27:22

That I recognized your your fate? Yes, now, should I be putting my face out there my real face on it? I don’t know but she said what if I bumped you up to the deep divers or her in all the crevices? There’s deep divers everywhere. And what’s really odd.


June Diane Raphael  27:37

When system, yeah.


Jessica St. Clair  27:39

What’s so odd is that they know our minute to minute life. So it’s like we already know each other, we’re already close.


June Diane Raphael  27:48

Yeah, there’s already, yep.


Jessica St. Clair  27:50

Let’s language it’s like, you know, in the Victorian times, where you would, you know, correspond for a year and a half before you ever met the person you were gonna get married to, but then by then you already really knew each other. And that’s the way to do it.


June Diane Raphael  28:02

To be quite honest.


Jessica St. Clair  28:03

GC, you know, kind of like giving back energy going on, and I really, really appreciated that, so I’m very excited. I love and you know, in the academy, we’re going to have a class on packing. And, unfortunately, we don’t have an expert. It’s just going to be us trying to um.


June Diane Raphael  28:23

I might film that today’s episode pack to go away tomorrow.


Jessica St. Clair  28:26

What a great, great idea. What a great idea. I’d also love for you to consider because I know you’re going to Europe. God I wish I was going with you is to pack in it in a roll on. I don’t want you checking.


June Diane Raphael  28:39

Well, this is something I wanted to tell you. So this is breaking news for so long. I mean, Jessica has always said Sinclair’s, don’t check and that phrase Sinclair’s don’t check.


Jessica St. Clair  28:54



June Diane Raphael  28:56

As been ringing in my ear. And I had been really in a bit of a dance with different types of luggage. And then I saw Casey, with that really fancy what’s a call day to me. And I saw it and I’ve went away with her a few times. And I saw her using that to me nicely had her name ma’am or mammogram, monogrammed on it. I thought this is a suitcase of significance.


Jessica St. Clair  29:26

And I want to talk about that.


June Diane Raphael  29:28

And we will and we will, so I said.


Jessica St. Clair  29:31

Want to get back to that.


June Diane Raphael  29:32

I said to myself, it no it’s an investment and in my mind what I have always been told. I mean, Jessica, I’ll really post a picture of what my father brought for Thanksgiving one year in California, but it had silver masking tape on it.


Jessica St. Clair  29:47



June Diane Raphael  29:48

No wheels.


Jessica St. Clair  29:50



June Diane Raphael  29:50

In the 20 in the 2010s and 2011 and 12 and 13 is to have a suitcase that no wheels attached if while checking was wild, so like I had always grown up thinking suitcases I’ve always been told they’re gonna get banged up. They’re gonna this and that you don’t buy nice suitcases.


Jessica St. Clair  30:11

No, you definitely do.


June Diane Raphael  30:12

That’s okay, well and then everything changed, I got that to me I got my name monograms on it my initials you know as Brooklyn Decker she’s a southern woman, they monogram fucking everything okay.


Jessica St. Clair  30:24

Why should she?


June Diane Raphael  30:25

And I always sort of looked down on that, and now you know, I’m putting my name on everything. I’ve gotten this far in my life, I like to see my name on things, thank you very much. […] Is my dad’s initials too. So I bought myself a to me roll on,  carry on. And now everything’s changed because I don’t want to check it so it’s not gonna get bumped and bruised.


Jessica St. Clair  30:49

And it’s cute.


June Diane Raphael  30:50

And I gotta tell you something Jess, feels don’t check.


Jessica St. Clair  30:55

Ah, so wonderful if that’s all that is achieved from this podcast.


June Diane Raphael  31:02

So we’re going to Europe and I said to Paul the other day, we ain’t check in two weeks.


Jessica St. Clair  31:08

Honey, I’ve been to I’ve been to London for four weeks I haven’t checked. This is beautiful, now I want to bring up a brand again we don’t work for them. I wish we did bayous b e i s luggage. What I am interested in purchasing is they have the luggage but the matching bag that you carry on with because where I struggle is I put it all in like a straw bag and everything’s falling out I want to match and I want to be that woman of significance and if you’re listening out there deep divers and you are her and you’re in a little matching set love for man when.


June Diane Raphael  31:49

I’ve got one baby.


Jessica St. Clair  31:51

You gotta matching that.


June Diane Raphael  31:52

I’ve gotten patches.


Jessica St. Clair  31:55

Now not only that, but she sits she sits through she, she passed to slot through and I that’s where I’m going and I’m going to be and for those of you listening if you have a bag of significance would love to see it and I’m also interested in the travel outfit of significance which I know is a big thing on you know on on all the instant the influencers but a little set you know that’s like a little and you wear your little sneakers with it like let’s bring our best selves to our travel game. My mother used to be in a crisp blazer and uh but you know she still is she doesn’t.


June Diane Raphael  32:36

It was up being for our parents generation to like dress up for flights now I like to be uber cozy.


Jessica St. Clair  32:42

And you should but that doesn’t mean we should sacrifice style. I agree we have to do we have to.


June Diane Raphael  32:51

Well what I like to travel look to be honest, is I like to be I like to do like super big sweatshirts and hoodies but like in a giant long coat and a big comfy hat and a giant scarf like real street wear.


Jessica St. Clair  33:12

That I wouldn’t normally run around in like giant sweatpants you know.


June Diane Raphael  33:17

Where I’m just like, it’s like seeing a bed queen size.


Jessica St. Clair  33:21

Or walking in a bed walking, walking in a bed.


June Diane Raphael  33:24

A walking bed through the airport. So that’s what I like and I feel most ready to attack whatever’s in front of me in that outfit.


June Diane Raphael  36:22

I’m really excited I went online, there’s someone I follow, there’s the tribal person I follow. And so a lot of these although I’ll be presenting this information as my own, and I won’t be crediting anyone else a lot know that a lot of my hacking tips are coming from other sources.


Jessica St. Clair  36:59

But it’s like when we would write a paper in college you know we’re bringing in and if you’re me, you’re kind of you know.


June Diane Raphael  37:05

Not all yet, are we not all in some ways an amalgamation of everyone we’ve ever run into.


Jessica St. Clair  37:12

With you I’m not footnoting every single conversation I’ve ever had.


June Diane Raphael  37:16

This is the tips I’m gonna give this will work.


Jessica St. Clair  37:19

I would love to.


June Diane Raphael  37:20

None of them are my own, I didn’t come up with any.


Jessica St. Clair  37:22

Course not but my friend Kristen is one of the world class packers and she does the thing where you have the colors the one accent color and two neutrals. Two neutrals and an accent and that is what you stick to because then everything is interchangeable and the one trip I did this was to the south of France god dammit did I look good because you can switch so she likes to do like a white a navy, papa pink, white Navy Papa blue. Okay, there’s a whole level we can drill down into, not to mention travel size toiletries. That’s a whole different area.


June Diane Raphael  38:05

So I unfortunately they haven’t arrived but I have just ordered one today I don’t know what’s happening on today’s podcast so I seriously, I seriously need to tell you one other thing that’s happened that’s so vague. Okay, so I’ve just ordered new compression cubes new like packing cubes new toiletry cases that are these like almost I can’t even describe the shape of they’re not any you would never look at them they’re like little stones on just a little school like they are just very appealing aesthetically and the colors are all muted very nice. And so that’s happening and I did a real I did a lot of work on Tiktok, looking at many different like travel influencers there’s a whole section of packing influencer.


June Diane Raphael  39:03

Packing porn it’s packing porn. I’m sorry to interrupt you but there is a dog behind you what the fuck is going on?


June Diane Raphael  39:10

Oh my god I forgot to tell you.


Jessica St. Clair  39:12

Is that yours?


June Diane Raphael  39:22

It’s a foster.


Jessica St. Clair  39:24



Jessica St. Clair  39:24

And I love him already in his gigantic […]


June Diane Raphael  39:28

He’s really special Jess […] I haven’t even had time to introduce you to him like I had to talk about confirmation texts and.


Jessica St. Clair  39:42

Get him up on your lap so I can see?


June Diane Raphael  39:46

Let me see what I can do here, hold on.


Jessica St. Clair  39:48

See a 150 pounds of.


June Diane Raphael  39:50

No he’s only 70 hey, bingo you gotta see is his eyes. Because is who he’s there’s gardeners outside. So he’s a little confused about what’s happening […] Gardener you think go.


Jessica St. Clair  40:06

So cute.


June Diane Raphael  40:07

He’s got one July and he’s got one brown.


Jessica St. Clair  40:10

Oh, god, he’s cute, all right. So we think maybe he’s a forever we don’t.


June Diane Raphael  40:14

So here’s the interesting thing, and I’m curious, like what how others feel about this. But so we fostered him through Angel City, Angel City pets. And it was really good because I had Paul go first, and so because it’s really like, first of all.


Jessica St. Clair  40:31

No, you can’t call.


June Diane Raphael  40:35

And also, like, I trust Paul is so in tune with animals, that I don’t really trust his and so he reads animals in a way that like, I don’t know how to yet I’m learning. And so we were like in between basketball games and a whole day of basketball tournaments. And I said, why don’t you go ahead, see and then if you think we should come meet him, we will. And so he’s just texted come. And I said, okay, great. And then we met him. I mean, he’s a doll, baby. He’s just a doll, and he’s a goof.


Jessica St. Clair  41:15

He’s a serious puppy, see, what you’re coming from is meatball energy, which was he was the sergeant he was doing his duty and but then puppy energy is funny, they bring their balls. They’re goofy, crazy people, and it’s fun. It’s fun I can’t wait.


June Diane Raphael  41:35

But yes, so he’d be here. We brought him home. What I really love about him even though he’s up, he’s only two we think. But I haven’t had the experience ever of walking a dog and enjoying that walk. Like, I never knew when he was going to plop and just not.


Jessica St. Clair  41:53

Yeah, and just stop, you can clip, and now.


June Diane Raphael  41:58

It was like mid street, he would decide to plop like as we’re crossing the street. There were a couple times where I would walk far with him. And then I’d have to call Paul and say I can’t move him you got to come pick us up.


Jessica St. Clair  42:14

That’s the boundaries.


June Diane Raphael  42:16

So and then and then the other foster we had who I would absolutely love to you remember of course the Foster who was in witness protection, who we did, you know, place with my friend who I was fostering her for, you know, blah, blah, blah. She was an amazing dog. And I was obsessed with her. But she pulled on the leash. And then we were like ready to really train her and stuff. So this is the first time where I’m like, this is a loose leash walk. […] I can’t wait. Very, very pleasant.


Jessica St. Clair  42:46

I can’t wait for Cookie to meet.


June Diane Raphael  42:48

To meet Bingo.


Jessica St. Clair  42:49

And I hope you keep that name because it’s outrageous.


June Diane Raphael  42:52

Is it you love it?


Jessica St. Clair  42:53

Bingo, yeah, this dog looks like the little rascals have this dog. And he’s from the 19 late 30s.


June Diane Raphael  43:00

Now I will say there is I am experiencing and I didn’t experience with our last Foster who was a pitbull, but she was she was smaller. I am seeing the prejudice.


Jessica St. Clair  43:14

Oh, yeah, people pulling their dogs closer.


June Diane Raphael  43:17

People walking across the street upon arrival, and I’m like, this is the most submissive dog like.


Jessica St. Clair  43:24

Pitzer not bred for that. That’s I don’t, they weren’t, that’s not what they were.


June Diane Raphael  43:29

I know.


Jessica St. Clair  43:30

I know.


June Diane Raphael  43:30

I love It’s really, I do too and it’s just really sad, I’m like, you don’t want to. And I mean, I get it me people have there and somebody maybe people have had a bad experience, and I understand. Some people are afraid of dogs, that’s totally understandable. But I’m like, wow.


Jessica St. Clair  43:49

No, but if you love dogs, you love pets, they’re the most loving, and they’re just the best, and their skulls are the best. There’s such big heads and I love them so much. I’m never not covered and pitbulls, and there’s so many up for adoption, because.


June Diane Raphael  44:07

Yeah, this guy was apparently surrendered, because the people he was in, you know, the people he was worth is the owner just had to move and they couldn’t find a place where they could house them.


Jessica St. Clair  44:21

And I’m so happy he’s there. I can’t wait, it’s like going to be all I can do not to come over.


June Diane Raphael  44:26

Okay, so let me tell you where I’m struggling with the kids is like I you know, and I don’t know if other people will feel as as fostering like, was their world. I did want to get to know him more, you know? And I’m like, I don’t want to say to the kids were adopting because they kept on using the term adopting. If they kept on telling us like you can adopt him, you can bring him back at any time and I’m like, I can’t tell my children who have many friends who are.


Jessica St. Clair  44:57



June Diane Raphael  44:58

I can’t use that word. Oh, that’s if there’s a chance we would come back here like that’s to the like, I that’s crazy.


Jessica St. Clair  45:08

No, no.


June Diane Raphael  45:08

I wish there was different language around that.


Jessica St. Clair  45:11

I think that’s absolutely right. There should be a complete change.


June Diane Raphael  45:15

A completely new word.


Jessica St. Clair  45:18

Yes, I agree.


June Diane Raphael  45:20

Adopted this dog […] dogs never leave it?


Jessica St. Clair  45:24

No, of course not. No, that’s your responsibility for life. But yeah, you don’t date you don’t go one on one date and marry. This is a 15 your relationship […]


June Diane Raphael  45:35

And I also just like, yeah, he’s younger, I want to just fully trust his energy and fully trust him around the kids. And so far, so good. But you know, I just, and also I said to them, it’s so beautiful, because once we take him out of the shelter, they get to bring they got a new spot for him there for someone else. You know, it really is quite beautiful thing to do. To foster, which I never thought I would do. It’s really quite beautiful.


Jessica St. Clair  46:11

Oh, it’s next level what people do for animals and what they do for us. And I bet you’ve already felt the, the kind of serotonin and oxytocin. It’s just even if in and who knows this thing goes forever, but but it’s there. It’s for you have a nine who can’t even handle a half a day of rain. Animals are like our livelihood. We need them, the only other person who I find is most intense like that is Uncle Josh, who has, you know, become persona non grata in his public workspace because he can’t stop getting down on the floor with people’s dogs while they’re in the middle of zoom calls.


June Diane Raphael  46:58

He’s now I’m excited for him.


Jessica St. Clair  47:00

Excited for Josh about.


June Diane Raphael  47:03

This is a big day for Josh.


Jessica St. Clair  47:06

Honestly, I couldn’t feel grieving than the loss of Nan and.


June Diane Raphael  47:10

I was in last Foster, he’s, I am too and it was too hard for me to honestly connect to Josh on down because I was like, I knew he was in love with her, and I knew he was in love with me ball and like, I couldn’t speak to him about them, because it was like I can’t with you, Josh.


Jessica St. Clair  47:27

Now we wasted 45 minutes of a conversation that we were having about Nan just last week. Over Nan and some of us, you know, when we break up with somebody, we don’t fully get over it till we fall in love again. And that’s the truth. You know, hey, I had one question for you. By best friend, Brandy had the most amazing thing that she would do when she would break up with somebody, she would immediately go back to all the spots that they used to go and reclaim them. Because she said, I’m not giving up a Greek restaurant that has the best to Ziqi just because I broke up with this Greek guy. And I wondered, do you when you broke up with someone, did you say this, because for me, it got to a certain point where whole sections of Manhattan were off limits?


June Diane Raphael  48:19



Jessica St. Clair  48:20

No? Same? Like, I was like, I think they’re moved down state. Yeah, down that street and also, like, it wasn’t enough that I broken up with that person, I wanted to think that they were in the witness protection program could never see them again or find that so I just found that I just wondered what you do, or you did it, but I know of that part of her.


June Diane Raphael  48:42

I think that’s that’s powerful. And I don’t I don’t have that in me. The good news is that everyone I dated seriously in New York lived in like, places I didn’t want to go again.


Jessica St. Clair  48:56

Yeah, yeah.


June Diane Raphael  48:58

So you know, I had our son like, yeah, Hell’s Kitchen, like just play something.


Jessica St. Clair  49:03

I wasn’t really interested in going back to so it was easier. You know, where I lived in the East Village the whole time so it’s like, I think that was very smart, what do they say like, don’t shit where you work, or I don’t know what that expression is eat, sorry, but like, it’s that same idea, like I can’t I don’t want to date someone who lives in my hood. Yeah, I think that was that’s smart. Yeah, I think that’s smart. But yeah, anyway, I love that. I love that about her I’m curious for the listeners, what they how they handle that. But I also think legging. I am so nostalgic that like it trip back to New York will wreck me because I’ll just remember every corner has a memory and every and I do think it’s important we revisit these special places so that we can have new memories.


June Diane Raphael  49:55

That’s right, and I will say Jess, so many places because, I’m always shocked that all of my the old haunting grout like they’re gone, they’re gone. Yeah so the restaurants are gone.


Jessica St. Clair  50:16

Yeah. Joe Junior’s where I used to have every single day.


June Diane Raphael  50:20

A three I can’t believe she’s done like they’re all gone.


Jessica St. Clair  50:24

I had a cheeseburger before my dinner at three o’clock.


June Diane Raphael  50:28

Oh, boy yeah, no joy every day.


Jessica St. Clair  50:31

I beat Jason, let’s talk into a cheeseburger, 3pm.


June Diane Raphael  50:35

That’s like how I you know, in high school, I had to bagels at about three o’clock and then started dinner at five to two butter poppyseed.


Jessica St. Clair  50:47

Oh, June.


June Diane Raphael  50:48

Snack that was like grabbing an apple or something. It’s like, no big deal, like these don’t penetrate.


Jessica St. Clair  50:55

It’s still for spread spread, why not? 3pm, why not?


June Diane Raphael  51:00

Well, Jess the sun is out. The rain is dawnting, and not only that, but here’s my lesson that I’m going to share, which is, you know, as basic as they come, but boy, is the air fresh and clear. It’s crisp outside. It’s like that rain has washed away quite a bit here in LA. I’m loving what we’re left with, so that’s the you know, that’s the silver lining.


Jessica St. Clair  51:32

That and for me. I’m smiling. I feel it. Even when I came at you at the beginning of this podcast screaming I think I could because I knew you had a lightness today, you didn’t penetrate?


Jessica St. Clair  51:49

Like I was watching, like an episode of Snapped. No, woman got a ride.


June Diane Raphael  51:49



June Diane Raphael  51:56

And women kill? Yeah.


June Diane Raphael  51:58

Don’t know why I’m smiling. But this is different. And I’m gonna keep going with this.


June Diane Raphael  52:06

That’s great.


June Diane Raphael  52:09

Might be that I just the absence of the stomach flu has made me feel alive, like you said, you have. So my friend pulmonary doctor, Dr. Kay Grossman, which is just was just staying with me to see your needs. And of course, after my long monologue about welcome baskets, unless.


Jessica St. Clair  52:31

You didn’t do it, you could do it.


June Diane Raphael  52:33

On and do it.  Yeah, you know, sometimes, like, I don’t know what that is about me where I’m like, I gotta get the information out and then to the people on share it, and then I’ll never do it.


Jessica St. Clair  52:46

Now I know, you’ve done our service. By talking and sitting down and talking about it, we don’t have to do it.


June Diane Raphael  52:55

Why don’t we have a seat Jess, literally just talk about how important this was and how special it was? And then it stopped. It’s like the cold plunge, you know? Is it sort of like, you know, the guy who ran a marathon to deliver a piece of information, and then he ran the first marathon and then died when he arrived?


Jessica St. Clair  53:18

Yeah, he died. So why should we do it? You know? Let him take that hit anyway.


June Diane Raphael  53:25

But also, I will tell you that Kate so I said to her. We were talking and change because she’s a pulmonary doctor, she I said, how’s the season bad? And she said very bad. So yeah, you know, just talking to Jess like, I think I was sick from Thanksgiving to, you know, first week of January. And she’s like, yeah, you were and I said, I gotta tell you, I’ve ended up being on I was on the inhaler with us, blazer, splicer, whatever they’re called, and I had to take steroid. And she served me, and I don’t think this is the case for you Jess, but she said, I don’t know have any other Deep Divers to have this but she said, you can never forget that you’re an asthmatic. She’s like an I know you want to think you grew out of it. But she didn’t but you can do those courses of antibiotics. Go ahead and take them in there, they’ll take down the inflammation a bit, which they did, she’s like, but they ain’t gonna kick it until you get on that fucking inhaler. And I said a kid, I was again attached to this story of like, that was me, and she said, let me tell you something. It comes back as an adult.


Jessica St. Clair  54:48

And she did this she’s done the research.


June Diane Raphael  54:51

On those and she’s like the number of patients I have who said I’ve been sick for a while, I can’t can’t get rid of this cough and I can’t I don’t know why it’s just like not going away. She says or do you have you have asthma? Here or use this inhaler. Use this one that’s got a steroid in it. Are you better? Yes immediately, immediately.


Jessica St. Clair  55:11

Guys, I think we have to accept certain things.


June Diane Raphael  55:14

So again, yeah, transformations they keep calming and so I guess now I have to I have adult asthma.


Jessica St. Clair  55:25

Good to know.


June Diane Raphael  55:26

It’s great, it was actually great information.


Jessica St. Clair  55:29



June Diane Raphael  55:30

And I’m like, get you out of it, get you out of some things you know, can’t come can’t come to that picnic. I have my ass was flaring up it’s just nice to have more excuses. Listen, to get out of CDC just came out with a new guideline about how they’re gonna like you know, they’re not gonna do five days of quarantine anymore.


Jessica St. Clair  55:49

Hooh, why?


June Diane Raphael  55:50

Yeah, it’s gonna be symptom based but basically like that’s over with and I was sad. Oh my gosh, nice to know you gotta be home. Get a lot organizing done. TV […] during this five days, so they’re out, I was sad in a way. Never let COVID go.


Jessica St. Clair  56:10

Yeah, or you know what, I’ll be sad to let go. Whenever I realized I’ve dropped the ball on something with like, I realized last night like, oh, there were these vocab words. You’re supposed to be studying every night. Like it’s, you know, it’s almost March haven’t done it, uou know, we haven’t been going gangbusters on those. I say to myself, the gaps the COVID left in these poor children’s education.


June Diane Raphael  56:36

So they are gap.


Jessica St. Clair  56:41

Like, what point can you do it? Are we far enough away from COVID? That we can’t say like, the reading the spelling?


June Diane Raphael  56:51

Who knows what Jess, I feel that about like, I also feel that about like, being you know, postpartum I’m like, am I still postpartum? Oh my god, you’re on the microphone, Bingo. Children are, you know, my child is seven and nine and I’m like.


Jessica St. Clair  57:06

I still feel postpartum. I really do, like, Please treat me as such I am very much so postpartum.


June Diane Raphael  57:14

Deep Divers. thank you so much for joining us this week, Jess I love.


Jessica St. Clair  57:19

I love our time together as always.


June Diane Raphael  57:22

I know you know, at some point, maybe these podcasts get a little more focused, or maybe they get looser.


Jessica St. Clair  57:28

I chose and experiment.


June Diane Raphael  57:31

I love you so much, Jess. Deep Divers we will see you next week a quick plug for the Deep Dive Academy, if you use code listener, we are running a very hot discount, which is 25% off we’ve never done a discount like that. But we got a lot of great stuff coming out and.


Jessica St. Clair  57:51

We’re doing something interesting, which is you and I are becoming more of the experts.


June Diane Raphael  57:57

And that’s gonna be interesting. It’s gonna be different but a lot of like video content, you’re just gonna love it. Code listener at checkout, gets you 25% off all tuition prices. Also I am going on tour with head with This Get Made for any of our Deep Dive UK listeners. Head to our website. for tickets, anything else, Jessica?


Jessica St. Clair  58:23

No, that’s it, that’s all she wrote.


June Diane Raphael  58:25

All right, if you haven’t seen scrambled yet, it’s in the theaters or it’s coming out on VOD. It’s a wonderful movie that I highly recommend. And Jessica, I’ll see you next week, see you later guys.


Jessica St. Clair  59:16

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