Every Parent’s Nightmare
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On Zach Snarr’s last day alive, he got up early to help his father at work, he cleaned the kitchen for his mother and he made his sister laugh. But on August 28, 1996, the 18-year-old never came home from his date with Yvette Rodier at a reservoir outside of Salt Lake City. Instead, two police officers and a chaplain came to ring the bell. It was every parent’s nightmare, a devastating loss that rocked a community and shattered lives. But Zach’s mother, Sy Snarr, finds hope from a most unlikely place and it comes in the form of a weekly phone call.
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Researched and reported by Amy Donaldson Written by Amy Donaldson and Andrea Smardon Production and sound design by Andrea Smardon Mixing by Trent Sell Special thanks to Nina Earnest, Becky Bruce, KellieAnn Halvorsen, Ryan Meeks, Ben Kuebrich, Josh Tilton and Dave Cawley Main musical score composed by Allison Leyton Brown With KSL Podcasts Executive Producer Sheryl Worsley For Lemonada Media, Executive Producers Jessica Cordova Kramer and Stephanie Wittels Wachs And Executive Producers Paul Anderson and Nick Panella with WorkHouse Media. The Letter is produced by KSL Podcasts and Lemonada Media in association with WorkHouse Media.
Surviving a barrage of bullets is just the start of what Yvette Rodier will have to do to reclaim her life. The emotional damage will take far longer to heal than the physical bullet wounds. She gets married, has a child and chooses a career that allows her to use her past to help others.
Despite the looming shadow of the shooting, her life is one of beauty and generosity; of resilience and hope.
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Researched and reported by Amy Donaldson
Written by Amy Donaldson and Andrea Smardon
Production and sound design by Andrea Smardon
Mixing by Trent Sell
Special thanks to Nina Earnest, Becky Bruce, KellieAnn Halvorsen, Ryan Meeks, Ben Kuebrich, Josh Tilton and Dave Cawley
Main musical score composed by Allison Leyton Brown
With KSL Podcasts Executive Producer Sheryl Worsley
For Lemonada Media, Executive Producers Jessica Cordova Kramer and Stephanie Wittels Wachs
And Executive Producers Paul Anderson and Nick Panella with WorkHouse Media
The Letter is produced by KSL Podcasts and Lemonada Media in association with WorkHouse Media.
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Sy Snarr, John Kragle, Keith Stevens, Amy Donaldson, Ron Snarr, Sydney
Amy Donaldson 00:00
Before we get started, a warning to listeners. This podcast includes descriptions of gun violence and associated trauma. Please take care when listening. Sy Snarr built her Monday mornings around this phone call. She’s so excited when she sees the caller ID. She nearly drops the phone.
Sy Snarr 01:46
George. Hi, George. How are you? I’m good. It’s so good to hear from you. I’ve wondered, I’ve been wondering if you got your vaccine yet.
Amy Donaldson 01:59
She leans back against the couch in the same living room where her life unraveled 25 years ago.
Sy Snarr 02:09
I sent you a letter you should be getting it any day.
Amy Donaldson 02:12
On the wall behind her for large Black and White portraits. That frees her children in time. As teenagers in the 90s it was a time once I couldn’t imagine the painful turn their lives we’re about to take. To understand why that Monday morning phone call is so significant. We have to go back to the day that Sy Snarr’s world fell apart. It was in that same house in a quiet Salt Lake City neighborhood.
Sy Snarr 02:46
I came running in the house I was late and I had somewhere to go.
Amy Donaldson 02:50
It was August 28 1996. For Sy and her close knit family. It was a day just like every other day.
Sy Snarr 02:57
And I’d been gone all day in came through the back door and I noticed my kitchen was spotless. And I had not left it that way. And Zach was standing right there. And I said who cleaned my kitchen? And he said I did it for you mama. And I said thanks Zach. You know, that was Zach.
Amy Donaldson 03:17
It was one of those moments that probably wouldn’t stand out. Except for what came after it.
Sy Snarr 03:24
The thing I do think a lot is why didn’t I stop and say, Zach, if I told you today, you’re the greatest. You know, I said thank you, at least I noticed and I’m glad but why didn’t I stop and hugging that was the last time I ever saw him. Instead of just hurry, hurry, you got to be here. Gotta be there, you know? Because you just don’t realize that the last time you’re gonna see him. It’s why you tell people you love him every day.
Amy Donaldson 03:55
This story began 25 years ago with a crime that shocked the community. But it’s really about what happened after the violence. It’s about how those involved rebuild their lives from the wreckage. As unlikely as it seems. It’s a story about healing and hope and something no one saw coming. The chance for redemption. From KSL podcasts, I’m Amy Donaldson. And this is THE LETTER, episode one, Every Parent’s Nightmare.
Ron Snarr 04:51
That morning actually that morning he was he got up and he was dressed ready to go to work.
Amy Donaldson 05:00
Ron Snarr stands about six foot three with tan skin and calloused hands from decades of working long, hard days as the owner of a landscaping business in the summer of 1996. Zach worked alongside him.
Ron Snarr 05:14
I get up and I go out, stretch and beyond. Look out the window, see what? See if it rains. And he’s sitting there on the couch. He says, Dad, where you’ve been? I’ve been waiting for you sitting there all dressed ready to go. Zach I’ll be right […]
Amy Donaldson 05:31
Ron laughs easily and often. A lot of times it is own jokes. But laughter is also his defense mechanism. He uses it to ease tension or to mask pain. Like now, when he talks about the last morning that he shared with his son.
Ron Snarr 05:48
But that’s just the type of guy was you know, as that’s what happened the morning he was gone. I’ve been waiting for you, it still lives.
Amy Donaldson 06:01
In that house nestled in the foothills of the Wasatch Mountains, the Snarr’s raised four children. All four still lived at home that summer. Trent was 21, Sidney 19, Zach 18, and Levi was 15 all the children were close, but Sydney and Zach separated by just 18 months, they enjoyed a special middle child relationship.
My other brothers were pretty quiet. But Zack was just this outgoing social creature. And so we were each other sidekick. I don’t have any memories of my childhood without Zach there. We were so close. You know, we were siblings. But more than anything, we were friends. I remember he was like, man, what would mom do without us? Like who would make her laugh? And I was like, oh, I know. Because we considered ourselves the funny ones of the family. I remember Zach sitting in the front room. I can close my eyes and see this like I’m watching a movie and I can fill it. I remember him playing the guitar. And he was self-taught. He taught himself how to play Pink Floyd and Eric Clapton and Guns and Roses and he would just sit in Pickaway at his guitar and I always try to sing along. Like I just join in. And if I heard him in the other room I’d come running into to seeing and it would just drive him so crazy. And we would just, you know, we were always just laughing like it was. It was fun.
Amy Donaldson 07:39
Syd’s last conversation with Zach was a phone call.
I had ridden my bike to work that day. And I had fallen off my bike at a red light. And so I told him about that because it was funny and awkward. And we just laugh together.
Amy Donaldson 07:53
Zach had called her at the bakery where she was working looking for the keys to his Bronco. He was going to pick up his friend event for a date that night.
Amy Donaldson 08:01
And that night when I was riding my bike home from work, he actually drove past me on his way to go pick up Yvette Olson. I just heard this honking crazy honking and I looked up and Zach was driving opposite of me. And he had his body hanging out the front window of the car. And he was just laying on the horn and he had his fist up in the air like this victory, you know, and he was just like, you know, as he drove by, and I remember just going you’re a dork. And then he just kept going and I shook my head and like, you know, rolled my eyes and just kept going home. But that was the last time I saw him.
Amy Donaldson 09:34
What happened that night? After the break. He might have been a […], but he was also passionate about music and photography. She’s not sure what he might have been if he’d had the chance to chase his dreams. What she does know is that he made the most of the life that he had. And he went out of his way to be friendly to everyone.
Sy Snarr 12:11
Even some of our older neighbors said he was the only kid in the neighborhood who had ever stopped and talked to him. He’d see him outside and he’d stopped and talked to him. How are you doing need help them in with their garbage or out with the garbage? You know, that was just that he was just an amazing, young man.
Amy Donaldson 12:30
He was responsible, a rule follower with empathy for everyone. Her son Sy, says believed in doing the right thing. Even if it didn’t seem to matter.
Sy Snarr 12:40
There was no gray area for Zach, he would signal in a parking lot. I mean, that’s how careful he was, you know, he just did everything. Right and good. And, you know, he never deviated.
Amy Donaldson 12:53
For Zach Snarr, the summer of 1996 was a bridge between his happy childhood and an adult life that was just coming into focus.
Sy Snarr 13:04
He had a date that night with Yvette Rodier. And they had been friends since junior high and just good friends really good friends and hung out but had never really dated. But he was going to I think teach her how to take pictures.
Ron Snarr 13:23
We’re all home except Zach. And the two boys are downstairs and there’s two bedrooms upstairs. I was on one side and Sy on the other.
Sy Snarr 13:31
We’d all gone to bed and about 115 in the morning, the doorbell rang and I really thought because there was this group of girls from Ogden, who you hang out with and they were doorbell ditching him again. You know, they did that back and forth. And so I didn’t I didn’t get up. I just thought well, there’s those Ogden girls again. You know, the Ogden ladies. He called him.
I was reading in bed, the doorbell rang. And then there was knocking and I went to the door and we had a glass front door. I started opening the door and then I just kind of got a little uncomfortable like, wait, it’s late, what’s going on? And so I called through the glass, I said, can I help you? And they said, is your mom and dad there? And I said, Yeah, and then one of them pulled out their badge and said I’m with the police department. And I just remember thinking, oh my gosh, our house has been graffitied. And that was like my thought that was the worst thing at that moment that it possibly could have been. So I opened the door and I went in to my parents room and I stuck my head and I said Mom and Dad, there’s some policeman here to see you.
Ron Snarr 14:44
He comes in and says the police are at the front door.
Sy Snarr 14:48
There’s two detectives that want to talk to you. And I looked at my husband I said what do they want, go see what they want.
Ron Snarr 14:57
I get up and […]
Sy Snarr 15:04
And I said, oh, he’s with Yvette, he’s fine. But they want to talk to you. I think I knew at that instant, it had to do with Zach.
And so my parents came out and they were both just pail.
Ron Snarr 15:21
We knew it wasn’t going to be good.
Sy Snarr 15:26
I said, what’s happened to my son? Because I just I knew. And they said, well, will you sit down?
And they had my parents sit down, and I was standing in the doorway. And they introduce themselves and there was two policemen and chaplain there, and they said, something like, your son, Zachary was involved in a shooting tonight.
Sy Snarr 15:57
And I just thought, you’ve got the wrong kid. Zach would never be involved in something like that.
Ron Snarr 16:03
And I remember my dad’s voice just cracked and he said, well, is he okay?
Sy Snarr 16:08
They said he had been shot. And he hadn’t made it
My mom just collapsed across my dad’s lap and my dad laid over her and they were both just instantly crying and like wailing. And I just remember standing there, just holding onto the doorframe into the living room.
Sy Snarr 16:38
We told our daughter to go down and get her brothers.
And I ran downstairs into the basement and turned on my brother Levi’s light and just started screaming Zach’s dead Zach’s dead, get up, get up. And he was like, what, what? And from there, I ran into trance room and he was my older brother and flip the light on. And he was already sitting up in bed. And I remember he was just pure white, just like the blood had just dropped out of his face. And I just screamed, get up, and then ran out the room.
Sy Snarr 17:16
I’ll never forget their faces when they come upstairs. They were just White and just in shock, you know?
And that’s how I told my brothers because I just didn’t I regret that. You know, I feel bad that that’s how I think I was just in such shock though, because it was it was just so shocking. Who would hurt him?
Sy Snarr 17:49
First thing they said practically was what gang was he affiliated with?
Ron Snarr 17:53
Why are you asking this? This is very, very annoying. You know, it’s kind of like you know, Zach’s not the problem. Never been a problem its whole life. We’re denying it all. He says, you know, you got the wrong guy. He’s not no gang. He’s never been anywhere. You know, he’s only been a model child.
Sy Snarr 18:14
They were saying, did she have a jealous boyfriend? Or has he been fighting with anybody? And we’re just like, no, no, no.
My parents were so quietly to say no, no. And I remember I just like, screamed out. No, everybody loved Zach.
Sy Snarr 18:29
And it was like, just surreal to me, because I just kept thinking, that didn’t happen, you know, wake up, this has to be a dream wake up. I mean, that I just kept looking at him. And they said, you know that the girl I was with had been shot that she was at the hospital and I’m just like, This cannot be happening and they just went on and on. And I just I said, Wait a minute. Are you telling me my son’s dead? You know, and they just kind of looked at me like, this woman’s not getting it. And I wasn’t, I mean, it just could not be real to me, you know, just could not have happened to him.
Amy Donaldson 19:15
As soon as Sy learned that Zach was at the hospital, she left to sit with her family. Ron walked the neighborhood and talked with friends and family. Zach siblings turned to each other for comfort.
Amy Donaldson 19:26
We cried. We cried and screamed and hugged. A lot of friends and family started coming in and they came to our house all through the night. At some point, somebody gave me a sleeping pill. I remember opening my eyes and the sun was coming in through the window and it was silent. And I just remember thinking oh my gosh, that was the worst dream. And I just remember thinking, thank God, that was a nightmare. And I remember getting out of bed and walking out into my house and it was full of people. And it was just silent and everyone was crying. And everyone was talking in hushed tones. And I remember just the realization that this happened, how could this have happened? And then from there, it was just a whole new nightmare.
Amy Donaldson 22:11
After the break, the Snarr’s learn more details about Zach’s last night. A couple of days after Zach’s murder, the Snarr’s visited Yvette at the hospital.
Sy Snarr 22:55
It was awful seeing her lay there and your face was so swollen and I was so sad for her. She just looked so small and fragile and I just I just wept for her. You know, I remember I had to kneel down the foot of her bed because it couldn’t stand. I had to just kneel down just because I was, what’s the word, devastated. It was devastating.
Amy Donaldson 22:55
Yvette offered the Snarr’s precious details of Zach’s last night.
Sy Snarr 23:30
I felt like I needed to know what had happened.
Amy Donaldson 23:37
Zach took Yvette out to dinner where they shared their post high school hopes. They traded stories about summer jobs and preparing for college. Both plan to attend the University of Utah in about a week. And Zach, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints talked about the mission he hoped to serve for His church, even though it’s still a year away. After dinner, Zach had a surprise for Yvette. They drove up to little Dell a reservoir in a nearby Canyon. It was a 20 minute drive from the restaurant in Salt Lake City to the small reservoir that is a favorite of fishermen. He hadn’t told her where they were going or what they were doing. But when they got there, Yvette found out she was gonna get a photography lesson. Zach plan to teach her how to take pictures of the rising Full Moon reflected on the water. He ease his Bronco into the dirt parking lot. The moon was already rising. They walked down an asphalt path that led to the water. They spread a blanket on the ground. And Zach gave Yvette a jacket he brought to protect her from the chill of the canyon winds. He was just setting up the tripod when a stranger approached them. The man who looked about their age asked a question about where the road went. They told him they didn’t know. Just as they turned away, the man pulled out a gun and began shooting at them. Zach and Yvette fell to the ground next to each other. If that screamed as the man empty the gun into their bodies. Then the man reloaded his gun and continued shooting as he walked toward them. The first bullet that hits Zack likely killed him. Event shot multiple times, somehow survived. We’ll hear from Yvette in the next episode. But for now, we’ll stay with the snares and experience that night as they did. Laying in a hospital bed still trying to comprehend why they’d been attacked. Yvette provided pieces to a devastating puzzle for the Snarr’s. Event told say that they had eaten calzones at Salt Lake pizza and pasta. She told her where they sat and what they discussed.
Sy Snarr 26:00
I don’t know why it mattered, but I never would have known. I never would have known where they ate or and I had taken him to lunch there a few days before Zach and I just the two of us. And he liked it. And I think that’s why I took her there. But I was glad to know that he had been talking about me to her because I had made this quilt out of old Levi’s and he had taken it up there to sit on while they set up the tripod and take pictures. And he told her I’d made that and that meant so much to me. You know, the fact that he’d take the time to tell her my mom and he always called me Mama I love that, made this quilt and does that it meant something to him meant a lot to me. Some people may never care, but he did. He was so good. I sound like a mother. I am a proud mother. I’ve always been very proud to be Zach’s mother.
Amy Donaldson 27:02
Ron was unmoored without his sons and goodness to guide him.
Ron Snarr 27:06
Zach was my child that would correct me when I was in the wrong, he would feel a tap on my shoulder.
Amy Donaldson 27:17
He remembers a church trip to waterpark where Zach kept him in line.
Ron Snarr 27:21
I’m down there and be in my usual cell demanding this and that I go up to the girl and said I needed a tube and a life jacket and I forget what else I named about three things and I feel the tap on my shoulder and the whole world sitting there watching this you know, and he says, dad, I turned around I know it was coming there’s such a thing as pleasing tank you. And I said yes, you’re right Zach’s like around can I please have this and this and thank you very, very much. But he was like that, you know, it didn’t matter where I was or what I was doing. He wasn’t shy about setting his dad straight. And I needed setting straight quite a bit. Another question I asked God I said what a would you take that away from me that he was my, he’d watch over me you know, and make me look a lot better.
Amy Donaldson 28:31
News reports highlighted the random nature of the crime. There was speculation that the 19 year old shooter just wanted to see somebody die. The community struggled to make sense of the shooting. Keith Stevens was the lead detective on the case.
Keith Stevens 29:09
A lot of times when a shooting first happens, the media and other people is a very hot topic for a minute then people go about their business and as you start to dissipate, and people start to forget about it. A lot of times, some of the story comes up later and oh, well that’s why that guy got shot. He’s a dirty so and so. And then people kind of justify it. This circumstance were two teenage kids doing what teenage kids do. They were here enjoying themselves good, clean, wholesome kids. every parent’s nightmare, every parent’s nightmare. So that’s where I think that really sent those shockwaves out.
John Kragle 29:58
25 years ago, it still hit me like a ton of bricks. You know.
Amy Donaldson 30:03
John Kragle was Zach’s photography teacher at Highland High School.
John Kragle 30:07
When you hear, you know, I knew that somebody had been killed. You hear his name said in the person who died was. And in this bombshell gets dropped on, some of the kids there, you know, those kids who knew him were just shell shocked. I mean, they were kids crying in the halls, and it will come out of nowhere. It just like me right now, you know, will come out of nowhere you realize what we’ve lost and how much we were going to miss him.
Amy Donaldson 30:37
Zach, as John remembers, love nature shots, mountains, flowers, the intricacies of tree roots.
John Kragle 30:44
You know, so when I when I heard he was taking pictures of the moon, the night he was killed, it made sense. We’d actually gone over that in class.
Amy Donaldson 31:01
Zach had even joined a trip John organized for a small group of students to go to Europe that summer for sightseeing and photography. So John was able to get to know him more as a person.
John Kragle 31:11
And they said, this was a kid that I really, I really thought a lot of, I knew I could count on him. I knew he could help other people. You know, without my asking him to you know, he was just that kind of a guy.
Amy Donaldson 31:26
See me said it was easy for people to see themselves or their child in her brother’s place.
You know, you’ve got this nice kid who something so horrible happened to and it was just such a random act of violence, that I think a lot of people were like, that could have happened to us. That could have been anyone. Why him?
Amy Donaldson 31:47
Back in the 90s random shootings were rare. It was a time when many people had no experience with that particular kind of terror.
And it was one of those things where people were saying, Hold your children close tonight. And just be grateful.
Amy Donaldson 32:13
The family was not able to see Zach’s body right away, because it was considered evidence in the criminal case. More than a week after his death, they were allowed to prepare him for a funeral.
That was really hard. I remember the coroner telling us not to touch his head. Because it was unstable with the how the bullet had entered and exited the body. They kept saying just don’t touch the head because it’s too fragile. And I remember just being like horrified by that. I remember going to pick out the casket. And they had some, like pink caskets and there was one with like an animal print. And I remember thinking how Zach would think that was funny. And I said to my mom, that oh my gosh, sack would just die if we if we pick this one. And I remember my mom saying Do you want to rephrase that? And it was not funny. And it was suddenly where I and I just burst into tears because you know, I had said something so stupid and like and it was just like, oh my gosh, I can’t believe I just said that. And that’s how sensitive everyone was at that time was just you know; everyone was walking on eggshells around us we were walking on eggshells around each other. Everything was painful.
Amy Donaldson 33:40
In addition to their own grief, Sydney says they had to face many friends and neighbors also trying to come to grips with the shocking nature of the crime.
The night before the funeral, we had a viewing and I mean it ended up being hours and hours and hours long. And I remember just having to comfort everyone else like it was just it was just such a heavy load for my little family to carry.
It was a bonding like this neighborhood has never seen before. 1500 people some who didn’t even know Zachary Snarr packed into the Edgemont LDS Ward house to pay tribute to what they call a remarkable family and a remarkable gifted young man whose life was wasted in a senseless shooting, so far in turn facing my brother. I look forward to the resurrection of the just, it’ll be a tremendous day for my family.
We love you all so much. Even those that we don’t know we love you. We love you so much. You have held us together these many days that have been so hard on us.
Amy Donaldson 35:07
Just a day after the shootings, police arrested the killer. He was only a few months older than event and Zach. He confessed to the crime in a police interview, which I’ll share with you in another episode. But at the time, the Snarr’s could only piece together his motives from what they gathered a news report, they were left with no satisfying answers as to why anyone would want to take Zach’s life. Under pressure from the media, the snares agreed to hold a press conference. Three days after Zach was killed, all five of them squeezed together on one sofa, their arms wrapped around one another. But they could not protect each other from the grief and anger that would destroy the life they knew.
Sy Snarr 35:50
If you had to die, wished it would have been an accident because there would have been a lot easier to accept in this I will never understand what happened to him. It was brutal. It was violent, it was senseless. And I will never understand it. I will never accept it.
This man has taken so much away from us. We can even call him the person of human animal.
Sy Snarr 36:30
Hi, George. How are you? I’m good. It’s so good to hear from you. I’ve wondered, I’ve been wondering if you got your vaccine yet.
Amy Donaldson 36:42
Sy Snarr wasn’t sure she’d ever know the kind of joy that she took for granted before Zach was killed. Then two and a half years ago, she received a letter that changed everything. And it led to these Monday morning phone calls that she waits for with nervous anticipation.
Sy Snarr 36:56
I got to tell you; I got an invitation to your niece’s wedding. What a gorgeous couple. Yeah, we’re gonna go that’s so nice that we’re excited. Have you heard anything about when visitations going to open up down there if it is, or when?
Amy Donaldson 37:14
She asks him if he’s getting her letters, she hopes to get another from him. She advises him to spend as much time in the sunshine as possible. She talks about her wielding wildflowers, her affection for grandchildren, and an upcoming trip.
Sy Snarr 37:29
But yeah, you should. I hope you get it today. I did write to you. I waited till after Easter Sunday because we went with Syd’s family to Bear Lake we had just the best time we took our bikes, bike riding and.
Amy Donaldson 37:40
The man on the other end of the line is both the reason her life was nearly consumed by anger. And the reason she’s found peace. His name is Jorge Benvenuto. Although friends and family call him George.
Sy Snarr 37:53
You should be getting it. I’m so glad you called. It’s so great to hear from you.
Amy Donaldson 37:57
He’s calling from the central Utah Correctional Facility.
Sy Snarr 38:01
I will and you’ll hear all about it, too. I’ll tell you all about it for sure.
Amy Donaldson 38:06
And he’s the man who murdered her son.
Sy Snarr 38:09
Thanks. Thanks for calling. Love you, bye.
Amy Donaldson 38:36
These days we become all too familiar with stories about random acts of violence. before we’ve even had the chance to process one terrible story. Another more shocking crime appears in our newsfeed we tend to focus on the part that terrifies us. As a crime reporter I did just that on a daily basis. I’ve spent my career talking about how lives are undone by violence. This is the story of how they are remade. Next time on, THE LETTER.
Speaker 4 39:08
There’s no reason I should be here. He reloaded his gun and aimed up my head to make sure I died.
Amy Donaldson 39:48
The story of Yvette Rodier, the survivor.
Amy Donaldson 40:00
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