Zouk’s Cubes CUBED: International Travel

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Now boarding: first class, for the third episode of Zouk’s Cubes! Jason Mantzoukas returns for an ATC takeover. This time, Kulap is getting the deets on how SuChin and Jason pack for an international trip. Jason is fresh off ten days in the U.K., while SuChin is prepping for her family’s trip to South Korea. It’s Jason’s jigsaw puzzle packing vs. SuChin’s clear Ziploc bags. There will be finger shoving, tarp tucking, and plenty of cubes.

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SuChin Pak, Kulap Vilaysack, Jason Mantzoukas

Kulap Vilaysack  00:10

Welcome to another episode of Add To Cart the show about what we buy and buy into what that says about who we are, I’m your auntie Kulap Vilaysack.


SuChin Pak  00:20

And I am your other delighted auntie, SuChin Pak.


Jason Mantzoukas  00:27

Welcome to episode two of Zouk’s Cubes. I’m Jason Mantzoukas I’m your host this is a Zouk’s Cubes takeover of Add To Cart. I’m here with my co hosts Kulap, and SuChin and we’re gonna break down all the best cubes, pouches, packs and gear for travel. Hit him with the theme song.


SuChin Pak  01:09

Is his volume turned up higher than ours?


Jason Mantzoukas  01:14

Am I coming into hot?


SuChin Pak  01:15

No, I just want to know that like, wow, when when we’re in a room together. That’s that’s just his volume, right?


Kulap Vilaysack  01:24



Jason Mantzoukas  01:24

Oh, no, I’m I’m loud. I’m too loud. I’m not Jessica St. Clair loud. I’m not streaming audio equipment. I’m not pushing the audio equipment to its limits. I’m not saying clear loud, but I can’t be loud.


Kulap Vilaysack  01:39

St. Clair under the bus. We’re just weren’t your body count. We’re going to do.


SuChin Pak  01:43

Very civil war. Jason, it’s great to have you on the show for a third time.


Jason Mantzoukas  01:51

Thrilled to be here.


SuChin Pak  01:52

Let’s call this episode Zouk’s Cubes cubed.


Jason Mantzoukas  01:56

Oh, okay. Oh, so this is episode three I guess I guess I wasn’t I wasn’t counting the Live episode but episodes.


SuChin Pak  02:03

We gotta count that live episode.


Jason Mantzoukas  02:05

And then I’m kind of so then my so then my intro was wrong because I think I said Episode.


SuChin Pak  02:09

No, but I see your math your math I understand it because that was a live show. This is now we’re in a totally differently.


Jason Mantzoukas  02:17

It was just a segment it was a segment in a different show in one of your live shows. Not a takeover.


SuChin Pak  02:25



Kulap Vilaysack  02:27

At one point I sat in the crowd, but we don’t have to. We don’t have to go.


Jason Mantzoukas  02:31

Where the hosts should sit when I’m on the show.


Kulap Vilaysack  02:35

I was on the ground. And we are this is Zouk’s Cubes cubed International Edition. And I gave you SuChin, something to think about. Jason, you are freshly back from the how to this give me a tour, all over the UK.


Jason Mantzoukas  02:52

Yes, I just did three weeks in London and Scotland and Ireland and it was fantastic. Incredible you know live shows hanging out it was a blast really fantastic. And, and boy did I spent a full week packing. Getting it together. Because here’s my goal. My goal is my goal is always check, no bags, period.


SuChin Pak  03:20

Three week trip, no bags, check.


Jason Mantzoukas  03:23

Check, check no bags. Now there are caveats to that such as if I was taking a trip that if I like what was going on a ski trip, I would have to check a bag because I would have more specific gear for that trip or you know, something like that. But if I’m doing like this just traveling, my goal is backpack roller suitcase that’s a carry on size and that’s it. My list is geared towards or my picks are geared towards not checking the bag.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:51

I love that, I love that SuChin, is going to South Korea with her family in the summer.


SuChin Pak  03:57

That’s right.


Jason Mantzoukas  03:58

Got it.


Kulap Vilaysack  03:58

Even if you’re if you’re going so really international.


SuChin Pak  04:01

Very international.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:03

You got kids of course you’re checking bags, right I mean that’s.


Jason Mantzoukas  04:06

Yeah, you got feels like you got.


Kulap Vilaysack  04:07

You got it.


Jason Mantzoukas  04:08

Well how well well how old?


SuChin Pak  04:10

Yeah, they’re 9, and 11.


Jason Mantzoukas  04:13

Okay, so they can carry quite a they can carry quite a lot of weight.


SuChin Pak  04:16

Yes, they’re carrying their own.


Jason Mantzoukas  04:18

You can you can load them […] can. Yes, yes, you can use them as as pack beasts.


SuChin Pak  04:24

That’s right. Let’s say they will be carrying some of mama stuff. Yeah, but I also when I think about international travel, Jason, I don’t know if you subscribe to this philosophy. I go there with no checked bags, and I come back with four checked bags.


Jason Mantzoukas  04:44

Okay, so it’s great. I love that and interestingly, some of my picks are packable tote bags and bags that are you know, duffel bags that like are this small. Here’s a peek designs one, but this unfolds into a a big bag or, you know, Matador makes a great the company Matador makes a bunch of packable things like a great duffel bag that’s like packs down to nothing. But you can exactly fill it full of stuff that you bought there and then ship then check the check that okay.


Kulap Vilaysack  05:17

Listen, listen, we’re we’re starting off strong this is when I we’ve got an agreement here.


Jason Mantzoukas  05:24

It’s so much better than buying bags there. Unless you’re gonna go to like a north face or a Patagonia and buy something that’s like a burly sturdy bag. I feel like you end up with like if when you’re on the road you if you’re like, I got to buy something to ship stuff home or to check it back and then it’s you’re buying like something crappy that falls apart.


Kulap Vilaysack  05:44

It was expensive. I mean, I feel that that Jason for someone who curates bags and smaller containers that’s a nightmare for you. You, your goal is to avoid that at all costs.


Jason Mantzoukas  05:56

Oh, buying cheap bags. Nothing makes me more furious, nothing.


Kulap Vilaysack  06:01

Has it ever happened?


Jason Mantzoukas  06:02

I’m sure it has. Although I can’t remember a time.


Kulap Vilaysack  06:05

I can’t imagine. I can’t imagine a situation was so desperate that you got your self.


Jason Mantzoukas  06:12

I bought some shitty, you know, bullshit bag. Yeah, no, I travel with so many redundancies and backups. I’m hard pressed to arrive someplace and be like, oh, I wish I had a big, lightweight tote bag that I could just start jamming stuff into. Because I’m almost always […]


Kulap Vilaysack  06:33

Now he’s up there he is […]


Jason Mantzoukas  06:36

Hyperlite design. Here is this Hyperlite, I Hyperlite a company that makes like, ultra lightweight camping gear.  And but they’re great for packing for trips. Because this is like this is nothing this is like, smaller than a smaller than a paperback book, right. But I’ve got it all folded up, but it’s a [..]


SuChin Pak  06:58

Oh, it’s a tote.


Kulap Vilaysack  06:59

Oh, that’s nice.


Jason Mantzoukas  07:02

It’s a big giant tote bag. You know, it’s like this. This this like, you know, huge.


SuChin Pak 07:07

We got a silver lining in there. Jay, what’s that lining?


Jason Mantzoukas  07:10

It’s this Dyneema this this material, this sailcloth kind of dynamic.


SuChin Pak  07:15



Jason Mantzoukas  07:19

Yeah, this is like a waterproof, lightweight, lightweight material that like all that Hyperlite uses for a lot of their stuff. It’s super burly and waterproof, but very, very lightweight. But it doesn’t make this crinkly. Mixes critically.


Kulap Vilaysack  07:36

So listener that ASMR.


Jason Mantzoukas  07:38

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It’s a pack, it’s a packable bag. It’s just a bag. And it’s Dyneema. Okay, sorry.


SuChin Pak 07:51

Jason, you said you spent a week packing for a three week trip. So SuChin, how when will you start packing?


Jason Mantzoukas  08:00

When we use? When will you start putting stuff into hefty bags? And duct taping them shut?


SuChin Pak  08:07

Well, I’m so glad you asked, both of you. And I’m so glad you’re open to my process. That’s what I feel most of all, so welcomed and, and just an openness. Really, but, uh, you know, to answer that question on this pod, because this is the only pod in the entire universe that could warrant a long answer to this simple question is that, I mean, I tend to pack in phases. And it tends to happen for an international trip like this. months in advance.


Kulap Vilaysack  08:41



SuChin Pak  08:42

I start to buy things, test things and squirrel things away, way in advance, because once it goes into the hefty garbage bag and needs to be duct taped, it’s been vetted. I know you think that I am insane, chaotic person, and I am. But what goes in my bag, if I’m not testing it on the road for the first time.


Jason Mantzoukas  09:08

I’m blown away by that. And I think that’s exactly how you should do it and, and doing it in phases. I start making piles in the weeks leading up to a trip I start making big piles, I might need all of these things. And then I start winnowing it down winnowing it down, honing it like a good stand up set.


SuChin Pak  09:33

It’s a craft to just the fine juicy nuggets, the tarps, the zips and the pouches that make the final cut.


Kulap Vilaysack  09:41

Do we talk about the tarp now or do we wait for the tarp? Or when does the tarp come into play?


Jason Mantzoukas  09:48

Listen to we’re gonna have a subset of the conversation. It’s gonna be called tarp talk and it starts now. Welcome to tarp talk. Here’s the deal. I sent you guys a picture of all of my cubes and all of my stuff on a tarp because that is how that is how I start laying out. Once I’ve made I start making my piles, clothes, tech, all the different elements that are going to start being a thing and once I get it down to what I think is only what I’m going to bring that stuff goes on the tarp. So now I’m only cubing poaching and packing what’s on the tarp so it’s not like oh, this stuff is in the bedroom. Now I’ve got everything on this tarp and that is my workspace.


Kulap Vilaysack  10:32

This is a device defined zone. You got it?


Jason Mantzoukas  10:35

Well then you’re just getting it into a place where I’m not like oh, I showed up and I don’t have half of my toiletries because I can picture they’re sitting on the ledge in the bathroom. I’ve brought them down to the tarp. They’re there it’s their tarp worthy their tarp ready.


SuChin Pak  10:57

I thought you lay down the tarp for sanitary purposes. Are you bringing that tarp to your hotel room and laying that down?


Jason Mantzoukas  11:06

No, that tarp is just for packing at home.


Kulap Vilaysack  11:09

Okay, SuChin, I understand why because when you think tarp that’s the head and yeah, you think when you’re the tarp you’re thinking more about sanitation and stuff. You’re thinking about keeping water out of a room? No, no, no, not for this.


SuChin Pak  11:22

Yeah, so I thought okay, I know he’s very clean and tidy. So I was like, he’s not gonna want the bags touching the hotel carpet. But what you’re actually saying is you bust out that tarp for hacking zone in your home, just to pack and then that tarp goes on a hook in some sort of like tarps closet.


Jason Mantzoukas  11:46

Tarp doesn’t go on, SuChin, you sound you sound like a fool searching you revealed yourself to be a fool thinking that I have some sort of Trap hook the tarp folds down into its own little packable bag like this bit.


SuChin Pak  12:00

And where does that go that you can find it again?


Jason Mantzoukas  12:03

Oh, it goes in a bin. Oh, I’ve got


SuChin Pak  12:09

See eye to eye, Ku, I can’t ask follow up questions.


Kulap Vilaysack  12:12

You have is and our show is asking.


SuChin Pak  12:17

Because, I have I don’t have the energy to have this man be running around. Oh, Lord. And what does that been say?


Kulap Vilaysack  12:26

Pouches, it says pouches.


SuChin Pak  12:29

So it’s in your pouches bin is your tarp.


Jason Mantzoukas  12:32

By the way, this is one of like 10 bins of different things. This bin has like different size pouches, different kinds of pouches. This is a packable towel. That sometimes if I’m going someplace I’ll bring like a microfiber towel. These are Adam Savage from Mythbusters makes these great bags and pouches. These are his pouches that I think are fantastic. Anyway, to answer your question Sujan the tarp lives in one of the bins. The it leaves literally in the miscellaneous bin where that towel should be that toggle is mistakenly in the pouches bin.


SuChin Pak  13:07

That’s gonna get your goat.


Jason Mantzoukas  13:08

The rest of my day is pulling apart the pouches. The bins and putting them back together.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:14

You’re gonna have to get a bin tarp.


Jason Mantzoukas  13:17

I’m just a bin boy.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:19

Boy now you’re a Turktucker, I don’t know if that’s right. So Su, let’s just talk about just you and not your kids. Jason said that he’s got a rolly and he’s got a backpack. What do you have just for you?


SuChin Pak  13:32

I generally do a backpack and a rolly sometimes I do a very large tote. That’s right. It sort of depends. You know, International. I’ll do the backpack it feel you know, I mean, I’ll get more use out of it.


Kulap Vilaysack  13:46

Well, let’s talk goods now. So Su, and J, who makes your rolly and who makes your backpack?


Jason Mantzoukas  13:54

My roller bag is is a RIMOWA, cabin plus […]


SuChin Pak  14:00

Oh, pardon?


Jason Mantzoukas  14:01



Kulap Vilaysack  14:02

Oh, wow.


SuChin Pak  14:03

You’re a hard case guy. Holy moly. Hard Case guy. I need that took a left turn.


Jason Mantzoukas  14:14

Oh, yeah, I’m not gonna lie. And I’m going to be real. There are things that I’m going to mention in this discussion that are expensive.


SuChin Pak  14:19

That’s fine.


Jason Mantzoukas  14:19

You know, I’m also I’m on the road a tremendous amount in the year. So I bought like an expensive burly ass suitcase that I can beat up and it will not fall apart, so it’s great. I’m obsessed with it.


Kulap Vilaysack  14:34

I have never heard you say the word Burly. So in all of our friendship, the years that we know you’ve said burly multiple times. Well, we were talking to.


Jason Mantzoukas  14:45

Yes, I’m talking about I’m talking about these fabrics. I’m talking about 500 denier corridor. I’m talking about Burley fabrics. I’m talking about water resistance I love, I love a RIMOWA bag.


SuChin Pak  15:02

But the RIMOWA bag, because it’s hard. I like I’ve never been a hard case because you can’t eat stuff even more things in there like there’s always a little bit more room.


Jason Mantzoukas  15:13

Good, I agree you’re and I think you’re right I think a soft bag allows you to put more into it which is in fact dot dot dot a bad thing, you should be figuring out how to reduce how to pull back how to have less, because of essentially because of what you said SuChin, you and which is you are going to accumulate, you know, but you’re right, you’re right that it’s not as on a soft bag, you have a couple of liters of play that you can, you know, you measure, you measure volume of bags and liters, guys, this is what they do. I don’t know why you have some more play. And in a hardshell case, you don’t have that. The other thing that sometimes is negative about a hard bag is it can start off heavier than a some soft bags. And so if you are especially if internationally, right, well, sometimes they you know, more often than not, it’s not a big deal, but some international flights have are very, like they told my check in bag when I went to London and made me check it. My cabin bag made me check it simply because it was too heavy. And I had known that’s never happened to me before, but I guess.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:24

Wait, you don’t do not travel with a with a portable scale.


Jason Mantzoukas  16:28

I don’t this is the first time that I’ve had this experience. So now I might just or I’ll just do it at home. But I’ve never because.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:36

You’re bringing goods home.


SuChin Pak  16:38

That’s right.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:39

She brings like she’s she’s got a store.


SuChin Pak  16:42

Yeah, and opening shop.


Jason Mantzoukas  16:46

Well, you should just be getting like a shipping container and filling it full.


Kulap Vilaysack  16:50

Oh my God.


SuChin Pak  16:54

I have I’ve looked into that, guess what, not cheap. But also with a with what I like to do is fill a bag to the absolute like the seams are bursting, but leave about six inches of zipper open and then proceed over the week before of the date that you leave. You just keep finger shoving thing.


Jason Mantzoukas  17:19

I don’t think that’s that’s that’s the t shirt.


SuChin Pak  17:23

Just […] I don’t know what liter that amount is point [..] liters.


Jason Mantzoukas  17:30

I want to make sure people understand that SuChin, knows exactly what she’s doing. She keeps saying finger shove fingers shove, but the visual what she’s doing with her is absolutely chilling.


Kulap Vilaysack  17:44

Yeah, it feels like a dateline podcast right now.


Jason Mantzoukas  17:47

It it feels like I want to ask your suitcase if it feels safe.


SuChin Pak  17:52

You don’t want her to answer that question. She’s been bound and gagged for many years.


Jason Mantzoukas  17:58

So well here’s the thing my suitcase if it went open, you’ve seen pictures of it. It there’s nothing loose inside of it. It’s all cubes. It’s all perfectly puzzle piece. So everything goes in a pouch, all my my underwear, my sleep shorts, my T shirts, they go in one ever goods, zippered packing cube, my six white shirts from Goodman brothers vintage, they go in a different package, each. So that’s the other thing that you mentioned. I when I get to my hotel, I don’t unpack anything. I just opened my suitcase on a luggage rack and I operate out of the cubes.


SuChin Pak  18:37

Your visual.


Jason Mantzoukas  18:38

Now I’m fingers shoved.


SuChin Pak  18:40

Your visual is much more of like, was that movie and then it moves through?


Kulap Vilaysack  18:45

Minority Report?


SuChin Pak  18:46



Jason Mantzoukas  18:47

Minorty, in hand in hand.


SuChin Pak  18:49

Yeah, he’s a precog. Enhance enhance now okay, so, here’s my question to you, Jason. So you’re you’re all ready. Let’s say the Ubers picking you up in 30 minutes. And you’re like, oh, shoot, I forgot a son shirt. And there’s no time for what you just said. So you have to finger shove. Just like a thin […] SGF yeah, you do know you have to […] know you have to you don’t have time. Honk, honk, honk, honk, do we gotta you gotta go. And so you have to go right in there and just be like I hate it. I don’t like it the whole site I’ll be thinking about it but you know what it has to happen. Nobody’s perfect. And I’m and I’m flexible. I’m a flexible guy.


Jason Mantzoukas  19:36

No, I you’re not a flexible guy because you said you think about it the whole flight. So for me what I will do so is so as to save myself. I will I will take the extra three minutes to open one of the cubes that I know is not completely full. Zipit open fold my son shirt perfectly. Like I learned when I was a sales associate at the Gap. And I will put it in that cube zipper backup zip the suitcase, backup, bing, bang, boom, I’m ready to rock. And then when I get there and I’m like, ooh, it’s Sunday. I need my son shirt. I’m like, oh, it’s in the Everglades packing cube with the other T shirts, and my merino wool travel shirts.


Kulap Vilaysack  20:34

Guys, how many pairs of underwear pairs and underwear and socks for a 10 day trip?


Jason Mantzoukas  20:39

My answer is different in the past than it is now. In the past, I would bring more socks and underwear than I needed. Now I bring less because I now will do laundry. In play, I will send I know again, this is a a financial indulgence. I will send I will have the hotel do my socks and underwear. You know, or, you know, a few things, that it’s overpriced. It’s ridiculous, but it allows me to bring fewer things and then I just have to build in. Okay, I’m going to end up sending laundry down twice, or whatever.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:14

Right, you’re not, you’re not washing any of that in a sink. And and oh.


Jason Mantzoukas  21:20

I, no, I will, I will and one of my one of my things on my list is a packable clothesline. Which is, it’s just like 12 feet of paracord. So if I want to wash and I do like underwear or my compression socks, excuse me my compression socks. If I want to wash my.


Kulap Vilaysack  21:38

Brain, I’m going to trip tomorrow. Got two pair ready to go for the flight there and fly back.


Jason Mantzoukas  21:45

You got to get those compression socks. You know, so yeah, I’ll wash it and I’ll hang it up. Absolutely, but I’m less likely to do I’m more likely now to be like, fuck it. I’ll just send it down. You know what, it’s going to cost me 40 bucks. But in my mind, I’ve decided I’m 51, it’s I’ll spend this money.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:03

What are we talking five socks? five pairs underwear?


Jason Mantzoukas  22:06



Kulap Vilaysack  22:06

All right.


Jason Mantzoukas  22:07

I think on this trip. I think on this trip for I was away for three weeks. I think I had six socks and six underwear.


Kulap Vilaysack  22:13



SuChin Pak  22:13



Kulap Vilaysack  22:14

Okay, SuChin Pak, what’s your math?


SuChin Pak  22:20

Oh, God, I really don’t want to get into.


Jason Mantzoukas  22:25

I think the thing for women is women’s underwear packs so much smaller so you can bring way more you know.


SuChin Pak  22:33

It depends, it depends on what type of underwear and.


Jason Mantzoukas  22:38

Oh, go ahead, please.


SuChin Pak  22:40

My underwear is is what did you call it Burly?


Jason Mantzoukas  22:43

Sure, sure, sailboat? Well, that’s not breathable at all, so I mean, that’s that’s […]


SuChin Pak  22:52

Closer to.


Jason Mantzoukas  22:54

Looking something up in there.


SuChin Pak  22:56

I have a little valve.


Jason Mantzoukas  23:00

Like an old East Coast Radio.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:02

It’s just like she uses deadstock from REI tests.


Jason Mantzoukas  23:07

I mean, if you’re a member, they’ll still take it back.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:09

She is such and give me a number right now.


SuChin Pak  23:13

For a 10 day trip?


Kulap Vilaysack  23:14



SuChin Pak  23:15

I mean, a probably like 20 pairs of underwear and 10 pairs of socks.


Kulap Vilaysack  23:23

And I’ll well I’m assuming for both of you.


SuChin Pak  23:26

All wool.


Jason Mantzoukas  23:27

For me, oh, yeah, but that’s not crazy, that’s not crazy to me. Because I do feel like yeah, you’re you’re 20 pairs of underwear probably pack smaller than my six pairs of like, you know, maybe not but no, I could fit I bet I could finger cram. I could cram your panties into a pouch SuChin, I could finger cram your panties into a pouch.


SuChin Pak  23:57

Promises made promises broken. I could answer that two ways. I could say I’ll bring four pairs of underwear and two pairs of socks. Knowing that when I get there, I will buy and I am going to buy all of that and more. You know what I mean? So I’ve got a.


Jason Mantzoukas  24:17

You’ll buy underwear and socks?


SuChin Pak  24:19

Absolutely, that but.


Kulap Vilaysack  24:21

You were given were burned in Paris. You bought underwear in Paris and it was way too? It was too it was small for your liking.


SuChin Pak  24:30

Correct is the fabric isn’t great. Yeah, it was a tiny bit of fabric. I like a generous spread door.


Jason Mantzoukas  24:38

Sure, my question is so okay. Well, so you’re buying underwear. Let’s say underwear and socks. You’re buying it there because you need to wear it on your trip or because you like that version of that underwear and you want to bring it home with you?


SuChin Pak  24:53

Generally it’s a something has happened. I miscalculated.


Jason Mantzoukas  24:58

Okay, SuChin, and I need to ask you a follow up question immediately when you buy the new underwear. And this is very important.


SuChin Pak  25:07



Jason Mantzoukas  25:08

Do you not wash it before you wear it?


SuChin Pak  25:11

Oh, you have to wash it, because people will have been fingering it.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:15



Jason Mantzoukas  25:16

But there are so many people I know who don’t wash clothes that they receive from online shopping buy out in the world or whatever, they just put it on their bodies.


SuChin Pak  25:26

I wouldn’t wash the socks.


Jason Mantzoukas  25:28

Because you quit because your feet are gross anyway, why?


SuChin Pak  25:31

Yeah, because my feet are my feet. But underwears touching more intimate parts of you guys.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:36

I don’t watch anything I just put it on. And then I watch it.


Jason Mantzoukas  25:39

You’re one of those people Kulap what?


Kulap Vilaysack  25:43

Yeah, I don’t want to assert myself for just a second.


Jason Mantzoukas  25:46

That’s dangerous.


Kulap Vilaysack  25:48

I could I could see that I could see I hear you. I’m not gonna change my behavior.


Jason Mantzoukas  25:53

That’s […]


SuChin Pak  25:53

Because people if people are gross, they’ll try things on in the store without underwear on or whatever. And then put it right back.


Jason Mantzoukas  26:04

Or even if it’s just been sitting in some sort of like shipping center waiting to be like some disgusting warehouse waiting to be thrown in a box and sent to you from some random company that you’ve bought it from.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:16

Like I feel like that’s probably the case where my skims on where but I think that my vagina has built up some sort of like resistance. And I think it’s good.


Jason Mantzoukas  26:25

Why challenge it? Why give you why give yourself why give yourself that test.


SuChin Pak  26:32

And why has she built up that resistance? Why is the assumption.


Kulap Vilaysack  26:36

Let me let me you guys are all concerned about Burley fabric. My vagina is Burly. My vagina is hearty. My vagina is Tom Hardy in, the Dark Knight.


Jason Mantzoukas  26:47

Welcome, oh, Batman. I’m sloughing off the uterine lining, why?


Kulap Vilaysack  27:00

I live with the man who will rewash perfectly clean clothes because they feel stale.


Jason Mantzoukas  27:10

What stale? What do you.


Kulap Vilaysack  27:12

That’s his interpretation. His barometer his thermostat.


SuChin Pak  27:17

Because that’s not like mildewy it’s not like oh, yeah.


Jason Mantzoukas  27:20

That’s yeah, that’s exactly not nice, doesn’t have a smell. It doesn’t, he just thinks okay, because I will agree. If I feel like if I pulled us if I pulled something out that I hadn’t worn in a very long time. Would I wash it before wearing it? Maybe maybe, but probably not. Only if it was like, no cuz I feel like if it’s put away right, it’s clean. But I will not wear anything if I am going to put on clean underwear fresh from a shower. And the clean underwear falls on the ground. I will not put it, it’s dirty now.


Kulap Vilaysack  27:59

Wow, really?


Jason Mantzoukas  28:01

I won’t like.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:03

What, is your nethers I mean, how delicate.


Jason Mantzoukas  28:08

Would be the case that would be the case with I chose under that would be the case with a T shirt.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:13

In your own home?


Jason Mantzoukas  28:15

Yeah, the floors are clean.


SuChin Pak  28:18

The clean they are tarping it you need a shower tarp bro, you need a tarp.


Jason Mantzoukas  28:24

It’s so true. It’s so true, but like that’s the other thing is like once I use a towel that towel is dirty.


SuChin Pak  28:29



Kulap Vilaysack  28:30

That’s my husband, okay.


Jason Mantzoukas  28:32

That’s towel is now dirty. I don’t use a towel multiple days in a row.


SuChin Pak  28:36

He doesn’t by the way, he doesn’t even hang his there are no towels hanging in the bathroom. He brings a towel in.


Jason Mantzoukas  28:45

Drying my body hamper or sometimes I bring it straight down boom right into the machine.


Kulap Vilaysack  28:54

Wow, okay, okay.


Jason Mantzoukas  28:56

I don’t I don’t love it. I don’t love it. I don’t. This is something I don’t stand by. I know that this is this is crazy. I know that I don’t think this is appropriate. But somehow in my mental calculus, I’m like, oh, this is dirty now so.


Kulap Vilaysack  29:12

Okay, are we going to get to his cart? Because I have so many follow up questions and I am I want to.


Jason Mantzoukas  29:19

Talk about this.


SuChin Pak  29:20

The last thing I want to ask is what time are you arriving at the airport in gate?


Jason Mantzoukas  29:27

Okay, so I’ll answer I want to answer if if you don’t mind. You earlier asked me what roller bag I use, which is a Rimowa. And then you also asked me, what backpack? And I didn’t answer that and more often than not, I’m carrying the Tom Bhin shadow guide pack, which I love and is an incredible bag. It’s 35 liters. So it can hold a lot but you if you don’t pack it full. It’s great because you can really easily so I fill it with cute stuff like this is like my tech pouch. This is an ever good you know, tech pouch that has that just fits perfectly right into my backpack. So I slide all these pouches into the backpack that are and so the size the the measurements of that pack. There’s a couple of the ever goods travel bag two is incredible and fantastic and has a little bit more access points the the Tom Bhin one is a top loader you just kind of fill it from the top which I which I don’t mind. But anyway, so I use that or the Evergoods bag or the or another Tom Bhin bag called the Techo not which is also very good anyway.


Kulap Vilaysack  30:43

Thank you Jay, thank you.


Jason Mantzoukas  30:46

Yeah, of course and you know like and I could talk about backpacks for the literal rest of the podcast because it is I’m completely in the most embarrassing way. Like doubt my my downstairs guest room is just full of bins of backpacks that are it’s shocking.


Kulap Vilaysack  31:03

How many?


Jason Mantzoukas  31:05

The one of the other things that I will mention and the answer is like dozens of backpacks. The other thing I’ll mention which is the goal which is like what an incredible idea, the goal would really be to travel with just a backpack just just one bag travel Rick Steves style because a roller bag is you know, not always convenient and in fact is often inconvenient.


SuChin Pak  31:30

You need to get into trains and stuff. It’s so much easier just have a backpack


Jason Mantzoukas  31:33

Yeah, cobblestone streets all you just so much more mobile. So there are bags the GR that go wreck GR 2 the there’s a bunch of time bin bags that ever gets bag I mentioned there’s a bunch of others that are all fantastic for that and then what I do is I pack a smaller bag inside that bag so that when I get there if I want to turn around and go sightseeing or on a hike or something I have a little backpack like a little arcteryx backpack that I’ve got or one of the other little packable bags SuChin, is just laughing so hard at me. But what I will do specifically visa vie my plane etiquette is.


SuChin Pak  32:13

Oh my god.


Jason Mantzoukas  32:15

Is I take this Tom Bhin, one of these Tom Bhin topaz, right? That are small, the small tote bag that is like nothing right? And I put inside of this.


Kulap Vilaysack  32:27

Another wait.


Jason Mantzoukas  32:29

Yes, yes, but I’ll put inside of this. My my noise cancelling headphones if I’m bringing those my iPad, all the stuff that I want at my seat on the plane.


SuChin Pak  32:41

So you just pull it out.


Jason Mantzoukas  32:43

So what I do is I get to my seat. I take my backpack, I take my put my roller bag up above because nothing in it is coming out. I opened my backpack I pulled just this tote with everything that I need for the plane ride. Put it on the seat, put my backpack up above and now I’ve got my hero clip. I clip it this to the thing I hang my tote bag off of the seat in front of me. We have a photo it’s not sorry, we have a photo so my stuff is not hanging. My stuff is not touching the disgusting airplane floor, which is the most disgusting place and everything I need. Boom right here in my trusty Tom Bhin totebag.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:20

Now Jay, are you wiping down the seat?


Jason Mantzoukas  33:23

Oh, I’m wiping down everything I can get my hands on. I’m wiping out if yes, I’m wiping everything down. I’m wiping the I might bring the screen down. I’m wiping everything down and I don’t take I don’t eat a goddamn thing they get me and I treat it like nice try.


Kulap Vilaysack  33:48

Not falling for it, okay.


Jason Mantzoukas  33:51

Nice try, you what do you think I’m an idiot? You know, guess what? I don’t want food prepared less than four feet from a toilet. Think about that. Think about how present the toilet is to the food prep area. It you would never allow that in a restaurant. The every galley in every airplane would get an F from the health department just by proximity and that toilet shoots shit up. That’s how that works. That thing is just pouring fecal particles onto your ice into your drinks your fools your absolute fools for consuming this diarrhea food.


SuChin Pak  34:36

And plus those pilots in that cabin that pressurized cabin just the two of them. What’s going on in there?


Jason Mantzoukas  34:41

We’ve been farts just ripping farts they’re just fucking hotboxing that that cockpit with farts.


SuChin Pak  35:05

Okay, let’s get more into Jason’s cart.


Jason Mantzoukas  35:09

Along with my roller bag and my backpack. I carry now a sling around my front, whichever goods makes and I’m just gonna go get it right now hold on. And so I’ll I’ll dump everything in my pockets when I get to the airport, my phone, my airport, everything from for TSA. I’ll jump in here. I’ve got one of these.


SuChin Pak  35:30

So that plug adapters the Epica universal travel, is that what the?


Jason Mantzoukas  35:35

Hold on? I’ll go get it.


Kulap Vilaysack  35:36

Okay, you’re worried about you getting tired? Or why aren’t you worried about him getting tired, SuChin Pak?


SuChin Pak  35:46

I mean, here’s Bernie. He’s high.


Kulap Vilaysack  35:49

He’s so happy.


SuChin Pak  35:53

I’ve never his pupils are.


Jason Mantzoukas  35:56

Talking about? Yeah, yeah, this is the thing I’m talking about. So it’s got like, you wherever you are, you can you can, you can have the plug for wherever you are. And then it will plug in everything. And then it has like four USB C charging ports, one USB, A charging port, like it’s got all the stuff and a surge protector. So this is great for you, you know, I have this. And then I brought this, which is my anchor, I plug this into the wall. And then my it’s got two USB C ports and one USB, regular. And it’s a battery. And this is now a once this is charged, it’s a it’s a battery on the go. So it’s both my it’s both my wall unit but then when it’s when I just have it it can charge multiple phones or my iPad or whatever.


SuChin Pak  36:53

And where are those? What pouches? Are those two things in there? Nobody knows.


Kulap Vilaysack  36:58

Oh, no, not in the front pouch.


SuChin Pak  37:01

So you put it in your front pouch?


Jason Mantzoukas  37:03

This thing, I put everything in my front pouch baby.


SuChin Pak  37:07

I’m trying, I’m trying so hard to follow along. I mean, sorry.


Kulap Vilaysack  37:16

I have to waive my, I surrender flag.


SuChin Pak  37:24

Here, here’s where it makes sense. If he’s on the go. And his phone is dying. It’s like it’s not rifle, rifle rifle, it’s already slung.


Jason Mantzoukas  37:33

And I don’t have to him and I don’t have to go into exactly I don’t have to go into any bag. I’m I’m I can recharge my phone twice. With nothing without going into anything. But this. I’ve been traveling with this setup for a while now. And maybe twice. People have said you can’t have three things, you know. So what I do is I just take the fanny pack, and I put it I just put it in the backpack just for that. It’s annoying, but it’s only happened twice or if that so.


SuChin Pak  38:06

I have a specific question. And then I have like a big picture question.


Kulap Vilaysack  38:09

Here we go.


SuChin Pak  38:10

Okay, great um, I saw this question.


Jason Mantzoukas  38:12

Grow micro.


SuChin Pak  38:13

Yes, my, I want to start with a micro. Have you ever had the experience where you go into one of your tiny little secret compartments within a compartment within a compartment and you know, in your brain that you’ve got your little tiny little pouches for your vitamin there and you go in there with your your two fingers to grab it out and it’s empty. Have you ever had that experience where you go for something that you know should be there and I just wanted? I want to sit? Yeah, what is that look like?


Jason Mantzoukas  38:50

Sadly, it had no no it happened recently. And I was I was annoyed but it was fine because it was something that and this will it’ll happen when it’s things that are underused. So I was like, I had a headache. And I was like, I know in my fanny pack, there is Tylenol and, and so I tore that fanny pack to shreds, and that at some point I had moved that tylenol to my my, my toiletry my my toiletry kit, so it was annoyingly in the backpack. So I had to go find it elsewhere. So yes, but it’s kinda like that. I’ve never needed a frequently used item ie the battery or the cord or stuff like that because those things I always double check are there because I know during this 10 hour flight I’m gonna need that I’m gonna want that I’m gonna be really annoyed if I don’t have.


Kulap Vilaysack  39:47

This but I’m catches you every it’s a trust fall and she’s there.


SuChin Pak  39:52

Yeah, well, I mean.


Jason Mantzoukas  39:53

Remember building in redundancy, one is 0, 2 is one three is two.


SuChin Pak  39:59

My macro question here. And I have a few but I’m gonna try to just stick to one. My macro question here is okay. How much do you think of your headspace? your time and your energy, your body liquids? Your waking hormones do you spend thinking about pouches? reorganizing them, putting them away? laying them out, touching them, searching for them? How much of your life is pouch?


Kulap Vilaysack  40:37

Or cube?


Jason Mantzoukas  40:38

Okay, when I am because I’m trying to take this seriously, which is itself an upsetting reality. In normal life, not like not at all, unless I see a thing online like, just the other day I saw this company, Matador put out a new set of packing cubes. That looks like it has a I’m currently in the market for a different packing cubes. So I’m looking at other packing cube for clothes packing cubes, the ever good one I love. But I’m looking for some bigger ones anyway. So if I see something come across like my, one of the sites that I go to when one of my if my RSS feed shows me something from one of the sites that I follow, or the YouTube channels that I watch, I’ll I’ll engage with it if I’m looking for it. But otherwise, not really. But then in I will say, in the week or two leading up to a trip, especially like this last trip, which was long. And I was really having to think about like, how do I want to act like it’s I’m going to be in rainy places. So I need access to my raincoat all the time? Where am I going to keep it so that it’s easy to get to? And how am I going to pack it. So the rain coat, I figured out I’ll put it in its own queue in its own little thing. So it’s as tight as possible. And then I can fit it into the lid of my backpack. So it can live there. So I’ll think about stuff like that. But, but that, again, is only in the lead up to a tray.


SuChin Pak  42:18

Right, my final question is, is if you’re traveling with a partner.


Jason Mantzoukas  42:25



SuChin Pak  42:26

And does that partner have to engage in your philosophy of cubing? Because can that partner have his or her own packing philosophy that may interfere with the rhythm of your cubing?


Jason Mantzoukas  42:45

Sure, sure, no, I know what you’re saying. If somebody has a system that they that works for them, then they should go for it. I mean, you know, if I’m traveling with someone who’s they, they pack their thing their way or whatever. But if it becomes a situation where.


Kulap Vilaysack  43:01

Here we go.


Jason Mantzoukas  43:02

They’re like, oh, no, I don’t have this, this and this, I need to go to a store and I need to buy this, this and this. I’m like, now I’m annoyed. Now we’re wasting travel time doing errands. And this, this should have been figured out, you know, I mean, so like, like, I’ve traveled with buddies on trips that are they’re a fucking mess because they like just threw a bunch of stuff into the suitcase the night before and are showing up like, Oh, dude, I fucking I don’t have it. It’s colder than I thought I don’t have a jacket. And I’m like, how did you not look at the weather? For the week ahead? In the ski town we’re currently in like, what are you doing like this is now we have to go and find a store and get you by layers and.


Kulap Vilaysack  43:47

Episode One of Zouk’s Cubes where SuChin, expects to go to a pharmacy. That’s that’s part of the itinerary is that she’s going to be fine.


Jason Mantzoukas  43:57

If I’m running errands like that, I’ve failed.


SuChin Pak  44:02

And it’s the only reason I travel.


Jason Mantzoukas  44:06

But I will happily if someone is like, you know, like, oh, what’s the deal with packing cubes or whatever. I’ll be like, here, try and use these. Try this, you know, I’m happy to proselytize to someone if I’m going to be traveling with them. If they’re like, let me know how this works. I’m like, let’s do it. I’ll pack someone’s bag for them.


Kulap Vilaysack  44:26

So generous,


Jason Mantzoukas  44:27

If you know what I’m saying.


Kulap Vilaysack  44:30

Erotic, erotic, put your hands on over my tarps.


Jason Mantzoukas  44:36

But no I’m not you know my system. This my system is for me. And it’s because it’s absurd. I don’t think I’m doing it. Correct or like there’s no right or wrong way except that except that SuChin, is doing it wrong.


SuChin Pak  44:51

You derive pleasure from it. Like that’s, that’s what we’re. You mean isn’t that the baseline of it all.


Jason Mantzoukas  44:57

I like I feel satisfied. Then when I have fit a lot of stuff into cubes and then puzzle piece them into the structure of the two volumes of bags that I have, boom, boom, boom, I find real pleasure in I’ve got I’ve gotten it all in there and then and forgive me I think I told this story the last time but it’s the story that best illustrates this which is I told you about the blackout that happened in Telluride, Colorado when we were there for the Telluride Comedy Festival a town wide blackout happened overnight in a in a town that is like a box canyon in the middle of the mountains so he was like plunged into like the last century and it was so cool and beautiful and and there were no generators nobody had anything and I had I had in my possession seven flashlights.


Kulap Vilaysack  45:51

No biggie told me the story I don’t know this story.


Jason Mantzoukas  45:54

Oh, I thought I Oh, forgive me I thought I told that on the last one.


SuChin Pak  45:57

How did you have set you packed seven flashlights?


Kulap Vilaysack  46:01

Redundancies, SuChin Pak.


Jason Mantzoukas  46:03



Kulap Vilaysack  46:03

One equals zero.


Jason Mantzoukas  46:05

Yes, so I had multiple regular flashlights and that’s one of the things that I always bring to everything from like a small pocket size flashlight to I had a headlamp then I also have like.


Kulap Vilaysack  46:20

You have after reading I know.


SuChin Pak  46:21

I know reading your truck, but I can’t imagine pass. Flashlights that didn’t […]


Jason Mantzoukas  46:28

Oh, yeah, well, I also have like little flashlights attached to zippers on my backpack. So like, it wasn’t like here’s seven flashlights, I had to pull them off of other things. So they you know, a lot of them are little guys, but still, I was able to give everybody in the comedy festival, a flashlight during the blackout. And everyone was like what, why is, why do you have all of this? But part of it is because I have like I always travel with this Tom Biin bag. This little pack that’s just like a tool. It’s got flashlights in it. It’s got a little wrench in it. It’s got like, got one of these one of the windshield one of these windshield breakers you know these the tools that you’re supposed to have in your car if I’m if I’m traveling and I’m gonna be in cars in place. I don’t know. Guess what I’m gonna have a windshield breaker […] have I’m gonna have one of these things to plug into the cigarette lighter.


SuChin Pak  47:27

Okay, wow. Well, this is this is I’m astounded you have you traveled with a wrench that is.


Kulap Vilaysack  47:34

Travel with the cigarette lighter, so SuChin, and just to go back to you a little bit, I’m assuming your experiment with packing cubes has has unraveled and it really is just.


Jason Mantzoukas  47:47

Can we can I ask sorry to interrupt. Can I can I make a request? I tried. Can we do a video podcast sometime where I pack SuChin’s bags?


Kulap Vilaysack  47:58

Yeah, I like that very much. Like that very much.


Jason Mantzoukas  48:03

Maybe maybe not for an actual trip but maybe it’s just like here is everything that you would take and then I just we you this would be a funny video episode.


Kulap Vilaysack  48:14

I think we’re.


Jason Mantzoukas  48:16

We’re together.


Kulap Vilaysack  48:16

Yeah, and then watch her like a rabid raccoon.


SuChin Pak  48:20

[…] No, not even it’s it’s I just would love to see the look on your face when you see what I travel with. You know like when you list out the wrench and the and the stain you know remover pen and your little rubbery tips for your ears and I bust out with my snacks and my, pound bean pillow and you know.


Jason Mantzoukas  48:50

Wait, you take you take a like a bed pillow but that’s like the husks bean husks.


SuChin Pak  48:55

It’s the only thing I can sleep with.


Jason Mantzoukas  48:57

I just this trip was like I’m dangerously close to when when when I know I’m going to be someplace for a while just buying the pillow I know I like sending it they’re sleeping on it and letting them throw it away because these hotel pillows, this is Old Man this is real old man that’s why cannot know this shit no anymore.


Jason Mantzoukas  49:20

Oh no my neck and back are still jacked up from this last trip just because of pillows and beds.


SuChin Pak  49:20

And I and I’ve and I’ve been somewhere where I didn’t know I was going to spend the night and I was like oh you know what it’s getting too late, alright I’ll just you know stay in LA a night and then drive back in the morning. And I’m like I don’t know what I’m going to do about pillows. And so I’ve gone then to buy $160 pillow like the most expensive thinking that that and then never using it ever again because it’s the pillow it’s it I can’t it’s the age it’s I use that never was a thing until and I one night on not my pillow. Then it’s it’s game is over.


SuChin Pak  50:05

The the pillow that I use I have what? The barley right?


Kulap Vilaysack  50:11

Oh It’s barley.


SuChin Pak  50:12

Yeah like they’re like husks. They’re like husk.


Jason Mantzoukas  50:15

I slept on. I slept on one for many years.


SuChin Pak  50:18

Okay? If you can’t for some reason, have it delivered, I’ve had that delivered and then that’s the best case scenario and you leave it there or I take it with and then you throw away the husks.


Jason Mantzoukas  50:30

Oh, interesting. You can just you can just have the order.


SuChin Pak  50:35

Yeah, Husk inserts for so so so crazy. Sounds like this would be a perfectly smooth video. That would just be Kumbaya.


Jason Mantzoukas  50:46

I can’t imagine I can’t imagine it’s gonna end with SuChin, and I covered in husks, us and the floor just covered in husks.


Kulap Vilaysack  50:55

Husks and poise pads like that.


SuChin Pak  51:00

At the different sizes for different activities. I mean, it’s it’s not all the same size fits all. And so you’re gonna have to pouch that and figure out how to work.


Jason Mantzoukas  51:12

I love a challenge. Challenge accepted.


SuChin Pak  51:17

All right, when we meet next, I shall bring my soft fingered suitcase.


Kulap Vilaysack  51:23

Su, can I ask, can I ask in your in your system? Are there like things in the bags? Or do you have a good? Are they all different things?


SuChin Pak  51:37

The complete answer to that is the intention is always there in the beginning. Sure, sure. And I say okay, this is going to be just for the bathroom. Okay, right and so I’ll just put all my toiletries in there I put my my you know, serums and blah blah, blah. And last minute, you know.


Jason Mantzoukas  51:58

Finger cramming?


SuChin Pak  52:01

I have to finger cram something in there like a little, like maybe a little like, like a handkerchief or something like that. Where I was like, you know what, it’s, it’s great because it’s gonna be cold but not too cold. And this is something I can wear and cover my neck. And so then I have to find something.


Jason Mantzoukas  52:17

To put that in with your toiletries?


SuChin Pak  52:19

Because it’s it just as a last minute thing.


Jason Mantzoukas  52:22

SuChin, respectfully that’s madness. That’s madness.


SuChin Pak  52:26

I understand your viewpoint is being mad.


Jason Mantzoukas  52:30

That you have that neckerchief should have a home.


SuChin Pak  52:34

No, but no.


Jason Mantzoukas  52:35

But shouldn’t it shouldn’t just be jammed. It should be like you should know where to get neckerchiefs .


SuChin Pak  52:41

No, sometime.


Jason Mantzoukas  52:42

The neckerchief power.


SuChin Pak  52:43

Yeah, but sometimes you just don’t know until it’s last minute and then it’s just one or two you.


Jason Mantzoukas  52:49

You can […] you’re not you are able to know before last it’s possible goodbye Kulap, Kulap shrinking.


SuChin Pak  53:02

We lost her.


Kulap Vilaysack  53:05

Okay, I know you and I but.


Jason Mantzoukas  53:08

I’m having so much fun.


Kulap Vilaysack  53:10

Because I kind of because J, I know your bag looks like so now I didn’t understand or your shirts and underwear in ziplock bags too?


Jason Mantzoukas  53:19

SuChin, are you using Ziploc bags for clothes as packing cubes or no?


SuChin Pak  53:23



Jason Mantzoukas  53:24

The clothes just go in loose?


SuChin Pak  53:25

Yeah, that’s what I got my clothes. Yeah, loose clothes.


Jason Mantzoukas  53:27

But what about shoes or shoes bags or your shoes just or your dirty soles of your shoes up against your clean clothes?


SuChin Pak  53:34

That’s up against the crotch area of my underwear. I wrap the shoe, no, I the shoes go in usually like like a like a what do they call it like a dust bag or something?


Kulap Vilaysack  53:50

Okay, great.


Jason Mantzoukas  53:51



SuChin Pak  53:52

And so that was the shoes go all right. Okay, so then, so then it’s loose, folded, folded, folded clothing and then.


Jason Mantzoukas  53:59

Yeah, are you folding or rolling? Or neither?


SuChin Pak  54:02

Yeah, I am well, again the intention there is always super cram. No super organized. Like I know exactly what it is. I usually roll I usually roll but it depends you know and it kind of depends on on the the formation that’s happening and I never know I’m very free and open to it. You know, like sometimes a bag starts off where the rolling works and then I add something and now suddenly I can only lay things down flat. So then that happens. But I do have to say there’s always something last minute for me that I’m not going to unroll and reorganize everything. It’s just going to have to be jam finger jammed into the edge any any […] cramming […] .


Jason Mantzoukas  54:50

But see my fear would be my fear would be what you have is when you open your suitcase, it is not chaos, but it is it is kind. And once you start digging around, you are creating more chaos, right? So so then what you’re doing is creating a situation where repacking your bag to move to a different city or a different leg of your trip, repacking your bag becomes quite difficult because you have to actually go and redo everything you’ve upset. By pulling out this sweater, you’ve unraveled three other things versus for me, I’m unzipping the cubes that are in my bag and like drawers in the suitcase. I’m like, here’s my white shirt for tonight. Here’s my underwear. Here are my socks, thank you, thank you SuChin.


SuChin Pak  54:51

Thank you mama.


Jason Mantzoukas  55:42

Thank you mood.


SuChin Pak  55:43

I am repacking and packing my suitcase at all hours of the trip at every free choice.


Jason Mantzoukas  55:50

So much time.


Kulap Vilaysack  55:51

Okay, well, let me let me ask this. Do you enjoy that? Does that give you pleasure?


SuChin Pak  55:56

As much pleasure as as this trip tarp gives, Jason.


Kulap Vilaysack  56:01



Jason Mantzoukas  56:02

Which is quite a bit of pleasure.


Kulap Vilaysack  56:03

Okay. well.


SuChin Pak  56:04



Kulap Vilaysack  56:05

Because it’s there.


Jason Mantzoukas  56:06

It’s quite a bit of pleasure, because I fuck that talk.


SuChin Pak  56:10

Same, same.


Jason Mantzoukas  56:13

I make a couple of tarps.


SuChin Pak  56:14

Yeah, you fuck the tarp, I make love to my suitcase. Every chance I get […]


Jason Mantzoukas  56:20

What kind of suit?


SuChin Pak  56:21

I don’t even know. It’s a soft China suitcase. It’s a great suitcase, got it on sale. Yeah, I’m sure like back country or you know, something like that.


Kulap Vilaysack  56:34

Okay, okay, wow okay so, in summation, you guys are both doing things that feel good to you, is that fair?


SuChin Pak  56:43

Is great, we’re getting […]


Jason Mantzoukas  56:46

Both are, it’s interesting. I think, boy, what I think what’s interesting, I feel like in doing these episodes, I think in my mind, I would when SuChin, over as a convert to some of these things. What I think is happening though, is I think she’s digging her heels in deeper.


Kulap Vilaysack  57:04

I feel that too. I feel that.


SuChin Pak  57:06

No, I’m hoping I got the bins I told you, I did that and then I couldn’t. I couldn’t remember what was in those damn packing cubes, and so.


Jason Mantzoukas  57:15

That’s tough.


SuChin Pak  57:16

That when I could so then I put the labels on and that all got messed up if we were to collab.


Kulap Vilaysack  57:22

Oh, no. This collab on a bag […] Cube you know, line.


SuChin Pak  57:30

Yeah, okay, let’s, everything would be clear.


Jason Mantzoukas  57:33

There are certain cubes that not clear but have like mesh have like a, the one side you can kind of see a little bit so I do think and one of the ways that I do it too is I will color coordinate. So like certain cubes, I like my orange ever goods cube, I know is underwear, T shirts, sleep shorts, that is just that stuff. The red packing cube, just white shirts. You know, like there are certain things that I’m like this, these are always going to be true. So that I’m it’s just baked in, right? Because I agree with you. Just a cacophony of cubes is just as confusing. If you don’t know what’s where, you know, like, you don’t want to start there. unzipping, unzipping and rummaging around, thing that I’m saying, which is you’re making a mess. And that’s my whole thing is trying to not have a mess.


SuChin Pak  58:29

Right, right and I say that is where, once again, the juice of life is.


Kulap Vilaysack  58:35

Wow, Jason. I mean, where else should we end but their, you know?


Jason Mantzoukas  58:40

I mean, I’m having a great time.


Kulap Vilaysack  58:43

No, no, I love it so much. She said, I miss you. I feel like I haven’t seen you forever.


Jason Mantzoukas  58:47

I mean, I’ve I’ve been I’ve been this the these weeks have been crazy. So I’m so excited to be home. I would love to see you as soon as possible. But I literally have practically not left the house in the three days that I’ve been.


SuChin Pak  59:05

You’ve been deep, couching.


Jason Mantzoukas  59:06

My bed, all I want to do is Oh my god. If I told you.


SuChin Pak  59:11

I can only imagine the Deke pouching chambers that you have to go into.


Jason Mantzoukas  59:16

I’m also obsessed with bedbugs. So I take all the pouches and stuff that I use, I put them in a black trash bag, and I put that outside in the sun for a few days when I come home so that it kind of kills anything that’s in there.


Kulap Vilaysack  59:29

Wow, okay, okay.


SuChin Pak  59:32

That’s a bonus app. I don’t know that may go behind a paywall.


Kulap Vilaysack  59:35

Yeah, SuChin, will put a lot of things out in the sun to kill, she does, she has done a lot of that in the past. Wow guys. Well, that’s all for today’s episode, Carter’s Cuber’s. You have to see these packing photos head over to our Instagram @addtocartpod, we will see you next week.


Jason Mantzoukas  1:00:00

I’m coming at you.


Kulap Vilaysack  1:00:01

This is a Zouk’s cubes.


Jason Mantzoukas  1:00:04

Cube time.


Kulap Vilaysack  1:00:05

You’ve just been cubed.


Jason Mantzoukas  1:00:07

Do the cube.


Kulap Vilaysack  1:00:09

Diced and cubed.


Jason Mantzoukas  1:00:12

Welcome to the pouch house.


SuChin Pak  1:00:14

Finger jam.


Jason Mantzoukas  1:00:15

House of how.


Kulap Vilaysack  1:00:17

To finger jam.


CREDITS  1:00:38

There’s more Add To Cart with Lemonada Premium subscribers get exclusive access to bonus content like where we tell you about the last item we bought or returned and why subscribe now in Apple podcasts. Add To Cart is a production of Lemonada Media. Our producers are Kegan Zema and Tiffany Bouy. Brian Castillo is our engineer. Theme music is by Wasahhbii and produced by La Made It and Oh So Familiar with additional music by APM music. Executive producers or Kulap Vilaysack, SuChin Pak, Jessica Cordova Kramer, and Stephanie Wittels Wachs. Be sure to check out all the items we mentioned today on our Instagram at @AddToCartPod. Follow Add to Cart wherever you get your podcasts or listen at free on Amazon music with your Prime membership.

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