Fall Back In Love With Yourself

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It’s pumpkin spice and turtleneck season! And for SuChin, it’s also the time for making resolutions. She shares why September is her month of self-care. Meanwhile, Kulap is channeling her inner cowgirl as she and Scott ramble out West for their anniversary. Plus, Ku tries to convince Su to wear some fancy granny panties. Stick around to hear some of the worst presents listeners have ever received.

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Shannon, Kim, Gina, Kulap Vilaysack, SuChin Pak

Kulap Vilaysack  00:10

Hello my pumpkin spice sweeties. I’m Auntie Kuku Vilaysack.


SuChin Pak  00:15

And, I’m auntie Susu Pak. Here we are.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:19

Yeah. Summer is in the rear view.


SuChin Pak  00:23



Kulap Vilaysack  00:24

Some would say, would say some would say that.


SuChin Pak  00:25

It’s there it is. We have to say we have to call it time of death right now.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:32

Okay. And you know, it’s eulogy we aired out our crevices. You scurried around Paris and much like a lizard I was baking with some will picketing but now it’s fall. Okay, it’s fall. And yes, it’s means it’s Christmas.


SuChin Pak  00:55

No, we can’t do that.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:56

What? No.


SuChin Pak  00:57

We did Christmas in July. Okay. I’ll give you that I wasn’t here. You know, I was scurrying. Right. Girling in Paris. We cannot start our first fall episode. And say it’s Christmas, no, we can’t we can’t do that.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:13

We can’t. So you need a softer landing. So you want to go from rat girl summer to I don’t know raccoon girl fall.


SuChin Pak  01:21

Yeah, like, that’s an interesting one. Yeah, just like up in the garbage cans. Rolling around on freshly mowed lawns. And then I’ve been thinking about Wolverine winters from our last conversation. But yeah, I need all of those before we get into tree time.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:40

Okay, I hear that. I hear that. I hear that. But I have started shopping. I have I’m just letting know.


SuChin Pak  01:47

Decor or for present.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:49

For present for for present.


SuChin Pak  01:53

And things could be invented, like new industries could be invented between now and Christmas. And you don’t even know.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:01

Yet. Su I’m calling you right now. Much like Babe Ruth call to shot that I won’t be done with Christmas shopping by November 1.


SuChin Pak  02:10

But this is you and your crazy friends that are setting this timeline for yourself. For what why are you what what’s and then what are you going to do after Nov one? Then at that point, what you’re just you’re in your cozy PJs, feets up. Tree timing, like what is happening after Nov one.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:29

Exactly right SuChin Pak.


SuChin Pak  02:30

So you want like 90 days? You want 90 days?


Kulap Vilaysack  02:34

There’s not enough. Okay, there’s not enough. I’m tired of this heat.


SuChin Pak  02:40

What if you make a new friend on November 3,


Kulap Vilaysack  02:43

Much like Drake? No new friends? What do I need new friends for? I’m 43 years old. SuChin Pak. And by the way, I’ve already made my list. Yesterday, I sat down. I made my google doc of my Christmas list. And everyone who’s on that list, SuChin Pak. Who’s on that list? Kegon. Who’s on that list? Tiffany? Who’s on that list? Brian. Okay. None of your bitches can quit. By the way. None of your business can quit this podcast. All right, and no new people can join the team. Do you understand? This isn’t what I’m watching.


SuChin Pak  03:11

This is what I’m saying. What I’m saying is, is that there’s no juice here. You don’t I mean, you sealed it up. You and Mantzoukas sealed  up all that juice. You don’t know You don’t know what’s coming what moistness is coming November 3 through 14th, it can be squishy and gushy.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:29

I will be mushy and gushy. That’s what I’m saying, Su, I will have everything done. And while you’re scurrying with your Rat King friends, unable to move in a direct line because you all are familiar.


SuChin Pak  03:43

You’re stressing me out your, I want to wake up in the usual holiday form that I wake up in a panic and just counting down how many shipping days so now I’m just ordering from a menu. Looking at shipping dates. I can’t look at anything else. That’s what I’m filtering for. filtering for three day shipping. What do we got here? We got wool, scarves, neckties and sweats.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:14

Okay, see, and that feels comfortable to you where I actually did just break into a sweat. I have sweat on my nose right now from what you just described.


SuChin Pak  04:24

I told you earlier today. I don’t know what’s happening. I don’t want to say it. But I mean, maybe it’s perimenopause. Who knows what this menopause bullshit is? I think it’s a scam but that I do. I do think it’s a scam.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:41

We’re gonna have to circle back though to that. I understand that you don’t want to talk and.


SuChin Pak  04:42

I’m gonna say once here, menopause much like breastfeeding is a scam. There. I said it. I said it. I want you to come for me. Go ahead, set the Reddit on fire, set the Reddit on fire. I just look at all the the the products out there, specifically for menopause and I smell a scam. You know, I just smell a gummy bear like scam. You know when you just see everything from wool sweaters to recliner chairs for menopause. I think there’s just something there that doesn’t feel right. But it could be that I just feel I haven’t been sleeping but I have all this energy, but it’s only energy for things that make me angry. It’s not that time of the month. I know that there may be some dudes out there. Let our leg Whoo. No, you period no. I don’t. I am with the moon cycle bitch. I am as a regular as they come set your clocks to it. And I don’t know. I just I’ve been angry. I’ve been feisty. Anyway, let’s start this show. We’re going into fall and so there is a bit of a reset with fall. And I don’t know what’s in my cart. I got a bunch of stuff in my cart. I haven’t made up my mind and I’m gonna pull it out as a feeling it.


Kulap Vilaysack  06:11

Alright, let’s just take turns. Let’s dive into our carts.


Kulap Vilaysack  06:16

All right, Su I’ll start off I’m also I’m a little sweaty because I am on my last stop pill of steroids that I’m taking because Kuku got the vivid the Go Fei Fei the COVID this is if you’re counting the second time, this time with symptoms I was asymptomatic. I was blissfully asymptomatic before. Now I had symptoms and also a baby which gave it a different dimension.


SuChin Pak  06:50

And the baby had the Rona.


Kulap Vilaysack  06:52

Baby had the Rona Scotty had the Rona. I’m still, Eme and I are still positive at this recording time. But it was brutal. It was absolutely brutal. Remove from cart please.


SuChin Pak  07:06

Fuck COVID I do have to say there was something very sweet. We texted each other and you said you had the vid. And then you recalled? You said I it just reminds me of the time that again not to make it about me when I was stuck in a hotel. The first hotel with the kitchenette my first time with two children, the three of us with COVID. Together unable to.


Kulap Vilaysack  07:32

Back it up a little bit. It was your birthday.


SuChin Pak  07:34



Kulap Vilaysack  07:34

You were moving?


SuChin Pak  07:36

Correct entire house? Yes. Because I had COVID


Kulap Vilaysack  07:39

Yeah, Mike fled to the hills.


SuChin Pak  07:41



Kulap Vilaysack  07:41

And you are solo with the kids in a.


SuChin Pak  07:45

In and I had I had to move we had to move out of this house and moved ourselves into a hotel with a kitchenette. So we all know what those feel like. And I went into the cave. And that, by the way, is the reason why you go to Paris every year. For those that haven’t listened that far back. Go ahead.


Kulap Vilaysack  08:05

Forgotten Yeah.


SuChin Pak  08:06

I was so traumatized by that, that I vowed once I got through it that I was going to do something so radically selfish just for myself, having dealt with that, and I bought tickets to Paris anyway. So you felt it and with the baby. It’s it hits different when you’ve got kids, but thankfully she wasn’t as sick as you were.


Kulap Vilaysack  08:29

Oh, no.Yeah, I thank God and I prefer it that way. I of course grateful for that. And Scott, we did our best to try to help each other but it’s like you can’t lay down him to take care of her. That’s the thing. Their needs supersede your own.


SuChin Pak  08:48

Yeah, I remember there was that’s when Jules dropped off the Jewish comfort food.


Kulap Vilaysack  08:55



SuChin Pak  08:55

Kugel. Yeah. And because I actually was crying at the thought that I had to make another meal. I was bursting in tears. Like I just could not imagine cooking for because of the kids. Thankfully, they generally do better. And my kids were up and running in about three days. But I was out full eight days fever chills.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:19



SuChin Pak  09:20

Writing my last will and testament.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:22

Well, I mean, I’ll let you know when I’m negative. We’re not there yet.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:29

But Su, what about you?


SuChin Pak  09:31

Oh, what about me?


Kulap Vilaysack  09:32

Let’s get about some of your fall add to carts.


SuChin Pak  09:35

So I was thinking about fall add to carts. And I was thinking about, you know, this is sort of the new year, and a lot of ways it is for me. And I think a lot of people feel that way, right? Like you’re coming out of like summer, which is a whole theme. It’s a category, it’s a beast unto its own beginning middle end. Now we’re in the fall. Kids are in school, you know, you’re getting back to work, whatever. I always felt like fall was where I made some new year’s resolutions.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:04

I feel this too Su. Like, I was like, You know what, I want to hurt myself kind of speaking as if it was like, I was doing resolutions. And one of my resolutions Su just like wildly it was like, You know what? Not for the sake of anything, not for performance just for me. I’m like, I’m gonna take singing lessons.


SuChin Pak  10:22

Do it.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:23

I’m going to I’m going to call them I’m I asked Casey. Do you know anybody? Of course she does.


SuChin Pak  10:27

Fred singing Albertson.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:29

Yeah, exactly. We’re going back to school.


SuChin Pak  10:32

Yeah. But that means.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:34



SuChin Pak  10:35

Yeah. And there’s a reset button. And I don’t know in January, I’m so wrung out. But after the holidays, that I can’t even think about, like, what I don’t know what the new me is. But you still have the energy. You know what I mean? You’re not wrung out yet. It’s before all the end of the year mudslide into a coffin, and you’ve you’ve gotten hope. Maybe you’re living in a place where it’s been 102 degrees. And now you’re seeing that there’s a wind in the air. And there’s relief coming. And so there’s always a breeze. So my cart is you know, fall back in love with yourself. fall right back in love with yourself. And I saw post on the old the wise, the wise place, Instagram, where I go to get my magic eight ball. Shake it, shake it, shake it. Look for the right answer. And sometimes it takes me 14 hours. But I always get an answer. And I came across this post. And it was like, here’s how to schedule a month of self care. And I was like a month. Do we dare?


Kulap Vilaysack  11:47

Do we dare?


SuChin Pak  11:48

Do I deserve?


Kulap Vilaysack  11:49

I’m interested leaning forward.


SuChin Pak  11:51

I’m leaning forward. And I kind of went through their list. And I was like, Oh, I get it through something nice about a month. Now hear me out. Because at first you might be like, Oh, that’s a lot of time off. And I can’t take that much time off from my life. But it’s more like, here are some things in a month, spread out. So there’s less pressure for me, I can fit it in within 30 days, you know, somewhere. And so I kind of felt like, Oh, this is a nice way of looking at it not just like self care Sunday, you know, or a weekend and then that weekend, you get COVID. So like then what happens you you’ve you’ve packed your other weekend. So you have a month. And so what you do with this month is you pick however many things and you schedule them on the monthly calendar. And so this is my September, and it’s lunch or dinner with a friend.


Kulap Vilaysack  12:47

Wow. And wow, you’re coming in hot. Hot. Wow, we’re shooting for the moon. Okay, all right. I thought we were building up to something but while you’re here,


SuChin Pak  12:57

I started to listen to all these podcasts about like the number one thing to keep you from having dementia is apparently friendships got damnit. And yes, of course, I have friends. My friends don’t live here. But they said something you have to have like face to face interaction. Like it’s something about the brain. It’s something about the way that we are built. This may not be news to some, but it was unfortunate news to me. So, by the way, check that one off right away because I was like, let me get that out of the way. You know, you get your hardest one right out the way and it was lovely.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:39

Oh my god.


SuChin Pak  13:40

Had lunch with a friend.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:41

Get it out of the way. Just get it.


SuChin Pak  13:43

Got I gotta call the dentist. I got to re up my you know.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:47

To root constriction.


SuChin Pak  13:49

And I got to have lunch with a friend. And you know what? It was good? Did I come home, like a gremlin and just claw my way back into a bed any bed doesn’t matter which bed whose bed your bed my bed my child’s bed and pass out with my mouth open, as Mike said when he came into the room and was shocked that I had was dead asleep for two hours after Yes. But I also learned some stuff. And that was good for me and my brain. Another thing, some other things on my list. I realized that it may not be for everyone. 48 hours with no social media so that that weekend is coming up. That’s this weekend. One day outdoors. I did that. It’s lovely. I spent the entire day at the beach. I’m an artist state. We’ve talked about this in the artists way which is a book you guys should look into it. And so one artist eight I scheduled that. This one one day serving others I took from their list because I was like well that’s a really interesting way of putting it. And I was thinking about it and I was like oh I’m doing all this For my parents, sometimes I cook for my in laws, and it’s becoming a grind. And I thought this was a reframing of it that felt really nice that like, I’m not just slogging away at another lentil soup, you know that maybe this moment, this day, this afternoon that I slotted for serving others is intentional in a much different way.


Kulap Vilaysack  15:27

It’s gorgeous.


SuChin Pak  15:28

A lot of these things you may already be doing or thinking about doing. But when you put it in this perspective of, let’s say, a month of self care, and you label it, you know, serving others, or artists date, you know, and it has a fancy name like that. The intention changes, the energy changes the way that you do it, and how happy you’re doing it changes. Right. So I just for me, I needed that, to kind of give me a different perspective on some of this stuff. So I thought that was really good. And then a day completely to yourself.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:06

Is that possible for you to do in Santa Barbara?


SuChin Pak  16:08

No. But what I should probably modify is that I think there are no rules. And so what my role here is, is that it could be a day could be four hours, it could be half a day. Do you know what I mean? Like I said day here, but what I probably mean is an afternoon completely to myself, which is, you know, out of the house, doing exactly what I want, and that sort of thing. There’s no pressure to do an entire day, because that is not possible. And then an afternoon a day, four hours, whatever, deep cleaning an area of your house or digital organization, the thing that I had been like it had been really bothering me was my notes app. My notes app has never been expunged, deleted or organized since the invention of the Notes app.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:54

Oh, God, I’m sweating again.


SuChin Pak  16:57

I mean, there’s like, I don’t even understand half the thing. I’m like, What is brown shirt? I’m like, Just one note that says brown shirt. It doesn’t mean I have to buy a brown shirt, it means did I buy it? So there’s I mean, there’s grocery lists on there from like, 2017. So I just went through my notes up my organize everything. It just felt so good. So anyway, this is what I’m saying, you guys can do a month of self care. I thought that was a really interesting way of looking at it. Be realistic about the time, you know, so if you’re saying like, you want to really deep clean your kitchen, you can’t do that in two hours. You got to you got to a lot the right amount of time. Tell a friend Hot Tip, because guess what, it keeps you accountable. And then it doesn’t have to be a full day devoted to it, right? Because we all have lives. But it can be a certain set of hours, and then commit to it. Put it on your calendar. So that’s that was an Add to cart for me that I’m playing with this month.


Kulap Vilaysack  17:54

I love that Su.


SuChin Pak  18:05

Let’s get to your cart.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:06

All right. , well, I’m adding to cart. Oh, this week. Su we’re doing our first trip away from Eme and spending a few nights in Sedona for our anniversary. On the heels of COVID Do we dare


SuChin Pak  18:23

What do you mean that’s, that’s when you’re most that’s why that’s why I booked the trip. Because the doctor was like, jokingly was like, Well, you got six, eight months have fun. And I said excuse me. Travel. Yeah, go ahead. Do the thing.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:39

You know, I’ve been as you know, I’ve been away from her. But Scott would be home and vice versa. And this is the first time is different of us. Yeah. Which is new.


SuChin Pak  18:49

How many nights?


Kulap Vilaysack  18:50

Two nights?


SuChin Pak  18:52

Okay, two nights and who’s she going to be with who’s in charge?


Kulap Vilaysack  18:55

Gotta be with Auntie Jamie? Ah, Auntie Jamie. She’ll be with nanny during the day and Auntie Jamie the rest Auntie Jamie, a choc nurse. The Children’s Hospital of Orange County NICU nurse.


SuChin Pak  19:09

By the way, dare I say Jamie’s gonna love it. She’s looking forward to it.


Kulap Vilaysack  19:13

Jamie’s been wanting us to get out of town. Just since I don’t know since day one. She’s kept asking. I was like, I’m not ready yet. And now I don’t know I if I am ready. It’s weird.


SuChin Pak  19:27

Oh, it’s it’s gonna be a mixed bag of stream emotions for 48 hours, but you gotta do it.


Kulap Vilaysack  19:35

Because like if it was a heartbeat of like, girls trip, and Scott was home with her. That’s like, it’s a different feeling than this. But


SuChin Pak  19:44

Yeah, you still have one appendage in the pot. This is you guys are fully out of the soup.


Kulap Vilaysack  19:51

But sweating from COVID as I am on this mic right now I want to get the fuck out as well. So the Sedona of it all the reason for The season is because I think I want to say last summer, we had planned this like epic road trip.


SuChin Pak  20:06

Yeah. And you couldn’t go on it.


Kulap Vilaysack  20:08

We couldn’t go on and it was another wave of COVID. And so we bailed on everything and the kind of Airbnb that we’re staying at. It’s called the Adobe Grand Villas. They were the only ones that were like, you don’t get a refund. We’ll give you a credit.


SuChin Pak  20:25

There you are Sedona.


Kulap Vilaysack  20:26



SuChin Pak  20:27

And so Sedona it is.


Kulap Vilaysack  20:29

Sedona it is, okay. Here we go.


SuChin Pak  20:33

Love it.


Kulap Vilaysack  20:34

Keeps it simple.


SuChin Pak  20:35

Yep. Thank you for your shitty return policy.


Kulap Vilaysack  20:41

That’s right. So we’re doing Burbank to Phoenix, we’re renting a car to Sedona. So that’s like a two hour drive. We’re staying at the Adobe Grand Villas, which is like a it’s a resort. But it’s also like kind of kitschy. We’re going to be staying in the wagon wheel room that I select. I wanted the most themed room possible. And if you hit that link, so you’ll see what the wagon wheel room is.


SuChin Pak  21:07

Let me see what where does Scott know that this is the room? Please tell me he doesn’t know. Please, please. He doesn’t know he’s gonna walk into a western movie, a saloon?


Kulap Vilaysack  21:20

That’s right. I mean, he had the opportunity to know but like, even if I sent him the link.


SuChin Pak  21:26

You guys. Wait. Everything is wood carved. I’m not talking about like, Oh, it’s a hardwood floor. No, it’s a wood.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:33

Well, what’s.


SuChin Pak  21:33

Carved floor the bed was like a covered wagon, with wheels attached. And like the bedding is even faux bear for like, I’m looking at this bathroom.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:48

That’s how the water goes in. That’s a faucet.


SuChin Pak  21:50

That is actually how water goes into the tub. And a mere three inches away. Is a wood fire.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:01

Stove thing.


SuChin Pak  22:03

Wow. Wow, wait, wait, wait on the wall. Look on the wall on the wall is a framed painting of a row of cowboy boots. Oh my god, this is insane. This makes Disneyland look like amateurs? I didn’t know Brown came in this many.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:28

Shades. Yeah, yeah. We’re staying there. And I plan this trip roughly months ago. So you know, when we were deciding if this was going to happen, or if COVID was really going to sideline us completely. Scott’s completely negative, by the way, for some reasons lingering in me. But I’m certain I’ll be negative by the time, we need to go. But like roughly. And this is how I plan things in general. It gives you an insight into my antenna rays. And I liked us to go into these details because it’s such a good counterpoint to Su’s way of traveling.


SuChin Pak  23:07

No, I’m sweating.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:09

Like Scott literally does nothing. He did nothing like.


SuChin Pak  23:12

You know, it’s interesting because I hear of these kinds of couples like this is a trope. You know, I see you guys posting stuff online. And it’s like, you know, go into the zoo, to see the spotted owl, you know, that I’ve never seen or witnessed for myself in person. Because, you know, I’m not this person. And neither is Mike. So which is why we have not been traveling together for four plus years. Anyway,


Kulap Vilaysack  23:40

You’re about to hit the road real soon, though. I cannot wait.


SuChin Pak  23:44

We’ll see. He has to plan it. That’s going to be the funny part is are these wheels ever going to be greased? Are these wheels going to hit the asphalt? Or is it just going to be a show pony in our driveway? Because he’s gonna have to do the planning. And let me tell you that is not his strong suit.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:01

Really? Both of you.


SuChin Pak  24:03

Both of us. We’ve taken so many trips when we were dating. That’s all we would do. So somehow those came together and I think it was him. It has to be yes. It was definitely him. I mean, he planned our wedding. Okay, yeah, he’s got it in him. I just have not seen this skill being used.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:18

He planned your wedding?


SuChin Pak  24:20

Start to finish baby. I didn’t even go into the venue’s. It was denied, even go into the venues. I sat in the car, and he came out and said, This lobby looks good. I’m like, great. Let’s do it.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:33

Wow. It just didn’t even occur to me to give that to Scott. And I would feel that that was a gift. So these are the differences.


SuChin Pak  24:42

Because you love doing it.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I do. I do. And I.


SuChin Pak  24:48

No I didn’t even get out of the car for half of our tours. Yeah.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:52

So all for this trip. I was like, I want this easy, breezy. We’re gonna go to Burbank Burbank to Phoenix. There’s rent All cars that you can get there. We’re going to drive we already know where we’re staying. So all I need to do is like a couple of dinner reservations, and one activity in an afternoon knocked it out. So the one activity we’re doing is the outloud trail, the Arizona Safari Jeep Tour. That’s the only thing.


SuChin Pak  25:21

Hold on,  hold on the outlaw trail, explore Sedonas Western canyons region, ramble through the rugged rolling hills of Sedonas historic ranch country and explore ancient Red Rock arroyos. Okay, so you get in a jeep, and you see gorgeous things that nature.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:43

Three hours long, it’s the recommended for ages three plus, great, that’s us.


SuChin Pak  25:48

It says it’s not too rough.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:50

No, I can No, no, I get motion sickness, you know, but I want to see, I’m not going to be driving around in my rental car looking at these places. That’s not for me to get lost and die. So you know, let’s hang on.


SuChin Pak  26:03

Are you bringing snacks and a little Bevy and like, this is a beautiful retired Asian person’s dream vacation, right? It’s doing Yeah, you get welfare on wheels. This is how we saw all the national parks as children through the window of a minivan. Nobody gets out. Nobody gets hurt.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:24

Well, and then because it’s a jeep, right. It’s open air. That’s right. You’re up in it. You know, I do know that there’s no bathrooms the whole time, which is going to be interesting. There’s no There’s at the facility. There’s no bathrooms. Well, there’s,


SuChin Pak  26:37

There’s we have solutions for that solution. Yeah, that does. Yeah.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:42

And I think it’ll be pretty we’ll get to see the sights, in that see some nature, which will be great. I want to see some nature, I want to see a different landscape. And so then, I just did a bunch of like, Yelp reviews, plus Travel Advisor, reviews and like selected a couple restaurants. We’re gonna go to the Lotay Cafe one night in the Mariposa wet, uninspired grill one night and done. I don’t need to make a lunch reservation, we’ll just whatever’s around.


SuChin Pak  27:15

Look at you. loosey goosey.


Kulap Vilaysack  27:17

And Su the key for me? Yeah, my itinerary is like I just like to have plans, temples. And if we’re in a position was like, Oh, we’re here, we could do something that I know that there are options. But at the end of the day, if like the basics are covered, it’s fine. It’s not about you know, I don’t need to see everything, and everyone, truly anywhere I go. But I just want to make the most of it. And I also just like when I am boots to the ground. I don’t want to stress I like to be prepared. I’m a boy scout like that.


SuChin Pak  27:52

Now, are you the type of person where you’re on vacation, and you wake up? And you’re like, I like to know that there are things that we’re going to be doing. You know what I mean? Like, I don’t want to be wondering what’s going to happen today. You like you like to get up and go?


Kulap Vilaysack  28:11

Not necessarily like I mean, if there’s something that I want to do while I’m there. I’ll slot that in. But for me like I am 100% Somebody who hangs out at a resort and does like zero.


SuChin Pak  28:23

Yeah, that’s a beautiful drive that someone else you’re being chauffeured through the canyons is what you’re being.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:29

But the thing is, once I get to when I land, I get into my hotel SuChin first thing I have to do, I’m pack every little thing.


SuChin Pak  28:38

And you’re putting them in the drawers and like you’re laying stuff out.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:41

That’s right. And Scott’s just doing whatever he’s doing.


SuChin Pak  28:45

What does he do?


Kulap Vilaysack  28:46

He’s on the bed. He’s on his phone. He maybe the most he’ll do is he’ll unzip his suitcase. Yeah, because it to the side somewhere. Yeah. Or maybe that.


SuChin Pak  28:57



Kulap Vilaysack  29:00

Even if I was there for one night, I am unpacking everything. unzipping unzip, and zip. Placing placing new. I’m moving in.


SuChin Pak  29:10

Wow. Wow. Wow.


Kulap Vilaysack  29:12

Unsettled until I do that. Vacation hasn’t started until I do that. Then I’m chiller. Chill, chill, chill.


SuChin Pak  29:20



Kulap Vilaysack  29:23

And then when I come home, gotta unpack. My girlfriend, one month may go by that they’re back home, could care less. Not going in. Not going back in there.


SuChin Pak  29:34

I leave my my suitcase by the door. And it could be usually By day three. I’m not gonna say that day to day two. It’s wheeled, it’s wheeled into a closet, and then I forget about it. And I’m like, well, that’s your fault. You know what I mean? Like I had a little jammy croissant in there and now it’s infested with ants. cuz you shoved it into a closet and I forgotten.


SuChin Pak  30:11

So what is this sexy granny panties? Is this for you or for me?


Kulap Vilaysack  30:16

For both of us? It’s like it’s something are we adding to cart this thing? I didn’t know this existed. And then I’m on the Oracle, Instagram and our 29 is talking about these sexy granny panties. I’m like what? My ears piqued it. Could this be? The Venn diagram between Su and Ku here? We both don’t like thongs.


SuChin Pak  30:38

Let’s get bloomers on the horn. Okay, we don’t like thongs you like to be sexy?


Kulap Vilaysack  30:43

I do like Yeah, I do. I do. But you know like, I want my ass covered. I don’t you know.


SuChin Pak  30:50

Wait and I love how they call a biker short underwear, which is what I always refer to it as a slip short. Is that a mate that’s there?


Kulap Vilaysack  30:59

Well Su you don’t want to say biker short. Underwear like that they needed to rebrand it was asking t o be rebranded.


SuChin Pak  31:07

They can say lace slip short highwaisted click on I want you to click on slip shorts. So we’re both looking at the same page click on slip shorts and I want you to look at the second picture which is a woman in Lilac lace biker shorts from behind. So you just see the shadow of her crack.


Kulap Vilaysack  31:27

Now Okay, is that sexy? Maybe not.


SuChin Pak  31:31

I mean, it’s not gonna be sexy the way I’m gonna wear it and you ain’t gonna see crack you know what I mean?


Kulap Vilaysack  31:37



SuChin Pak  31:38

Like, I’m gonna have to slip something in there to keep it from calling all the warewolves.


Kulap Vilaysack  31:48

Wait, why though?


SuChin Pak  31:51

The fearfulness of what’s happening in my pants you know, calling them from the canyons down to the low lands, I’m gonna have to I’m gonna have to put on my underwear and put these over it to get you know what I mean? For it to be legal in these parts.


Kulap Vilaysack  32:16

But they’re not free. What do you wear are you wearing though? Do you have to wait.


SuChin Pak  32:20

I don’t know when I got to see what what does this look like from the front like is there you know how like when you have like a lace underwear. The crotch will be made out of cotton right like, seeing that.


Kulap Vilaysack  32:32

I see it on the left I see it definitely on the left in the pantaloon slip shorts. And the green color I do see the fabric you know the triangle creeping through the.


SuChin Pak  32:43

Maybe, that triangle aint gotta cover nothing.


Kulap Vilaysack  32:52

You’re saying that the pantalon slip shorts is not there that’s not enough.


SuChin Pak  32:58

What I’m saying is is that crotch area that they’ve you know allotted allotted Yeah, with a tighter lace weave right to capture all the goodness. That’s it. What’s nice is that who I am busting out of that.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:17

If I get you a pair, will you try them? And in the trial, we can’t be doubling up because we want a real we want a real.


SuChin Pak  33:25

I’m just looking at the proportions of this and this young lady looks like she’s hasn’t seen life. You know what I mean? Like she looks like she’s paying her tuition.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:35

They’re doing a lot of athletic posing in these pants loose slip shorts.


SuChin Pak  33:40

While the models are young. I’m telling you they’re not using, Okay, so are you doing a boy short then.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:46

I’m looking at a boy short.


SuChin Pak  33:48

That is riding high up her butt.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:51

I do like a little bit of cheek. I’m cheeky like.


SuChin Pak  33:54

Oh my Lord.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:55

I do like a little bit because the bri efs.


SuChin Pak  33:58

All right.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:59

The briefs? I get to the briefs.


SuChin Pak  34:03

Out okay.


Kulap Vilaysack  34:04

I do like a little cheek. All right. Thanks Scott would enjoy the briefs and the boys shorts I don’t I don’t know what Scott would you if I walked in the slip shorts. I’m willing to try.


SuChin Pak  34:22

I mean the fact that he’s even looking your way you know what I mean? Like I said you guys are a rom com in the flesh. There’s nothing Mike wants to do less than watch me walk into the room in my underwear be at least be a technical fabrics. Be it soft material. He didn’t want to see that show. He didn’t buy tickets to that show.


Kulap Vilaysack  34:45

I want to see the show but I want to see is you wearing these slip shorts? And then on top is a Dickies.


SuChin Pak  34:52

Yeah, I’m not I’m not going into the porn industry. I told you I’m semi retired. I don’t need a new job. But I love it. I love it. Sexy granny panties. I love that you and Annie like to push me into more aesthetically pleasing gear. I’m open to it.


Kulap Vilaysack  35:11

Mm hmm. I am going to purchase this for us. It sounds like and we are going to, we’re going to we’re going to road test these.


SuChin Pak  35:18

Road test. Like I said, the wildlife fund has to be alerted then. But I am out here in my lacy slippies Okay, you have another thing in your cart, your first pair of crocs , you traitor.


Kulap Vilaysack  35:38

I know Su. I know. Su I know. I know. Su. I know. I know. I know.


SuChin Pak  35:45

This has got to be an Instagram thing. You just gave up. You couldn’t take it anymore.


Kulap Vilaysack  35:51

There’s a couple things crocs for Eme, are so adorable. So now Scott’s got crocs me starts Okay.


SuChin Pak  35:58

So now you need crocs.


Kulap Vilaysack  36:00

So then I was like, no, no, no, but then, there’s two style influencers that we both know that have finally pushed me over. Jackie Johnson from Natch Beaut. Had a pair of pink ones that I was like, oh my god, she looks so good. So good. And then your friend Carol. She was modeling a pair that’s with like a very cool designer collab. And, and that, that these are the first time that there’s been these like collabs you know Balenciaga has. We’ve all seen that. But like, Carol’s fucking cool.


SuChin Pak  36:35

She’s cool. And her money where Oh, that’s where I look. First. She comes out and I look toe to head. I always look at her feet,


Kulap Vilaysack  36:46

but I got when you hit the link to the ones that I got. They’re not here yet. So they’ll be here in a couple days.


SuChin Pak  36:53

I don’t even know how to describe this. It’s a croc in the front. And then in the back is like a golf,raver mosh pit, sexy Halloween gal. It’s a siren studded clog. I mean, it’s a heel to heel. It’s a heel the shoe. Like are you you’re wearing this out. Like nice and a nice like you’re wearing it with a nice outfit. Like this is a I mean, I’m not going to say it could be an evening shoe. Let’s say for example.


Kulap Vilaysack  37:29

But you know I don’t I’m not doing school pickups yet, but you know, cool mom. cool  mom, right there. Wow. In her cool lots. Cool mom and I need I.


SuChin Pak  37:39

I need the full outfit of the day. We need the pic. We’re gonna put it up on the Instagram.


Kulap Vilaysack  37:46

The samething that I’m wearing my Prada, the Prada mules. I’m wearing these the siren side of Claude at a fraction of the price.


SuChin Pak  37:55

Don’t you dare go from a Prada sandal to a Croc studded clock. Don’t you dare.


Kulap Vilaysack  38:05

Look at me though, Su look at me. I mean.


SuChin Pak  38:09

I mean, what’s the I don’t know. The thing is, is crocs are one of those things where when you see pictures of it, when you see it on the shelf, you’re like, that’s the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen I’ve ever seen around and I did isn’t it make sense? Like it’s like four plus four is two. And then you see it on people. And worn correctly. You’re like, I can see that. It’s the ugly fashion that like is something so ugly that it wraps around to be cool again, which I love.


Kulap Vilaysack  38:41

Well, so I’m about to blame you and it’s a bad look for me. You know, nobody likes to be this person. But this is pure Auntie behavior. You’re the one who got me into the fucking Hocus. We is that hope is not a gateway to to this blog.


SuChin Pak  38:55

Tip reminded us it’s 1/3 Ugly dressing. It is and I’m all for it. That’s why I reserve judgment. These are not your traditional clogs. I’ve never seen anything like this. It’s like seeing a giraffe on an elephant’s body, you know, out in the wild and you’re like does it make sense? How did it get here who had sex first? What hole did you go into to create this? And so you’re gonna get it and and I gotta say.


Kulap Vilaysack  39:21

Picture. A wide legged cropped parent?


SuChin Pak  39:25

Yeah. Or like a like a gorgeous little little roomy, Slippy dress?


Kulap Vilaysack  39:30

Yeah, sure dress even. Watch me now.


SuChin Pak  39:37

So we asked you guys, what is the worst gift you’ve ever received? And this first message is from Shannon.


Shannon  39:46

Hi, add to cart pod. My name is Shannon. I heard that you were looking for bad birthday presents. My worst birthday present ever was a Kindle, which sounds like a really nice present. But let me explain. So my birthday is in November. And four months beforehand, my husband would ask, do you want to Kindle for your birthday? And I would say, No, not because we didn’t have not just because we didn’t have money for Kindle, which we did. But because I don’t like e readers, I get a lot of pleasure from reading print books. So there was no reason at all for me to have one. So I didn’t want one cut to my birthday when I get a Kindle, which was my combination birthday and Christmas present. And not only that, but since my husband couldn’t afford it on his own, he convinced my dad that I really wanted a Kindle. And so it was also my combination birthday and Christmas present from my dad, who usually gave me very good presents on his own. So I missed out on four presents to get this one thing I very explicitly said I did not want. Also, my husband took the liberty to set it up before he gave it to me with his own Amazon account, which I did not have access to. So I had asked him to download things if I wanted to read them, which I really got the chance to do because he was always borrowing it for us because we got divorced. He kept it because as he said, you never wanted it anyway. I actually have dozens of stories like this, but this is probably the most egregious one. Thanks. I love you. Bye.


SuChin Pak  41:17

Wow.The thing about it is, is it’s just the missing out on for you know, because presents our love language between Ku and I this show. I’m assuming everyone listening, because why would you even stick around if presents weren’t your love language? Oh, to have missed out on four? Is that hurt? I felt it.


Kulap Vilaysack  41:45

Well, he bought something for him.


SuChin Pak  41:48

And by the way, I’m okay with that. I bought a glass pitcher as we all known.


Kulap Vilaysack  41:52

I know, but my not that being gaslit.


SuChin Pak  41:55

But I’m not convincing others and taking away so that you can have this. Thank you, Shannon for sharing that. And we’d love to hear some of your other stories. Because I mean, why not?


Kulap Vilaysack  42:07

I mean, honestly, she had and that story is like if anyone asked you Oh, why did you guys get a divorce? That I think that simple tale probably encapsulates a lot.


SuChin Pak  42:17

Exactly. And I love that you can start off with because of a Kindle. And then the journey that you go on with that because at first you’re like, not so sure that that oh, yeah, that’s burned to the ground. Leave no bodies behind. Get out of there.


Kulap Vilaysack  42:34

It’s so weighted by what’s not said the details.


SuChin Pak  42:37

The other tails. That’s right.


Kulap Vilaysack  42:39

The other novels contained in that Kindle, I know are vast, heavy, dusty.


SuChin Pak  42:46

Kindles a triggering thing. Okay, this next message is from Gina. Let’s hear what Gina had to say.


Gina  42:53

Hi, my name is Gina, I’m calling to tell you about the absolute worst gift that I’ve gotten. It was from my brother. And the reason it was so bad was because of what the previous year’s gift was. So to set the scene, I was a struggling grad student in New York City in 2010, making $30,000 a year trying to live in a studio apartment. And one year my brother gave me a very, very generous gift of $5,000. And the next year, he gave me a laundry bag with backpack straps. And he wanted the same reaction to the laundry bag with backpack straps, so that I could more easily carry my laundry to the basement of my building wasn’t a very big building. I didn’t need to carry it that far. I wasn’t lugging it across town. But he just thought that this was the best thing that he’d ever bought me. And it was way too big. And I never ever used the backpack straps. Yeah, so that’s the worst gift I’ve ever gotten. But it makes a great story. Thanks for all you do, ladies.


SuChin Pak  44:08

It’s always a setup, right? It’s the setup for the aftermath. It’s never the thing, you know, it’s just, it’s just a laundry bag with straps. She never hurt no one. You know, and in some worlds, that’s a welcome gift. It’s a practical gift.


Kulap Vilaysack  44:25

But you know, you get five grand and you you want that to be the new normal.


SuChin Pak  44:31

That expectation.


Kulap Vilaysack  44:32

Yeah. And he didn’t realize that within that laundry bag with the back straps. That inside would be heartbreak.


SuChin Pak  44:40

And she can’t carry that. Too much break. She’s a dainty she’s a dainty soul Gina and she can’t that’s tough. That’s a that’s a heavy lift off.


Kulap Vilaysack  44:49

But at the same time, Gina, you know, it’s hard. It’s just like, I’m hearing it too. And it’s like, you know, life is is is a sum. It’s a sum game. You know what I’m saying? It’s like, I think so. Oh,


SuChin Pak  45:00

Now when it comes to gift giving.


Kulap Vilaysack  45:02

You think you really,really.


SuChin Pak  45:05

I guess in some ways, it’s a sum, but for some reason, every year, I start with a blank slate of hope. And I say, let’s forget what happened last year, nothing. And let’s hope this year is a fantastic present.


Kulap Vilaysack  45:22

Right? So as it pertains to you, I was thinking maybe the sum is like maybe all the gifts you get from other people.


SuChin Pak  45:32

Right? No, I’m taking I’m.


Kulap Vilaysack  45:33

Yeah, you’re really taking literal? Yeah, you’re doing you’re taking names.


SuChin Pak  45:37

Checking it twice. Let me enter that into this year’s quarterly annual earnings report. Zero.


Kulap Vilaysack  45:47

Still in the red. All right. Su, this last message is from a friend who has a question for you.


Kim  45:58

Okay, so So I have to learn to train my body to sleep on my back. There’s just too much evidence about less bags lined face. smushes wrinkles, too many things. Oh, chest wrinkles. I mean, no one should be sleeping on their side anymore. I can’t do it. I need tips tricks. I’ll buy any products, pillows, props. What is it going to take? Help me figure it out.


SuChin Pak  46:31

This is from my dear friend and listener of the pod since minute one, Kim.


Kulap Vilaysack  46:38

Sorry, Kim.


SuChin Pak  46:39

So, so she wants to sleep on her back. Now. I actually she sent me this message to play on the pod. I got her permission to do that. And I’ve been looking I’ve been looking for, you know, like gadgets and pillows and that sort of thing.


Kulap Vilaysack  46:55

Are you a back sleeper?


SuChin Pak  46:56

I’m not.


Kulap Vilaysack  46:57

Oh, I’m a back sleeper. So.


SuChin Pak  46:59

There you go.


Kulap Vilaysack  47:00

I don’t know how to help though. Because I’ve always been a back.


SuChin Pak  47:02

Oh, you’ve always been a back sleeper. Now, what’s your pillow situation like?


Kulap Vilaysack  47:07

There are two that are mine. But I only use one that’s not super fluffy. That I actually sleep.


SuChin Pak  47:14

Okay. So I kind of have been experimenting, trying to sleep on my back. And I’m not, that’s not true. I’m a side sleeper. But I’m also I move around a lot at night, you know, up and down, blah, blah.


Kulap Vilaysack  47:27

So that’s why you have to wear the performance fabric that you do.


Kulap Vilaysack  47:30

I got to work hard, I gotta work it hard.


Kulap Vilaysack  47:31

That’s right, like Usain Bolt, but you are in your bed.


SuChin Pak  47:32

And sorry, clocking in my hours. Let’s just say if I were tracking my, on my pedometer, I would be climbing mountains between the hours of 8pm and 2am. I think for me, the only thing that has worked is pillow placements. And I’m talking pillows and placements. So a minimum of four pillows is needed for this or a really long maternity pillow. Do you know what I’m talking about that pillow that’s like almost like a warm and it wrap, you can literally it’s so long, you can wrap it around, right? Like a full circle. Okay?


Kulap Vilaysack  48:16

Steffi Baik, when she came on.


SuChin Pak  48:18

Right, was talking about that, but how comfortable they were. So I think that that will also work. But basically, what you’re trying to do is get into a U shape. So you’ve got pillow under your knees, two pillows for your arms at the side. And then you’re a pillow for your head neck. And the trick is to elevate your knees and your head just enough that you’re not moving, but not so much that you’re out of alignment. Does that make sense? Because I’ve tried to sleep on my back with my head flat on my pillow, and a rollover. Something about elevating it and in that shape like this keeps me from moving out of it, if that makes sense. So like ideally, so it’s a minimum of four pillows, or you can use that big maternity pillow. The thing I’ve been doing is I’ll get two towels and I’ll put them underneath the foot pillow. And then my head pillow because the two pillows is too high, because then you’re just cranked up too high. And you’re getting a crick in your neck. But just like a folded towel underneath the pillows will give me a little bit more lift than just the pillow so I’m not flattening myself into a flat line is the only way.


Kulap Vilaysack  48:20

Where was that, that the bean pillow been at this time?


SuChin Pak  49:09

It’s on top of the towel.


Kulap Vilaysack  49:16

Copy that. Alright.


SuChin Pak  49:16

Yeah. So it gives me a little bit more lift. And then for really extra insurance is the side pillows. That’s the only way I’ve been able to sleep on my back and stay on my back. It’s a lot of pillows. It’s a lot of placement, but you kind of want to like cocoon yourself into a U shape. right to keep from rolling over is the only way that I’ve been able to do it. Ku you’ve been a back sleeper maybe that’s why your skin looks the way it looks. Not a wrinkle to be found. Not a pore pore like she’s pore less.


Kulap Vilaysack  50:15

I mean I gotta say all the water is drinking during my COVID sweat I was like skin looks great.


SuChin Pak  50:23

That’s good. She’s a back sleeper baby.


Kulap Vilaysack  50:27

Well listeners please DM us let us know what you do, to make sure that if you’re unnatural back like Back Sleeper How did you get how did you train yourself to be a back sleeper? We need to know.


SuChin Pak  50:40

That’s all I. No you.


Kulap Vilaysack  50:44

Now here we go. That’s all for today’s episode you can find everything we talked about. On our Instagram. Add to Cart pod, Bye.


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