The Aunties Are Getting Out

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Spring has sprung, and the Aunties want to feel the wind on their skin (moisturized and with SPF, of course). The Pak-Benders embarked on Van Life, which has been long in the making. The journey had its ups and downs, and SuChin is reflecting on lessons learned. Like, what does dinnertime look like for four people in a treehouse? Meanwhile, Kulap has been attending shows on shows, and talks about what that means for her after the pandemic and writer’s strike.

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SuChin Pak, Kulap Vilaysack

Kulap Vilaysack  00:10

Niblings, welcome back to another episode of Add To Cart, I’m your auntie Kulap Vilaysack.


SuChin Pak  00:16

And I’m your auntie Susie Park.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:21

Hi Susie Park. We are in the beginning of Q2 SuChin Pak, quarters of the year this measurement.


SuChin Pak  00:27

I just learned this, we just learned this this year now we’re just taking it off.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:32

And basically regarding this podcast and for the many years upon this earth, I would just sort of nod in recognition when people would say things like in the first quarter blah, blah, blah, right all the way through Q4, anywho. What I’m to understand by people who know more than us is people in Q2.


SuChin Pak  00:52

They’re thinking about travel.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:54

Especially looking at the summer but you SuChin Pak, you SuChin Pak,, you are ahead of the curve.


SuChin Pak  01:03

Well, okay, yeah, cuz Q3 is what summer?


Kulap Vilaysack  01:05

Yeah, yeah.


SuChin Pak  01:07

And then Q4 is Christmas tree time. So yeah, Q2, you know, Spring has sprung, at least here in California.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:15

That’s true.


SuChin Pak  01:16

Cabin Fever we’re out. You know what I mean, the babies aren’t, are not hibernating anymore. And so I want to be on the road with the wind on my lips. And a wheelie suitcase filled with snacks. We got our big family trip to Korea coming up in the summer, can’t wait.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:36



SuChin Pak  01:38

I just texted you and Deanna. And I don’t know if you guys saw the text yet but I will be doing a Costco trip in Korea. So that because I just live stream that at like 20 […]


Kulap Vilaysack  01:52

100%, we Deanna Chang aka device detective Deanna Chang, Triple D. She just listened to our Susan Liu episode, or a big chunk of it devoted to Costco. And she is a Costco person.


SuChin Pak  02:08

And I’m not.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:10

Yeah, because you’re gonna go in Korea. But how much are you going to buy? Because it’s not like you can bring this stuff back or you?


SuChin Pak  02:20

Of course you can’t, why would you really bring this stuff back.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:22

Space? I’m just thinking about space Su.


SuChin Pak  02:25

Oh, no well, we’ll work it out.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:28

You’re working with out.


SuChin Pak  02:29



Kulap Vilaysack  02:30

Before you summer.


SuChin Pak  02:32

Yes, before my summer trip. I’m taking my little baby girl on our first mother daughter trip to Mexico City for her birthday. I will tell her the night before, because.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:45

She doesn’t know. Oh, my goodness, that’s amazing, SuChin.


SuChin Pak  02:50

Yeah, that’s hot tip. When you’re you have a nine year old girl like I do. You know, you got to tell them the night before otherwise, it’s going to be for two months. When are we going? What should I bring? How why are we? What? What day? You know, it’s the question.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:08

Okay, got it, I got.


SuChin Pak  03:10

A night before I’m gonna say and she’s gonna lose her mind. And I’ll just have 12 hours of her losing her mind. And then we’ll be on a plane, so it’ll be great.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:18

Honestly, I feel like that’s just the best of both worlds, like it’s strategic, but also for most awesome.


SuChin Pak  03:26

Yeah, and then the vendors hit the road. I am fresh off of this van life.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:34

Okay, so let’s, let’s let’s. So you just came back from your first band trip. Let’s get into our carts. I want to let you know, you look fantastic, right when you got on the Zoom, I was like sexy librarian. You told me that was redundant. But the truth remains. So you seem fresh? Are you?


SuChin Pak  03:55

I mean, yeah, I think I’m fresh but for other reasons. It has nothing to do with the van trip. Okay, so let’s put it in context a little bit. For those who may not know the entire story yet. We have for the past two years have been working on converting a van. Yes. Sprinter van so Mike can travel. It is a yacht on wheels.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:19

Yeah, my guest some health conditions that this is sort of like the best vehicle, if you will, to travel.


SuChin Pak  04:27

And because of his health conditions. He has not left the house overnight since 2018.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:34



SuChin Pak  04:36

He has not left the house for more than three hours at a time since 2019.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:42

2020 is when you guys moved to Santa Barbara, right?


SuChin Pak  04:45



Kulap Vilaysack  04:46

Okay, I’m just trying to picture this in my mind. Well, that’s what we’re saying is it was a long time.


SuChin Pak  04:52

I’m so restless. And so I can’t even imagine what that I mean, that would break me but you know, he’s a writer. He’s more of a homebody, so maybe but I mean, he is itching to get out. I mean, it’s been years. So we decided that the best solution was going to be to outfit a bubble on wheels so that he could travel with us and the family. And so that’s what we did. So Add To Cart we got out of the fucking house. We got out, yeah, did it.


Kulap Vilaysack  05:24

I mean, there was there’s been so build up. There’s conversations about disaster toilets. There’s conversations you know, about, I’m gonna just do so much. There was so much going on. And finally, finally.


SuChin Pak  05:36

We were supposed to take our first band trip last summer. So this has been almost a year even just delayed. So we’ve finally been waiting for this. I mean, he had to do pre sleep nights in the driveway to make sure that the van was working. You don’t need a heater work, does it? You know what I mean? Yeah, does it actually work? Like you got to test it out. So this man was sleeping in the driveway for a while with, you know, tinfoil on the windows. This has been such a long time coming. And figuring out a destination was also a long time coming. I mean, we went from everywhere from we’re gonna go to Utah or skiing to finally decided we’re going to go up north just take a nice drive to like the San Francisco Monterey Bay Area. And we did three days up there.


Kulap Vilaysack  06:30

I know there were plans for a ski trip, I know that there was an Airbnb search and a booking for a house with a long enough driveway for Mike to stay in. But then that shifted.


SuChin Pak  06:43

Right, because for those of you tuning in now and wondering what insanity you’ve just walked into, like my cast asleep in the van. Now, when we started to build the van, at first, he thought we were all going to be sleeping in the van together in his mind. That’s how we were going to travel quickly, that started to unravel before the draft hit, you know, the the table, I was like, there’s no way that I will be able to sleep in this van, going to the bathroom seven times a night with two other children. It just won’t it just won’t work for that reason. And also, like I don’t want to sleep with other people around me like I just want to sleep by myself when I’m traveling. So he has to sleep in the van. And so then it just complicates things right because you can’t just like pull up to like an apartment building or a hotel.


Kulap Vilaysack  07:40

But you have to do research you have to do yeah, but again just a reminder a lot of us have seen the claim field no man’s land and we’ve got the idea we got a picture in our mind but continue.


SuChin Pak  07:51

So Add To Cart we got out of the house Add To Cart. You know we shit talked a bit about Airbnb with our guest, Lamar Woods. And I do have to say I mean, I’m not 100% because I’ve had some bad experiences. But Airbnb did come through. I will be posting and sharing with you some beautiful photos of Treehouse, we stayed in an Airstream on the bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean so.


Kulap Vilaysack  08:18

Holy cow.


SuChin Pak  08:20

Yeah, we had to stay in these kind of quirky places because of the van situation. And the parking situation.


Kulap Vilaysack  08:28

But it’s it’s more complicated, but it sounds like.


SuChin Pak  08:32

Yeah, but we were like, You know what, if we have to do this, let’s make it beautiful, so we did do that. And so that was great. So removed from carts.


Kulap Vilaysack  08:42

Oh, now we’re already going to the other side. I want to let you know, we didn’t spend a lot of time in the positive. Okay, go ahead.


SuChin Pak  08:52

Remove from cart, this version I have of myself, and you’re gonna laugh. I know, I have this version of myself where I think I’m an easygoing person.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:05

Could you be specific when and where? And at what time? And where’s the moon at this time when you’re this easygoing person?


SuChin Pak  09:12

Thank you. Because I really thought you were going to laugh yourself out of the chair and do, Am I interpreting that there are parts of me that you think are easygoing?


SuChin Pak  09:24

Yeah, yeah, parts Okay, parts.


SuChin Pak  09:28

So I have this this version of myself where I’m an easygoing person I’m laid back. But it’s when the rubber hits the road literally, that I realize that the circumference of my easygoingness is is so small, and what surrounds the easygoingness is just like a prison concrete wall that will not be moved. So within this three foot parameter, I’m chill, but like you, I can’t go beyond that.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:02

Yeah, it’s like you’re so chill within a windowless basement Parisian dark, dusty, dank hotel room.


SuChin Pak  10:15

Easygoing, I stayed in a hotel with an s a hostel.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:21

That’s right, that’s a search word you’re looking for. And you and Mike are particular in different ways. But you are particular, but easygoing. You know, there’s some things to me when you’re easygoing, it’s because you don’t care.


SuChin Pak  10:36

Yeah, I’m tired. I don’t care. I don’t want to think about it. I don’t want to make decisions so.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:43

That’s when you’re the easiest.


SuChin Pak  10:46

Easiest is when I’m depressed and sleep deprived. I am surfer laid back.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:54

Yeah, that’s, that’s, I think, fair.


SuChin Pak  10:56

You know, like, it’ll be like, I can sleep, I can stay anywhere but I would like, and I require a bed to myself, like, I don’t like to share beds when I travel. You know, I’m up for eating anything. But at least once a day, I have to have rice. Like, I can’t like on this trip, man. You have this, like, I can’t just have cheese all day, cheese and bread. So anyway, so these are the parameters. So it was just interesting to see this duality show up at every decision because when you’re traveling with your family, right, no decision, you can’t make a decision on your own. There’s no decision that is just what you want. It’s what the group wants. And so you start to see like, wow, I am very inflexible when it comes to certain things. The other remove from cart I have is that when you’re traveling with children, or children still have to eat. And you still have to feed them. You know this Ku, and when they say the Apple does not fall far from the tree that is 100% true when it comes I believe with parents and kids. You’re a hiker who loves to, I don’t know loves to sleep in tents and go surfing. Your kids are going to be hikers that you know love the outdoors, etc. My kids are like almost extinct orchids in a Victorian greenhouse, because that’s who Mike and I are delicate, precious, so he doesn’t eat ice cream. A child doesn’t eat ice cream, she’ll go to the ice cream place and just get a cone.


Kulap Vilaysack  12:40

She’ll snack on a cone, like, get a.


SuChin Pak  12:43

Like waffle cone, and I’m looking around and people I’m like, they think that I chain her to a basement when we go back home. Like who does that? Like we’re all sitting there eating ice cream and she’s chomping on just the cone, you know, because ice cream she doesn’t feel good when she eats ice cream. And so when you’re on the road like this, and you’re just trying to figure it out, like at some point you have to eat fast food. I don’t know when you know the next stop is going to be where we can get organic basmati rice with grilled chicken like it’s I don’t know. And so either I’m cooking it in the van, which adds more time or we’re stopping by a fast food place. Now my kids have had McDonald’s once. They’ve never even heard of Taco Bell but there was a Taco Bell and I was like great. We go into the Taco Bell they eat they’re Taco Bell and then the rest of the day. Again, I have photos. They could not get out of the bed in the van because they were so sick and so tired. Their tummy hurt my head hurt.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:53

From eating? They have so little toxins but I know that Kai eats a large amount of fries and a large amount of popcorn.


SuChin Pak  14:04

Yes, he eats so many fights. And that’s why I was like this kid can handle it. But I guess like when you’re eating grass fed.


Kulap Vilaysack  14:13

Is a that’s another level.


SuChin Pak  14:15

I used to love Taco Bell bean burrito with cheese.


Kulap Vilaysack  14:19

Yeah, now there’s no way that Mike Bender ate it.


SuChin Pak  14:22

No, he’s having his broccoli and his salmon in the van. I’m just doing the same thing I’m doing at home only. I don’t have my stovetop and I don’t have my refrigerator and I don’t have the spatula that takes off the perfect you know fried egg that’s not going to be too runny but not too hard for Sophie you know what I’m saying? So I’m like, trying to make all this work. So that’s a remove from cart. I don’t know how that situation will be solved other than my kids are gonna have to learn to eat Taco Bell but.


Kulap Vilaysack  14:59

There are other options other than Taco Bell? I think we can skip Taco Bell we know that that’s what that’s the data that we’ve taken in and we always skip Taco Bell and go for like Chipotle at least or something.


SuChin Pak  15:13

It’s like they had like, they have like dysentery in or anything like an old fashioned disease like they were in bed like, like remember like the the Willy Wonka old movie where like the old be in bed like with it covers up to their necks.


Kulap Vilaysack  15:30

Su, the only way to eat Taco Bell is to eat a lot of it and build up sort of this like toxic immunity. And I just don’t think you have the stomach for that. And they certainly don’t.


SuChin Pak  15:39

So first time out, so there are things that we are I have to like think about as we go forward. That I have to lessen this burden where I’m not making homemade hashbrowns you know, in a tree house on like a electric burner.


SuChin Pak  16:05

As anyone would imagine, remove from cart.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:08

You have four people living in a van.


SuChin Pak  16:10

Yeah, there’s a lot of smells.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:15

And then you’re talking about like when you’re driving, like you’re on the road.


SuChin Pak  16:19

Yeah, but also like we’re stopping every three hours so that Mike can eat like the smell of like steamed broccoli in a van. Then that traps in the van for the next three hours as we’re driving to our next location.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:33

Got it.


SuChin Pak  16:34

And then I’m peeing every 45 minutes.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:36

That’s commingling.


SuChin Pak  16:38

Even though the toilet job is sealed it in as quick as possible. It’s like a, it’s like one of those, you know, one of those vacuum sealers, ya know, it’s like zine.


SuChin Pak  16:50



SuChin Pak  16:51

But you know, sure. I still gotta sit on it.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:55

Do you go mama’s gotta pee, and then everybody just kind of what happens? What happens?


SuChin Pak  17:01

Well, first of all, the toilet takes a little bit of pre work. So I got it when I start to feel it. I gotta go Kai, fire her up. Because it’s in the back. So then, he’s got to pull the drawer out. He’s got to feed the plastic bag. Like like an old printing press. You gotta feed the plastic bag through that, you know, and there’s like a little thing that you.


Kulap Vilaysack  17:29

Like an old fashion typewriter.


SuChin Pak  17:32

Yeah, you got to bait it into the machine. And you got to do it right or else you know, it doesn’t seal it perfectly and you want that seal perfectly. And so I’ll say fire her up. And she goes back there he pulls it out. He does the plastic you know thing. And then I turn on the music real loud. Beyonce released our country album.


Kulap Vilaysack  17:53

Oh god I love it on repeat on repeat. What an interesting core memory for Kai? Interesting core memory for Kulap listening to SuChin Pak.


SuChin Pak  18:04

Do they revolt like at what age do they wake up and be like the fuck? This is not normal at what age?  I’m scared.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:17

I mean, when it’s time for them to move away and maybe that’s maybe this was this is something that’s important you know? This is how he doesn’t stick around.


SuChin Pak  18:25

I don’t think I have that long.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:28



SuChin Pak  18:29

I don’t think so. I like when they start to get into middle school high school and they see how other families do it. And they’re not firing up the toilet. I think he only needs to see that once.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:41

All right, well look I guess enjoy it now and be in the present because I guess the future is too soon. I’ve seen van life I’m Tiktok people you know.


SuChin Pak  18:54

That’s not our van life.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:56

No, I know it’s usually like a single girl with a dog.


SuChin Pak  19:01

In like a yoga thong and guitar. You know just just coming out from a swim in the ocean. This is not this van is you know what is a disaster van is what it is. It’s like made for human disasters. It’s a beautiful ride. And it’s got all the amenities that a disaster family could ever want. And I do have to say as soon as I got home that first 24 hours was dark. Like I many times had to stop myself from group texting the Add To Cart grouping like I don’t want to talk about it, I did. Because I was like, well, I’m not sure like.


Kulap Vilaysack  19:47

Because you were angry. You’re feeling angry.


SuChin Pak  19:49

Not even angry. I don’t even think I could have processed that for I was like in shock. I was like, wait, this has to be part of the vacation […] like, I have to make this work, I like traveling by myself but like, for me traveling and going on vacation is about just abandoning my life. I haven’t really had to like, do like a lot of family vacations because we haven’t been able to, and so it’s just it’s an interesting thing. When I came back, I was like, well, I have to really get my head around, like, what is this? Like, what are the expectations? Like, what am I? Why are we doing this? It doesn’t matter if you’re in a van, or I think when traveling with kids, you just have to figure out right, you have to recalibrate what fun looks like what that is.


Kulap Vilaysack  20:37

And then at this point, having done it, you need to figure out how this can work for SuChin Pak, as you said to our past guests is in lieu, happy mother, happy life. Happy mother happy family. And so how is this going to work for you? And some people are going to also have to be a little flexible, that aren’t just you?


SuChin Pak  21:03

Yeah, and it’s going to be a long time before I panic.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:07

I was going to ask, do we know when do we.


SuChin Pak  21:10

I need some time to really like process. There were just moments in there where I was like, whoa, I mean, the second night, I was on my app, like at two in the morning because I of course I didn’t sleep out once through the entire trip on my app being like, how much is an Uber? Home? It’s a lot, but not that much. I was like it’s doable. I can get from city to city. And so I was like, okay, if I Uber home with the kids, and then Uber back, pick up Mike in the van. You mean like I was doing the second night? Because I was like, oh, I can’t do I won’t make it the next day like this is not going to happen. So I got through that. And this all started because the first day I got back, I was like I was shocked. I was shell shocked, because I was so tired. I just did not expect that to go the way that it did. But now that I’ve had some time and some sleep, I’m like, oh, there was like moments of like, just absolute fun.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:13

I’m curious, because everything you said makes sense. But I guess I’m wondering why you thought it wasn’t going to go that way and didn’t prepare for it.


SuChin Pak  22:23

I think I didn’t want to put any weight on it before. Like I didn’t want to panic. So I was more like, ostrich in the sand. Like I was like that was gonna be my mechanism to get.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:37

This goes back to your initial remove from cart, which is just let go of the story that I’m an easygoing person that my kids also let’s throw Kai, and so, that my kids are easy breezy. Like, let that story go. Let it go, it does not serve you.


SuChin Pak  22:56

No, it truly knowing that. Yeah, knowing that then I can make plans for a trip a road trip, that’s doable. Short and sweet. Because I was thinking I was like, is it a success? Was this a success? Like, we’ve spent so much time building this van so much money? So many resources have gone into this?


Kulap Vilaysack  23:18

And it’s a lot of pressure.


SuChin Pak  23:20

It’s a lot of pressure. And it’s a lot of pressure for me. It’s a lot of pressure from Mike. And I think that the fact that he hasn’t left the house on a trip since you know, 2018 that is why we we did it. Yeah, it’s an extreme success. But like you said, I just have to get real with like what I need.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:42

But it’s also just being like, this is our reality. I it’s us being at home with less things. We want to be these like Manic Pixie, you know?


SuChin Pak  23:52

Yeah, just like jump in the ocean. Yeah, like, I don’t need to shower like it’s okay, you know, as you’re just, you know, wiping yourself down with baby wipes. And I’m just not, no, I can’t do that. Like, I need a bed, I need a shower, I need a kitchen. Like, these things can happen in 2024 by the way, like the I, these aren’t crazy things. But I was like, Oh, of course we can stay in a bucking tree house with a with an outhouse that’s, you know, 30 feet away, like, no, I can’t stand like.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:30

Su, I could have told you that. Like, I almost feel like you need to send me all of your travel plans. So I can tell you like you’re not going to do this, like what are you talking about? I know for a fact how many times you get up at night, that you’re gonna go on in the outdoors and go to an outhouse like that. Su, that’s like, insane. That is insane.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:56

I don’t know if I’ve been saying this out loud to you Su, but I since January, I’ve decided that we have to get out of the house once a month.


SuChin Pak  25:07

Once a month, we wouldn’t be by we who’s we?


Kulap Vilaysack  25:10

Well, that’s also I should be specific.


SuChin Pak  25:13

You got me.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:17

I want to leave town once a month. That’s being honest, being honest, it started with going to Casey’s LaQuinta house with like my, my besties. And then going, oh, man, Scott should go out to so then February was let’s go to Santa Barbara, just me and him.


SuChin Pak  25:34



Kulap Vilaysack  25:35

And then March was, let’s go to Newport Beach. And I put this in our recent newsletter. And hey, if you haven’t signed up for our newsletter, what are you doing Lincoln bio, we dive even deeper, and there’s even more of an insight into our madness.


SuChin Pak  25:51

Yeah, but you don’t like shopping? You don’t like staying in hotel? Like doing any of that, what do you do in here?


Kulap Vilaysack  25:56

What are you doing here? So we went to Newport Beach. It was my mother in law’s birthday weekend. And I don’t want to stay in orange. So I was like, Scott is […] Thank you very much. So I’m looking at on the app, what’s a nice hotel that’s nearby. We say that the Lido hotel, right.


SuChin Pak  26:16

Dude, come on.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:17

That’s how I really.


SuChin Pak  26:18

You fucking staying at the Lido fucking Hotel? You guys, for those that don’t know. I’ve stayed athlete, a hotel, one kid. I mean, that’s like premium gorgeousness. It’s the hotel right? That looks like isn’t the interior downstairs like a like a yacht club? Five.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:40

Yes, that’s the one. […] And this was the first hotel experience with me. I think it went really well again, I talked about this in my newsletter. So that’s what I that’s kind of what I’ve been up to. Once a month of May I think we’re going back to Santa Barbara this time with the kid. So I’ll hit you up. But you know, so that’s where I’m at with traveling of course, I mentioned in April, I will be going solo with June and Matt, and Danielle, to Miami Beach bride. So again, we, but I’m always leaving no matter what, what is the common denominator? I am always leaving. Once a month.


SuChin Pak  27:25

100% yeah, a 100%. I couldn’t agree more. You need to do it.


Kulap Vilaysack  27:30

Yeah, just a weekend. It’s just been weekend trips.


SuChin Pak  27:32

It’s weekend trips. I think that you’ll build yourself up to you know, longer trips, but it doesn’t matter. I think, correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like as creative people. The only inspiration that is 100% guaranteed for me, and I don’t care if it’s a terrible trip or if it’s my fantasy trip. It’s seeing something different with my eyeballs. It doesn’t matter anything, it does. Mushrooms, caffeine, movies, shopping online, all of that great supplemental, my eyeballs need to see something, a different horizon. Otherwise, that part of me dies.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:15

Yeah, I’m the same absolutely the same. To that end, I’m also making a concerted effort to see live performances in town this year. So I’ve seen Kate Vernon solo show, Kate. It was amazing. I saw my friend Lily Sullivan solo show. Matt McConkey was the lead in a 30 minute musicals of the film Roadhouse. He played the Patrick Swayze part. Last night, I saw Jackie Johnson solo show how to land your second husband. It’s just fantastic it’s so good, former guests, Jackie Johnson. And then I also saw one of the Los Angeles closing weekend performances of drag the musical, Su it was so fucking good. It was so great. It stars, truly my favorite drag name and drag performer, Alaska Thunderfuck, Nick Adams, Joey McIntyre from New Kids on the Block and former Add To Cart guest Jujubee. There’s so many great performers in this like from top to bottom. Everyone’s amazing. I want my friend Laura kindred and Jujubee generously upgraded our seats to front row and center. And I was like, I was on stage. I felt so like in it. And like they served they all served. And I believe in the fall they’re going to be in New York. So if you have a chance to dizzy, drag the musical you must you must, you must, you must the music, the wigs, the costumes, the comedy, I cried. In one part there was it was just so it’s such a good time. And that has just been my experience of going to see these shows, we’re just seeing people who I’m fans of whom I love. And generally, who I happen to know, because I’m in the arts, being funny the way that they want to be funny doing the things that they want to do. And that’s what you hope to see in sort of these performances. But it’s just been so inspiring and refreshing and exciting. And like, I mean, the pandemic and that vortex of time that we all were in where we were in sort of the underworld and the strike, oh, my God, you’re absolutely the strike and just wanting to be in this place of like having this like, communal experience, you know, like Scott I love is making the point to go see concerts.


SuChin Pak  30:49

And yeah, and he’s always been that way.


Kulap Vilaysack  30:51

Yeah, loves Yeah, music. He loves music. And then I’ve been making a point. So like, I’m going to people’s shows, and I’m going to Angel City Football Club. Like, we’re doing this like it’s Angel City Football Club. It’s women’s soccer.


SuChin Pak  31:07

Oh, okay, got it.


Kulap Vilaysack  31:08

Yeah, so I went to one soccer game last year.


SuChin Pak  31:11

In LA?


Kulap Vilaysack  31:11

In LA and I asked Scott for Christmas to get me season tickets.


SuChin Pak  31:16

Because are they playing? Do they play in that like open stadium downtown? I went once it is so fun […]


Kulap Vilaysack  31:26

It’s so fun the vibe is so fun.


SuChin Pak  31:28

It’s like a party. I’ve never been to a sports like game that felt like that.


Kulap Vilaysack  31:34

That’s what I love is just the vibes in the stands. Look Su, you know your brother has moved to LA love for you to come to a game with me sometime we figure it out.


SuChin Pak  31:44

That you’re a season season ticket holder, a great seats a great seats. Look at us. You know our eyelids flapping in the wind or wigs askew?


Kulap Vilaysack  31:55

A reminder that this podcast started October 2020. What a difference, thank God, thank whoever.


SuChin Pak  32:04

Oh my god, all good and terrible things come to an end. And we begin a new book. I feel like this is the sunrays the dawn, then the election comes. No, so let’s enjoy the vitamin D. This summer, let’s enjoy it this spring, I’m not going to be home.


Kulap Vilaysack  32:28

Doesn’t sound like it doesn’t sound like well that’s all for today’s episode. If you want to see some of the items we talked about in today’s episode, head on over to our Instagram at Add to Cart pod.


SuChin Pak  32:38

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SuChin Pak  33:04

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CREDITS  33:17

Add To Cart is a production of Lemonada Media. Our producers are Kegan Zema and Tiffany Bouy. Brian Castillo is our engineer. Theme music is by Wasahhbii and produced by La Made It and Oh So Familiar with additional music by APM music. Executive producers or Kulap Vilaysack, SuChin Pak, Jessica Cordova Kramer, and Stephanie Wittels Wachs. Be sure to check out all the items we mentioned today on our Instagram at @AddToCartPod. Follow Add to Cart wherever you get your podcasts or listen at free on Amazon music with your Prime membership.

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