Spring Into Beauty Part 2: GRW June Diane Raphael

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SuChin Pak, Kulap Vilaysack, June Diane Raphael

SuChin Pak  00:00

A Hello, Hello sweet springlings. Welcome back to Add To Cart This is a show about the things we buy the things we buy into what they say about who we are, and we are fully into our spring into beauty series here on the show. We’re springing into beauty.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:43

Spring has spiked. Now that we’ve had one episode from our spring into beauty series, I gotta say I am feeling fresh. I am feeling hot. And I am feeling ready. I am feeling like a goddamn Little Caesars Pizza.


SuChin Pak  01:59

And we’re just getting started. Today. We are going to do a master, a master class on GRWM. Get Ready With Me and who exactly are we getting ready with Ku today? Drumroll. Drumroll trumpets flare. The Royal carpet has been rolled out.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:20

That’s right. She is royalty. She is a quadruple threat, I can’t think of is acceptable threat something. But she’s an actor. She’s a writer. She’s a podcast host. She’s one of my nearest and dearest. She’s a style icon. She’s hot off the red carpet, please hit your lip glosses together, raise those beauty blenders. Add another layer of mascara and smear on those serum. So welcome June Diane Raphael.


SuChin Pak  02:51

We have to tone it down. Right we have to tone it down. You’re just getting started with your post. Post today we are fresh off the red carpet.


June Diane Raphael  03:00

I really am. I was, I was at the like Hollywood’s biggest night just two nights ago. And so I just want you to know that this is this is a timely episode. Because, boy, I had to get ready. I don’t think I’ve had to get ready for something in that way. I am still recovering Session Two days later. I’m like, Whew, that was work.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:27

It was work.


June Diane Raphael  03:28

Those were.


SuChin Pak  03:29

It’s not just the night too, it’s like weeks of proper months, possibly, you know, you’re clipping things. You’re screenshotting things like in December.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:39

It’s fitting.


June Diane Raphael  03:40

Absolutely. It’s a lot. It’s a lot and I don’t want to be audited for any of this. So I we may have to just make a special announcement that nobody at the IRS can listen to this. But I’m like this is the fucking business expense, it is. This is business.


SuChin Pak  04:02

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the pictures peruse it. Okay, I’m sorry, auditor. Auditor. Did you want me to Google?


Kulap Vilaysack  04:11

Those are the receipts those 50, Vanity Fair party, gorgeous red carpets.


SuChin Pak  04:19

Those are the gorgeous receipts, gorgeous receipts.


June Diane Raphael  04:23

You know, I I’m very happy with how it all turned out. I’m happy to be here to talk about all of the products and I I want you both to know that. I knew I was coming on and I was asked for your lovely producer for a set of links and products. And last week I went to South by Southwest I was in the midst of truly such an overwhelmingly busy time and yet, and yet, I put it all aside so happily, and sat down to really work on that email. I worked on an email more than I’ve worked on a script that was due more than I’ve worked on many important things that fell to the wayside because I was Googling I was researching I was, I was doing a lot of double checking on Amazon too, about like, are these products counterfeit or not? I watched a whole documentary about counterfeit Amazon products. So I was doing the Lord’s work.


SuChin Pak  05:23

Whoa, the your storefront that this has also benefited I hope from from some of the work.


June Diane Raphael  05:29

It has actually SuChin. I was linking a line back to my own storefront. Thank you trying to.


SuChin Pak  05:34

Thank you for three words, three words from a guru. Any guru, it doesn’t matter. Follow your joy. That’s what you did.


June Diane Raphael  05:43

I really did.


SuChin Pak  05:45

You followed your joy. And here we are, we get to receive.


June Diane Raphael  05:49

And when something doesn’t feel like work, that’s when you know, you’re on purpose.


Kulap Vilaysack  05:54

Yeah, that’s right. That’s when you’re flying.


SuChin Pak  05:56

And that’s why it’s a business expense.


June Diane Raphael  05:59

I was on purpose. And I, I saw other texts and notifications coming in some really important ones about just like you need to change your flight, like a lot of important things are happening. And I was dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismissed and to have to have the time and space to categorize you know, nighttimes serums mascaras lipsticks, and you didn’t mention lip glosses club but I don’t do lip gloss.


SuChin Pak  06:30

Take controversial to.


June Diane Raphael  06:33

It is, I’m no longer, a person who belongs in lip gloss and I wear that as a badge of honor actually.


Kulap Vilaysack  06:42

Do your listeners what is in store for you is a classic Add to Cart drange routine episode. This is what we’re here for. This is what we need. This is our souls purpose.


June Diane Raphael  06:54

I really want to say that I come to this episode, both as a teacher and a student. So I as much as I am so excited to share what I know. I’m also always learning.


Kulap Vilaysack  07:12

Absolutely. So what June is saying to just remind because a lot of deep divers are with us right now. June is a panelist and not only is she a panelist, she is the panel. She is at the podium at this time. And sure soon I will raise our hands when it’s time for q&a. But this is this is a June talk.


SuChin Pak  07:33

That’s right, my ticket stub has been ripped in half an usher very, very lovely usher has taken me to the VIP section. These are these are my dreams. I’m cross legged and a pantsuit all ready to go.


June Diane Raphael  07:49

I would actually like to start with some information. And I’d like to direct, your listeners to end mine I guess too, because they’re all here to Broken, which is a Netflix documentary that talks about counterfeit makeup products. Okay, take your Rolex. Because, it’s important. A lot of what they talk about in this in this documentary is counterfeit cosmetics, and specifically how they’re popping up all over Amazon also on the streets, of course, but there’s just, they’re just very problematic because they’re sold, of course, way below the retail price. There’s so many question marks in terms of how they’re made, you know, who’s making them what those labor practices look like, and also whether they’re safe or not. So I just want to say that up top that I do shop on Amazon and I do but I am always looking for the actual store.


SuChin Pak  08:53

The actual brands actual store on on Amazon. Yes, I do that as well. Yes. Thank you. Very good tip. Thank you. Very good tip.


June Diane Raphael  09:03

I just want us to feel empowered as consumers to do that little bit of extra work because especially when it comes to things we’re putting on our face and all that jazz and anything we buy that it’s it’s super important.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:14

So thank you, June.


June Diane Raphael  09:16

Of course, where should we begin? I am I’m bubbling.


SuChin Pak  09:21

That’s step one.


June Diane Raphael  09:22

Step one.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:23

We’re talking about skincare before we put on our makeup. So June we’re getting ready. June is getting ready to emerge to an event to a red carpet to go out with her girlfriends. We have to begin with skincare.


June Diane Raphael  09:39

Oh always, I mean, some of these products I’ve actually found from Add to Cart. So this is going to be we’re gonna, we’re gonna.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:47

We are mashed, we’re entangled. Let’s just embrace it.


June Diane Raphael  09:50

It’s true and it’s sort of we’re a self sustaining community, you know, it’s farm to table over hear.


SuChin Pak  10:05

Like a capsule launch into space 70 years later.


June Diane Raphael  10:09

Weird you guys it’s like we’re both recommending the products hearing it putting in our own storefront purchasing it on other stores.


SuChin Pak  10:17

And then never remembering where it originated. It’s just a becomes one continuous infinity loop.


June Diane Raphael  10:23

It is such a wonderful BioDome. We are all OK, so if we’re going to start at the very beginning, I’m going to start with sunblock.  I am a very, I am an Elta MD. D. Pre che because I believe that most dermatologists recommend it.


SuChin Pak  10:48

Which one though? There’s so many of them. Which one do you use?


June Diane Raphael  10:51

What I really love is a broad spectrum. SPF 46 Elta MD UV Clear or you can get the UV daily. So I that’s what I do. I don’t wear sunblock with a makeup tint to it. However, I do wear a makeup that has sunblock in it. So do we want to? Do we want to try to peel away that onion? Because? because okay. Okay, great. So I know that there’s a lot of sunblocks that have some sort of a, like Foundation, tint in it or tinted sunscreen. Listen, what I really do most of the time now is I put my regular sunblock on that Elta MD, then Avene has a foundation that has sunblock in it, okay, so it is sort of ends in a compact, and but it’s not a powder, and it’s creamy, and it’s got a beautiful finish. And there I say I think it’s as good as most foundations. Okay, now, here’s where you might, some of our listeners might be challenged, I don’t believe that they offer a color wheel that is as expensive as it should be.


Kulap Vilaysack  12:13

Thank you for that tip.


June Diane Raphael  12:14

Okay, so this might not work for everyone. And I think they have a ways to go in terms of offering a wider range of bases. But it’s a beautiful product. And still, even with the amount of SPF that’s in that product, I still put sunblock underneath.


Kulap Vilaysack  12:32

Oh yeah, cover your bases.


June Diane Raphael  12:34

You have to.


Kulap Vilaysack  12:35

But even underneath that you are doing both an oil based cleanser and a water based cleanser. Every day.


June Diane Raphael  12:41

Go back. Let’s go back, back, back, back back. I’m gonna say something that you two probably you’re gonna have some feedback on. I don’t cleanse my face in the mornings.


Kulap Vilaysack  12:50

We don’t either. Neither do we.


SuChin Pak  12:51

There we go. Here we are, again, in the biofeedback loop.


June Diane Raphael  12:56

I’m in a safe space, with like minded people. Now I want to talk to you about the product. So we’re taking it all the way back even before the sunblock goes on. I want to talk to you about the product that you both turned me on to which is the Paula’s choice exfoliator. I’m still testing out how often I can use it. Okay, and so I don’t know. I mean, club skin. I know actually pretty well, but I can.


SuChin Pak  13:26

You’ve put fingers on it.


June Diane Raphael  13:27

Yes, I know. I’ve seen all the steps. But I couldn’t ever guess like how much how often one should be doing this. I feel like that’s such a, you know.


SuChin Pak  13:39



June Diane Raphael  13:40

Yeah, a personal.


SuChin Pak  13:41

Intimate question.


June Diane Raphael  13:43

Intimate question.


SuChin Pak  13:44

That’s right.


June Diane Raphael  13:45

Yes. It’s like how often do you have sex? How often do you masturbate? Like, yes, how often? Exfoliate? That’s between you.


SuChin Pak  13:53

And Yes, right? That’s right. So.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:58

If you would like to share any of those stats, feel free either one of you to offer that.


June Diane Raphael  14:04

You say all of those stats are on my exfoliation schedule. You’re all interesting, interesting.


SuChin Pak  14:11

Once a year, exfoliate once a year. On your birthday?


June Diane Raphael  14:21

This product this product really does get the job done. I haven’t found an exfoliator like the Paula’s Choice the 2% salicylic acid exfoliator that gets it done the way that this one does.


SuChin Pak  14:36



June Diane Raphael  14:36

I just really love it.


Kulap Vilaysack  14:39

You use it as much as you need it is what I would say for all skincare for generally.


June Diane Raphael  14:45

I think that’s right.


Kulap Vilaysack  14:47

We, I think we get caught up in like an I did and I’ve been on record I was told by, you know that I needed to do 10 The Korean Kay beauty 10 steps and it’s like no, actually you don’t need to do those 10 steps every day? A fraction of that works because I’m just like.


June Diane Raphael  15:04

Sometimes you need 16.


Kulap Vilaysack  15:06

That’s true. That’s true.


June Diane Raphael  15:09

It’s so true. And I actually, you know, I believe, personally that my skin got better when I pulled back.


SuChin Pak  15:18

Oh, okay. That hurts. That stings a little.


June Diane Raphael  15:22

That’s not going to feel great. Yeah, that’s not gonna feel great.


SuChin Pak  15:25

It was hard to take that in.


Kulap Vilaysack  15:27

Yeah, yeah.  SuChin just got waxed.


June Diane Raphael  15:30

I know. And it’s like, how do we keep the trains moving? How do we keep capitalism you know, doing its thing? How do we keep the ecosystem?


Kulap Vilaysack  15:38

Yeah. Oh, man, we have to hold up the sky.


June Diane Raphael  15:42

I know.


SuChin Pak  15:43

I literally as I’m looking at a doc that is two pages long.


June Diane Raphael  15:48

Yeah, this is all relative, you guys. So let’s get in. So I know we started at some bar. But we’re going we’re actually going back to the night before now, which is, I am a two cleanser type of gal. Have to be now there are a couple of oil based cleansers that I like. There’s one, this is a really sad story that I’m about to tell. There was an oil based cleanser that I interacted with, in a makeup trailer for a week. And I was so obsessed with it. And I thought I took a picture of it. I didn’t. The makeup artist took it away. It was gone. I asked her I followed up with her. I asked what was that? She said? I don’t know.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:34

Wow, this is what we call a missed connections.


SuChin Pak  16:38

Wow. Amateur hour.


June Diane Raphael  16:41

To this day. I don’t know what it was.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:45



June Diane Raphael  16:46

I know.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:46

What couldn’ve been.


June Diane Raphael  16:48

I did this again. This is one of the great mysteries of life. I don’t know what it was. But please know that the products I recommend it’s like I’m a drug addict training get back to that first. hit. You know, I’ve never quite gotten to that oil based cleanser. But these get me closer, as close as I think I can be.


Kulap Vilaysack  17:13

And this is the biosense squalene and antioxidant.


June Diane Raphael  17:17

Yes. Which is an absolutely lovely cleansing oil. Absolutely lovely. You know, I know Avene makes one too. I don’t know how I’m pronouncing that. Right. v&a. Avene makes one two that I think is very nice. But again, none of them are what that mystery one was. And maybe I don’t know Add to Cart listeners. Maybe if you have any ideas on what it was because I’ve done some Google searches because I have a bit vague recollection of the packaging. And I have never encountered it. So


Kulap Vilaysack  17:48

What was the color of the bottle?


June Diane Raphael  17:50

It was green.


SuChin Pak  17:53

Which is why you went here because Biosciences kind of closes June. I mean.


June Diane Raphael  18:02

I know it’s just a sad story.


SuChin Pak  18:04

A plus forever you got a green bottle.


June Diane Raphael  18:51

So that’s what I start with. And then what I love about rule based cleanser too is then sometimes I don’t have to use my oil based eye makeup remover. Now I’ve gotten a lot of feedback from my friends and family members. A lot of my friends have accused me of never taking my mascara off, and and that is true.


Kulap Vilaysack  19:46

I stand guilty as charged.


June Diane Raphael  19:48

As charged. So many people want me to feel shame about this. And I resist, resist, resist.


SuChin Pak  19:57

Wait, am I recollecting correctly, that you and just had a conversation about the hair color color of your mother’s.


June Diane Raphael  20:06

Yes What do you want you know my mom doesn’t remember my mom didn’t remember her natural color because all the photos were in black and white nobody knows.


SuChin Pak  20:14

You without mascara is it I don’t even know that you know what I mean? Yeah it’s not you.


June Diane Raphael  20:21

So right now Su cure seeing me with really no makeup on but but when I say that know that there’s always going to be residual mascara on, so my no makeup look is the mascara and I know everybody’s gonna I’ve had makeup artist say to me oh my gosh you didn’t take off all your makeup and I always do the regular role of oh gosh I’m so sorry to crazy me last night I lie and lie to them so sorry oh my gosh you’re right I couldn’t find it I’m so sorry. Thank you for helping me meanwhile I’m like bitch, never off, and some people have said to me the health of your lashes this and that and I’m like keep it.


SuChin Pak  21:09

Keep your thoughts, keep your prayers to yourself keep your health battle or don’t worry about me.


June Diane Raphael  21:16

Okay, focus on yourself, do not worry for a second about my lashes.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:25

Do we need to get your lashes so let’s let’s keep yes be in in this skincare.


June Diane Raphael  21:30

We’re gonna get to the mascarras because a part of my was Carol racks are also mascarras that you can always wear looking at I know that’s not a category anyone’s looking for necessarily that’s not a drop down item at the menu at Sephora.


SuChin Pak  21:44

You don’t know that. You don’t know that it’s not like lengthening.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:50

Forever it’s I choose.


SuChin Pak  21:53

To just said we just said you had very sensitive eyes. So I am so curious about this because this has worked for you. Obviously you take it off.


June Diane Raphael  22:03

Okay, I take some of it off. Okay, I do take some of it off switching but I don’t I don’t.


June Diane Raphael  22:09

Base player always got to be a base player.


June Diane Raphael  22:13

Yeah. And I don’t go to any certain length to like get it down to zero I don’t want to ever see it like that. I’m gonna see them like that.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:28

Vulnerable yeah its quiveringly.


June Diane Raphael  22:31

I quit them that way. You know, I want them to always have a little bit of something on them layer protection.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:38

So speaking of layer.


June Diane Raphael  22:41



Kulap Vilaysack  22:41

Protection, you do a barrier wrist restoration.


June Diane Raphael  22:45

Well, okay, so at night after those two things go on. I have a dermatologist recommended program here. This is signed off on by an MD.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:56

A doctor.


June Diane Raphael  22:57

A doctor.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:58

Not an influencer. Okay. A doctor.


June Diane Raphael  23:03

A doctor. So, retinol I also much like the exfoliant the Paula’s choice. I also experiment with how much I can do. You know, they always say pea size. But, you know, it’s hard. It’s hard to not want to put more on when it works.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:03

This is the SuChin Pak method as well.


June Diane Raphael  23:24

Yes, maybe it’s a bigger pea.


SuChin Pak  23:26

Yeah, and also I’m not you and you’re not me.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:29

Yeah, yeah.


SuChin Pak  23:30

Like yes. What are we talking about here? What works for you? great, I don’t want it.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:36

How are the rains at my pea farm? Maybe it was the larger peas maybe?


SuChin Pak  23:42

That’s right.


June Diane Raphael  23:44

So but what I will say about retinol is and I use the Avene retinol and it works great again dermatologist recommended. I was so impressed with the results that an a dermatologist told me which I can’t believe I hadn’t been doing for so long. Why aren’t you putting it on your chest and your hands? And I said I don’t know. That’s that’s a misstep.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:07

We can all we can do is move forward.


June Diane Raphael  24:09

We can’t we must name you know where our failures are and sit with them and then we must move forward so but but because I got so excited about putting them on my hands on my chest. I then thought oh, why not put them on my eyelids.


SuChin Pak  24:27



June Diane Raphael  24:28

That was a mistake. So I took a little of the pea size and I put a little up here on just on my brow or lids I do not believe that formulation belongs on that skin. That skin is different.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:46

June did you burn, did you burn a little?


June Diane Raphael  24:48

It was like you could almost see my finger. It was like I burned in the shape of two fingers. I saw I swear to God I saw like the outline of my nail. I was like oh my gosh I do put everywhere else on my face hands in chess pieces amount. So then okay, we’re getting closer and closer to the mascara. So then, after the retinol Yes, I put on a nice restorative protective cream. I use the Avene one. I think it’s really lovely.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:18

No, June you’re you’re introducing me to this product line. I was not aware of it.


June Diane Raphael  25:23

Really cool.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:25

Yep. Yep. This is new to me. Su, did you know about this?


SuChin Pak  25:29

Yes. It’s a French brand, right.


June Diane Raphael  25:32

Sure. It’s.


SuChin Pak  25:32

I think it’s very, like you see it so much in France, and it’s not as in your face here. So I’m glad you’re bringing it up. Because I’ve never tried their products.


June Diane Raphael  25:42

They’re really beautiful. And they’re really like a French pharmacy brand.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:47

Yeah. Wow. That’s SuChin’s fun right there.


June Diane Raphael  25:50

It would be like what I don’t know. I mean, they’re in line with like La Roche-Posay and that kind of like beautiful French product. That’s a decently priced product. That works really well. So their sucralfate Restore to protective cream is really, really nice, especially for the winter. Months. Moisture is like locked in after we put that on.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:13

It’s $42 very reasonable for 3.3 fluid ounces.


SuChin Pak  26:17

Okay, so we’re plumped. We’re tight. We’re moisturized.


June Diane Raphael  26:23



SuChin Pak  26:24

So now that now the palette is the canvas is ready. Yeah, Canvas is primed.


June Diane Raphael  26:30

Yeah. Now it’s time for makeup. Now Ku. I think you thought I do eyes first. I don’t do eyes first.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:36

Oh, I thought you did. I was mistaken. Sorry. No, I apologize. June.


SuChin Pak  26:41

Do I What do you start with then?


June Diane Raphael  26:43

I don’t do eyes first because I find that are there already done. Listen, you don’t have to you know get ready if you stay ready.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:57

Snap so.


June Diane Raphael  27:01

I find that I can’t really tell what the colors are without foundation. So you both have such beautifully evens Can I have to do some color correcting? So the Dr. Jart like Tiger grass color corrector that is usually going to go on first. It’s just sort of even out and pull out some of the redness. Do you both fuck with color correctors at all?


Kulap Vilaysack  27:28



SuChin Pak  27:28

No, I wouldn’t even know what to do with that. That scares me.


June Diane Raphael  27:32

It’s definitely a different world. And for a long time, I was scared of it too. It’s like why would I ever put green on my face? But what it really addresses is like the undertones, so my face can pull really red. And so if you kind of counter it with some green it actually starts to even the entire thing out there are lots of days where I only wear my color corrector really and obviously the mascara from the previous 43 years of my life, so Ken this is more technical work we’re getting into this is science.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:11

This is why we’re here though. Now that your color corrector that you’re talking about the tiger grass color correcting treatment.


June Diane Raphael  28:18

The Dr. Jart.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:19

Yep. SPF 30 also SPF there as well.


June Diane Raphael  28:23

Just calling it out.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:24



SuChin Pak  28:25

I mean she is going out there with 150 SPF.


June Diane Raphael  28:29

Yes, I mean I’m very anemic. I have a major vitamin D deficiency.


SuChin Pak  28:34

And mascarafrom 1998.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:40

Yes, if you’re looking for vitamin D go to my Amazon storefront under things your health.


June Diane Raphael  28:49

So I start with a color corrector there are lots of primers I like right now I’m using a lovely Urban Decay primer that I think is really nice. That I’ll put on first I think it’s called glow and then I’ll do the color corrector and then the foundation. So the foundation that for me I know it’s a process but the foundation, I don’t always use foundation. You know, so that’s a special day. That’s a special night. Hollywood. That’s red carpet. Absolutely. I really love just the color corrector and then maybe some spot concealer. And then we do arise in the more on our way. But if I am going to do foundation, I love the Giorgio Armani Luminous Silk Foundation. I just feel like it’s yes, it’s a luxury. There’s so many drugstore brands that are wonderful. I think elf has a wonderful foundation. Maybelline is wonderful. Like there are other tons of other foundations that are great, but if you’re going to spend some money on some like legit stuff, I do feel this is worth it. For me it’s a luxury makeup item. That’s why Like, Oh, that’s expensive. But you’re getting the work, you’re getting what you just paid for.


Kulap Vilaysack  30:06

It’s the luminous silk perfect glow flawless Oil Free Foundation, it’s about $69.


June Diane Raphael  30:12

It’s going to just sit on your face in such a beautiful way. And the finish is just stunning. I just think it’s, it is expensive, but it’s a special special Foundation. And I’m gonna say something, I clean my hands. But I use my fingers.


Kulap Vilaysack  30:30

Okay, you’re not using a sponge, you’re not using a brush. You’re using what God gave you.


June Diane Raphael  30:38

I am I’m using nature’s pain precious my fingers. Because I feel like the heat from your fingers. And I did learn with some Tiktok but I think it’s I’m gonna attribute it to myself too. I do think it’s sort of loosens up it gets it warm and it starts to really get your paint ready to go on other skin. I also have to be totally honest. I worry about brushes, and I worry about sponges. Worry about them sitting there. I worry about what they’re doing, in their off time. I worry about children in the bathroom. I worry about myself in the bathroom. There’s just too many factors there. Okay, do you know what I mean?


SuChin Pak  31:30

I do I do.


June Diane Raphael  31:32

And I have to understand myself. At this point in my life. It’s hard for me to clean brushes.


Kulap Vilaysack  31:39

Well, there you go. At that.


June Diane Raphael  31:41

We’re just we’re in the honest circle here.


SuChin Pak  31:44

Yeah, to be honest, hard. Let’s be honest, guys. We are not cleaning our brushes every time after.


June Diane Raphael  31:52

SuChin, no we’re not I’m not doing that. I’m not Oh, may I ask? And if you’re not comfortable sharing this I totally understand but how often are you both cleaning your brushes?


Kulap Vilaysack  32:03

Probably monthly and depending on your usage how much I’m using it. Maybe I’ll go as far as to months.


June Diane Raphael  32:10

Two months.


SuChin Pak  32:11

Agreed. That sounds like yeah, that sounds about right. I mean it yes or no? I mean I probably twice a month but I only use maybe three brushes. You know what I mean? Like I have a ton of brush like the brushes that I use every so often.  I’ll do maybe once every two months but still two weeks, of it sitting on your face collecting bacteria. My child probably coming in here putting it on the bottom of her feet if you don’t know.


June Diane Raphael  32:37

You just you don’t know.


SuChin Pak  32:39

You don’t know. She’s brushing her toenails.


June Diane Raphael  32:41

And to be honest iced I have even more questions about the beauty blenders because the sponges I can’t ever and I know I’ve tried so many products here is just like being a part of so give me like special formulas where you just drop them in and leave them in there for 10 minutes. Take them out and rinse them. I still feel like there’s more makeup in there. It’s like it never seems to go away fully. So just quickly, I just want to touch on concealer because I do love the hourglass. weightless, waterproof vanish airbrush concealer. I love it. I love it. I love it. Not cheap. Worth it. You only need a tiny bit. It lasts for a long time. Great great full coverage concealer.


SuChin Pak  33:27



June Diane Raphael  34:05

So now, we’re moving on to eyes.


Kulap Vilaysack  34:41

Oh, boy. I mean. Dianne reveal you know there Yeah, I can I can wax poetic about so many parts of your body, but your eyes are two standouts.


June Diane Raphael  34:55

Thank you Kulap. Now I’ve learned a few things. We’re talking about color here. I learned from a makeup artist many years ago, that if you have blue eyes, you’re gonna want to go with some neutrals that have orange in them. Now I never thought orange but this is again we’re talking about color correcting balancing, either balancing and neutralizing or making something pop out complementing so of course Orange is a complementary color orange and blue. All of my browns, all of my palettes that have neutral browns in them are going to have a pretty strong orange undertone. That’s because I have blue eyes. So for brown eyes is going to be completely different for green eyes is going to be completely different. I written this is a product that good luck finding it, folks. Again, it’s a French product, but it’s the visie art or pronounced visor. I don’t know. The matte neutral palette.


Kulap Vilaysack  35:54

Sold out.


SuChin Pak  35:55

What would you say it’s sold out.


June Diane Raphael  35:57

Sold out. So unfortunately, I could not find this it was sold out when I put this link up, but I couldn’t find it anywhere else. At one point it was available at Sephora. It might be again I would click on the notify me when available. Like this will last you. It’s $40 I have had this for years. That sort of burnt sienna. Yeah, Brown is a game changer.


Kulap Vilaysack  36:23

They do pull very orange I see exactly what you’re saying right now.


June Diane Raphael  36:26

But all of these colors that black everything here you’re gonna use fore ver and it’s just such a this product is a workhorse.


Kulap Vilaysack  36:34

Well, you mentioned how long you’ve had this palette which brings me you know there’s some controversy of how long you keep makeup. June when do you say goodbye to makeup?


June Diane Raphael  36:47

So, I’m only going to throw up makeup. If I’m not using it. I’m not throwing up makeup because it’s expired. Sorry. I’m willing to roll the dice. Go find me Come get me.


Kulap Vilaysack  37:05

Worried about a beauty blender. Look, we contain multitudes you know, we, we all make our choices.


June Diane Raphael  37:15

Yeah, not everyone is good. Check out over here. You know not every link works, SuChin you know feel free to speak your mind. I can hold it. I can.


Kulap Vilaysack  37:26

No, no. SuChin SuChin she has makeup from MTV.


SuChin Pak  37:31

Correct? And I’m quiet because, I I want to give you the space to shine because I’ve already been in this heat heat lamp.


Kulap Vilaysack  37:42

I agree with her.


June Diane Raphael  37:44

You’ve already spoken publicly Okay, um, so.


SuChin Pak  37:46

I mean I have I have those like you know, I have a makeup artists who you know when they leave you with those stackables like some of it I still have those stacks all of them stacks from from from probably VMA 2000.


June Diane Raphael  38:02

Again, like I have yet to see a headline I have yet to see a news article about like woman dies from you know, olds. eyeshadow, like I just, I don’t see it happening. And I was it doesn’t I don’t think because it does and I think they just want us out there buying new thing.


SuChin Pak  38:22

I it’s big makeup.


June Diane Raphael  38:24

It is big makeup coming to get us and they don’t want us in our self sustaining dome over here.


SuChin Pak  38:29

And if you disagree with us, just buy more makeup.


June Diane Raphael  38:33

Go ahead. You know, have you fun out there.


SuChin Pak  38:36

Knock yourself out.


June Diane Raphael  38:39

Although I don’t feel I can do gloss on my lips anymore. I can do a shimmer on the lid.


SuChin Pak  38:45

You do and you do it well.


June Diane Raphael  38:46

And I do. And they do. So I love a bit of shimmer in the lid. And I really love the Huda Beauty Yes. That her shimmers they stay. And so I’d really recommend any of her neutral shimmers there just just a little in the corner or the full lid. That’s going to stay the whole day or night.


Kulap Vilaysack  39:11

Oh, you just do the corner. That’s interesting. Okay. Okay, great.


June Diane Raphael  39:15

Ku. I’d love to see you in a shimmer. I’d really love to see you in a shimmer.


Kulap Vilaysack  39:20

All right, next. Next dinner. I’m going to try to shine up.


June Diane Raphael  39:23

Great. Great. So now we’re getting closer to mascara. But before that.


Kulap Vilaysack  39:30

What a tease. I love it.


June Diane Raphael  39:31

Yeah, I know. But before that. I’m going to do some eyeliner. Now for a long time, I was always lining underneath and over. I’ve also outgrown the water line and the lower line a bit. Now sometimes at night, you know, for an event I did it for the Oscars weekend like I’ll do the whole thing and I love it. But I also really love just mascara on the lower lip, clean cat. So yeah. Now in terms of a liquid eyeliner, I really love the KVD tattoo liner. It’s the waterproof, tattoo liner, liquid eyeliner. And I think the tip of it if you want a really clean cat does it beautifully and it stays and it does not move. So now I had a hot tip from my makeup artists who said always do the always do a shadow line first on your upper lid and then go over to do your cat eye. So I’m still experimenting with that. But I’m still again, I say I’m a teacher, but I’m also a learner. I’m still trying to figure out how to do a full cat eye on my own. You know, it’s one of those things where it’s like sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. And because I don’t, I can’t just rely on a technique. I feel like every time I go for it, it’s sort of like a free for all hit or mess. It’s really hit or miss and I wish I had a little more consistency.


SuChin Pak  41:08

We have goals yes a seven year.


June Diane Raphael  41:10

Thank you.


SuChin Pak  41:11

2023 goals. And we’ll check in with you at the same time next year.


June Diane Raphael  41:15

I’ve watched so many tutorials but it’s it’s a it’s a harder area for me. But even if I mess it up a little bit, can always rely on it?


Kulap Vilaysack  41:24

Can you lean on?


SuChin Pak  41:25

What can you what can you lean on so heavily is decades.


June Diane Raphael  41:31

Now, when asked to give a wreck for just one that was so hard, it’s like choosing one child as your favorite child. It’s like, how could you make it you put me in this position? You know, it was hard. So I did offer three.


Kulap Vilaysack  41:50

We want all three.


June Diane Raphael  41:51

Okay. And here’s what’s interesting, is that I go back and forth. Except for my skincare. I’m not someone who’s like, oh, I only use this mascara or I use this until it’s done. I’ve got a rotation going. Sometimes I’m using one on the upper eye and a different one on the lower eye.


Kulap Vilaysack  42:11

Never heard of that. Never done.


SuChin Pak  42:13

Wow. Wow.


SuChin Pak  42:14

Never done that.


SuChin Pak  42:15

Master class. Somebody get them, get them on the phone.


June Diane Raphael  42:18

Okay. It’s actually really important because there are different brushes. And I think, I think sometimes it’s easier to do the upper upper lashes with a certain brush and the lower lashes with a different brush because that’s different movement. Yeah, it just adds. So when I’m going out my upper lashes I want to brush.


SuChin Pak  42:43

Boy, I wish you guys could see her face right now. I mean, I’ve never seen such bones and serious, dead serious do not cross her path right now she will.


June Diane Raphael  42:55

It would feel crazy. This conversation is like I can’t believe I am being given a forum to discuss like what I love the most. It’s so crazy to have this time. Thank you. That’s all I can say is I don’t know if anyone’s listening and honestly, I don’t care.


SuChin Pak  43:12

Oh, no, the podium. Podium lights are all on floodlights.


June Diane Raphael  43:16

So I Okay, because of the shape of my eyes. I can easily have transfer issues. So I need a waterproof and I can’t do fake lashes on my own. Jessica Sinclair has made me dry. And again, they kiss with a kiss lasses. And you know, my friend Kate just came into town, and she was trying to put me on to another thing and said, these are easy, I promise you.


Kulap Vilaysack  43:46

It’s, it’s hard for me to like it takes way too long, and then it’s coming off of my eye. It’s almost pointless.


June Diane Raphael  43:52

That’s what I’m saying. It’s like it’s a beautiful thing to age because we start to understand ourselves a little bit better. And I’m like, maybe one day I’ll get the cat eye but I don’t think I’m ever getting to fake lashes. And I’m okay with that. You know, so I, I don’t fuck with them. Someone else can do them for me. But I really love the tarte cosmetics the waterproof Lights, Camera Lashes Mascara. Now it dries out quickly. So you gotta like get in there and work.


Kulap Vilaysack  44:26

Oh, wow. Really?


June Diane Raphael  44:30

You really do you have to move fast. So that’s the issue, by the way with a lot of waterproof mascaras.


Kulap Vilaysack  44:37

I guess that makes sense. Got it’s got a waterproof. It’s got a cure. It is a fast cure. Okay, it’s got to do the work.


June Diane Raphael  44:45

So you want to get it juiced up in there. But then you want to pull it out. You want to get it on your lashes immediately.


Kulap Vilaysack  44:53

Yeah, don’t just estipulate don’t tell a story. Just get to your eyes.


June Diane Raphael  44:59

And then Put it right back in its holder. What you can’t do is pull it out do one eye. Okay, now we’re going to over the other eye. It’s already dry. No. you have to put it back in, get it juiced again and then do the other eye. Lots of times what my current routine is the Lights Camera Lashes, or the bad guy or gal lashes but the benefit makes up beautiful mascara. Because I love them. They’re super black. I don’t fuck with brown. I don’t fuck with a colored mascara. I like a black, black black lash. So a lot of times what I’ve been doing is I’ve been doing those on top. The bad gal lashes are not waterproof. So that’s going to be you know, your cross to bear powder is going to come into play. And we’ll get to that in a second. But, I’ll do the top two. Then I’ll wait. Let that dry. Now we’re always doing at least two coats, often three.


SuChin Pak  46:07

Wow. What are you combing it out in between? Like, how do you get it from something that the formula,


June Diane Raphael  46:13

It’s the formula and then I’ll try to take off a little bit to make sure it doesn’t clump. But I want everybody to know because I think a lot. A lot of women need to hear this. If you’re just doing one coat of mascara and you think that’s enough. It’s not, go home, don’t do it at all. It’s not enough. And the other big thing I want to say is especially for me because I always have a little mascara on, I need to get in there to comb I need to get to the root of that lash. It’s not a it’s not like you’re just getting those tips kissing the tip. No, the tips are for the second and third coat. For that first coat you need to get to the root of your lounge, Asian lifting, lifting and pulling, pulling when you’re pulling. You’re also separating your lashes a little bit and you’re probably pulling off a little dry. A little mascara from years past.


SuChin Pak  47:15

And that’s how we clean and replenish.


Kulap Vilaysack  47:17

That’s  right, you’re taking off a little of that legacy mascara.


June Diane Raphael  47:21

Yes, that’s nature’s exfoliation. You know. So what I’ve often been doing is that’s the top lash. Now the bottom lash is drugstore favorite. That’s just great lash that’s Maybelline New York washable, great lash. doesn’t transfer know this product is such a staple. Yeah. And it’s one of just like, it is really a gold standard and mascara and I have talked to so many Dior Lancom all these fancy mascara is it is not worth the money. It’s just not worth it. It’s not worth it when you have a product like this. That’s so good. That brush is so good. The formula is so good. Why would you ever go out and spend money on luxury mascara?


SuChin Pak  48:17

No I hear you.


June Diane Raphael  48:18

No luxury philosophischen. That’s where spending money on mascara. No way.


SuChin Pak  48:23

Okay when you have this for 10.97.


June Diane Raphael  48:25

Absolutely. Yeah. So now the mascara is on. Also multiple. By the way multiple coats on the bottom lash.


Kulap Vilaysack  48:34

Multiple coats on the bottom lash. Okay, okay, okay.


June Diane Raphael  48:37

Especially if you’re not wearing any under eyeliner which I often don’t so I if you’re doing multiple coats, it’s almost like you’re building in a liner, liner with your lashes. Then and this for me this is really important. A lot of this has to do the shape of your face and how your eyes are set. For me, I have found a beautiful powder I will say this is another product worth the money. There are drugs for powders that are great. This I just purchased and in I want to say the last couple months it’s the Givenchy Prisme Libre Loose Setting and Finishing Powder now.  I bake. So I’m going to pick up, on a blender or brush a lot of powder. And I’m going to set it under that mascara. And I’m going to set it over my eyeshadow and where those lashes would touch the the browbone okay. So and I’m going to let that sit for almost five minutes.


June Diane Raphael  48:55

Really? And that’s how you keep it from transferring.


June Diane Raphael  49:56

Yep. it’s also setting your concealer it’s setting your eye shots setting every thing. I mean this is this is an old school like drag queen, baking they fucking bake. And it works. It just works.


Kulap Vilaysack  50:10

And are you baking? Is that the only place you’re baking? Are you doing all.


June Diane Raphael  50:13

That’s the only place in baking. But I know like for for heavier makeup and three more Kardashians are contouring and everything. That looks that looks beautiful too. It’s just that I don’t I don’t do that. But for me it’s really about making sure that mascara doesn’t move.


SuChin Pak  50:29

I didn’t think about it that way. Because that’s that’s why I never wear mascara.


June Diane Raphael  50:34

So transfers on you.


SuChin Pak  50:35

Yeah, I yeah, of course.


June Diane Raphael  50:37

And it just eye makeup in general is like the bane of my existence because of the transfer. But this I’ve never thought about. I mean, I’ve heard of baking but I’m not. You know, this is this. It seems intimidating. It’s so easy to all you do is literally you just put it in in this. If you want to start with the Givenchy  immune, it’s expensive, but it is worth it. Because what happens is after five minutes, you then just take a little brush and you just just scooted away and it sets it that shit does not move. So I would be very interested to do a follow up episode to see if this has worked on you because it might change your experience with mascara.


SuChin Pak  51:28

I mean a lot of things in here have changed my experience with a lot of things. To be honest.


Kulap Vilaysack  51:39

Let’s talk about lipstick. I want to hear what we don’t do lip gloss.


June Diane Raphael  51:46

No, we don’t talk about lip gloss.


Kulap Vilaysack  51:48

We go about live.


June Diane Raphael  51:51

I feel silly in it. It also just doesn’t do the work that you needed to do at this stage in our lives.


SuChin Pak  52:00

That’s how I feel. That’s yeah,


June Diane Raphael  52:03

I agree. You know Matt McConkey used to do an impression of Jennifer Aniston at the Emmys when she and she was always like pulling hair away from.


SuChin Pak  52:12

Her lip gloss.


June Diane Raphael  52:16

And that’s how I feel with it. It’s like a it’s like a venus flytrap it’s like a it’s two things would get stuck on it and I don’t like at that’s a feeling thing for me that I don’t like the texture thing you don’t want it’s a texture thing now there’s a MAC lipstick I really liked it’s discontinued and that I have purchased off of Ebay and other different sites every bottle that exists like I’m gonna have to do with the calming or lotion warmer. But it’s I think it’s called like pocketful of posies or something like that and it’s a it is a neutral quote unquote, that has a pink pink peachy pink undertone and it works, and it works. However I also love and I know Kulap really appreciates me in a orange red. So the Maybelline Superstay matte ink lipstick I think is beautiful it can be a little drying so you just.


SuChin Pak  53:18

Wait so what’s the orange red that you’re using on that just so I can get that one?


June Diane Raphael  53:23

Yes, I believe this is cardinal red and it pulls a little bit orange which I love the other lipstick I really stand behind is Makeup Forever now a lot of people use Jasmine and Grace and Frankie because they were very signature pink lip. This is not exactly it discontinued it they discontinued it. Now I have heard that there’s a store in LA where if your product gets discontinued a lipstick or nail polish you can go there and they’ll make it for you.


Kulap Vilaysack  53:55

What like bite Labs is it that.


June Diane Raphael  53:57

Is that it? I don’t know.


Kulap Vilaysack  53:59

It could be.


June Diane Raphael  54:00

So I’m going to be exploring that but for now I did find that Makeup Forever has this lipstick which I believe is called spirited pink. It’s a bright pink and I do think it’s a great this pink works on pretty much every one now looking at it. It’s not exactly what the other pink I have is. But again they don’t make it anymore. It’s still a little too purple for me, but but it’s as close as I can get for now.


SuChin Pak  54:31

Yeah, it’s a great it’s a green bottle oil cleanser. You know?


Kulap Vilaysack  54:35

Yeah, it’s very we’re having a nostalgic and these misconnections and what was and what could have been and how we’re making do in these present times. I didn’t know that was be under current.


June Diane Raphael  54:46

I didn’t know that. That yeah, that there was going to be so much love and loss and.


Kulap Vilaysack  54:53

That’s right. I mean June this is the makings of your one person show. This is this is the foundation right here.


June Diane Raphael  55:01

Oh my god I didn’t know I had so much to say am I you know am I not done but I guess maybe you know we’ll follow up at another point, we didn’t even talk about highlighters Moon chart key piece of this.


Kulap Vilaysack  55:17

And and honestly the highlighting is something that I I don’t understand and would like guidance about I barely get it I’m doing it like kind of Tik Tok ish on my face but I’m not really not to the level that I think I could do.


June Diane Raphael  55:33

Okay that’s such a great area to explore.


SuChin Pak  55:36

And but June’s also got look at the angles on that.


Kulap Vilaysack  55:39

I mean she hewn from a marble.


June Diane Raphael  55:41

Yes, thank you.


Kulap Vilaysack  55:43

Same classic.


SuChin Pak  55:44

Classical mythical.


June Diane Raphael  55:45

I really appreciate that I may take that in but I do think that any face the light hits a certain spot and that’s where we want to be highlighting. So tip of the nose below the lip. You know, there’s a couple key spots that we can wherever your face is shaped that we can put highlighter it’s gonna look beautiful.


Kulap Vilaysack  56:03

Powder or cream?


June Diane Raphael  56:05

And I do that with like hourglass and I do the dove lip and by I want more is what I want to say.


June Diane Raphael  56:05

I use both again this is one that I’m you know, here they’re in everywhere on but I think right now I’m not sure let me see what I put in here. And my little. Oh, this is the this is the flawless filter which we didn’t even talk about. I use it as a highlighter but I really do use this often just as foundation and put the whole thing on but um there’s a Ilya makes the highlighter that’s a liquid highlighter that I think is really nice. And then I think Laura Mercia makes a really nice pressed highlighter, I feel I feel if you’re a beginner at highlighting that a pressed powder is a safer way to do it with a brush.


June Diane Raphael  56:10

Great. That’s a great place to be. That’s a great place to be. Wow, you guys.


Kulap Vilaysack  57:00

June we can’t take more of your time you’re a busy busy lady.


June Diane Raphael  57:04

Have to go you know I don’t want to, I don’t want to this is really thank you for giving me this space to get the word these words out and to also tell the story of things that were things that are close to the nostalgia that disappointments, triumphs.


Kulap Vilaysack  57:28

Just a kiss, a smile is just a smile.


SuChin Pak  57:34

I mean what what truly is a warm bath but this conversation on June, June, you know, the queen of the baths so I feel I’m all hot and sweaty and moist and lovely, you know, just prepped, primed and prepped for the day.


June Diane Raphael  57:50

I’m so excited to that you’re going to begin your mascara journey. I really hope, I really want to check in about that. And I don’t care if it’s a mini episode or what but I want to, I want to stay on the beat there.


Kulap Vilaysack  58:03

Thank you June.


June Diane Raphael  58:06

To ensue. I am so excited to announce that the deep dive which says pickleball association is going to be hosting on May 13. An event called I’d hit that it is the Mother’s Day weekend. pickleball tournament may 13 at Toluca Lake. Kulap was our fashion judge for our dress code at our last tournament. Add to Carter’s I really hope you consider joining. We are going to have just a hell of a time. This is an event for human moms, dog moms non moms. We’re going to be celebrating caregivers of all kinds. We’re going to be toasting or we’re going to be getting massages, we’re going to be playing a leisure sport. Okay, let’s do it. Let’s be alive. Jane club.com/pickleball is the website please head there to purchase your tickets. We would not be able to do this without our incredible sponsors that I want to shout out real quick European wax center salt and of course the Jain club thank you to our sponsors for hosting I’d hit that this may 13 in Los Angeles, California, Gene club.com/pickleball I hope to see all you Add to Carter’s there.


Kulap Vilaysack  59:28

Okay, we are ready to go anywhere now. I mean, I’m not hitting a red carpet anytime soon. But next time I see you Su, I’ll be baked and primed.


SuChin Pak  59:38

And my lashes will have been you know, sitting there for since today’s recording, and we’ll see how that goes. Of course you can find everything we talked about because my goodness, we could hear a pin drop in the room. Go to our Instagram at Add to Cart pod. If you’re dying to share your favorite beauty items for spring please We’d love to hear it. We’d love to hear from you guys. Our voicemail number is 833-453-6662 That’s 833-453-6662. Bye.


Kulap Vilaysack  1:00:13



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