Total Eclipse of the Heart to Heart

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Husbands are lurking, per USUAL, and the gals wonder if there might be a witch hunt brewing! Do you know what kind of partner you have? Are they an Elevator, Brother, Ally or… Stranger? Then, Jess shocks June with how much she HATES space and that she might be a flat-earther. Remember, Deep Divers, when the aliens come, it will be JUNE who invited them.



June Diane Raphael, Jessica St. Clair

Jessica St. Clair  02:16

Hi, I’m Jessica St. Clair.


June Diane Raphael  02:18

And I’m June Diane Raphael.


Jessica St. Clair  02:20

And this is The Deep Dive. We’re about to do what women have done for centuries we’re crowding around the fire with our generous hunches. We got babies hanging off our tits, and we’re gonna share with you our fears.


June Diane Raphael  02:33

That’s right.


Jessica St. Clair  02:34

Our joy, our tips on how to stay alive.


June Diane Raphael  02:38

Now Jess, we’re heating a call that no one has made.


Jessica St. Clair  02:42

Not a soul, but you’re invited to listen. Absolutely, because we make one promise and one promise only we will not Google a thing because frankly, we’re too damn tired. Please get ready to go on The Deep Dive.


June Diane Raphael  03:02

Hi, Jessica.


Jessica St. Clair  03:03

Hello, June, hello, my friend. I’m so happy to see you. I I have to tell you, first of all, lots of feedback coming in about our Titanic episode.


June Diane Raphael  03:16



Jessica St. Clair  03:17

Okay, I haven’t been able to check, what are they? What are the people saying? And of course, we’re going to see our deep divers in the academy tomorrow so we will ever have had this discussion on our after show the deeper dive but I but already I’m getting texts, you know, from some of our deep divers who have opinions thoughts want to know, you know, it’s it’s about the dead people just about the ship in particular. And just what happened and why are you an expert? Why are you who the History Channel is going to contest.


June Diane Raphael  03:58

But can I tell you something, though, Jess, I took a film.


Jessica St. Clair  04:02

Is that Paul?  Paul.


June Diane Raphael  04:04

Thank you so much. He just dropped off a coffee. By the way. He went out for coffee bean like an hour ago and didn’t get hooked so long.


Jessica St. Clair  04:14

Last time and Paul, who know we still don’t.


June Diane Raphael  04:18

Still never know what happened to him that one afternoon. Never ask you back. […]


Jessica St. Clair  04:24

Were you? Paul?


June Diane Raphael  04:27

He doesn’t hear you […]


Jessica St. Clair  04:31

Paul where?


June Diane Raphael  04:32

And I like this way of seeing you Jess, because I can’t hear a word you’re saying and.


Jessica St. Clair  04:35

Isn’t that the patriarchy?


June Diane Raphael  04:37



Jessica St. Clair  04:39

You know, I my friend brandies wall is a needlepoint that says my favorite season is the fall of the patriarchy.


June Diane Raphael  04:47

Well, yeah, he says things about you that are so violent to your friends, that’s why.


Jessica St. Clair  05:01

I know Polly is my brother, that’s why it’s like some. Some people have husbands that are like, you know, there’s such a different class of husbands with friends. There are husbands that are like, brothers, that are husbands who are like friends, there are husbands who are like, strangers, that strangers that you every time you meet a stranger than a stranger. Like every time you meet them, you’re less than a stranger. You’re almost shocked when your friend calls and has a different last name. Really? Who is that? Like? You’ve never accepted them. They don’t know who they are. Say honestly don’t know that you have never and will never accept their presence.


June Diane Raphael  05:43

And you know, totally honest, I have a healthy amount of fear for all of my friends, husbands. I do too.


Jessica St. Clair  05:53

Yeah, I was gonna say except for no fear, like, even my worry down. I worry like one day keep you away from me. And that’s the fear that they’ll say like no more with that one. Yeah, well, you will that are underneath. There’s some shadow work being done with your girlfriends husbands because I’m like.


June Diane Raphael  06:13

There is a part of me that Jess, is a little bit scared of them.


Jessica St. Clair  06:20

Well, I think that goes back to the witch hunts. Not to make this a historical recap. I’m serious.


June Diane Raphael  06:30



Jessica St. Clair  06:30

I don’t let hear me out, hear.


June Diane Raphael  06:32

I’m listening.


June Diane Raphael  06:34

That yeah, that they’re gonna say, you know, we hear the rumblings we know you all are talking. And we’re putting an end to it. You know, it’s funny, though.


Jessica St. Clair  06:34

You know, I yes, we’re scared, they’re gonna say we’re coven of witches and burn us all. I think you’re right, I think you’re absolutely right like, they’re worried about us together.


Jessica St. Clair  06:50

There are some husbands like, I will say with with cases husband, David, like, what I appreciate about him and I don’t go to every husband for this.


June Diane Raphael  07:10



Jessica St. Clair  07:10

David, I can turn to and say, let’s turn up. Let’s, let’s you know, not a lot of husbands are like gonna be willing to go take the party to a next look at who he is. Well, that’s it, thank you, David like I can always turn to him to say, should we go? Should we find another spot? Are we doing more drugs like what he will be is? He is an elevator for it all there.


June Diane Raphael  07:41



Jessica St. Clair  07:42

Am I like, that’s he’s a good time husband. And I appreciate that about there, that’s a one a Tervis husband, a Tervis tumbler husband. And I’d love to know from our deep divers. What kind of husband do you think you have? And what kind of husband does your best friend that you have? Because I this is another type of husband that I love. I love an ally husband, they’re our husbands you can text and go, is she off the deep? Like, give me a holler? Or we could go like, hey, do I need to show up? Or where are we? I fell in love and ally.


June Diane Raphael  08:21

I feel like I could do that with Jan, for sure. You know, I feel like I could sidestep you quite easily.


Jessica St. Clair  08:29

Dan accepts very few into the inner.


June Diane Raphael  08:36

I know.


Jessica St. Clair  08:37

And those are those are people that will never be cast out even if their behavior becomes very poor.


June Diane Raphael  08:43



Jessica St. Clair  08:44

And that’s and those are far and few between the you cannot cross Dan, he again he should he’s a Sagittarius but and that makes a lot of sense but I don’t know what his rising is and I wouldn’t be afraid of it’s a Scorpio because he, you can’t cut him because he will cut you out forever. That will be it.


June Diane Raphael  09:03

I understand, and I’m a Scorpio rising so boy.


Jessica St. Clair  09:07



June Diane Raphael  09:08

No, I’ll tell you I do I do have another interesting like counterpoint to this because all of my girlfriend’s from home. You know my main Chris.


Jessica St. Clair  09:19

The original coven.


June Diane Raphael  09:21

Yeah, my original coven is all lesbians. So I have the wives.


Jessica St. Clair  09:26

Okay, now tell me about that. Tell me about that.


June Diane Raphael  09:30

Don’t have fear of them. […] had allies.


June Diane Raphael  09:36

They are just their friends. They’re you know what I appreciate is that they respect also like as much as we’re friends. I’m gonna take my group my OGs, my girlfriends their wives away for a weekend every year and actually it’s probably five days. You know at the end of September like that’s going to happen. They want to be invited. And they respect that because they have their friends or they don’t. I mean, it depends. I don’t know it’s whatever, but I feel very it’s very different. I’m trying to get as close as I can. And also then I have some gay men in my lives in my life who, whose husbands I’m trying all I want us to get closer to.


June Diane Raphael  10:25



Jessica St. Clair  10:26

But the heterosexual marriages they just carry a different vibration and we are all holding up our end of like those boundaries.


June Diane Raphael  10:37



Jessica St. Clair  10:38

And I and I’ve certainly crossed I’ve certainly crossed some. I’ve crossed the Rubicon in my day I have I have when I when I can get very protective if I feel pissed off or like I have definitely taken to text when I should not have.


June Diane Raphael  10:58

To texting who?


Jessica St. Clair  11:02

I have side texted a husband.


June Diane Raphael  11:05

Oh, Jessica, do like what?


Jessica St. Clair  11:12

I think they need and I think they need it and get on board. I can be very if if a if a girlfriend is in distress, there’s like nobody I won’t cut down and I’m a people pleaser, but not in that case. I will grab you by the scruff of your neck and I don’t give a fuck deep divers if you hear a jingle jangle by the way that’s just that’s just bingo in his I don’t know if he has jewelry on or what.


June Diane Raphael  11:43

His little he has his little Angel City Pitbull which is the rescue organization I got him from.


Jessica St. Clair  11:50

Yeah, he’s got his little jingle jangle on.


June Diane Raphael  11:52

Okay, a little Angel City pit.


Jessica St. Clair  11:57

I’d love to see bingo in in some bling is what I would say I would love to leave him in a rhinestone collar or something. Anyway, so yes, shout out to deep diver husbands would love to hear you know, what kind of husband you have an if there are or partner. And what what the categories are because I don’t the ally, the friend the elevator, stranger.


June Diane Raphael  12:26

The stranger.


Jessica St. Clair  12:26

And the stranger.


June Diane Raphael  12:30

The stranger again.


Jessica St. Clair  12:31

Who’s more of a stranger than actual strangers, you know, who’s unknowable. And, and, you know, I think there’s something to be said for just like, keeping them at bay, I know that […].


June Diane Raphael  12:52

Yeah, I mean, I know Paul, want like whenever I have girlfriends over like, he wants to get in there. And I let him in. I’ve already let all the boundaries down with Paul. But I also know why it’s like, I get that he wants to gab and he wants to hear the gossip and he wants to be a part of the gals.


Jessica St. Clair  13:13

Because he is such a feminine. He’s a feminine and also very masculine energy about him. He’s very, he’s like,no gender. There’s something about Paul that’s very strange, because it is very hot, if you want to watch Paul, I find Paul very, very attractive and that he’s when you see him with his cords and his dongles and his and his showman like he is he is Hugh Jackman in the great Chauvet or whatever that fucking shit is. He is, he is my father can’t stop talking about Paul and my mother. Ah, he’s just he’s an entertainer, they keep saying and it’s true. But at the same time, he wants to be invited to girls weekend, so I don’t really know where to place him. There’s not a spot. It’s not on a linear scale. But where is Dan?


June Diane Raphael  14:07

He’s full blooded American man.


Jessica St. Clair  14:10

But also writes poetry? I don’t know where our men are. That’s […] if a girl’s nights happening, Dan is in another state. He doesn’t want to be anywhere near it.


June Diane Raphael  14:21

For example, you know, of course, I’m going to Miami this weekend, you won’t be there, Jessica. But, but I know there’s a part of Paul that wants to be there. And I’ve said to him, so I have had to have some real talks with him about like all of my girls trips, because of course, I’m going away the next weekend as well. But I do make a point. I feel like time it’s very hard during the week. It’s very hard to maintain and sort of invest in all of the relationships you want. One of the ways I do it is to really carve out that time where I can like be with my friends. but not as a mother not as a as a professional worker, but you are a friend and just a girlfriend like call it like going back to when we didn’t have partners. And it was like just us. And I have to say I really like, I really was gonna say,


Jessica St. Clair  15:26

Yeah so so there’s time invested […] Deep divers what’s happening right now as she’s putting together clues like you would in a CSI Miami.


June Diane Raphael  15:44

I got my computer on, I gotta put my computer on Do Not Disturb because something just came in that fucking, you know, and I hate that.


Jessica St. Clair  15:55

Well, I don’t even know how to put my computer on.


June Diane Raphael  15:59

Because I really had something important to say about female friendship. Oh, this is what it was. I really feel like for me, you know, those times that time investment I make, which is often taking myself away from my family for the weekend, is also so nourishing to me, and it fills my cup up 100% It fills me and reminds me of who the fuck I am. And I need that to balance the rest of my life where I sit in life and other spaces. And so they’re really important to me, and I do them. You know, I do, and you do sometimes back to back about it.


Jessica St. Clair  16:49

Well, um, you know, Bibi was upset that I had to leave so suddenly to go be with my friend. And she had she had real feelings about it and spoke about them to me. And she said, I felt like you were making your friend more important than us. And I said, I completely understand I get why I get why it felt that way because I suddenly disappeared and like she didn’t have me for the weekend, and but I said but you will understand when you get older, why your friends or your family now she doesn’t have that yet.


June Diane Raphael  17:28

Because an or stop.


Jessica St. Clair  17:30

They don’t, at fourth grade, you probably haven’t found your forever friend, maybe you have maybe there are people that have had their best friends since kindergarten. I didn’t I didn’t meet mine until I was 16, really, my brandy I met when I was 16, so I said I said when I think when you meet your forever friend, you’re going to understand that, you know. And and I think it’s important we model it. I think it’s so important members, your mother out in the car with all of those girlfriends, my mother, my mother, who literally is the first person to drop off dinner just to one of her girlfriends who needs are like that is how we learned.


June Diane Raphael  20:51

And just so you don’t have it makes you feel any better. Like those accusations. accuse your friends are more important than me. Like they are leveled at me all the time. I’m okay, with them. I said I’m sorry you feel that way, that that’s your feeling, that’s not mine, but I’m sorry that that’s you feel that way. I get that all the fucking time. And I know how much I show up for my kids. I know like I love family, like so I’m not I really, I and I think for me, it’s almost easier Jess, because it’s told to me all the time, so I had like a maening, it doesn’t hold any meaning.


Jessica St. Clair  23:04

This was the first time and it’s funny because she like didn’t have the problem, when I went to Miami. It she was like because that was fun. She was like because we were picking out outfits and you were going for fun. This one this trip didn’t seem very fun. I was like, no, it was the opposite of fun. It was actually it was which but like, both trips are important equally as fun.


June Diane Raphael  23:27

I mean. I do think also the reason why Paul is so and and you know, we’ve talked about husbands lurking but I know Paul lurks on my you know, and even today, he said so we’re gonna go to clippers game on Sunday. I got to sell tickets to family and I said babe, did you check the cow?


Jessica St. Clair  23:45

No, never.


June Diane Raphael  23:46

Did you check the cow? He was up there. You’re gonna be back at 10am I said 10 p 10 […]


Jessica St. Clair  23:55

You got to do the parade […] pride parade.


Jessica St. Clair  24:00

You’re going to Grand Marshal I have to be there […] He’s a Friday morning you’re shaking the first way that no come about till Sunday night I said absolutely […] Tell your dog to you know take these problems to the cow and forgive them out. Sorry all of this said I really do need I know I just came back from a quote unquote vacation but I need a break like yesterday. I was supposed to actually have a couple of friends over last night and I had to cancel last min. And boy were they understanding because I just in this is what I love about women. This is this is what I love about being a grown ass woman. As I said guys just got into a fight with my husband. I am so fuck being overwhelmed. And I am exhausted and I Michelle.


Jessica St. Clair  25:06

Yeah, and sometimes that means you want to see your friends. And sometimes it means I gotta shut down and go to bed or.


June Diane Raphael  25:13

The only thing I can want to do right now is get in the bed and cry. And why did they say do just that. Do just that. That’s what I mean about anticipating needs, they just get it. And I actually yeah, and I’m like, this is the freedom of being an adult woman is just like, you know, every person’s been there. You know, every person’s just been in, you know, an argument with their husband or wife or whatever, and they just are upset and they need to shut down. I genuinely though Jess, wonder it’s such a tough day yesterday that I was like, em I know everybody’s saying like, oh, you can’t get sick from looking at the sun and the Eclipse with your glasses, but I’m like, you something.


Jessica St. Clair  26:03

Changed you? What are you a druid? Last time there was this.


June Diane Raphael  26:09

I felt so crazy yesterday.


Jessica St. Clair  26:12

That’s fucking not true. […] This is fucking stupid.


June Diane Raphael  26:24

Like, I don’t feel right. I don’t feel I felt like like, like a little bit of a vampire and a little bit of a werewolf and like something was so unsettled and me yesterday.


Jessica St. Clair  26:39

Well, me too, but it ain’t the Eclipse I wish we could wave it that’ll be the first thing that’s gonna be the first person I know is blamed their dysregulation on the Eclipse. Listen, we’re on lunar cycles. You know how much my hormones fuckin throw me off balance.  Now, this is what I will tell you, I’m so sorry, Deep divers is a fucking leaf blower out. And I almost want to post the series of texts that I have sent to my husband who does deal with the landscaping, saying I need them moved off this time, and yet.


June Diane Raphael  27:11

There they aren’t.


Jessica St. Clair  27:12

They’re still there, yeah, it’s like this information is somehow not getting across. Well, it’s not checking the cow. We know that. Now the last time there was an eclipse of some sort that I remember. I was 23, and my parents, we went on a trip to England. And it was a nightmare because I showed up at the airport without a passport that was active. And my father left me alone at the airport and went to England without me. And so I had to come later. And when I came, my dad was so pissed off because he like, I don’t know, he was like, I hate England, the Irish kept. They kept the Irish down. I know. He’s having a moment. And he said we’re leaving early. […] I don’t know he had, he was pissed off about the house swap we did. Anyway, we ended up going to bath which is a beautiful city. You know, that’s where like they film a lot of the Regency, you know, costume dramas. And anyway, and we had a lovely day and there was an eclipse and I said we’re very close to Stonehenge. I think we should go, and my dad just kept saying absolutely not the Druids. There’s gonna be I feel it was there’s gonna be some dumb shit going on. And Stonehedge I don’t want to be a part of it. And most of it was like, I don’t want to be stuck in druid traffic, but he kept the druid the druids like a dad? What are you talking about? He was so worried, and so we now.


June Diane Raphael  28:36

I understand that. Jess, I understand this. And let me just tell you, here’s the thing about what happened. Here’s the thing.


Jessica St. Clair  28:48

To do, like sacrifice a squirrel. Like what did he think the druids who are the druids they’re gone? They’re dead. But I want to see people with horns on and fucking.


June Diane Raphael  28:59



Jessica St. Clair  29:00

We’re weak.


June Diane Raphael  29:00

Here’s the thing.


Jessica St. Clair  29:02

Cults I don’t know why he was so afraid about we got to have him on and ask him.


June Diane Raphael  29:07

Here’s the thing, Jess the difference rate is like what happened? Yes, or two days ago now was not just like an eclipse. This is a fucking Total Eclipse.


Jessica St. Clair  29:18

Do you know I didn’t care.


June Diane Raphael  29:20

Jessica are someone who purports to be so connected to the app like to the other side and taking this sign and zine and like, literally, there’s birds and winged creatures into you like the major the major sort of thing that’s happening that keeps us you know, from floating into the universe, the sun and the moon and like, one cares about Faison.


Jessica St. Clair  29:50

I don’t think I’ve been clear enough to you. I don’t care about space I was on to space shows the most expensive space shows in the history of television and any time they talked about space, I was like, oh, who cares? Who cares about space? Who cares of how close we are to the sun? Who cares? Who’s fucking each other on this ship? That’s all I care about. I don’t care about space. I thought that the moon was a planet until very recently. I’m a flat earther.


June Diane Raphael  30:25

Maybe it sounds like you are because actually, like, I feel like what I can draw a direct line to is when the US government, I don’t know what’s up, like as but when we started, like, when we stopped space exploration, as well as an American people good to me that signals like the end of a culture that we said, no, we know enough, we’re good, we’re good.


Jessica St. Clair  30:51

That’s me.


June Diane Raphael  30:52

That to me was so distressed is so distressing, that we don’t really really fund exploration that so much of it is privatized, now, I’m like, that says so much about who we’ve decided we are both me and you. Let’s focus on what’s happening. Now, what Jessica, what I’m saying is like exploring boundaries, doing some edge work, and yet you’re unwilling to explore like the main boundary we have, which is space.


Jessica St. Clair  31:28

I just don’t.


June Diane Raphael  31:30

By the way, I think we’re even we’re not talking about us correctly. Like the eclipse in the moon. That’s not considered space.


Jessica St. Clair  31:38

You know what I thought even crazier.


June Diane Raphael  31:40

I don’t know. Some of the closest star I don’t know. But like, I star, the sun, the sun? Yes, it is honey and you know, actually, it will eventually burn out.


Jessica St. Clair  31:56

Yeah, but not in my lifetime.


June Diane Raphael  31:58

No, but I think it is something to just like, can you think about these things for a second?


Jessica St. Clair  32:03

No, and I refuse, there is no room. I’m so overwhelmed, who can cause time to think about I’m not Jodie Foster. You know, listen, I’m not interested in Aliens or anything.


June Diane Raphael  32:15

You’re not interested in Aliens.


Jessica St. Clair  32:17

You know, we have somebody. There’s somebody that we know tangentially who believes that aliens are walking amongst us. Oh, well, they’re nice people. And, you know, they said it quite odd. Like, just like, yeah, that’s what, that’s what we think. Maybe we’re all aliens. And Dan told me about the clockwork elves. You know, the people that when people when they do acid, and you know, ayahuasca and all this crazy shit, a lot of times they see these little men who are running our world behind the scenes, they call them the clockwork elves. And like, everyone sees them. Like in another dimension, they’re like, oh, it’s a little while you work did it? Doo doo doo. You know? And again, I don’t know if we were talking about hobbits or what. Why does every culture have a little person you know, have these tiny people you know that these magical creatures and it could be because sometimes we peek behind the veil and they’re like fucking people behind the veil. I don’t know. Listen, I don’t care. I don’t care about space, and when here’s the truth. This is the truth. I saw these people my brother was one of them. My brother traveled to Burlington Vermont from Santa Cruz, California to see the Eclipse. Okay, he loves space, yes. And apparently was amazing. I thought it was amazing. I saw the videos as a people watching it. And I thought they’ve got to pretend they’re this excited about it because they made all this trip all the way out there, what about it is fake news you know?


June Diane Raphael  34:16

It was no I watched it in a strange place. We’re surgeon’s office and Santa Monica. […] okay, we were around the corner from who could have why why other I could have borrowed I actually like I actually considered texting you, but I didn’t. But I was waiting, waiting in the office. And then and then I thought, oh my god, it’s happening now and I don’t know my glasses. My eclipse glasses. And then this nurse came running in and said, here’s some glasses. You got to take a look. And I put them off and it was when I oh, I should have done it.


Jessica St. Clair  34:58

Now. I care, now I’ve gone back act of caring and feeling badly. I didn’t have my shit together enough to have the glasses, you know, you know, listen, it was just it was just in case he made me laugh because she was like she was really distressed by the phrase The Path of Totality. Texting with her reserve friends and she was like, everybody was talking about like, oh, do you have the glasses? I think you can get them at the library, we don’t have it. She was like, I cannot hear the totality. Cuz she’s like, what the what are they not telling us? Maybe the end of the world, as we knew it. Imagine if you were a druid, and the fucking sky went black for however many minutes like that would be an I get it. If you’re a druid I get why that’s exciting. But to me, I’m like, all right, yeah, we know what’s happening, and, you know.


June Diane Raphael  35:58

It’s true, but to have the moon go directly in front of the sun like that. I guess I don’t know what an eclipse even is and I can’t get the energy to.


Jessica St. Clair  36:13

I don’t understand basics, you know. And I just, maybe there’s some other deep divers out there who are who are flat earthers like I am I can’t take it in. If you try to lead Amelie, here’s the sun, right? And then like carrying the earth, and like we’re going around, but also like we’re going around this way, but we’re also rotated. That’s the part that really gets me. I wouldn’t if you I’m like the remember when Jimmy Kimmel would go out and talk to people, Americans that are so stupid and they don’t know what that’s like if you asked me that I could not have delivered you that probably just sicko. Now why did the? I mean maybe, but why did the moon go in front? This is so stupid. I can’t, people are going to the moon. Okay, so oh my god. So the sun is actually rotating as well. But like, let’s just leave let’s let’s not worry. Because I think more importantly, and I can’t believe I’m an expert on this right now. But more importantly, the earth like we’re always rotating and we rotate on a 24 hour cycle. I mean, sometimes there have been many times in my life where I’ve I have enjoyed lying down on the earth. I’m talking, you know, there’s people who don’t wear shoes for this very reason.


June Diane Raphael  37:37



Jessica St. Clair  37:38

Getting on Earth getting on grass, the magnetic charge. And all that’s in here looking about how we’re moving. You know, last week, so so it takes 24 hours for earth to make that complete rotation on the access we’re on.


June Diane Raphael  37:58

Sure, sure.


Jessica St. Clair  38:02

But we’re also rotating around the sun and then the moon is rotating around us.


Jessica St. Clair  39:26

So we’re rotating and revolving around the sun. That’s our orbit. And that’s why we say takes 365 days so that’s the year. I have druid level understanding of what.


June Diane Raphael  41:47



Jessica St. Clair  41:49

I just came up with 365 like number. No, I’m not joking. I thought that was like an arbitrary situations. Like Jake’s like Jake Cornell’s calendar well, I didn’t say I was an expert in fucking Vegas. I’m an expert in small talk. And I gotta tell you, I stayed away from a clip small talk. Because I knew that was dangerous territory for me.


June Diane Raphael  42:28

How could you you must have just gone mute. For a whole like week. I mean, it’s all stayed inside talking.


Jessica St. Clair  42:35

I stayed inside, that’s the only good thing about the eclipse that had people small talking to each other about it great, but not to me. I stayed away from that. Alright, June, I’m gonna I’m gonna make a real hard pivot. For someone who’s like talking about astrology. Like this is what looking at the looking at the stars and how they shifted like these are all of the things is why we understand seasons, and it’s all because of what I guess understand.


June Diane Raphael  43:02

Someone else’s business.


Jessica St. Clair  43:03

Leave that to the professionals. […] by the way, this is so perfect that we’re doing this right now. Guys, the good people over at Exploding Kittens sent me and June, several copies of poetry for Neanderthals. And I thought it might be fun, because I know I’ve been telling you guys I love this and this makes a lot of sense now this is all kind of coming together for me. Why this game speaks to me. Because we wanted to for those of you who haven’t taken the plunge and gotten it I want to show you how fucking fun it is, and actually June hasn’t played it yet. So this will be really fun, we’re gonna play a little bit on on the show. This one’s Oh, you did a fucking ball. And also something we’re going to be working on in the academy is game night study the study of game nights and hosting them and and also yeah, brings back that kind of key party vibe. You know, we’re we’re having couples over and who knows. Starts off with spades, but who knows where it ends? Listen, I also like.


June Diane Raphael  44:21

As much as we’re into buckets, like I also want to learn how to play bridge. Sure, and like and like Mahjong would a great season for the end of Asia learn about […]. And those sets the sets look so beautiful […] yeah, okay.


Jessica St. Clair  44:38

Anyway to take me through this just because I actually don’t remember how to play. So here’s the deal, we’re gonna play like a very like a travel version of it that I know is kind of like off label but I don’t always have the board with me. But what I did do was bring these cards with me on a trip we took and it was really fun to play at the table as well but they when you get thing, there’s a board and there’s scoring and everything. But basically, there are two. There’s cards and they have two words. So the the number one word was I’m going to do as example bathroom. And then number, the second word is public bathroom. So you get, you get one point for the bath for getting people to, to, to guess bathroom. And then you get, I think, two points or three points for public bathroom, okay. And the way you play it is that you can only describe it in one syllable words, okay? And if you say more than one syllable, the partner next to you can hit you on the head with an inflatable club.


June Diane Raphael  45:44

Just so you know, Jess, I have played with the bat before and I’m just going to like pretend and maybe I’ll just say bad, great. I’m going to pretend because hitting someone with this inflatable club. When I say it’s satisfying. I mean, and I you know, I gave my kids a good bonk on my head.


Jessica St. Clair  46:05

Yeah, yeah, it feels really good. He please God is really good. And you really you can’t hit someone too hard with it. Really? I mean, the you can give it the great news. Okay, so June, I’m going to do one for you. Okay, and there’s a timer here. And I’m going to try to get as many through as I can, okay, all right.


June Diane Raphael  46:26



Jessica St. Clair  46:28

And I’m guessing the word you’re gonna get the word and I’m gonna give you the clues, okay. First one, okay. You sit in it.


June Diane Raphael  46:37



Jessica St. Clair  46:38

Yes, second one, you old, old man. Old man rock. Oh, no, I just fucked it up because it’s rocking chair. Okay, I fucked I went up, okay, moving on, okay. Hay, I used with hay. I used to throw hay.


June Diane Raphael  47:05

Wagon, I a fork.


Jessica St. Clair  47:07

Yes, that’s the second one. So first, so I throw ball in game, I.


June Diane Raphael  47:17

Pitcher? Pitch fork? To pitch for pitch.


Jessica St. Clair  47:20

And then I throw I throw. I throw pitch.


June Diane Raphael  47:27

Pitch, okay, so pitch was the first one pitch work and second one. Okay, fuck.


Jessica St. Clair  47:32

I not, I said sign to friend, I am. I […] no, I am not here. I am not.


June Diane Raphael  47:50



Jessica St. Clair  47:50

Take breath, I am.


June Diane Raphael  47:53



Jessica St. Clair  47:53

Yes go, okay, dead is the first one and then I step on scale, I am.


June Diane Raphael  48:02



Jessica St. Clair  48:02

Yes, okay, I I eat this round pie. I eat this round pie with […] I eat this round pie, and I. It is what is round. It is a pizza of it. Pizza.


June Diane Raphael  48:58

[…]? Box?


Jessica St. Clair  49:01

Oh, oh, it can be sweet.


June Diane Raphael  49:07

It’s a pie.


Jessica St. Clair  49:08

Yes, time out. You said did […] Okay, all right. Okay, am I doing and I’m gonna do the orange ones. Okay, okay. No, you’re gonna do both. You’re gonna do both. You have to do first to send the first one and then give me the second one. Okay, ready? And go.


June Diane Raphael  49:31

Check the score. I know what tell you news.


Jessica St. Clair  49:44



June Diane Raphael  49:45

What? What is this day?


Jessica St. Clair  49:52

Calendar, check the calendar.


June Diane Raphael  49:59

Jess, no care about moon.


Jessica St. Clair  50:06

Calendar, what?


June Diane Raphael  50:09

Moon star.


Jessica St. Clair  50:11

Calendar space? Just calendar planet.


June Diane Raphael  50:16

Word for moon is rock? For moon.


Jessica St. Clair  50:29

It’s not a planet don’t do this to me, June. I don’t know why you can move on if you can’t do.


June Diane Raphael  50:38

You’re almost out of time a a nut man is called.


Jessica St. Clair  50:48

Ball, calendar ball?


June Diane Raphael  50:51

Craze as a fox.


Jessica St. Clair  51:01

We’re out of time.


June Diane Raphael  51:03

Lunar calendar.


Jessica St. Clair  51:05

Oh, wow.


June Diane Raphael  51:09

They’re calendar.


Jessica St. Clair  51:10

That’s a hard one that people like me. Wow, maybe the other side wants me to communicate more. Anyway, guys so that is just a little now. I don’t know why it’s so fun. To hear your friends struggle. Now your caveman sounded like they were gasping for breath.


June Diane Raphael  51:35

Like why you’re struggling to make words.


Jessica St. Clair  51:38

And I don’t know why, because mine was very like, no, it was very like Jade the wind.


June Diane Raphael  51:46

But it didn’t. But you have to remember if the strange thing in the magic of this game is that it’s not asking you to do a Neanderthal voice, nobody says do that. It just you do it. If you cannot it you cannot it not hear it?


Jessica St. Clair  52:06

Oh my God.


June Diane Raphael  52:08

Oh my God, okay, so on the deeper dive, Jess, we have to. Okay, so on the deeper dive, which of course is our wrap up after show, which we are now hosting at the academy. So where there could code LISTENER for 25% off all of our tuition packages, but we are going to be playing poetry for Neanderthals. We’re gonna have to do it on the live show next week.


Jessica St. Clair  52:38

It’s a great idea.


June Diane Raphael  52:39

And I think there’s an easy way to get people their words.


Jessica St. Clair  52:42

Oh, great.


June Diane Raphael  52:43

When they come on with us, because that will be fun. We have a discount for our listeners go to exploding for 25% off, Jessica. Wow. I mean, I didn’t even get to talk about the Titanic. But it was I learned so much today. I feel very vulnerable. And so for all of you space on you space nuts. You have to understand people, and I think Paul understood he’s probably the only one who understands me. Why it was so stupid. I was on two spaceships because of my hatred of space.


Jessica St. Clair  53:26

Carl knows not Carl knows.


June Diane Raphael  53:28

Not one but two.


Jessica St. Clair  53:30

Because we’d be sitting to at these round these writers tables, right? And everybody’s like, does it makes sense that we’re slingshotting around the moon? I was like, fuck, who cares? And Carl was like, this is interesting to me. Just because you don’t care about space doesn’t mean that we all can’t talk about it he would stay up nights thinking does the avenue five logic makes sense? And I just was wanted to scream out loud. Nobody cares about your face because it’s in some in some ways have to be honest. It’s all like caring.


June Diane Raphael  54:03

Like I find it I find thinking about it to be overwhelming actually the insignificance of like what we’re all doing here you know and the idea of like, what else is out there and what’s unexplored you know, in the same way I’ve I think a lot about the deep the deep blue sea in the ocean and how much of it is unexplored and we don’t know who, what the fuck is down?


Jessica St. Clair  54:26

Well, unless it’s a fucking dinosaur that’s been hiding out down there. I don’t care. But you know what Carl Sagan said, I don’t care what fucking Carl Sagan, and this is where my small talk so like, if someone’s coming to me with space. I’m like, what can I say redirecting trying to think about what do I know?


June Diane Raphael  54:44

Carl Sagan said, we should not be trying to contact other planets and other worlds because they may come for us. They may not come in peace. So what the fuck are we doing sending out these messages? They’re going to kind of argue that we’re sending our wares as far as I know, just explode we’re just trendy now.


Jessica St. Clair  55:07

Well, we’re not eve All I know is from the movie contact, which I felt like they could have done more with Jodie Foster’s hair and makeup. Just because you’re a scientist doesn’t mean you can’t look pretty. Can’t run a brush through your hair up so late, listening for signs, here’s a sign. Okay, don’t let yourself be on camera. You know without some face framing layers. There’s a sign for you. Okay, but if you dabble in those dark arts when they come to harvest, I’m going to be like, you know what, there’s no blood on my hands because I didn’t care about you and I didn’t try to contact you. And that and this has been a deep deep dive. Good night, good luck.


June Diane Raphael  56:08

Oh, my gosh, Jess.


CREDITS  56:50

The Deep Dive is produced by Lemonada Media, Jessica Sinclair and Jun Diane Raphael. Special thanks to Anne Geddes for a cover art and Lennon Parham. For her sweet, sweet vocals. The best way to support us is to rate and review. Follow The Deep Dive wherever you get your podcasts or listen to ad free on Amazon music with your Prime membership..

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