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Kulap Vilaysack, SuChin Pak

Kulap Vilaysack  00:10

Carters, welcome back. It’s your favorite aunties. I’m Kuku Vilaysack.


SuChin Pak  00:14

And I’m auntie SuChin Pak.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:18

Su, as you know, it is Women’s History Month, and in three days it will be International Women’s Day. Personally, I think there should be a theme song played every time I walk into a room this entire month.


SuChin Pak  00:31

Yeah, it could be the theme song of this podcast. In fact, you know.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:34

It could be anything like that.


SuChin Pak  00:36

We can get those JBL speakers out that Willow Smith uses remember when Jada talked about? Yeah, just Jada Pinkett Smith in case you’re wondering who we’re talking about.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:47

Yeah, it’s good that you use her full name, Su that was I think a lot of people were confused.


SuChin Pak  00:52

I mean, to me, she’s JJ, Jada Queen, Jado, Jada lady.


Kulap Vilaysack  00:58

Why is it so awkward coming out of your mouth.


SuChin Pak  01:01

Because I’m awkward. But you know what’s not awkward? Is we’re about to get in today to celebrate Women’s History Month we get what 30 days, officially on the books, but for us, come on now. It’s Women’s History year, every day of the week. We’re always uplifting women owned brands. You know, it’s just something in our DNA so to speak, pun perhaps intended. And so we’re going to bring you some women owned brands today that we haven’t talked about on the show.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:34



SuChin Pak  01:34

Right? And just talk about our femaleness. You know, the, the Yoni that screams in our pants that roars in our loins. Kulap, don’t, why are you giggling like a virgin? You have seeded this monster and I’ve grown into my.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:53

Anytime you speak in this manner. I’m just so thrilled. I loved growing old with you SuChin Pak, I love to watch us you more than anybody. Allow yourself to be sanded in the way that you have to let those edges become curves.


SuChin Pak  02:14

The thing is, is that you have allowed me to be nasty.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:18

Oh, what a high compliment you know honestly that’s what I’m talking about for internationals Women’s Day. It’s this plus oh boy, we’re gonna dive into you guys have heard girl math. When given oh, my purchasing supports other women given me the sort of righteous flag to add to cart too? Whoa, man.


SuChin Pak  02:44

It’s also the Venn diagram of Auntie math. Women’s History Month math. It’s the black card. It’s limitless. There’s no credit limit.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:55

This is why I can’t go on cash cuties. Okay, let’s get into our carts. Okay, Su, let’s begin with you.


SuChin Pak  03:06

Okay, let’s begin with me. I don’t know if we have a women’s theme song here. But let’s play it, let’s play it for the era that I am in now, we have talked about how I’m just getting weirder and weirder. We’ve talked about my sort of like, you know, what did we say it was like an art curator fashion vibe. I am squarely sitting on as we launch into women’s history month, the clown era of fashion and I don’t think I’m not sure that people really have embraced clown-ism as a fashion concept. And what do I mean by clown era.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:51

I don’t know, I don’t know it because I’m like, is it makeup?


SuChin Pak  03:55

No. Yeah, okay, so clown era is giant proportions. Clown era is using maybe a belt to cinch it because it’s so big. And that’s exactly how you bought it, not by mistake.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:09

I mean, sis, now that now we’re talking about dress and Lala territory? I understand.


SuChin Pak  04:15

Yes, you do. This is sister to endorphin dressing. This is sister to art curator, clown arrows right there. She’s the third. And I have noticed that I have been moving into this era for quite a while now. And now with this recent purchase. I said, yeah, the purchase that I made at the Frankie shop women founded is this Cliff Denim Hoodie. Maybe it’s a men’s hoodie. It doesn’t matter. The gender is a construct.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:48

I don’t see these things at all like.


SuChin Pak  04:51

In fact, I am more likely in this era to browse the men’s category first and then and see if there’s something in the women’s category for me, because I’m much happier with this.


Kulap Vilaysack  05:04

Yeah, so we are so far away from what they call body con.


SuChin Pak  05:08

No, no, we’re talking about liberated women.


Kulap Vilaysack  05:12

Okay, I just I want to flag that. You are dressing yourself how I dress me. I just just want to flag that. And I love it.


SuChin Pak  05:23

Yeah, like, it could be a child era. Clown era child era. Like, yeah, that works too. So this is a cliff denim hoodie. Warren wash 238 USD. And I could have worn it for you today but I was like, you’re not gonna see it sitting down. It goes almost to my knees. It is a denim hoodie, it is so beautiful. I’ve worn it a few times and traffic stopper.


Kulap Vilaysack  05:52

Are you wearing him with your crocs? That’s what it would look great. I would sail them with your crocs.


Kulap Vilaysack  05:57

Now you’re in your mind, listener you’re not on our Instagram although you should be because all of our visuals are there. You’re thinking pockets, okay, like normal hoodie pocket. These are, if you can imagine satchel. Yes, that show satchels and in the back as well, so that she could put her oats in the back. Her horse could follow behind feed as she moves into the Santa Barbara streets.


SuChin Pak  05:57

I have some pants that I’ve been wearing with this with the crocs which are clown shoes. They might as well squeak. They might put a squeaker in there and like me, I will be squeak squeak squeaking around town. Now the thing about this hoodie also the clown era is the giant clown sighs pockets pockets that go all around the midsection, in to the back.


SuChin Pak  06:52

That’s right, or this weekend. I most recently award on the Santa Barbara art block that happens every Sunday where artisans and craft tears sell their wares. And I stopped by a pottery stand naturally. And I bought these small little ceramic sponge holders. And he was like, oh, I don’t know if I have enough bubble wrap for this. I was like, don’t worry. I bought five of them, and I put four in my pockets. And then I just held one. Each pocket is the size of a small tote bag.


Kulap Vilaysack  07:27

Yeah, that’s right. That’s what I’m saying. What did Mike Bender say when you first put this on?


SuChin Pak  07:34

I believe there was a spit take and just silence. I believe he was slurping on one of his mushy oatmeal concoctions. And I said toodaloo I’m off to the Art Fair. So there’s that I’m matching it with this is not necessarily women owned, but we love this brand, Everlane.


Kulap Vilaysack  07:56

Love Everlane.


SuChin Pak  07:58

Now this is a shape of a gene that you know you could find out a very high fashion brand like top 10, or maybe even the row it’s been popping off for the past few years. It’s like the horseshoe shaped Jean Have you seen this trend?


Kulap Vilaysack  08:14

Yeah, don’t may call it barrel isn’t that could be called barrel.


SuChin Pak  08:18

I think you know horseshoe barrel.


Kulap Vilaysack  08:20



SuChin Pak  08:21

And so I have been eyeing this silhouette for a while and I’m like I’m not gonna pay 400, $500 for this. And then Everlane came out with the way high curve gene for 128 bucks. And when I tell you this is the perfect clown era Jean. They’re so beautiful. I have them in black. I have them in the dark wash. It’s enough clown right at the mid leg section. But you know, you still have a but for those that care about that I’ve moved way beyond that. And it’s just a perfect silhouette. So you match this with the clown denim hoodie with squeaky crocs. And you know, you’re just what you’re saying to the world is.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:13

I don’t give a fuck.


SuChin Pak  09:14

I don’t give a fuck but also move along. Also, I’m 50, also, I know I know, but I’m just saying I’m projecting that ahead of I can’t wait to turn 50 I feel like the 50 is just gonna give me public permission. You know to be whatever I want to be.


SuChin Pak  09:40

Okay, I love that, I love that.


SuChin Pak  09:42

So that’s my clown era. Add that to cart you guys you guys have to see these gorgeous clothing items on our Instagram.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:49

Tiffany shared with us which is even more of a horseshoe from free people. And it’s a we the free Good luck mid rise barrel jeans. That’s even more pronounced Su, and at a cheaper price point, so flagging that 98 bucks.


SuChin Pak  10:06

The thing is Tiff and I are about 200 years apart. And yet for some reason, it’s almost like Ruiz reincarnated into the same person. She understands my cart, and Tiff if you’re looking at me and thinking, this could be my future, I apologize, uh, you can do better and you are going to do better. So don’t be scared, and I appreciate this. And I will be diving into the.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:32

You can, you can love and appreciate a cautionary tale you can respect and hold close up a future you don’t want at the same time, you know, like that’s the thing we are all things. We’ve said that from day one. She’s so terrified.


SuChin Pak  10:55

Well, as we’ve been saying, it is International Women’s month and day this week. And that means it’s all about the spirit of being enough, as we are here here. That’s right, we as women need to acknowledge how far we’ve come how far we have to go collectively. And underneath all of the societal pressures and experiences we have. Is this underlying belief we need to start with, we are worthy as we are.


Kulap Vilaysack  11:27

Yes, sir, Jim put it on a sign. I love it. It feels like such a central part of what we’re keeping in our carts this year. I mean, we started this year of the pod with none other than the legendary Jada Pinkett Smith.


SuChin Pak  11:40

That’s right, I mean game changer for us. I felt so seen in that conversation, especially when she talked about the moments of feeling capable and confident in her abilities. And this is why we’re sitting down talking about it today because it also applies to our finances. And money is a topic that I know a lot of us don’t want to talk about. Because we often feel like when we’re talking about money, we don’t have enough of it or the treatment that we deserve around it. And we just want to change that conversation. Which is why we’re so proud to tell you about one of our sponsors discover we’re so happy to have them onboard with ATC to show us how we are enough just as we are now discover


Kulap Vilaysack  12:24

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SuChin Pak  12:44

Yeah, everyone is a VIP, you know what’s discover? I have their discover it Cashback Card, you know, and when I was looking for a credit card, I knew I wanted to have like a cash back program that was strong. Because I have a lot of cards and there’s so many cards out there that I didn’t want necessarily one that focused on miles or points. You know, I just needed a really good Cashback Card. And that’s why I made this choice.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:11

Yeah, discover is all about the cashback. They even have unlimited cashback match for all new card members. So that means they’ll match all the cashback you’ve earned at the end of your first year. That’s essentially doubling your cashback and doing the spending you would regularly do. And there’s no limit to how much is matched.


SuChin Pak  13:28

The Cashback is what hooked me. And by the way, if you’re interested in learning more, you can check out their Cashback match terms at But you know Ku, now that I’ve been a customer for a while, I know that I’ve made the right choice with the Discover because they are so good at their customer service.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:46

It makes a huge difference regardless of what the business is doing. And you know, when businesses are highlighting their service, they have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. That’s why I discover offers 24/7 Live US based customer service to all of your current members. When you call 1-800 discover you can talk to a real person from their customer service team day or night. Certain services may require specialists who are not always available, but their customer service team is there to help answer your questions at any time.


SuChin Pak  14:13

Okay, Kulap, I’m gonna tell you from experience how this worked for me. So say you’re traveling abroad, say you’re in Paris, say one is in Paris. This is where I just knew I had the right card. And I’m not gonna get into all the shenanigans because we have many episodes about my trips to Paris. Okay, but on my last trip to Paris, I didn’t even I don’t even know if I told you this. But let me just say when your BFF gets her wallet stolen, because you’re so busy.


Kulap Vilaysack  14:46

You didn’t bring this up.


SuChin Pak  14:47

So busy frantically trying things on. And so the wallet was stolen, we discovered and you have to start getting really creative because you’re not going to stop shopping. Okay, and so I’m not going to tell you how creative we got. But let’s just say I had to call customer service to answer some questions around where were my boundaries. You know what I mean? And we had to figure that out, because we only had my wallet. And for the rest of our trip, let me just let me just lay that there.


Kulap Vilaysack  15:19

These are the facts, these are the factor, okay.


SuChin Pak  15:22

And so, so I call customer service we shoot the woman was wonderful on there. And she laid it out, we had a game plan and we just without really missing a beat went back to buying more giant hats and striped shirts. It was like as if it was so fast. You know, we have such a short amount of time there.


Kulap Vilaysack  15:43

He barely missed a beat.


SuChin Pak  15:44

Barely missed a beat all this to say that we all should get the services and rewards for what we naturally do and who we naturally are. This is who I am, okay? And that is enough. I am enough, this is enough. This version of myself is enough. Discover doesn’t want their customers to feel like they have to be something they’re not. It’s the opposite. They want customers to say we feel seen and appreciated. They don’t want you to jump through hoops. We are enough, and we already do enough, thank you.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:19

That’s right, yes, yes Su, it might not be a revolutionary concept, but it’s finally the treatment we all deserve. No matter who you are. You’ll feel special with Discover checkout terms at apply.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:39

Oh, Su I want to make sure for this episode, I bring forth something new. And this was kind of one of the first episodes where I was like, I’m gonna do some research. Tiffany we just brought her up gave me a an amazing article which she will share the head 250 Women on brands and I had just a glorious day going through finding new pics and one of them was Posh Peanut. This is this is we’re in Emi world, I’m in […] quite frankly, I’m in Emmys world.


SuChin Pak  17:16

Do you find that when you’re shopping for your kids? And I use that and heavy quotes. It’s not real money because I feel that way.


Kulap Vilaysack  17:23

Yeah, well, this is a kin to, you know, providing her shelter and food she needs to be clothing. These are her legs. She says, so Posh Peanut was founded in 2011 by Fiona Sahakian. She was working as a hairdresser, but then the 2008 recession, jeopardize her ability to provide her family so she started a new business and so this is kids stuff, clothing and accessories for children with a little a pair for adults. And then stuff for like nurseries, right? So like, let me see about this. And in the Aquaman household right now we are out of the era of the footie onesie and very much into the two piece set.


SuChin Pak  18:05

Nothing like a little munchkin and a two piece set. I love those dark piece sets.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:12

With that belly and that the the diaper booty. I mean, it’s just too much, it’s too much, it’s so cute. So there’s a Hello Kitty collab.


SuChin Pak  18:24

Go Posh Pen.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:25

Where there’s a Hello Kitty. Yeah, I’m like we’re gonna get this Hello Kitty two piece. Adorable spring classic pajama set. It’s viscose bamboo. It’s Posh Peanut, it’s not cheap peanut.


SuChin Pak  18:40

And this is $46.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:41

It’s $46, that’s right. I spent $46


SuChin Pak  18:46

It’s a collector’s item it’s a no I went too far. I need to go back it’s a.


Kulap Vilaysack  18:52

I mean this this will go to maybe it goes to Frankie Caps maybe it goes to New Baby Lapkus we have a stream that this stuff goes through so it lasts way longer when me grows out of it, I also want to flag that they have a Lisa Frank collab and I considered it I considered it no.


SuChin Pak  19:12

What about this tool ruffle knee high socks. Can we please?


Kulap Vilaysack  19:18

Oh gray.


SuChin Pak  19:24

I need to add this to cart for every child in my life.


Kulap Vilaysack  19:31

No, I didn’t even I know there. Because where I went I am not afraid of a mommy and me moment when the items correct?


SuChin Pak  19:43

Hell yeah.


Kulap Vilaysack  19:44

And look, maybe there’ll be a time when it doesn’t give her a thrill thus giving me a thrill who had the thrill first it’s hard to say chicken and egg chicken oh.


SuChin Pak  19:54

She so she loves it when she sees you and she thinks it’s hilarious, she’s.


Kulap Vilaysack  19:59

When, we’re no, she’s just so happy when we’re wearing the same things. So, so I purchased some matching jammas some jammies and I am getting a woman’s Lux sleep shirt in the print that they call Nikki Danielle, which is a very romantic large floral pinks and whites, the flowers but the background is sort of an Aquamarine. And that of course matches her two piece set in the same pattern.


SuChin Pak  20:29

Now just as curiosity when you come out holding your baby daughter in your Nikki Danielle print pajama with her and her Nikki Danielle, pajamas set, and you both come walking down the stairs for breakfast or lunch or whatever. And let’s say let’s say a Scott Aukerman is sitting there. What is his reaction?


Kulap Vilaysack  20:51

I don’t know. We haven’t bought it yet. It hasn’t arrived.


SuChin Pak  20:55

But you haven’t done a mommy and me matching moment yet in front of him?


Kulap Vilaysack  20:58

We’ve done we’ve done dresses, we had matching dresses from Ivy and Co we had matching Christmas. Yeah, dresses. And this is a little dark of funeral dresses.


SuChin Pak  21:12

That you did matching funeral dresses? Okay, I’m gonna let that sit. Right where it.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:24

Wasn’t gonna bring it up, but then I didn’t stop. I just kept going, and I knew it. I knew when I brought that up, it was like not right but.


SuChin Pak  21:35

His father would have been so tickled pink and loved it to see you too in matching dresses.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:43

Or you know, it’s also not great to say that I got a lot of compliments from the family.


SuChin Pak  21:49

Well, again, you’re just taking that ball a little farther past the endzone.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:54

I can’t stop.


SuChin Pak  21:58

So let’s just say he won’t bat an eyelash, because once you’ve done the matching funeral outfits, everything from there just fades into this is how it is.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:10

It’s funny because like, I don’t involve Scott, with anything about my like appearance or ladies are not really a part of it. I don’t even lock it or you know. It’s so just for me and her now. And now it’s her now that I don’t even. It’s just the same, it’s not on my radar.


SuChin Pak  22:36

So I mean, Mike still has reactions, though. But it just it has no bearing on my mood or demeanor.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:46

Hmm. Speaking of let’s talk about if you have a big announcement.


SuChin Pak  22:52

I have a really big announcement, and I thought what better day than then today as we launch into the celebration of women of our Nethers and our tethers. I want to invite you to my party, the party that is here now. And I opened the doors. And here we are I am in my perimenopause, or as my doctor says it’s just menopause honey party.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:21

Well, wait, hold on, really?


SuChin Pak  23:23

Can you believe that? I took the blood test. And the markers are there that I don’t remember what the name of the hormones are. But you can take a blood test. And if you’ve got elevated markers in these particular hormones, I’m going to quote my doctor who I love. Okay, shocked Dr. Kelly McCann. And I said, Oh, how does that work? How do you know that those you know hormones tell you how this works. And she’s like, oh, well, you know, they’re the hormones that every woman releases to sort of wake up your ovaries. But if you’ve got an elevated marker in these hormones, it means that they’re yelling and they’re screaming, but they have to scream so much louder to get any reaction from your ovaries. I was like, okay, that’s, thank you. And I said so so it’s perimenopause. And she was like, it’s menopause. I don’t know what the parry is. It’s menopause, you’re in menopause. And so she took that away from me, didn’t mind.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:15

So you’re imperii before and now we’re just in menopause.


SuChin Pak  24:21

I think her argument is like she’s more like it’s all menopause. perimenopause, menopause phase. I was like, you need to soften. Everybody needs a parry. You can’t go straight into Meno.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:37

Yeah, I’m having a reaction right now.


SuChin Pak  24:40

I was when the train has stopped. Yes, Perry is like the train is slowing down, right? And so like you need that slow down, you can’t go straight into a heartbreak. So it is official, this is something that I have intuitively kind of felt for the past a year. But if you look up symptoms of perimenopause or menopause, the symptoms are crazy. They’re like, fabric makes you itchy, your toenails are falling off, you’re hot, you’re cold, it’s an infinite list. There’s so many bizarre symptoms that go into menopause. So I kept thinking this past year, like, I don’t know, maybe I’m having these symptoms, because whatever, you know, like, but now it’s official, I’ve got the blood tests, okay, I’m officially moving into this category, my doctor has moved me into this category moved me very quickly into this category. And so here I am, and I just, I want to really embrace it, I want to talk about it. I don’t exactly know how I feel about it yet.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:48

That’s okay.


SuChin Pak  25:49

But it’s here, and we’re gonna work through the emotions together. One of the things that in this blood test, that she also is like this is very common in perimenopause is that your adrenals are tired, these were her medical, I put that in quotes on the document, because that’s what she said. And it can very well be hormone related.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:13

But we could have also diagnosed.


SuChin Pak  26:15

Oh, yeah, for sure, but now with this lens, you know, it’s just like, everything feels like I have to add to cart now. And now I have a mission, you know. And so she said, well, your adrenals could be more tax. And this is for anyone that doesn’t have adrenal fatigue, like I have had on and off throughout the years, but if you’re feeling more tired, the one of the reasons is because because these hormones aren’t being produced in the amount that they’re being produced, your adrenals are having to work harder, so instead of the hormones, now you’re pumping out more adrenaline in order to get you to the same energy level, whereas before those hormones were keeping you going. If those aren’t there, then your adrenals kick in, and so a lot of times women going through this have adrenal tiredness, as she would call it. So one of the very simple ways to support your adrenals is by vitamin C. It’s so simple. And like, you know, an average dose of vitamin C, I looked it up, it’s like what was maybe like 75,000 milligrams a day, you know, is something around there. But when you’re in menopause, or perimenopause, it’s more like you have to be consuming 2 to 4000. You know, milligrams a day, it’s a lot more vitamin C. And I’m not gonna get into because you guys can do the work. And also, I’m not a doctor about how bioavailable your vitamin C is. But the thing that works for me, is when I take a vitamin C that’s like derived from food, I feel like I’m absorbing it in my body better. Now, this is a just a powder. It’s a camo powder. I think camels like a berry, you know, like a cranberry or something and they dry it and they make it into a powder. And you can put it in your anything, you don’t eat it, you can put it in your oatmeal, your shakes, whatever you want. I just put it in water and throw it back.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:07

I’ve never heard of this. This is like so new to me.


SuChin Pak  28:10

You know, when you’re talking about supplementsand vitamins. It’s uh, oh, Lord, you know who has the scientific degree, if any of that is being absorbed in your body, you just don’t know. And so generally, I have found that when I’m talking to doctors, functional medicine folks and nutritionists, as much as you can, if you can get your supplements in like food based products, your body naturally is going to absorb that better. So that’s just like a hot tip.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:38

So camo is a tart cherry like super berry from the Amazon. It’s got an incredible antioxidant profile, including more vitamin C than any other food on Earth. So one teaspoon provides 10 times more vitamin C than an orange, do your research, but that’s interesting.


SuChin Pak  28:57

No, I feel like oh, this is working for me better. I’ve tried capsules, I’ve tried powders, and this feels better. And then before I let you go, I think I’ve talked about this on our newsletter. If you aren’t sign up for our newsletter, then I’m questioning what you’re doing here but it’s linked in our bio. It’s a service called Midi health. Midi health is like one of these like online medical services, and you meet with a nurse practitioner and they sort of walk you through like a list of, you know, symptoms that indicate that you are in perimenopause. This was a really great place. If you’re like, I’m not gonna go to a hormone doctor. I don’t know about this. It’s just was like a very easy thing to do to sign up and have a conversation with a nurse practitioner whose sole emphasis is on women’s Hormonal Health and menopause. And we went through you know, in our session all of my symptoms when I I tell you PMS rage. And I, of course know what your elevated emotions around PMS but I’m talking about like, whoa, like this is a person I’ve not seen before brain fog which I’ve had before but it’s like to a point where I’m not tired and I still have brain fog. You know, I’m used to brain fog around like, Oh, I haven’t slept. But even if I’m slept, and I feel really good I’m still it’s so slow. And another symptom that I’ve been having and these again crazy weird symptoms is I’ve been getting Charley horses in the middle of the night.


Kulap Vilaysack  30:34

So painful, I’ve had those in the past.


SuChin Pak  30:36

Good luck getting back to sleep after that.


Kulap Vilaysack  30:38

No, it’s so it’s excruciating.


SuChin Pak  30:41

So anyway, so we talked about all these things. And she said, I think you really are, you know, do given your age, given your symptoms. And so I she gave me the lowest dosage of an estrogen patch. It’s like a sticker you put on your body, and then a progesterone pill, which kind of it balances out making sure you don’t have too much estrogen.


Kulap Vilaysack  31:01

This is take me back to my IVF days.


SuChin Pak  31:05

So you, you know, you know a little bit how all these hormones work. And now, so when you get into these conversations, you’ll sort of understand some of this language better than I did, I was like.


Kulap Vilaysack  31:18

No, probably not. So you’re both getting dry skin and cold flashes, not hot flashes?


SuChin Pak  31:25

So the hot flashes are less of a thing for me, although I am experiencing elevated temperatures at night, which is very unusual for me. As you all know, I run very cold. But the thing that I’m curious about asking anyone who’s listening is just anybody gets these crazy cold flashes is what I’m calling it, where I’ll be fine. And then something a little draft or I’ll just get a little chill and then it’s off to the races. So just as much as your body can’t cool down when you have a hot flash. I cannot warm up in a cold flash, and it’s to the point where it’s like, almost like my body is uncontrollably shaking like spazzing cold.


Kulap Vilaysack  32:09

Oh no.


SuChin Pak  32:09

The only time I’ve ever experienced any of this, which is really interesting is when I was pregnant.


Kulap Vilaysack  32:15

Well now yeah, these hormones okay.


SuChin Pak  32:17

I was like the last time I had a charley horse I was pregnant. But one of the things that I’ve been really fighting especially in this winter time is just my skin is so dry, and I run dry skin, but my body skin to the point where it’s just I know this is gross, but like when I’m wearing like black sweats or whatever, I see my skin inside the sweats. Like I’ve never experienced that kind of dryness. Like it’s flaking off it’s so dry.


Kulap Vilaysack  32:47

You’re like, you are going through the change as they say you are a lizard molting, is that correct? No birds molds and lizard shed, oh wow.


SuChin Pak  32:57

I like to consider myself more of like a like a rattlesnake what? You’re shedding? And so a while ago they were partners of ours and sponsors of the show, it’s a brand called WomenNests. I was looking for something and I was like wait a minute, what is this? It’s called the work smoothing all over body cream hydrates and tones crepey skin with highly clear seven and niacinamide optimizes skin moisture elasticity. I was like this kind of sounds like what I need and so I crack this baby open Kulap.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:33

Wow, game changer.


SuChin Pak  33:36

The thing I like about this and body cream is I think more tricky than even face cream to find. Because it’s everything so you know, do you want a scent? Do you not want a scent? Do you want a tacky feel? I’m more picky around body cream. So this is it, the thing I hate the most about body cream number one when it doesn’t work. And then that’s annoying but number two is when you’re still feeling it in the webs of your fingers. Do you know I’m talking about are you using just tacky stickiness? That’s like sometimes it just it’s like it’s still in the webs of your fingers and all day long. I’m like yeah, I hate that feeling. This doesn’t have that and I love that I can’t wait to buy so much of this. And it just absorbs so fast, I just I love it.


Kulap Vilaysack  34:23

That’s amazing.


Kulap Vilaysack  34:32

So, in the Alyssa tip gave me was another Emmys world purchase, SammyandNat completely new to me Su, but gosh darn it when I kit that website to be in the midst of a biannual warehouse sale, oh SuChin Pak.


SuChin Pak  34:54

And all I see clearance starting at $5.


Kulap Vilaysack  35:01

SuChin Pak, I have all the links provided to you but I’ve screen grabbed my order so that you could both have the visuals and the price. I got a bunch of stuff for five bucks. This is Auntie girl math students so excited.


SuChin Pak  35:17

I’m here though, I’m here on the periphery but I’m really honed in on this SammyAndNat warehouse sale.


Kulap Vilaysack  35:25

Look I’m excited. I’m hoping for the best it’s on its way I added to cart yesterday. Have I got yet no but even if I’m slightly disappointed when you’re getting you know a bike short a pink bike shirt for five bucks not going to be that mad when you’re getting a Darcy pocket T and heather gray just a simple plain pocket T for five bucks. I got her a ruffle short with a blue stripe. Five bucks got her a ruffle tank top and navy to go with it five bucks. The most I spent in my cart is this adorable Parisian like Natalie dress in blue stripe just a short sleeve. Play dress that was 10 bucks cut down from I think I mean again, this was like down from 46.


SuChin Pak  36:13

Down from 46.


Kulap Vilaysack  36:15

The highest price item was $16 as totally superfluous decision to get her first middle name monogrammed on it. That’s just girl math, that’s girl math. I have like three different plugins guys to try to get codes. And who knows which one provided this other discount code? So I got five bucks off. So yeah, was shipping $13 because I wasn’t going to spend $120 like.


SuChin Pak  36:42

I mean, if you spent $120 on the sale, you wouldn’t have room in your house to store everything.


Kulap Vilaysack  36:48

Exactly, so my thought process is shipping is 13 bucks, but then I got five bucks off with this discount code.


SuChin Pak  36:55

Auntie math.


Kulap Vilaysack  36:56

I’m up, I’m totally.


SuChin Pak  36:59

I mean, you gotta you gotta declare it, you know, with your account and you made money. Is this as incomes right?


Kulap Vilaysack  37:05

Thank you for saying that. I mean, the stuffs good, right?


SuChin Pak  37:08

It’s so cute, I can’t wait to forward this to every parent with a younger child. I looked and the sizes are a little bit too small for my kiddos. So this is like for eight and under.


Kulap Vilaysack  37:20

Yeah, did I look at the other areas, it’s a full sale, but I really mainly focused up on that 80% off session that clearance.


SuChin Pak  37:31

I think with Auntie math, when you focus on an 80% clearance sale, then you don’t feel bad adding an item or two from the main tree. The math still works out you’re still earning income tax free.


Kulap Vilaysack  37:48

Yeah, tax free, tax free. Wait, is it tax free? Su, let’s end with these new sleep socks you, you got.


SuChin Pak  38:03

Well, so I told you that I was going through these darn cold flashes. And so these wool socks, they just not cutting it right now in the winter time.


Kulap Vilaysack  38:15



SuChin Pak  38:17

I want to shout out my brother and his girlfriend. They got me the socks for Christmas, because they know I’m obsessed with socks. I want you to click on this link here. Okay, these are I don’t know if they’re from where are they from Denmark or some European country, that’s so so cute.


Kulap Vilaysack  38:34

You know, what I know is that it’s woman founded and LLM is the API owner. That’s what I know.


SuChin Pak  38:43

Thank you for doing the research.


Kulap Vilaysack  38:46

Because, okay, typically does it I don’t I know it because defective.


SuChin Pak  38:49

How is it that I just was going to talk about this, and I’m like, I hope they’re there in the good category. But now they’re in excellence category API and women founded. They’re called verloop, you guys. I don’t know what to say about these socks. They’re so cute ,they have sometimes with socks. You have to have that slip thing underneath because you’re gonna bust your ass going to the bathroom in the middle of the night. So many times some tread you need to tread so they have the tread but their fleece lined, now.


Kulap Vilaysack  39:23

Fully fleece lined with non slip patches.


SuChin Pak  39:26

Listen up for 36 bucks, they are so thick. But when you put your hand inside, it’s like a fleece coat. And I’m not talking about a short fleece. I’m talking about a furry, thick fleece. An inch thick. They’re so warm and cozy. And they’re so cute. They’re so colorful. Buy three get one free.


Kulap Vilaysack  39:51

With Love and appreciation. This is 100% clown era.


SuChin Pak  39:56

All the patterns to the max to the max, this is endorphin, this is clown. This is menopause. I’m so sorry to the owner of Verloop. If she’s like, that’s not the market, we’re going after what I’m telling you is you’re leaving money on the table. Okay, I’m telling you, that’s a category at your business meeting that we all need to talk about.


Kulap Vilaysack  40:16

And damn, that’s, that’s sort of strong on the attitude.


SuChin Pak  40:20

No, and that category has money. Okay, that category will buy six and get two free.


Kulap Vilaysack  40:27

Do you know what I mean? Su, you needed to drop this link in our, our thread with Jason.


SuChin Pak  40:32

Yeah, but is he gonna go for the endorphins?


Kulap Vilaysack  40:35

No, he has like, orange hole goes I think so.


SuChin Pak  40:38

Okay, these are fantastic, now I do have to say these are house socks. I mean, sure. Can you shove them into a clown shoe? Like a crock? Yeah, without putting up that sports gear or whatever, it’s sports mode or whatever they call that?


Kulap Vilaysack  40:54



SuChin Pak  40:55

But these are mainly I slipped them off and I get back into my darn tufts for my normal daytime wear because you can’t put these in a shoe. But God they’re so good.


Kulap Vilaysack  41:08

Now Tiffany is producing so freaking hard right now. Because Su, you need to invest in this company. They have a dickey?


SuChin Pak  41:18

They do? I didn’t even they’re having as as I haven’t, I haven’t really gone into everything here because I was so into the socks, I didn’t even know that they had other things.


Kulap Vilaysack  41:28

Su, it’s on sale right now. From $80, it’s 66 and it’s got so many different colors. It’s a static swatch knit dickey. It’s got a mock turtleneck. I mean if this isn’t you.


SuChin Pak  41:43

Oh, we this patchwork […]


Kulap Vilaysack  41:47

Her eyes are so wide, yeah. Oh, wow SuChin Pak. Free US shipping over $50 well, there you go baby.


SuChin Pak  41:56

Let me tell you Verloop. This is just for Verloop listen up, either, I worried somehow we’ll get this to.


Kulap Vilaysack  42:03

Everyone shut up, everyone shut up, this is just for Verloop.


SuChin Pak  42:06

This is the embodiment of everything that is me. From the inside of my core. To the outside of my fingertips. Arms wide open Titanic style. Just Verloop I love you because you are me. And I am you.


Kulap Vilaysack  42:29

Mm hmm.


SuChin Pak  42:30

That’s the ad campaign. That’s the menopause women’s ad campaign that Verloop can just drop.


Kulap Vilaysack  42:38

Yeah, just cut paste baby paste. Wow, what an unbelievable show. You know, thanks Carters for being with us again this week. This month take some time to celebrate the women in your life and celebrate the women making waves making moves in the world. You can find all of our current items on Instagram at Add to Cart pod.


SuChin Pak  43:03

Yes, and I also want to say it just celebrates the strength. You know, the humor and the smells of all that is woman.


Kulap Vilaysack  43:12

Hmm, that’s beautiful.


SuChin Pak  43:14

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Kulap Vilaysack  43:44

Love you!


SuChin Pak  43:44



CREDITS  43:50

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