Who’s Getting Canceled in 2022? Mid-Year Check-In

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Kiki, Hoja, and Mohanad take a look back at their predictions for who they think would get canceled in 2022 and give an update on some of their picks. The crew evaluates how the first half of the year has treated Wendy Williams, Harry and Meghan, Queen Elizabeth, JoJo Siwa, and more. Then, will Kiki and Mohanad add Hoja to the next cancellation list over her misguided declaration of love for landlords? Plus, the trio weighs in on a listener apology and Mohanad politely requests an apology from an adult man who bullied him over his decision to wear a mask.

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Mohanad Elshieky, Kiki Monique, Hoja Lopez

Hoja Lopez  00:00

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Kiki Monique  00:39

I’m Kiki Monique and this is I’M SORRY, your weekly dose of pop culture, celebrity missteps, and public apologies. And this week, I decided I want to be a reality TV star.

Hoja Lopez  00:51

I could see that for you Kiki.

Mohanad Elshieky  00:52

Yeah, me too. And this is one Mohanad Elshieky and this week, I’m just super excited to talk about today’s episode and the topic. And you’ll see why.

Hoja Lopez  01:03

I’m so excited. And my name is Hoja Lopez. And this week, I have spent a couple of sleepless nights because there are cats who are having just a profound lovemaking session about once a night 2AM to 3AM. And I’m happy for them. Not everybody can find love and good sex. So, good job, cats.

Mohanad Elshieky  01:24

Good job, cats. Not the musical just to cats outside of Hoja’s.

Hoja Lopez  01:28

Thank you for that clarification.

Mohanad Elshieky  01:30

I just want people to know, I don’t want to be quoted out of context and ruin her life.

Hoja Lopez  01:35

No. And I know you guys love cats. And like that’s true. And because I’m a gay person, I also should love cats. And I do I do. Enjoy cats. I love cats. But I don’t have a need to own a cat or to be around a cat all the time.

Mohanad Elshieky  01:55

This is such a brave thing of you to say, for someone who has been to my house and been around my cats for you to be like, I actually don’t need cats around me.

Kiki Monique  02:06

She’s been around my cats too. She’s been in my house around my cats.

Hoja Lopez  02:10

And that’s who you’re inviting. That’s who’s coming over to your house or really in the case of Kiki inviting my own damn self. But yeah, I feel sort of like a step mother like, Oh, those aren’t my real children. You know? And like, can a step mother love? Sure. But that’s not my real biological child. You know? Not like your cats are your biological children.

Kiki Monique  02:33

Yes, they are.

Mohanad Elshieky  02:33

I mean, if there’s one thing a lot knows so much about, it’s Science, I can tell you. That’s right.

Hoja Lopez  02:39

That’s right. And that’s why my dogs aka my biological children, I do love plentifully holy would give my life for them would lay down, you know, would lay down my life for them. But if I had a cat, I just be like, cool. That’s my wife’s child. And they’re great. And I can appreciate them. But love, I don’t know.

Mohanad Elshieky  03:01

Well, just saying that. You know, this week, we’re talking about who’s getting canceled in 2022 an update, and I think I might just add you to the list. Yeah,

Kiki Monique  03:09

Yeah, I do. It’s appropriate. I think actually, if we look at the numbers, both you and I’m 100 have requested apologies from Hoja, this year

Mohanad Elshieky  03:21

Almost every week. It’s insane.

Hoja Lopez  03:24

I will not be shamed. This. I’ve said this over and over on this podcast. I can’t be shamed. I won’t be shamed. I can’t be coerced into apologizing. I thought I was a good person. But maybe I’m the villain of this podcast.

Mohanad Elshieky  03:37

I think the list we have Hoja that you have a lot of people that you can compete with. They’re just extremely bad.

Kiki Monique  03:44

I know. But when we yeah, we made our list. I felt like Yeah, we had sort of like one impression of most of these people. And like I think that’s why it’s always important for this, like mid-year check in because, there’s always some sleepers that come you know, come out that we just forget about. And then, you know, it’s interesting how some people when I look at our lists, like can pivot, like they were on the edge, they were on the precipice, and then they’ve somehow like, bounced back. And they’re just like, so far away from being canceled. It’s really interesting. And

Mohanad Elshieky  04:15

just to clarify, if you haven’t listened to the earlier episode, we have an episode earlier this year where we talked about who we think is going to be cancelled in 2022. And we made a list, we each pick, maybe like three or four people. And now we’re just doing an update to see if any of these people actually got cancelled or maybe even like close to being canceled. And maybe, you know, we’re just going to add few more names because we still have, what, six months

Hoja Lopez  04:45

Just to start off so I do want to start off because I did say somebody that was I wouldn’t say necessarily controversial but you guys had different opinions. And I think that time has kind of proven our points a little bit. So the person that I chose first was Wendy Williams. This is kind of at the height of her saying a bunch of sort of like sexist and kind of homophobic things. And I just kind of had it out for Wendy, I didn’t quite understand the charm that you too, thought she possessed. To me, I guess I was just kind of looking at somebody who I know this is gonna sound kind of mean, but like, kind of like, like a crazy person. And then later on, bam, pretty profound mental health issues. And now kind of going through, I guess what we could call it kind of a conservative-ish,. conservative. Would you call it a conservatorship a guardianship? Yeah. So I know, she just got placed under a court ordered financial guardianship, which is a little bit different than what Britney went through. But she essentially, you know, lawyers and people under Williams, I guess guardianship are saying that, that she’s incapacitated because she was a victim of undue influence and financial exploitation, before they filed the petition for guardianship. So essentially, it’s like, people in her camp are like, Wendy cannot take care of herself. She can’t do it. She’s being financially exploited. So we need to take her money away from her to save it. Which honestly, somebody needs to do that to me. I don’t do well with money. And I would like for somebody who’s very experienced to come and take over.

Mohanad Elshieky  06:27

I’m more than happy to do it, Let me know when I can have all of your money.

Hoja Lopez  06:34

I don’t know if that’s how it works. But yeah.

Kiki Monique  06:36

I mean, I’m sad about the Wendy Williams things for multiple reasons. One, her final episode aired on Friday, June They announced that and it and it was just a video tribute to her, you know, like she hasn’t been on since, you know, for all of like, 2021 2020. You know, they’ve had some guest hosts. And then I guess in the final week, they just really didn’t have and I, to me that’s like her legacy is that show? And so for them to just sort of like, I don’t know, that really breaks my heart. And then yeah, on top of it now the bank saying that, like she can’t control her own money. Like, I like I don’t know, I know, I can’t do anything. But I want to personally step in like, this isn’t like, this isn’t cool.

Hoja Lopez  07:26

She’s talking, they quoted her as saying like, my health is very well, I’m very comfortable. It says that, essentially, she was like, just give me like three or four months, and I’ll be back. And then in those three months or four months, it just has not been the case. I feel bad that I chose Wendy to be canceled. I think maybe there’s a part of me that like, when you don’t know that people are suffering or when they’re going through something and you just kind of judge them for it. And I definitely did that was Wendy Williams and I am struggling to kind of like look back and be like, Oh, this was somebody who was again suffering.

Hoja Lopez  07:31

We’ll just have to update the lesson I guess, remove Wendy Williams for you know, those reasons.

Hoja Lopez  08:13

Yes. It definitely feels like a bittersweet moment. I will I guess in some ways miss what I thought was the most you know what Wendy Williams seems like to me, it’s like she never really knew who she was ever talking about. And she was already on the show. Like she never like she would say like you know the whole like, what she call Dua Lipa, Dula Pete, like she just kind of didn’t really know who she was talking about I feel on the show, maybe some of them she did. But it was sort of like she was being handed copy. And you know, maybe I just didn’t appreciate that about her.

Kiki Monique  08:51

I think that like, look, I think that I would love to see Wendy come back. I would love to see Wendy get a new show. And I would love to see Wendy, you know, get just a new shot at all of this. And in that case, she’s completely allowed to get back to us. She has to like put her foot in her mouth and say something dumb and like, I think she would actually appreciate that because look, when you talk as much shit as Wendy Williams did, then you can take it too, right? But like now she’s in a position where it feels very one sided and so yeah, like she gets a stay, like she gets to get, she gets off.

Hoja Lopez  09:29

Okay, that’s official.

Mohanad Elshieky  09:31

Good thing. We have more people on the list, which is great. Which is fantastic. Well, Kiki, who did you have that is, that you want to give us an update on?

Kiki Monique  09:40

Well, you know, I guess the first person that or I guess I would say people on my mind is Megan Markel and Prince Harry just because we just had the Queen’s Jubilee. And you know, Harry and Megan flew out to London to attend and that was sort of a big deal because you know, they have not been associated with the Royal Family. I mean, they’ve been living in LA or you know, the fancy part of LA for a while. And you know, they got there. I know that they have like a Netflix steal. They have a Spotify deal. So when they got there, you know, the Queen did get to meet their newest grandma, her newest great granddaughter, or I guess that’s yeah, great granddaughter, but she did not allow them to take photos. So she definitely like put the kibosh on that. His own brother apparently did not meet with him one on one, so he didn’t get to hang out with like, William or Kate or their kids one on one. And what I understand is they’re on there. They’re sort of like; this is their final chance. If they’ve come back to LA. And if anything leaks from the Jubilee, they’re going to be permanently like banished from the royal tombs is my understanding from the […]

Kiki Monique  10:50

Their on the last fucking leg.

Mohanad Elshieky  10:53

That’s so funny to me. I also just want to put it on the record. I do not like Prince William. I don’t like that man. He just gives me bad vibes.

Kiki Monique  11:04

That’s fair.

Hoja Lopez  11:04

Where do you get this from?

Mohanad Elshieky  11:06

I don’t know. I hate him. I’m just gonna go ahead and say it.

Hoja Lopez  11:13

Just a deep seated, nonsensical just there because it’s their hatred.

Mohanad Elshieky  11:17

Exactly. I also like, here’s my thing, okay. Like your brother and his wife have been through all of this, and you have not stood up for your younger brother or tried to help and instead just been like, like, here’s my thing. As an older brother. I hate that. I would like do anything for my younger siblings. And this man has just abandoned him just like, just like, basically was like, if you don’t get your act together, you’re not part of the family anymore. And I was like, that’s not how it goes.

Kiki Monique  11:47

I agree. Like, I’ve always been team hearing team Meghan. Well, I wasn’t always team Megan because I’ve always had a crush on Harry. So I really was like, when he started dating her. I was like, damn, I could have been the Black chick he dated. Right? So like, I wasn’t always team Meghan, but whatever can’t be me.

Hoja Lopez  12:02

You surfing your rightful position, essentially.

Kiki Monique  12:05

So, I’m like, I’ve always been team, you know, Meghan and Harry, but I just don’t want to get played by Megan. You know, like, I don’t, I hate when I’ve been I ride hard for a team. And then they like, disappoint me. And I’m like, just do not get carried away. Just do your little Netflix series. Do your Spotify series. Don’t just don’t, don’t make me mad, I don’t know. I don’t know what that looks like, again. I don’t know what is gonna make me bad but I just want to be able to remain on their team.

Mohanad Elshieky  12:37

No, I get that. And you know, I’m just so excited to move to my pick. Since we’re talking about the royal family. Queen Elizabeth? Oh my god. She was on my list.

Hoja Lopez  12:54

You’ve gagged and bound about this for too long. You’ve been held back for too long.

Mohanad Elshieky  13:00

I just think it’s so funny that she is still with us. And also, I think a very funny bit is if Prince Charles goes before her and does speaking.

Kiki Monique  13:15

That is terrible.

Mohanad Elshieky  13:17

He is 73 years old. He’s not young.

Hoja Lopez  13:21

Yeah, he’s not young. Which by the way, I just want to let you guys know that what the world is doing out there is so I was looking up. Megan Markel on Twitter’s see like people were tweeting about her or whatever. And the first three like dropdowns I just go I just typed in hashtag Meghan Markel, and the first ones are Meghan Markel is a liar. Meghan Markel is a narcissist. And Meghan Merkel shouldn’t be ashamed of itself. So those are the top three, like Twitter searches. And I just didn’t like oh, God, like she’s getting it from everywhere. The royal families on your last leg, the I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be at the center of that level of shitstorm.

Mohanad Elshieky  14:01

Whenever I see a Twitter account with the UK flag in it, I’m like, you have horrible opinions. Could you say anything about the queen or the royal family and they’re just like, just like a fuck you up in it? And I’m just like, bro. Don’t talk about the Queen bruv, like, bro, just leave me alone. Like, just shut the fuck up. And I don’t know, I went and I Googled, like, what, like, some political figures like still alive and maybe older than Queen Elizabeth. And that kinda like, you know, I was like, maybe I should get off her a bit and just like move on to like other people. Because there are other people who are older than her horse still with us and have done really horrible stuff. Like Henry Kissinger, like why is that man still around? He’s 99 years old.

Hoja Lopez  14:52

I truly, I think that the people who have hate in their heart use it as fuel and stay alive longer than everyone else. I don’t like That’s about it. But I think it’s true, hatreds goes inside of each one of their bones and pores and strengthen them with the fire of negativity and death. And I think it keeps them alive for longer. And maybe we should take that by example. You know all these like stories that come out where it’s like, Japanese people live to be 120 because they eat rice and walk to rivers each day. I’m like, no, just commit genocide and do something like that, like Henry Kissinger and you’ll live to be 99, how’s that sound? Who else do we have on the list? I had Zillow, which, you know, still hate. I’m still of the view that Zillow was the worst. So my friend just actually got her Realtors license. And she, I was like, why is Zillow so bad? And she, she had a lot of things, but her main thing was that when you’re looking to buy a house, you’ll check like an online platform, and that the values of the house are like completely incorrect all the time. And I can’t imagine going to try to buy a place and using our famed Zillow and for it to just be like all fucked up. I don’t know you guys. Like I don’t have any intention of buying a house but it seems like the most complicated thing that’s ever happened. Like what is escrow? What is closing costs? What is an inspection? I seem to know these words, because the people around me, but it seems like fucking hell, and to have Zillow make it worse. No, thank you. So they’re still on my shit list. Yeah, I don’t like them.

Kiki Monique  16:52

Look, yeah, buying a house sounds just like a total like nightmare. And I know it’s like the, you know, the dream, the American dream. But I actually heard some advice recently that like, if you’re just buying a house like to just live in your house, because you don’t wanna pay rent anymore. It actually becomes a liability toward for you. Because you know, like, now you have to, like take care of this thing. Make sure it’s like being kept up. Whereas like, if you buy property to rent it out, then it becomes an asset. But most people who are just buying houses it doesn’t turn into an asset like for a while, which is like one thing. But you know what, you know why Zillow? While I agree they do some shady things and should be cancelled. Here’s why they will never be canceled is because we as a people are way too nosy. And every time we go to someone’s house, we want to know how much they paid for it. And so we will always Zillow search their address to see how much they paid. That’s why it will never die. Because we’re nosy as fuck.

Hoja Lopez  17:55

Yeah. And you know what, let’s do a shout out to the landlords out there. Thank you for navigating just so pus just so wonderfully these last three years. Thank you for being I guess the brother we always wanted the sister. We never had the mother. Thank you. Landlords. I think we’ve been missing that.

Mohanad Elshieky  18:18

Hoja what are you even saying right now?

Hoja Lopez  18:21

I just think landlords are sort of like angels, you know, and they’ve come to help us.

Kiki Monique  18:26

I think the Covid has gotten to your brain. Got brain fog still.

Hoja Lopez  18:33

No, I believe that landlords are actually just angels and gods that have come down from having to help us all. And if you hate your landlord, your bad.

Mohanad Elshieky  18:42

Is landlord with us in the room right now? Is landlord holding a gun to your head?

Kiki Monique  18:50

Blink twice if you need help.

Hoja Lopez  18:54

Landlord is my Savior. Landlord is my god landlord is my number one. And I will never forsake landlord.

Mohanad Elshieky  18:59

I am sorry, even the term landlord and just like.. You just own an apartment. You’re not lording anything.

Hoja Lopez  19:11

I just feel like people should be ashamed for all the shit that they’ve been talking about landlords in the last three years. Just check yourself before you wreck yourself. You know? No, I’m not ashamed to admit that I love my landlord. Love you Bree and Bill. Nice Californian couple with a new baby.

Mohanad Elshieky  19:32

You know, you know, I’m just gonna move on before I have to add you to this list, Hoja. Because my god.

Kiki Monique  19:40

I mean, one of the people that I had that got I think I say pull back from the brink a little bit is JoJo Siwa. So like, ya know, when we made this list, you know, she when she came out she was dating Kylie Prue, who, you know, they dated for a while and I think JoJo went on Dancing with the Stars and they broke up all she was on that. And then she started dating another girl, what is her name? But Katie Mills, I believe is her name. And when people found out she was dating Katie, they started digging into her past. And Katie had a lot of like pro Donald Trump tweets and so people were like, really come in for JoJo just like being with her. But then I guess just recently JoJo just announced that she’s now back with Kylie Prue. So they’re dating again.

Hoja Lopez  20:33

Oh, damn, this is lesbian 101. This feels like familiar territory. First of all, dating as a gay person in Texas, you are going to find like gay conservatives and gay pro Trumpers. And it is truly the most bizarre, like combination of people in the world, especially when you find like gay people of color that are pro Trumper conservative in Texas, but it exists all over the place. And you guys, they’re really hot, and they’re walking around and they’re still hot people. So I get JoJo Siwa. She’s dating this she’s dating this girl and she got vexed, you know, but it is really interesting that you went back to her ex-girlfriend.

Kiki Monique  21:16

Well, the original, which I think was like the good one. You know, I think that like, her getting out of the relationship with Katie probably, you know, brought her back from the brink because that like, I think when she was dating her was when I was like, kind of like, Yeah, this is gonna be this is gonna be your downfall. Because it doesn’t seem like she’s a good girl. But now it seems she’s back with the original girl. You know, and I think I don’t know if this happened while she was dating the Trump girl. But they’re, you know, she had come out and said that Nickelodeon hadn’t invited her to the Kids Choice Award JoJo did. And so that was a big controversy. And, you know, some people were like, you know, is it because, you know, she came out and Nickelodeon was like, No, it was just an oversight and all that stuff. So I don’t really know what the real story was, you know, I think she probably would have been invited. I mean, it’s JoJo. But, you know, who knows? Maybe they didn’t want, maybe what the association again with the Trump girl just made. I don’t know. Who knows, but I think she’s been pulled back from the brink. So I think JoJo could probably come off now, unless she decides, by the time of this recording, by the time of this is really she’s back with the Trump girl who knows? We know how it rolls.

Hoja Lopez  22:27

Who knows? She also did that commercial. Where was it? I can’t remember what the commercial was. But she’s got like a short hair do and she does all these different hairdos. So now she’s fully back in the graces of the gay community because of that commercial. So just as a further context there for JoJo Siwa.

Kiki Monique  22:47

You know, who was interesting though, Raven-Symoné. I forgot; she was on our list too. And I had other reasons that I thought she was gonna get canceled. She had this weird sort of moment though, during the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard trial, because, you know, people start digging up all sorts of videos. And this video came up of Raven, she was at like a Tesla charging station. And Amber Heard was in the Tesla chargers station too. And they were sitting next to her and they were like, and I think Amber was with I think she might have been with her girlfriend at the time. And so it was like, you know, two Tesla’s sitting next to each other at a Tesla charging station. And so Raven goes live where she’s gonna make the video and it’s just like, oh my gosh, and then she sort of starts making fun of Amber and we get this is an old video but she’s like making fun of Amber and I think she’s says something about like, the missing fingertip and there’s a joke there. And then she gets out of the car and then sick wants to take a picture takes a picture with Amber and then Amber somehow locks her keys in the car when the picture is getting taken. So like Raven and her wife like drive off sort of laughing about it while Amber stuck there and look, like the reason she didn’t get canceled is because there’s so much online hatred towards Amber that everyone thought it was a funny thing, but I just kept being like Raven’s a mean girl because if she had done this to anyone else, we would be like you’re a mean girl, right? Yeah. And so to me that definitely would have weren’t like she would have been canceled under any other circumstances but because it was Amber Heard. It was like she got actually like a fav.

Hoja Lopez  24:33

Damn, so in our hearts are we calling Raven-Symoné canceled? And I’m waiting for the next time she does something like it.

Kiki Monique  24:40

I’m going to call her a mean girl. I’m gonna call her I’m going to leave her on the list. Because I think she’s still gonna fuck up.

Hoja Lopez  24:49

We’ll just we’re watching Raven. We’re watching you. We’re keeping an eye on you, baby. Who were some new people that popped up that we didn’t even know. Oh, right. we had Sam Asghari. And he just got married. He’s also kind of flying under there. We haven’t had like a great batch of people that we thought were gonna get canceled that have gotten canceled.

Kiki Monique  25:14

Maybe we didn’t even have Amber Heard on the list. And I would say if there was any person that would absolutely be, you know, on the list this year. Amber, right, like?

Hoja Lopez  25:23

Yeah, would you consider, I mean, I would consider yeah, the ultimate cancellation for Amber Heard right now, but she does still have a ton of people who kind of are sort of in the feminist sort of like side of things, who very much believe her story 100% And think Johnny Depp is, you know, is just the worst. So it seems like there’s still like, this is almost a question of sides and not like a unilateral cancellation for Amber. You know?

Kiki Monique  25:50

But that’s the thing about cancellations is like when we talk about, look, when we were talking about Brett Kavanaugh and Dr. was it Christine? Sorry, I can’t think of her name. But when she made the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh I felt like she’s the one that got cancelled even though I absolutely believed her, right? Like I think that you can still be canceled and it doesn’t have anything to do with whether you are did something wrong or liar, I think you can also be canceled just because of nature of power.

Hoja Lopez  26:21

Like it’s almost like the nature of cancellation is shifting in some way because to some extent it’s always been sort of like the left or like progressive people canceling people on the right or people who are conservative or bigots or whatever for saying something inappropriate that was usually very much like anti-gay, a racist etc. And now it’s really expanded just in the past I feel a year or two to be a lot more confrontational and again a lot more politicized which this Amber heard and Johnny Depp trial really I feel got to the crux of that with all the money going into it from the sort of like right wing groups and I just, it’s definitely getting more complicated I feel and I don’t know if people just aren’t necessarily like I feel like we’re the conversation is sort of lagged around cancel culture like it feels like it’s changing and my, do you guys feel like that’s kind of accurate?

Mohanad Elshieky  27:22

It is yeah, I feel like one thing that happened is like counterculture like literally just like not just lost all of its meaning it just it doesn’t mean what it was supposed to mean at first. And I think there was like this huge backlash like against it basically. And now feels like everything that happens now is a reaction to having canceled culture being like a major thing like people made it sound like it was just such this I don’t know like for how long has this like canceled culture thing debate has been going on for now? Like maybe like few years?

Hoja Lopez  28:00

Yeah, I know that it kind of because I read an article about it. But it started very much on like that university kind of environment with like comedians, going to universities and saying like, you know, not being able to say certain things are getting canceled on university campuses and not being invited to perform. So I would say maybe like four years or something like that.

Mohanad Elshieky  28:23

I don’t know, I’m so tired of hearing about canceled culture to the point where it is just like is like at this point is just like okay, cool. It just shifted from this thing that was just like, like internet thing that people just making fun of just like you were being canceled, blah, blah, blah, just like a term that people used to something that has been covered on the news and being talked about in part like the second I’ll try take something the politician started talking about it. Even the president like mentions it, it’s just like, okay, let’s stop doing this. Yeah, let’s stop it.

Kiki Monique  28:56

In a way it feels like this weird also, just like rite of passage, like once you reach a certain level, you almost are just like, okay, let me get through my cancellation moment and like, have it and like, whether it right? Like, it’s just this weird thing that like every single person is gonna go through there like, oh, shit moment, and like.

Hoja Lopez  29:15

I just imagined like getting your period for the first time and be like, I got cancelled for the first time. I know, I get my monthly cancellation and my tummy hurts a little bit. But I take some Motrin and now I feel much better like it literally. It just does not mean it will change.

Kiki Monique  29:32

Even like might one of my favorite shows right now Hacks on HBO. Are you guys watching? And so like, the whole premise is like she’s working for Jean Smart in Vegas, because she did something I can’t even remember it was the first season that […] canceled as a writer. Yeah. And so it’s like she’s having to do this. But then now we’re sort of second season coming full circle and like she’s sort of like, able to get back in the scene again, right? And like, you just sort of like Yeah, we’ve talked about it the timeout and like, but I do think that like the timeout is just different for you would think that the lower level people wouldn’t have the hardest times out. But they seem to get the hardest timeout. Whereas, like, the major people get, like a little mini timeout, doesn’t hurt them. And they can weather it because they have a savings account.

Hoja Lopez  30:21

Yeah, exactly. That is the antidote to cancellation, is the savings account.

Mohanad Elshieky  30:49

Now, I think we’re just gonna move on to a listener apology, which I’m pretty excited about. We have someone, this apology comes from a listener in Australia.

Hoja Lopez  30:59

Oh, my God, that’s very far away.

Mohanad Elshieky  31:02

Yeah. So let’s take a listen.

Speaker 4  31:03

So this is an apology I desperately need from my mom. I have two younger brothers, one’s 2 years younger than me. I’ll call him Steven, and one that’s 8 years younger than me, I’ll call him Philip. So one night when I’m around 19 or 20. Steven and I get home around 10PM. And this is in the days before iPhones. So we just had the family computer that was like our only internet access. So we go to check our Facebook like we do whenever we get home. And there’s this note from our mum taped to the computer monitor that says something to the effect of, I’ve found pornography downloaded on this computer, I’ve password protected it and you will not be getting the password until whichever one of you did it, owns up and earns back my trust. So we bust into a bedroom. And we’re pleading like, we didn’t do it. You know, being fair. I swear I didn’t do it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, you know, cuz we gotta be on the internet. And finally, I’m like, how do you know, it wasn’t Philip? Because, you know, he’s like, 12 at this point. And she got very mad like, how dare you accuse sweet baby Philip, like, how dare you try to shift the blame to him? You know, because he’s the baby, special treatment. Anyway. I don’t remember how the situation got resolved at the time. I know I was banned from using the computer for a while. But years later, I mentioned this incident to Steven and he goes, oh, yeah, it was totally Philip. Mum found out it was him and came to me like, well, I guess he’s curious about sex, because he’s that age. And, you know, because Dad and I broke up. Dad’s not around to answer his question. So please just be there for him if he has questions about sex. So Steven had known this for years. She’d found out it wasn’t Steven or I, went to Steven acknowledged she was wrong to him. Never apologized to me for accusing me of downloading and sloppily hiding porn on the family computer and banning me for using it for literally no reason. And she doesn’t know that I know that she knows it wasn’t me. So if he doesn’t apologize, I guess I’m just gonna have to like save it. And whisper to her on her deathbed. Anyway, that’s the apology I want and deserve, mom.

Mohanad Elshieky  33:12

That is so funny. That is amazing. Like, what a twist to say that you want to save it and whisper it to her on her deathbed. I love.

Hoja Lopez  33:23

That’s how all children feel about, like small betrayals that our parents have portrayed against us. We’re just like, I can’t wait to get you with this one day.

Kiki Monique  33:32

I’m always like, like, amazed or just like, when there’s moms who are like, favor their sons over their daughters. Because I remember I used to work with this woman who, you know, she had already had a son. And when she found out she was pregnant, and she was having another friend she was and she was like, Oh my God, thank God, I’m so glad I’m not having to grow. And I remember being so offended because I’m like, A, you’re a girl, B, I’m a girl. Why are you so and so it’s just funny that she was willing to like, you know, forgive her sons or to let her son’s in on it. But like, let her daughter just like wallow in.

Hoja Lopez  34:10

That whole like, mother is in love with her son and vice versa. We can’t be doing that anymore. We got to be an egalitarian here. And also, I can’t imagine I’m trying to think of myself like at 12 years old, trying to find porn, and I can’t even imagine what I would have typed in, it would have been so benign. And the horrors that you would have found in there. I can’t even imagine. Yeah, 12 years old trying to find porn is..

Kiki Monique  34:37

I remember we got our very, very first computer. I mean, like the I don’t even know like we didn’t even know what how to use browsers. And it was just like a search. It was just a search link and I remember I just typed sex like that. But it wasn’t an actual like browser. It was just like a search thing and it wouldn’t go away. So like the next person that like some came to the computer just saw sex just like.

Mohanad Elshieky  35:01

I just think what’s so funny about it is just like her mom just saying, well, you know, he’s like 12 and his dad is now around so that’s why he downloaded porn was like, are you even listening to yourself right now? What a weird excuse to make. Like, yeah, that’s why this teen downloaded pornography because you got divorced and he’s just curious. No, that’s just what a lot of teens do.

Hoja Lopez  35:33

Yeah. That’s the level of like mental gymnastics that moms do for their favorite child to. Also, who the fuck at 12 goes up to their dad and it is like, Dad, how do I jerk off? Like there is no 12 year old going up to their father because their parents are not divorced, asking him specifically where to find porn online. Like that doesn’t that’s not how it works. I mean, I do think the real crux of the issue is the mother providing some kind of satisfaction to her brother in terms of like, admitting that she was wrong and admitting that she knew who made the actual mistake. And for that, I do feel like our friend needs an apology from their mom. You gotta acknowledge when you fucked up at least, and if you’re going to acknowledge it, you can’t just acknowledge it to one party and not everybody involved.

Kiki Monique  36:24

I mean, look, I think she has a good plan, deathbed, whispering, I’m in.

Mohanad Elshieky  36:28

I’m in it. Yeah, yeah. I just fucking love this apology. And here’s the thing, if you think you deserve an apology, or you want someone to apologize to you, send us an either, you know, send us an email, a DM, we can read it here. Or, if you recall it in your voice even perfect, we’ll play it. And we’ll talk about it and hopefully the person will listen and give you your apology. Well, now it’s time to move on to our own apologies. And we either gonna apologize to someone or ask for an apology in my favorite segment. Sorry, not sorry. And like every week, I’m gonna start with Hoja.

Hoja Lopez  37:10

I would like to apologize just coming off of this porn situation here. I would like to apologize to Bowen Yang, Frank Ocean, Lil Nas X and Jared Carmichael, because I definitely had a really like, I had a very fun dream with all of them involved in it. And I hope that they forgive me for it. And that’s it. That’s all I’m gonna say about that, mainly because I only remember bits and pieces of it. So, and I couldn’t possibly explain it to you without seeming like an insane person.

Kiki Monique  37:44

It was a sexy dream, right?

Hoja Lopez  37:47

It was a sexy dream. We were onstage at the halftime show, because I just watched the JLo documentary and so that was swirling in my brain and it was half performance half sex, so you know, just think about that.

Kiki Monique  38:00

I love sexy dreams. But yeah, nothing worse than waking up. And that’s not real famous, like real when you’re eating a really good meal. And that just didn’t really happen. That’s the

Hoja Lopez  38:11

Yeah. Sorry. Kiki, I know you feel my pain.

Kiki Monique  38:14

Well, speaking of sexy and thirsty. You know who I want to apologize? You know, I told you before that I decided that I just screw it, I just want to be a reality TV star because I feel like that’s just the only way to make it in America these days. So why not? Right, you know? So I want an apology though from like all of these thirsty sort of online accounts who are trying to insert themselves into my favorite reality shows there’s been this like phenomena that’s happening mostly in like Real Housewives universe of people who will go viral with a, you know, a story or a video or something they post and basically insinuate that, you know, one of the reality stars is doing something bad. And they’re trying to become a storyline in the new season. And it was working, I think on a lot of people, a lot of people were buying into this and you know, their favorite reality stars. They were saying like, oh, gross, this person said this. But now, I don’t believe any of these stories that are coming out. I think that these people are just trying to be in the show. And I just want them to stop because you’re not a reality star. You’re just not. And I mean, my reality stars to just make their own storyline.

Mohanad Elshieky  39:34

So funny. I totally agree. That’s how it should be. Well, I mine is I’m asking an apology from a stranger that I met in Detroit. So you know, I was staying at a hotel in Detroit. And I remember I got again to the elevator. Well, before I got into the elevator There was this man with his wife, I assume. And he was kind of drunk. And he was just talking about like how bad the dinner was that they had next door and I’m just like, cool, man. I’m not trying really to listen to what you’re saying. But then he did this thing where he was basically telling me like that masks don’t work. Here we go, and they’re just yelling at me just like masks do not work. They’re bad. Why are you wearing a mask? And I’m just like, bro, and then he was just like, you know what? I think I’m just gonna cough at on you as a bit. When you are in your 30s you don’t know how you’re supposed to deal with an adult man trying to bully you. What am I supposed to do now? Like, what am I? What? What am I taking this? And I literally just had to ignore this man until I got to my to my floor. And if you’re listening, I do not like you, change your ways and grow up please.

Hoja Lopez  39:42

Oh my god.

Mohanad Elshieky  39:47

That’s so gross. I just don’t understand the people who care if you’re wearing a mask it like why? Why do you care?

Mohanad Elshieky  41:06

Exactly. Maybe I just want to cover my face. Maybe like I don’t know try it is just, especially when it was like, during the winter, I’m just like, man, I just don’t want to expose my face. Also, like I use the New York subway you know, like even without COVID, I think it’s good to just have it, have a mask.

Kiki Monique  41:37

Just notice how none of us got any sort of colds, notice how we just like escaped all sorts of cold. I mean, I think the only way we’re gonna get these people to respect our mask wearing is if we put it in the Second Amendment. Let me I have the right to wear my skin, and you can’t take it away from me.

Mohanad Elshieky  41:55

Anyway, that’s the vibe I’m getting from that man. I need him to stop.

Hoja Lopez  41:59

You deserve an apology from him and I also want to tell you good luck, it’s become a part of his identity now, Mo.

Mohanad Elshieky  42:12

Well, anyway, everyone This was great. I’m excited to see everyone next week.

Kiki Monique  42:21

I’M SORRY is a Lemonada Media Original. The show is produced by Alex McOwen, supervising producer is Kryssy Pease. Our executive producers are Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Our mix is by Kat Yore and theme music was composed by Xander Singh. If you like this show, please rate and review. And please don’t cancel us. You can find out more about our show at @LemonadaMedia on all social platforms, or follow us on Instagram at @imsorry_podcast. We’ll be back next week and until then be nice, play fair and always say I’m sorry. Thanks for listening!

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