The Ultimate Yellowjackets Deep Dive (Part 1)

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WARNING: Major spoilers ahead! This week, Yellowjackets superfans Hoja, Kiki, and Mohanad react to the epic season finale of the hit Showtime series. They unpack their favorite fan theories, make their predictions for season 2, and decide which character needs to apologize the most. Plus, Kiki calls out the racist girls from her childhood Girl Scout troop and Mohanad asks for an apology from the creator of Wordle on this week’s Sorry Not Sorry.

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Hoja Lopez, Mohanad Elshieky, Kiki Monique

Kiki Monique  00:08

I’m Kiki Monique. And this is I’M SORRY, a podcast about apologies. And this week, I’m really going to test out just how long I can keep driving. After that low fuel warning light goes off, because I refuse to fill up again until these gas prices go down.

Mohanad Elshieky  00:28

And I’m Mohanad Elshieky, and this week, I just plan to continue living, you know, so we’ll see how that goes.

Hoja Lopez  00:35

And I’m Hoja Lopez. And I learned to weave in the last 48 hours in a little personal loom that somebody gave me. So that’s pretty cool. I’m making patches for my pants that I ripped the other day.

Kiki Monique  00:48

Oh, so not weaving hair. You can’t help me in that.

Hoja Lopez  00:51

No, I cannot do that. That part seems highly complex. I would be terrible at that.

Kiki Monique  01:02

Disclaimer, everyone. Before we get into this episode, we are going to be talking about Yellowjackets. It’s a show on Showtime. Very, very good. If you haven’t watched, I would say probably stop listening now because there are going to be a lot of spoilers. In this episode, the season finale happened and we are going to be talking all about it. And you know who owes who and apology. Full disclosure, I will say that I happen to be a Showtime partner. I got to promote the show during the season, which was really awesome. Because I already loved the show when they came to me. So I just want to let that be known. We’re not talking about this show. Because of that. We’re talking about the show just because we love this frickin show.

Hoja Lopez  01:48

We are obsessed. That’s true.

Kiki Monique  01:50

So we’re gonna I mean, we all took a quiz, right? We all took a Buzzfeed quiz to see you know which Yellowjackets character we would be. And I don’t think I was as surprised by my results. I turned out to be Nat who’s Juliette Lewis. And it says you’re undeniably cool. Don’t take life too seriously. You take risks others are too afraid to take and I will say I’m not saying I’m undeniably cool that they said that. But what I will say is I don’t take life too seriously because I am a Sagittarius. And I definitely take risks mostly because it’s just I live my life on the edge. I live a compromised life sometimes

Hoja Lopez  02:30

Do you feel because this is my interpretation. Do you feel unhedged? And then any moment could you snap?

Kiki Monique  02:37

Oh, unhinge, just like I think where I live like 90% of the time […] yeah, it’s I’m comfortable there.

Mohanad Elshieky  02:48

That’s a good character to get. I get Lottie and all it said toward me is you are not mentally well, seek help. And I’m just like, why would you say that? They were like you’re gonna start a cold and you’re gonna like pray to God. No one is aware of but I’m a Pisces. So I guess that tracks.

Hoja Lopez  03:06

Lots of things falling into place. You know, that’s so funny because I got Lottie Matthews, too. And basically, it’s just what it said to me was, You are the tip of all icebergs. So there’s much deeper, there’s much behind what you do, right? You’re crazy on the outside. But on the inside, you have a wealth of knowledge, beauty, and just all good things to bring to other people. That’s basically what it said to me.

Kiki Monique  03:34

I’m surprised you both got Lottie’s. But I also I mean, Lottie has so many personalities. I guess it also kind of makes sense that, you know, different people with different personalities could get her

Hoja Lopez  03:46

I also am a little bit psychic. I feel.

Kiki Monique  03:49

Oh, yeah. Did anything happen? Like anything recent that you remember?

Hoja Lopez  03:53

Well, I was like, I think my period is gonna be here tomorrow. And then guess what? So that’s all I’m saying.

Mohanad Elshieky  04:00

It’ll be fine. If you’re like, you can only predict periods. Look at them in the eye and be like, yeah, you gotta get ready.

Kiki Monique  04:22

Now, I mean, okay, I will say like, without aging myself, like, the thing I love the most about this episode is obviously when they you know, we’re always flashing back to 1996. No, we have this, you know, group of girls, they’re all on a championship winning soccer team where they’re headed to the championships. You know, they get on this plane. It’s a private plane, and the plane ends up crash landing in the wilderness. And so when we flash forward to current timeline, you know, the four main characters, obviously we know that they’ve survive but when we flashed back to 96′ there’s a bunch of people to you know did survive some people didn’t survive but a bunch of people did survive. We don’t know who made it other than those four main characters into the current timeline, you know, who didn’t, you know, passed away or sort of went into the shadows. But we learned that obviously by this finale by the season finale, well aware of all the people who have died and sort of like what is happening in this it’s turning into Lord of the Flies. There’s been no cannibalism yet. Which I did hope to see. I will say by the finale, I was hoping to see some cannibalism.

Hoja Lopez  05:38

I don’t know if I’ve ever heard those words set out loud in that exact order. And so sweetly, too.

Mohanad Elshieky  05:44

I am really starting to think I don’t know I mean; this is gonna like, get into like, season two guessing but I think it would be such a twist if we learned that there literally has not been cannibalism at all.

Kiki Monique  05:59

Okay, when we talked about this, we texted about this as soon as we watched the finale, and I think your words were, this episode changed my life. And I guess I really have been like, intrigued by what do you mean by it changed your life?

Mohanad Elshieky  06:14

Well, it’s not change. It changed me. I just, I don’t know, like, you know, you watch something and then immediately you just feel like somebody has broken inside of you. I literally that’s how I felt. Because like, sometimes, like at the end with Jackie dies. I feel like we built the whole season toward like, is she gonna be the queen at the end? Is she back? Is she the one killing people?

Kiki Monique  06:40

Well, that was my theory. I definitely thought she was antler queen. So yeah, then she died. I was like out the window.

Mohanad Elshieky  06:45

Or is she the one who’s gonna get like, get hunted. And then it was neither. And also I’m sorry, like the way she died. I feel like this is the most teenager dumb way to die.

Hoja Lopez  06:57

I’m gonna run away and pitch a tent in my backyard and then pass away frozen from the call.

Kiki Monique  07:03

But to me like it was the dumbest, most teenage way. But it was also the most telling part to me of their switching psyche, because here they are, they all get in the stupid fight, you know, like inside and the jackets like I’m leaving, you know. And so she leaves and goes and sleeps outside. Now, she wakes up the next morning, and she’s covered in snow. I mean, but the night before it was still freezing, like even before the snow. It’s been freezing every night. And just the fact that none of them and her best friend Sean and none of them though, we’re like before I lay my head to go to sleep. Let me just tell her to come back inside because it’s obviously going to like drop below freezing. And this is a dumb fight. Nobody needs to get hypothermia over it. The fact that they all just like went to bed after they ate their bare meat and laid down, to me it was signifying of like they have crossed over into like a little bit of psychopathic sociopathic behavior already.

Hoja Lopez  07:58

I feel like the finale was definitely like, kind of it did all the things that mystery shows do like it ties up a few things. And then it also leaves us with like a ton of other questions on the other side, like in preparation for the excitement of another season. I guess maybe I’d like to talk about maybe where everybody is kind of like, because all the stuff that’s happening is basically with like Shauna and Jeff and by the way, I love that brunch scene where Jeff and Shawna go and meet with Jackie’s parents. You guys remember that? A couple episodes back. That was such a good scene by the way. So Taissa is basically you know, kind of broken up or in a separation period with her wife, which by the way again, apology owed to her own son for I guess at this point, gaslighting him, like what is going on? I mean, can you imagine if the person you trusted both was like waking up in the middle of the night, and like had dirt on their face and was just staring into your window? You’d have to leave. But he can’t because he’s a child.

Kiki Monique  09:02

But I mean, at least Ty was aware enough when she realized she was sleepwalking again, to get her family out of harm’s way because as we know, when she sleeps walks, I mean that’s you know how Van you know, her girlfriend at the time ends up getting attacked by a wolf. Yeah, she’s off sleepwalking. And you know, bad things happen when she’s sleepwalks. So she gets rid of her family, just to save them. So even though she’s depressed and like, you know, her kids all fucked up in the head about it. At least they’ll survive, I guess.

Hoja Lopez  09:34

Yeah, maybe it won’t be so bad. So your impressions of Taissa thus far for the season? What do you think?

Mohanad Elshieky  09:41

At first, yeah, I was like, okay, she she’s aware of what she’s doing when she sleeps, walk. So she got her family. That’s a good thing. But then we get to the final scene, where we realize that she killed the fucking dog and sacrificed it just to get a Senate seat. Which to be fair, I was like this is the most Congress person move ever. Yeah, cuz I imagined people in Congress with you that. Cuz like the way she smiled at the end it was too much, but I felt so bad for her wife like I cannot imagine walking into this shit. I was scared for her

Hoja Lopez  10:24

There’s a small dungeon in our own home with a dog head in it.

Kiki Monique  10:28

Would you climb into that hole? I can’t I don’t even care like; we would never discover the dead dog cuz I’m like oh this is creepy. Let me get the fuck out of here. Let me get my suitcase.

Mohanad Elshieky  10:39

I would never do that cuz like what if it closes behind me or something? And I never understand why people do this shit. Yeah, like call someone and have them go there like a professional or something. I am not walking into this shit.

Kiki Monique  10:55

Yeah, if you see blood leading into a pathway underneath your house, dial 911, I’m just saying.

Hoja Lopez  11:01

It’s dark. It’s creepy.

Kiki Monique  11:05

Turn the lights on also, when I discovered the blood, the lights will come on when I go into the basement, period.

Hoja Lopez  11:13

I’ll be walking around in my little iPhone light to just shine it on everything shine on that shine on this, I’m on that. So I guess my question is like what apologies do we think Ty owes, which I think are plenty and lengthy but I’m definitely to her son for gaslighting him. She has an apology to us for gaslighting us because they didn’t tell us what was going on until that exact moment. Like we found out with her, you know?

Mohanad Elshieky  11:38

Her wife too obviously. And apparently the people who voted for her.

Hoja Lopez  11:43

The constituents at large. I agree. And then in the jungle I’ll call it jungle but in the forest, she should definitely apologize to her ex. I mean, what was her kind of like? You know, like a bat out of hell trying to get out of there like did you guys agree with her leaving like would you have left with her? Would you have stayed?

Mohanad Elshieky  12:02

I’ll say this I think all of them at some point would before they got so cold, should have left together because what the fuck are you doing just sitting there and doing nothing just walk all together? Because they’re gonna be devastated would they learn that the highway is 20 minutes away?

Hoja Lopez  12:41

Moving on to Misty who is I mean Christina Ricci plays so many amazing roles and I think this is like right in her wheelhouse. It’s so fun to watch her do yet another like strange creature kind of role. But who do you think Misty needs to apologize to and why?

Kiki Monique  13:00

Where does the […]. Let’s start from episode you know one when she destroyed the recorder, the plane recorder so they could never be found. She’s the reason they are in the wilderness for as long as they are because she was so happy that she finally had people that depended on her with her first aid skills and all of that. She would rather be stuck out in the wilderness never to be found.

Hoja Lopez  13:28

Because their coaches listen up for that gay coach. You know, okay, we get it Misty. Everybody in high school loved a gay man and thought it was true love, we get it. But definitely Misty has got a lot apologizing to do.

Mohanad Elshieky  13:42

I’d say that her like her older character is funny though. Like when they were like standing around with the body and she was like, she said something like stupid […] like to […] like, do you want to take a stab at it or something? You’re good at this.

Hoja Lopez  13:57

Yeah. She’s sort of like a lovable psychopath or sociopath. Like there’s something about her both like, as an older characters and younger character that’s just very lovable.

Kiki Monique  14:09

I mean, she has a woman chained in her basement and you’re sort of like rooting for her.

Mohanad Elshieky  14:14

Also that woman I’m just like, sorry, you’re kind of stupid too, why did you go to the cops? What the fuck are you doing? And also like, you took the cigarettes back from the trash like, what about Misty did you think is trustworthy? You know what I thought when she left at first? I didn’t know that she put something in the cigarettes. I thought she caught her breaks or something. I didn’t know that she was gonna go this like elaborate thing where like she would like throw them in the trash and then give it back to her.

Kiki Monique  14:49

You’re better than me because I actually I thought the woman had talked her way out of the basement and that Misty had gotten Misty herself and I was like, oh, Misty. You’re falling off. But clearly, not only is she not falling off, she’s thought 14 steps ahead of like, yeah, she’s gonna want these cigarettes. I’m going to inject these cigarettes. And I don’t want her to think I injected them. So I’m gonna throw them away to make her seem like I did it for her best interest. So she begs for me to have them back.

Mohanad Elshieky  15:17

Yeah, because Misty is not interested in a book deal or expose, or whatever. She just enjoys what she’s doing now. She’s just liked a fucking psychopath that she wants to be liked. And that’s it.

Kiki Monique  15:28

Well, that’s why I love that scene. So like, okay, you know, Nat, as we’ve learned has a substance abuse problem. She’s in and out of rehab. Ty has paid for these rehabs, you know, because obviously, she feels guilty about something we don’t really know why she’s paid for these rehabs. But you know, one scene, Nat relapses and misty busts into the hotel room and like snorts up all the cocaine just so Nat won’t do it. So we really think that misty is really concerned about Nat’s well-being well then fast forward to you know, now they have to hide the body. And always see Nat and Misty talking about is okay, I’ll do this. As long as you do what we agreed to, my mind immediately goes to Oh, Misty must have made a deal that Nat will go back to rehab if she does this, because she cared about her. No, Misty just wanted to make sure Nat showed up for the reunion, because she wanted to have her foursome and be the cool for some, when they did the slow walk into the reunion as the cool girls who were lost in the wilderness. Misty is so just like; she doesn’t care about the book deal. She literally cares about this friendship with these girls. Yeah. And being cool with these girls, which is like, wow.

Mohanad Elshieky  16:36

She just wants to feel needed, that’s it, Yeah, I mean, that’s why she works with the older people as well. She just thrives on like being needed and having someone will depend on her.

Hoja Lopez  16:47

But she does have some pretty like incredible survival skills. She definitely feels like a good candidate for like baby sitters club. You know, when she was like a kid with the curly hair, like it just feels like somebody who would know how to take care of a child and manipulate the parents into doing heinous things. But obviously, the child would be very well taken care of. But yeah, I really enjoyed Misty. I mean, I definitely think she needs to apologize to coach because it’s like, that’s definitely you know, a cosmic and that’s rude. But she also saved his life. So it’s almost like this duality with her. Okay, this is going to be controversial, but does everybody kind of need to get on the Misty bandwagon? Like do they just all need to kind of like, appreciate her and just say thank you because it seems like she’s kind of keeping them all alive isn’t has done some pretty crazy shit to keep the whole thing going, you know?

Mohanad Elshieky  17:39

I mean, she is yeah, I mean, they need to be nicer to her. Like, even if not for keeping them alive. You know? She’s a fucking psycho.

Kiki Monique  17:49

Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, like okay, yes, she accidentally drugged them all with shrooms, but she had a good time. Did you not? I mean, until she tried to kill Travis. Travis. Yes, but up until that point, you were having a really great night.

Mohanad Elshieky  18:07

Yeah, absolutely. And that brings me to the point where I think everyone needs to apologize to Travis. And they also honestly, I mean, I know Jackie’s dead now even though I’m gonna live in the illusion that she’s gonna live somehow and the fucking Lottie gods are gonna save her and she’s gonna pull up Jon Snow and come back but I think the also owe Jackie an apology because she was right you guys were acting fucking insane. Like why are you upset at her for pointing that out? Like you’re acting insane You almost killed Travis, you’ve tried to stab him to death? Also you tried to have like a fucking orgy with him or whatever. And he did not seem to enjoy it or like consent to it by any means. He just wanted to be left alone. They also all need to apologize to Van for like, literally, almost left her to burn the fucking plane at the first time. And then the second time they thought she was dead. I’m like, okay, we’re just gonna throw her in the fire. Like, why do you want to burn this? This goes so bad. I don’t know. I feel like everyone is owed an apology and everyone also needs to apologize for a lot of stuff. You know? I mean, Javi bless his soul does not need to apologize to anyone. He’s just to just to do it in the background.

Kiki Monique  19:34

Well, we still don’t even know where he is. I mean, Shauna has scared him off telling him to run and he’s clearly run maybe he’s run to civilization, he just kept running.

Mohanad Elshieky  19:46

I really hope so. And the thing is like I don’t know like we never know who survived what I mean, we know Lottie is alive and she has liked her small cult going on still. But I don’t know who else made it because they were not there to the reunion, one person who was in the reunion is the woman who did not make it on the plane and for some reason, decided that she’s also traumatized. Yeah, she was so traumatized that she now has a jersey accent.

Hoja Lopez  20:17

Oh my god. Okay, and then I guess moving to the next one. So we’ve done Misty we’ve done Ty. So Natalie. So who does Natalie need to apologize to or who needs to apologize to Natalie?

Kiki Monique  20:30

I mean, I really feel like at this point, you know, part of me wants to say, Travis, but then part of me kind of doesn’t because, like, did he really do anything wrong by you know, sleeping with someone just to get it out of the way?

Hoja Lopez  20:47

Yeah, maybe her dad was kind of a piece of piece of shit. The one that like, do you remember the scene where they were like having a fight and he hit her mom. And then he ended up like shooting himself with the gun. Yeah. Which I guess if we can request apologies from dead people, we’d be here all damn day. Lots of dead people were mean. But him in particular maybe owes Natalie an apology.

Mohanad Elshieky  21:11

Yeah. I don’t think Natalie owes anyone an apology. That’s my heartache. Even Kevin […] Travis. Yeah, I mean, what did she do? She slept with him and then lost a bullet. This is how you defund the police in my opinion.

Kiki Monique  21:27

Yeah, I mean, while she’s okay. She did steal his gun. So that one would be like maybe he would lose his career. So yeah, something that happened. So that would have been okay. Apologize for that.

Mohanad Elshieky  21:38

Natalie. Keep doing it one by one until you end the whole force.

Hoja Lopez  21:44

So you’re advocating, we should have sex with cops? Is what you’re saying?

Mohanad Elshieky  21:47

No, I mean, Natalie. Yes. But she’s gonna take that burn foot. So it’d be good for her. It got her nowhere, but you know.

Hoja Lopez  21:55

Also, it was he like a pot dealer turned cop? Is that the because that tracks to.

Mohanad Elshieky  22:01

I don’t know. I mean, Kevin, I’m not really interested in your arc. You could disappear now. I also think someone who doesn’t owe anyone an apology is sweet Laura Lee, you know?

Kiki Monique  22:13

Yeah, well, I mean, unless you want to say that she owes Lottie an apology for not listening to Lottie’s vision when she saw the explosion behind her head. I mean, that would be like she wouldn’t know.

Mohanad Elshieky  22:27

Yeah, I also think it’s so funny because like, she, Laura Lee, kind of got Lottie a bit into God. And then Lottie immediately was just like, Okay, now I am an extremist. You’re gonna take that face and really […] Exactly. I’m just gonna go insane and start my own cult. I like this whole religion thing you introduced me to I’m gonna start my own.

Hoja Lopez  22:54

That’s when you mix religion with insanity is like all you need is to introduce a crazy person to God and then it really takes off from there.

Mohanad Elshieky  23:03

It truly is. Yeah, it like literally that’s how it worked for her. And I felt bad for the fucking bear as well.

Hoja Lopez  23:12

The bear laid down his life honey, that was no fight he was like I’m ready for y’all cute girls to eat me up that’s basically what the bear did I feel.

Kiki Monique  23:22

I would have been like you know also like that bear was sick I would have been on team was that bear sick or am I supposed to believe that Lottie has such power over like the wilderness and nature she was able to have the bear bend to its her will.

Hoja Lopez  23:37

Where was the toxic bravado bear like where did it go your usual height? This was a very subdued bear. So I think I also would have been on […]. But this is TV land so anything could happen.

Kiki Monique  23:51

Yeah, I mean, I was still even if I thought the bear was sick I guess if I was starving it but well just cook it extra like well well done.

Hoja Lopez  24:02

What do you think bear tastes like?

Kiki Monique  24:05

It feels like it would be tough I mean they’re strong as fuck like yeah, they have a lot of muscle doesn’t seem like they have a lot of fat.

Mohanad Elshieky  24:11

I probably like beef I’d say I don’t know. I think the worst thing about all of it is just like you guys been eating all of this meat with like no seasoning and shit.

Kiki Monique  24:20

Okay, that’s what I want to know there was there any seasoning in the pantry in the cabin they found like any at all? If I go to my parents’ house right now, there’s definitely like a you know, salt and pepper shaker from like 1984 still in there somewhere in the back. They don’t throw away their spices.

Hoja Lopez  24:39

The salt is all stuck together and you know, put rice in it to get the moisture out.

Mohanad Elshieky  24:43

To be fair, I mean, judging by how big the group is and everything. I’d say some of them were just like, yeah, that’s how I actually consume meat all the time. There’s no seasoning in this house, baby.

Hoja Lopez  25:14

Okay, and then we get to Shauna kind of our queen bee, or what I would call maybe the protagonist of this TV show because they give her so much airtime. And that relationship between her and Jeff and the daughter is so juicy. And she’s at the center of this thing with dead boyfriend guy. There’s a lot of swirling ideas on whether or not you know, he was in on it, but Shauna is, I see right now, she’d been bad.

Kiki Monique  25:43

Yeah, like she immediately owes all bunny rabbits an apology. I mean, the way she can just like grab them out of the yard and just like, cut them up into stew.

Hoja Lopez  25:52

To let you know, that is illegal in Illinois, you are not allowed to grab bunnies from because there’s many, many bunnies in Illinois and all the arts. You’re not allowed to do that. So she probably broke the law. Probably broke the law. And yes, she’s done worse. But that is one of the counts that I would bring her down for. She definitely owes an apology to her daughter, who in spite of being a raging little bitch, is still a minor and a child and needs to be taken care of. So I’ll say that.

Kiki Monique  26:22

Yeah, she doesn’t need to know that. You’re like, yeah, having an affair with this random dude. And like out at, like, the clubs that she’s going to.

Hoja Lopez  26:31

She should not be at either.

Mohanad Elshieky  26:33

Yeah, and I also think, Jeff, I don’t know if he owes an apology for black man exam. I mean, she has money, that lady, whatever, man. But also he took it really well that he was being cheated on.

Kiki Monique  26:49

He was blackmailing basically his wife and her friends, but […] she was getting a little bit, you know, on the side.

Mohanad Elshieky  26:58

But also his wife brought up a bigger crime other than cheating and she was like, yeah, I cheated. Also killed a man.

Kiki Monique  27:05

Okay, yeah, you’re right. She buried the [..]? Awesome. Murdered someone.

Mohanad Elshieky  27:12

I think it’s so funny that line or he’s like, there’s no book club. Like, yeah, buddy. There’s no book.

Kiki Monique  27:19

Well, that’s the thing like this whole time. We’re thinking, you know, Jeff is like cheating on her. He is like this, like skeezy sketchy dude. And honestly, he’s just as dopey as his friend, Randy. The two of them are just idiots. He thought there was a book club, and she was going to it. And he also thought he could blackmail. You know, her friends, because he couldn’t keep the furniture store afloat.

Hoja Lopez  27:43

I don’t know why that sentence is so fucking funny to me. Because he couldn’t keep the furniture store afloat. Oh my god.

Mohanad Elshieky  27:55

Okay, question. Do you guys think in a scenario like this, would you make it in the woods?

Hoja Lopez  28:00

Oh, okay. Okay, you guys go first. I gotta think about it.

Kiki Monique  28:04

No, I mean, I say all the time, you know, my cardio is bad. And I’m not saying we need a lot of cardio. But being that I would probably want to be one of the people that’s like, let’s try to get out of this situation. Like just sitting here. waiting to get saved isn’t working out. My cardio is bad. I haven’t gone hiking in a while. So I just don’t know, if I would make it very long. And I just the idea of having to just like eat whatever is found.

Mohanad Elshieky  28:35

Yeah, I don’t know. I feel like now I’m just gonna say no, I’m like, not gonna make it. I’m gonna like literally just say what you said Kiki, but the thing is, I just feel like human beings when you like throw that like situations like this. Something inside of you like awaken. Like, I feel like years ago, if you told me that I was going to be stuck at home and like, all of this shit. Like, no, I’m just gonna fucking not make it. And then out of nowhere, we’re thrown into a situation and somehow you just adapt.

Hoja Lopez  29:07

It is interesting. There’s another show on Amazon Prime called The Wilds and it’s also about a group of girls on a team crashing into the wilderness. So if you’re in a detox mode and you need your intravenous TV of girls getting lost in the wilderness then maybe go head over to the wild.

Kiki Monique  29:28

Your modern-day version. It’s so funny too because they say like if you have an idea in Hollywood, 10 other people have that idea and just the fact that like there was multiple pitches of like, picture it, Lord of the Flies, girls they’re like feel free to heard this before.

Mohanad Elshieky  29:46

Like no one has done like teen girls that was needed. Because we only want you think about like man, like how they would react in this scenario, but like once you switch it up and like okay, yeah, I wonder what they would do. And I also think it’s so funny because like watching Yellowjackets and then at the same time watching the new euphoria, which is also teens in high school.

Hoja Lopez  30:10

It’s like Yellowjackets, but emotionally only.

Mohanad Elshieky  30:12

Yeah, it makes anything that happens on euphoria, not that unhedged anymore. Did you eat someone? Did you fucking eat someone? Did you been through nothing?

Kiki Monique  30:27

You make a good point, Mohanad, because you’re right. I actually am going to go with your theory on this. Because they haven’t done this with women. We know what men are going to do. And men are just going to resort to this eating me right away. And that is why I agree with you. I think we might not see cannibalism. We’re gonna allude to it, but women are going to be doing maybe, you know, they say like cats are the biggest serial killers in nature. They don’t actually kill to eat anything. They just kill to kill. What does that mean? What if that’s we’re just killing the kill? Maybe they’re not surviving. They got bear meat. It’s gonna last them.

Mohanad Elshieky  31:05

Yeah, I guess it also depends really on like, maybe there is no cannibalism, but it was like killing people because like, we don’t know what Lottie’s god is asking her to do because we know now that she did kill Travis, adult Travis. So she is into killing people. So there’s the God demands like blood sacrifices. So are they going to kill other people? Because we also like when we see them in the pilot, there are not many people there like what like seven people, six people. So some of the other women have gotten killed or died or of some sort. I am also have a theory where, you know, at the end of season one, we see Lottie, we see Van, and there’s a third woman. It was Misty. So I’m constantly thinking that maybe even Van makes it and she is also part of Lottie’s cult right now. Because like someone had to follow her into her like, cult mode.

Kiki Monique  32:04

Yeah. And she was definitely getting into that which tie was like, again, she was just like, why are you believing this? And she’s like, you don’t know what’s happening. So she’s very much I mean, she has survived death, escaped death twice. So you know what, maybe you get a little religious after that.

Mohanad Elshieky  32:20

Yeah, there’s no way Van is gonna die. Like she had her opportunities to die. And she make it so I think she does survive.

Kiki Monique  32:30

And she’s part of this new Lottie cult that exist in the present time.

Hoja Lopez  32:35

Yeah, I definitely think there’s some people we haven’t seen that have survived for sure.

Mohanad Elshieky  32:40

Because they talk about them too. Because he talked about like, have you seen any of the others? No, I have not so we know some other people have survived. Honestly, what I’m really interested in now is knowing who’s gonna play adult them like who’s gonna be adult Lottie? Who’s gonna be adult Laura Lee because she survived. And I refuse to believe that woman is dead.

Kiki Monique  33:02

That she was blown out of the sky in that […] play.

Mohanad Elshieky  33:05

Yeah. I mean, that explosion could not kill anyone.

Hoja Lopez  33:09

Yeah. Something else I love about the show is it is just like; it is so gay. The entire show top to bottom to me feels like a queer show. I mean, the theme song is so gay. Like it just reminds me of like, Ani DiFranco like, you know, like 90s gay girl rock stuff. They’ve got seances. They’ve got actual like, girl on girl kisses. I mean, this is gay culture. And I feel like this is like lesbians are coming up right now. Like, queer women are like, on the forefront of culture right now. And I’m just fully loving seeing it. You know? We’re everywhere right now.

Kiki Monique  33:45

Actually looking at your face, Hoja. I actually think you would be a good Lottie; you have a lot of her features. So maybe get an agent, audition. Season two hasn’t started filming yet and I just read a Rolling Stone interview with Melanie Lynskey. They haven’t served film yet. So you got time.

Hoja Lopez  34:05

Okay. I will call my agent and I’m gonna be like, excuse me? Who’s gonna be grown Lottie.

Mohanad Elshieky  34:12

Yeah, it is so fucked up the I’m at an age right now. Or I can never be like, Oh, I wonder who’s gonna play adult me?

Kiki Monique  34:24

Do you wear prosthetics for the senior citizen.

Hoja Lopez  34:27

No, it would be like, you know, like, they basically put Chris Evans and elderly makeup but he’s still Captain America. 35 years old. That’s what they would do to you. Plaster your face with insanity.

Mohanad Elshieky  34:43

That is true.

Kiki Monique  34:43

Yeah. So okay, so of this whole season, who owes the most apologies?

Mohanad Elshieky  34:50

I’d say Lottie.

Kiki Monique  34:54

I’m going to say Shauna and because honestly, Shauna is getting people caught up in murders Shauna is out here, you know, just like doing her own thing.

Hoja Lopez  35:04

And she’s betraying her current people. She’s not betraying in the past. She is currently in a cahoots with Jeff. So that’s pretty bad.

Kiki Monique  35:14

She’s slipping. She’s slipping. She didn’t know where her journals went she you know, she’s a little bit.

Hoja Lopez  35:20

I would say, I think I have to choose Misty, because I love Misty so much. But her getting rid of that beacon is the core basis of the entire, like, all the pain that has been caused all over, you know, wanting people to love her. And she’s just sort of obsessed with that. And I can’t fucking believe she did that. I think out of all the things that have happened that is the most egregious one, because they could have gotten saved. But then we wouldn’t have our favorite TV show right now.

Mohanad Elshieky  35:54

You know exactly.

Hoja Lopez  35:55

What a runaway hit too. I’m so glad that everybody loves Yellowjackets, because it is such a fun show.

Kiki Monique  36:01

Yeah, I’m always gonna root for shows where it’s like strong female leads, like, that’s it. The only thing I’m gonna watch.

Hoja Lopez  36:08

You know, it’s like this or Ray Donovan. I’m like, well, I’m probably not gonna watch right now.

Mohanad Elshieky  36:16

Okay, team. So time for my favorite segment, which is sorry, not sorry, where we either get to apologize to someone for fucking up or we demand an apology. And like every week, we’re going to start with Hoja, what’s happening?

Hoja Lopez  36:31

Well, I guess I want to start off just by saying that I demand an apology from weather just in general. Okay, I am currently in a place that was supposed to be extremely Sunny. But probably about 70% of the time that I’ve been here has been raining. I don’t like that. I want weather to be for me and for me exclusively. And sometimes not all the time. But my worst parts of me are sometimes grateful for global warming in Chicago. And I’m like, you know, it’s gonna be fine in the Midwest, we’re going to be fine here. And the truth is, it will affect me and also many people, but the worst parts of me are occasionally happy about global warming. But yeah, I would like an apology from the weather and for raining so much while it was in paradise here. And also for being very sunny, the day that I leave. It’s like a joke.

Kiki Monique  37:22

Oh, that’s always the way.

Mohanad Elshieky  37:25

You gotta do some reverse psychology. You know, like, I go anywhere. And I’m like, the weather better be so bad, or I’m gonna be upset. And it usually works, you know. So I guess next time, I know, you said you’re thankful for global warming. I literally said that. I posted that on my story like two days ago. Maybe that’s where I got it. Well, I said, I said, it’s so called I’m kind of rooting for global warming. And I had more than one person send me like, climate change research on my story is, you know, people are stupid. And they’re like, you know, this is killing the polar bears. And it’s just like, Okay, well, first of all, polar bears aren’t whales. Let’s stop the lies here. So Kiki, what’s happening with you?

Kiki Monique  38:12

Well, you know, all this Yellowjackets talk today, it really unlocked a memory. And so I want to demand an apology from the girls in my Brownie troop, who ruined my experience made me quit, so that I never went on to become a Girl Scout. You know, brownies is like the it’s like the when you’re really young before Girl Scouts. It’s like the troop you join, you know, you’re too young to do like overnight camping trips and stuff like that, to do like, trips to like the parks in the woods and stuff. And there was this one particular, you know, trip to the woods that I took. And I remember there were two popular girls in the troop. And they like had asked me to like, go walk with them, which you know, when you’re a kid, you’re like, I’ve been anointed, the popular girls want to hang with me, we’re gonna go like walk to the river. I don’t really know where we’re walking. So we’re walking along this path. And I don’t even know, like how the conversation got to this point. But at some point, they started calling me a burnt brownie. It was two White girls. And so I’m the Black girl, they started calling me a burnt brownie. So of course, I immediately like go into tears run away. I think one of the girls, I think one of her mom’s was like one of the troop leaders. And so like, I ran to her and I think she had her apologize, but even as a kid. I remember the feeling of her not being sincere in her apology like she was being forced to tell me I’m sorry, but like didn’t feel it. And I think I knew that. So after that I just, I think I told my mom I didn’t want to go back to brownies and so I quit so the only reason I even wouldn’t know how to possibly start a fire in the woods would be because of the show. survivor because I definitely did not learn because I quit. Never got to be a Girl Scout.

Hoja Lopez  40:06

I want a time machine so I can go terrorize those two little girls. And I’m going to grab them by their cheeks really hard and be like you little pieces of shit. And then I’m going to rub their face on something because that’s what you do. When you want to teach somebody a lesson.

Kiki Monique  40:22

Well, this is why also like there was something to kind of like triggering about the Yellowjackets episode. It’s like, this is why I have no interest in ever going to a reunion. I don’t know. Anyone from my past?

Mohanad Elshieky  40:35

Absolutely. No, fuck that.

Kiki Monique  40:37

Well, Mohanad, do you have something less traumatizing?

Mohanad Elshieky  40:42

It’s not traumatizing by any means. Have you guys been playing that game Wordo.

Hoja Lopez  40:48


Kiki Monique  40:49

I’ve never even heard of it.

Mohanad Elshieky  40:50

Wordo is basically it’s a word guessing game. Can everyone is like so into it right now. Everyone like posting it. Because at 12AM, there’s a new one. And you could only get one a day. And that’s it. And everyone is into it. And apparently the guy who created the game is a person who literally created for his wife because she loves like word guessing games. And then you know, it caught on. But the thing is, it’s the thing I do every time when I wake up and it kind of dictates where my day is going now.

Kiki Monique  41:25

Really, like based on whether you can guess or not.

Mohanad Elshieky  41:28

So far, I have guessed all of them. But it’s also very stressful because you’re like, okay, I am on my sixth try right now. And I have not guessed it yet. And is this gonna be the worst day of my life when my streak is over? And the thing is, is just like I do not like the fact that my mental health is just like, based on this game right now. Anyway, what I’m saying is, man, stop playing with me. Like I need this. Like literally, this is the only thing I have left. Yesterday’s guests was extremely hard. And I’m just like, did you have a fight with your wife or something? Because I feel like the guesses get harder depending on your relationship with your wife. And I need this to stop. Well, I’m already obsessed. I would highly recommend that. It’s so fun. It’s very addictive.

Kiki Monique  42:17

Not that I need another thing to like distract me for six hours on my phone. I mean, I literally go into the bathroom in the morning and nobody sees me for two hours because I’m just in there just reading stuff like my legs are numb. Because I just don’t move.

Mohanad Elshieky  42:35

I literally have that every morning. My right leg always go numb and I’m just like I need to stop doing this.

Hoja Lopez  42:42

I’m here going around just slapping it like some tap dancing my stroke.

Kiki Monique  42:54

I’M SORRY is a Lemonada Media Original. The show is produced by Alex McOwen, supervising producer is Kryssy Pease. Our executive producers are Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Our mix is by Kat Yore and theme music was composed by Xander Singh. If you like this show, please rate and review. And please don’t cancel us. You can find out more about our show at @LemonadaMedia on all social platforms, or follow us on Instagram at @imsorry_podcast. We’ll be back next week and until then be nice, play fair and always say I’m sorry. Thanks for listening!

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