108. The Girl in the Fridge
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Boner Alert! In today’s episode, we dive into Brennan’s first love interest on the show: her former anthropology professor, Dr. Michael Stires. Emily dishes out some cold goss about the actor who played Stires (Josh Hopkins), and reveals a surprising connection he had with one of her friends. Emily also shares insights about filming that sex scene with him, and she and Carla analyze Brennan’s pillow talk skills. Plus, we settle the rumors: did Emily and David Boreanaz ever date in real life? And, Carla confesses a little crush she had on a fellow Bones cast member.
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SPEAKERS
Carla Gallo, Emily Deschanel
Emily Deschanel 00:01
What episode are we talking about?
Carla Gallo 00:03
108.
Emily Deschanel 00:03
108, don’t be late for 108.
Carla Gallo 00:05
Yes, the guy in the fridge.
Emily Deschanel 00:19
I’m Emily Deschanel.
Carla Gallo 00:21
And I’m Carla Gallo.
Emily Deschanel 00:22
And this is Boneheads.
Emily Deschanel 00:28
Hi.
Carla Gallo 00:29
Hello.
Emily Deschanel 00:30
We just watched the episode together.
Carla Gallo 00:31
We did which is my favorite thing to do. You’re so kind andyou feed me when I come here.
Carla Gallo 00:38
And I really appreciate that. You know, people have differentlove languages. I think being feed is my love language.
Emily Deschanel 00:38
Of course!
Emily Deschanel 00:46
That’s nice.
Carla Gallo 00:47
I know how I show love.
Emily Deschanel 00:49
I know how to love you, Carla.
Carla Gallo 00:50
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 00:51
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 00:51
And don’t feel like you always have to feed me, by the way.
Emily Deschanel 00:54
I’m happy to feed if I have food, you’re welcome to .
Carla Gallo 00:56
You always have food.
Emily Deschanel 00:58
Yeah, I usually have food.
Carla Gallo 00:59
It was a veggie chili.
Emily Deschanel 01:01
I made it myself.
Carla Gallo 01:02
A vegan sour cream and some corn chips.
Emily Deschanel 01:05
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 01:06
Delightful.
Emily Deschanel 01:07
Oh, I’m glad you liked that.
Carla Gallo 01:08
Quinoa salad on the side.
Emily Deschanel 01:09
Quinoa salad on the side.
Carla Gallo 01:10
Yeah, it’s delicious.
Emily Deschanel 01:11
With the tahini dressing, I didn’t make that.
Carla Gallo 01:13
Oh! it was nice, tahini dressing.
Emily Deschanel 01:14
Yeah, it was good.
Carla Gallo 01:14
You didn’t make the?
Emily Deschanel 01:16
I didn’t make that, no, but it’s good.
Carla Gallo 01:18
It was nice.
Emily Deschanel 01:19
A little mango.
Carla Gallo 01:20
Mango.
Emily Deschanel 01:21
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 01:21
[…]. What is this? What is a mango?
Emily Deschanel 01:24
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 01:25
Wonderful.
Emily Deschanel 01:26
I like the mango. I saw my kids would like it, especially my one son who loves mango and he wouldn’t even taste it.
Carla Gallo 01:33
That is the last couple of things I’ve made, my kids are not interested in. But speaking of mango, I sent a mango flowerto school. Have you heard of that?
Emily Deschanel 01:33
No.
Carla Gallo 01:43
I think that’s what Ellie said, it’s called a mango flower. But now they think about it, it’s not at all a flower. But when you slice half of it with skin on, sliced it and turn it inside out.
Emily Deschanel 01:54
Yes, that’s how I learned how to cut mangoes. I’m glad you know how to do that.
Emily Deschanel 02:00
Not everyone knows how to cut a mango, I’ve never heard itreferred to that. It’s just how you cut a mango, but lots of people don’t know how to do that. I learned that from whenI lived when I was 10 years old. We lived in the Seychelles off the coast of Africa, so they have lots of mangoes there.
Carla Gallo 02:09
I don’t know.
Carla Gallo 02:10
Wonderful.
Emily Deschanel 02:17
Coconuts and tropical fruit.
Carla Gallo 02:19
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 02:19
And that’s where I learned to cut in mango and so I learned ityoung, thinking everyone knows how to cut a mango, but no, they don’t.
Carla Gallo 02:27
No, it took me 40 some odd years to learn to cut a mango.
Emily Deschanel 02:32
Wow, you could have just asked me.
Carla Gallo 02:34
I should have, I didn’t know, all those years on Bones […] .
Emily Deschanel 02:38
Why did that never come up?
Carla Gallo 02:39
Because that’s a ridiculous.
Emily Deschanel 02:40
Maybe that’s on me.
Carla Gallo 02:41
Yeah, I think it is. You should have shared the wealth of knowledge as Brennan always does.
Emily Deschanel 02:49
I know Brennan would have […]. Although Brennan always has secret suppers or she has so many experiences that you don’t find out about.
Carla Gallo 02:56
She could’ve possibly tell you all the places she’s saying, all of her knowledge.
Emily Deschanel 03:01
Living in the Seychelles is the most exotic thing that I’ve done. But I should be talking about it all the time.
Carla Gallo 03:08
You should.
Emily Deschanel 03:09
Because I have information from it. Anyways, here to talk about the episode, “The girl in the fridge”.
Carla Gallo 03:14
Episode 108, Girl in the fridge; written by Dana Cohen and directed by Sanford Bookstaver.
Emily Deschanel 03:15
A.K.A Sandy Bookstamer. He directed several of our show.
Carla Gallo 03:18
[…] Because this name, that was a familiar name to me.
Emily Deschanel 03:31
No, he directed many. This was first of many episodes that he directed.
Carla Gallo 03:37
Yeah, I think I did have him as a director.
Emily Deschanel 03:39
I’m sure you did, I’m sure you encountered him and his wife was also on this show later on, Rena Sofer.
Carla Gallo 03:45
I was gonna say, I know that name.
Emily Deschanel 03:46
You did at least one episode if not more lovely.
Carla Gallo 03:50
All the family.
Emily Deschanel 03:51
Yeah, all the family.
Carla Gallo 03:52
Now, I’m gonna attempt to read the synopsis.
Emily Deschanel 03:55
Yeah, let’s do it.
Carla Gallo 03:56
Okay. Brennan, Angela and Zach are in the bone room and suddenly Hodgins comes in with this red package (this gift forBrennan). And he’s like, “Listen, there’s a mystery guy waiting and when you open it, you’re gonna know who it is”. Then mycharacter, Brennan, darts from the room.
Emily Deschanel 04:14
She opens this up, there’s something in it. I mean, they reveal what it looks like?
Carla Gallo 04:17
No.
Emily Deschanel 04:18
Like a skull mug. That was my guess of what it is.
Carla Gallo 04:20
To me, it looked like a teapot. No, I don’t think it was […] .
Emily Deschanel 04:25
I thought it was like a large skull, like a white skull mug.
Carla Gallo 04:30
Oh, maybe […] .
Emily Deschanel 04:32
Seems to know who it is and rush out.
Carla Gallo 04:37
Right and then we see her talking to the mystery man, who turns out to be her former professor. Also her ex lava, which is very exciting.
Emily Deschanel 04:51
This is thrilling.
Carla Gallo 04:52
It is. We see her and she’s really kind of flirty and lighting up when she talks to him.
Emily Deschanel 04:57
I know.
Carla Gallo 04:57
We haven’t seen her like that, we’ve seen her chemistry with Booth, but we haven’t seen this like, “You meet me down here. I’ll meet you up there”.
Emily Deschanel 05:03
She’s excited.
Carla Gallo 05:06
I was excited.
Emily Deschanel 05:08
Carla likes sexy staff.
Carla Gallo 05:11
How do you know what I like?
Emily Deschanel 05:14
So, this is Michael Styers.
Carla Gallo 05:17
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 05:17
I just wanted to make it clear who this person is. His name is Michael Styers, he was her professor at Northwestern. Hes’ aforensic anthropologist as well, and they were lovers.
Carla Gallo 05:30
So, they’re getting reacquainted and then Booth shows up, just rolling in a big refrigerator that contains human remains.
Emily Deschanel 05:39
You never won’t know it’s gonna show up, The Jeffersonian. Then the squints work on identifying this victim who turns outto be this person, Maggie Schilling. They figure out that she suffered from hyperparathyroidism.
Carla Gallo 05:56
Right. So, Booth and Brennan go talk to the victim’s parents. They find out that Maggie had a bit of a drug problem. They go speak to Maggie’s doctor and find out that, “Yes, she was trying to get drugs from him” and the person that she actually was getting drugs from, was his former office manager.
Emily Deschanel 06:14
Who he calls a disgruntled former employee.
Carla Gallo 06:17
Right and she had a strangely close relationship with her. So, Booth and Brennan go visit the home of the former office manager; Mary Costello and her husband. When they’re in the home, Booth notice that they have a brand new refrigerator. So he goes over, pushes it back, and he sees marks on the floor indicating there had been a previous refrigerator.
Emily Deschanel 06:36
Yeah, pretty suspicious.
Carla Gallo 06:37
Yes, very suspicious. But the truth of the matter for me at least, this episode is not actually about the case. It is about Brennan’s relationship with Michael, and the.
Emily Deschanel 06:54
All aspects.
Carla Gallo 06:55
All aspects and we’re gonna get into it later. But just for me, I’m gonna work, shopping a segment called boner alert. So for me, there’s a boner alert.
Emily Deschanel 07:06
Carla has been really fighting for this.
Carla Gallo 07:10
Watching this episode I was like, “Well, here’s the time, here’s the time to roll boner alert out” because we see your back. I was like, “Is that her beautiful back?” And we hear kissing sound, we don’t see the kissing. I was like, “Is this really happening?”.
Emily Deschanel 07:25
I don’t know if it was the first scene we shot or it was the first scene I shot with him but I literally met him and took my dad to take my shirt off and kiss him.
Carla Gallo 07:36
Really?
Emily Deschanel 07:37
Yes.
Carla Gallo 07:37
And he met beforehand?
Emily Deschanel 07:39
No! We met at the rehearsal, I think.
Carla Gallo 07:43
No.
Emily Deschanel 07:44
Yeah, then my little cold goss.
Carla Gallo 07:49
Oh cool, I love a cold goss.
Emily Deschanel 07:51
A friend of mine who will go unnamed, said that she watchedthe episode and she had a fling with this actor.
Carla Gallo 08:00
Really?
Emily Deschanel 08:01
Yeah, I was like, “Well, we kiss the same man”.
Carla Gallo 08:03
Look at that, it’s forever connected.
Emily Deschanel 08:04
I wasn’t doing it besides my job, I did not kiss him besides that.
Carla Gallo 08:09
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 08:09
But, I forever connected to that friend, unnamed friends.
Carla Gallo 08:13
I think that Sarah did a pilot with him or a show with him.
Emily Deschanel 08:19
Yeah, he did a lot of things […] .
Carla Gallo 08:23
I don’t know, I’ll have to look it up because I recognized him.
Emily Deschanel 08:26
My friend, she watching with her husband and she’s like “Oh” and he’s like, “What?” And she’s like, “Nothing”.
Carla Gallo 08:31
Yeah, oh no. I’ve had a few of those situations myself. I’ve had a few of those myself.
Emily Deschanel 08:37
So other cast members that are, Matt Ross, who plays the defense attorney in this show, was a friend. This is the first time I worked with a friend I think, that I knew before. He andI worked on Rose Red, which I’ve mentioned already, it’s my first job as an actor, he was on it so we worked together for five months in Seattle. That’s where Melanie Lynskey.
Carla Gallo 09:02
Oh, yeah, same job?
Emily Deschanel 09:05
Same job called Rose Red Sea.
Carla Gallo 09:08
Oh, same thing, okay.
Emily Deschanel 09:10
Okay, so she died. It even starts with Angela trying to have a conversation with Brennan about guys.
Carla Gallo 09:17
Yes, because I have a note here, “Todd is creepy”. And then I was like, “Who’s Todd?” And I’m like, “Oh, she mentioned she’s dating a guy named Todd”.
Emily Deschanel 09:24
Who’s making a point face.
Carla Gallo 09:26
Yes. And she’s like, “Todd is creepy, but Todd has a friend” and you’re like, “You say, he’s creepy”. And then she’s like “No,Todd is creepy or something”. So she keeps trying to set you up with these friends of the team weirdos that she’s dating.
Emily Deschanel 09:40
Yeah […] But Brennan find someone on.
Carla Gallo 09:44
I know, she doesn’t need Angela’s health.
Emily Deschanel 09:45
She is good.
Carla Gallo 09:47
I know.
Emily Deschanel 09:48
For this one episode and then she gets totally betrayed by that person.
Carla Gallo 09:53
I did enjoy, that is true. I did. It was nice to see Brennan takealover. Isn’t that a great term? It was great, though. It was nice, it was surprising. We’ve been surprised that way.
Emily Deschanel 10:06
Sure.
Carla Gallo 10:09
We did comment. We were laughing a little bit at your pillow talk.
Emily Deschanel 10:13
Oh, I know.
Carla Gallo 10:13
It’s all sexy time and you’re like, “She fought”. You’re talking about Maggie Schilling, “She fought, she was in the refrigerator” because very intimate scene.
Emily Deschanel 10:24
We’re in bed together.
Carla Gallo 10:25
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 10:26
And this is what I choose to talk about, murder victim. This is real sexy for Brennan. I mean, if you’re going to have pillow talk, if Brennan is gonna have, let’s say that’s her preferred Pillow Talk. If there’s anyone else in the world whowants to have pillow talk like that? It’s this Michael Stoners guy.
Carla Gallo 10:44
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 10:44
And also, he’s getting inside information that he wouldn’t get otherwise.
Carla Gallo 10:50
He didn’t realize that.
Emily Deschanel 10:50
He’s not gonna shut her up, but he’s getting all access to all ways in which they’re coming to their conclusions. And there’s this rivalry, they’re fighting. It’s real betrayal, it’s questionable.
Carla Gallo 11:05
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 11:06
Unethical, I would argue. I don’t know if that.
Carla Gallo 11:09
I think it might be on not cool.
Emily Deschanel 11:11
Not cool.
Carla Gallo 11:11
I think it’s not cool, officially, that’s the truth.
Emily Deschanel 11:13
We know that.
Carla Gallo 11:14
Yeah, well, that we know.
Emily Deschanel 11:16
We have Zach trying to give Brennan a fist bump.
Carla Gallo 11:21
Oh, yes. It illustrate his awkwardness and lack of knowledge of human interest.
Emily Deschanel 11:28
And Zach keeps saying, “Okay, she was a good earlier student and they have a relationship and I’m her anthropology student now” […] .
Carla Gallo 11:43
Hodgin’s like, “Not gonna happen”. That’s not the sex scene I’m looking to see. I’m looking to see this sex scene between you and your professor. Not a hunk of a man, no offense.
Emily Deschanel 11:59
You are not into Zach and Brennan?
Carla Gallo 12:01
Zach, absolutely adorable.
Emily Deschanel 12:03
It’s just the characters. Brennan and Zach are so similar andthat they’re not.
Carla Gallo 12:08
He also seems young, even though we’ve talk.
Emily Deschanel 12:10
He’s older than I am in real life.
Carla Gallo 12:12
I know, he seems really young.
Emily Deschanel 12:13
I know he seems very young and everyone thinks he’s a virgin, but he’s like, “No, I’m not far from it”, I think in the pilot,right?
Carla Gallo 12:13
Right.
Emily Deschanel 12:16
When the fist bump thing happens with Zach, Angela says, “I love it when you two impersonate earthlings.
Carla Gallo 12:29
Oh, yeah. There were a few giggles in this episode.
Emily Deschanel 12:33
Sure.
Carla Gallo 12:33
I feel like we laughed a few times.
Emily Deschanel 12:35
That just reminds me because the actor, Josh Hopkins, who plays Michael sirs. One other memory is in the scene where he comes to look through the evidence officially, when he has already been hired by the defense.
Carla Gallo 12:49
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 12:49
So, I guess he’s allowed to have a look at the remains.
Carla Gallo 12:52
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 12:53
He has a clipboard and findings, and then he hands it over tome and he’s corrected my findings […]. Before that, there wasback and forth kind of argument about the cause of certain injuries and stuff.
Carla Gallo 13:07
Right.
Emily Deschanel 13:07
But anyways, he’s corrected Brennan’s things but his comments were, we had a paper and you probably saw this. We had this, I’m assuming it was still there when you came onto the show. But we had papers that had a human body, like nondescript and you could circle, like, “This is where this happened”.
Carla Gallo 13:27
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 13:30
He threw a lawn or an arrow to a butt area and said, “Poop comes out here” or something like that. And then I had to keep a straight face. So I watched it, thinking, I know what he wrote, which is “Poop comes from here”, or “Some poop comes from here”, or something like that.
Carla Gallo 13:49
I appreciate that though.
Emily Deschanel 13:49
He’s very mature.
Carla Gallo 13:51
Listen, I’m not.
Emily Deschanel 13:53
I appreciated the joke too.
Carla Gallo 13:55
I would too, especially because, in the midst of all that.
Emily Deschanel 13:58
I didn’t expect him to see.
Carla Gallo 13:59
I know. And also someone trying to crack you up, that I reallyenjoyed.
Emily Deschanel 14:02
Yes, I agree. I enjoyed it too, I appreciate that about him. I liked working with him and it made me laugh, but I had to not laugh.
Carla Gallo 14:11
I would be so scared that the camera would, even though it’s not going to. Well, I were like him or even you, I have a feeling, I would be so scared that the camera was gonna catch that, even though you really would want to do.
Emily Deschanel 14:24
I think at that time, I knew the camera was not. I really am very savvy about where the cameras are and what they can see. It’s just in my blood, Carla. I just know what cameras are always seeing at all times.
Carla Gallo 14:37
Wow.
Emily Deschanel 14:42
We have to take a really quick break. We’ll be back with more boneheads in just a bit.
Emily Deschanel 15:06
So, we find out from dental records that. Oh! I’ve just skipped a hot. I mean, I don’t know if we want to go throughevery detail of everything. But, Booth brings in a fridge and the guy Michael’s there. And the fridge, it gets opened and there’s human remains.
Carla Gallo 15:25
As usual. I mean, now we’re in it, where it’s full blown, how disgusting can it be? It was brown and sticky. And when that came on the screen, we were eating chili.
Emily Deschanel 15:40
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 15:40
And you said, I wrote it down, “Oh no! we’re eating”
Emily Deschanel 15:50
I didn’t think about the fact that we set up our lunch to coincide with watching and we might not feel like eating.
Carla Gallo 16:00
Yeah, in that moment.
Emily Deschanel 16:01
While watching an episode of Bones, even if we were there and know that it’s fake, it’s just so gross.
Carla Gallo 16:06
It’s so disgusting. It is, it actually is. It has the effect, the intended effect. It was very disgusting.
Emily Deschanel 16:14
So it’s disgusting and then Brennan tells Michael to pick her up at 7:30 so even […] knows they’re lovers and going to get together. And then, through dental records, we know that this person is Maggie Schilling, who went missing 11 months ago.
Carla Gallo 16:33
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 16:34
But, Angela’s already done a reconstruction or an illustration of the face from the skull.
Carla Gallo 16:40
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 16:42
And Brennan says, “Oh, no, I’m not interested in Michael anymore. He’s my ex lover, not a current lover”. That is a constant, the speed of light or something like that, platonic.
Carla Gallo 16:56
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 16:57
Do they share a love of science or something? […] .
Carla Gallo 17:02
She was good casting, by the way, because I felt if you have to pick an actor to, Booth never came off as threatened by him, necessarily.
Emily Deschanel 17:14
No.
Carla Gallo 17:14
But if you’re gonna have her take a lover, you do kind of want it to be someone that Booth’s a little like, “Oh, okay”, he was a proper. I actually would have liked to have seen Booth be a little threatened.
Emily Deschanel 17:28
Sure.
Carla Gallo 17:28
I was kind of expecting.
Emily Deschanel 17:30
You see Brennan being threatened.
Carla Gallo 17:31
I know.
Emily Deschanel 17:32
Or seemingly jealous of some kind, because she’s always bringing up, or maybe it’s just her way, because she might not know how to hold that in.
Carla Gallo 17:42
Maybe. He has the scene where Booth is like, “Oh, I’ll call you later”. And you’re like, “I won’t be home, I have reservations”. And he was like, “Oh”, but he didn’t seem threatened. But I kind of wanted him to and if you’re going to be threatened, I think that was good casting.
Emily Deschanel 17:58
And I think it’s a perfect thing. He’s a little bit older, he’s not that much older. So you can see, that it’s not super old professor.
Carla Gallo 18:09
No.
Emily Deschanel 18:09
He’s just a little older, he’s handsome, whatever.
Carla Gallo 18:13
Yeah, and I thought it was good casting, as usual.
Emily Deschanel 18:17
I agree. Oh, and then they’re in bed together. Where I had to just take my shirt off and kiss him. Okay, here we go, “Nice t meet you and let’s kiss and I’m going to take my shirt off”. And she’s late the next day to come to the lab.
Carla Gallo 18:38
Unusual.
Emily Deschanel 18:39
Unusual, she brings Michael with her. Not a good idea, she’s very trusting.
Carla Gallo 18:46
Your boy toy to work, don’t do that. He calls Brennan Tempe which I don’t know if we heard. I don’t know if we’ve heard anyone do that […] .
Emily Deschanel 18:56
Oh, really? I can’t remember.
Carla Gallo 18:58
There was a little girl in Ellie’s class named Tempe and that was Ellie’s little best friend. I remember when we started at the school, at her preschool because we switched schools (long story). I was kind of almost nervous to meet the mother because her name was Tempe, but her real name wasTemperance. And I was like, “Oh no, she’s a Bones mega fan”.There’s no question.
Emily Deschanel 19:27
No question.
Carla Gallo 19:29
[…]. Where else is that name coming from? And I remember, she’s Southern and I was like, “That’s interesting, where did you?”.
Emily Deschanel 19:37
So, you asked?
Carla Gallo 19:38
A 100% because Ellie was becoming very close with her daughter and she was like, “Oh, you know, she’s southern”. And she was like, “Oh, it was my grandmother’s name” or something like that. And I was like, “Thank God”. And they went on to become good friends with her and she’s still a good friend.
Emily Deschanel 19:55
Because Carla hates Bones.
Carla Gallo 19:57
No, that’s not true.
Emily Deschanel 19:57
That is what everyone take away from you.
Carla Gallo 20:00
It’s not true, I was worried. She is such a Bones fan, she named her daughter temperance. […] And now, we’re not gonna have a real relationship, she’s just gonna be my fan. Itturned out, no idea about anything that I’ve done, ever did.
Emily Deschanel 20:12
But did she know? Did you mention Bones?
Carla Gallo 20:20
Oh, probably knowing me.
Emily Deschanel 20:22
And did she know of that show? You might want to watch it, maybe episodes like 4 to 10.
Carla Gallo 20:33
I would imagine I did tell her that, I don’t know. I don’t remember what her reaction was.
Emily Deschanel 20:38
Go back and talk to her.
Carla Gallo 20:39
I can.
Emily Deschanel 20:40
Then get the information and come back.
Carla Gallo 20:41
I can, I’m still in touch with her.
Emily Deschanel 20:43
Okay, good Carla.
Carla Gallo 20:46
Thanks. So heated in here […] .
Emily Deschanel 20:49
It’s like Brennan and Stires.
Carla Gallo 20:53
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 20:53
Whatever they fighting. So yes, they do. They kind of argue about things and there’s hydromorphone in the body.
Carla Gallo 21:03
Right, which they keep saying, “Is the hospital, hospital heroin” or something like that. And I know I’m jumping aheada bit, but we both recognized Rachel Miner.
Emily Deschanel 21:16
Yes.
Carla Gallo 21:20
I don’t know if I used to audition against her, but I remember her.
Emily Deschanel 21:23
She was a lot, I remember when she came on too. I was like, “Oh, yeah”.
Carla Gallo 21:28
It’s a nice accomplishment, getting her on the show. I did enjoy that whole, I enjoyed their apartment and Booth, finding all the kinky stuff.
Emily Deschanel 21:42
The discussion about S&M.
Carla Gallo 21:46
Yeah, I remember.
Emily Deschanel 21:47
Brennan does not need any of that to keep her sex life interesting, at that moment.
Carla Gallo 21:52
Is that what she said?
Emily Deschanel 21:53
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 21:53
I was gonna say, I don’t remember the details of what they said about this. I just thought it was funny that, like pink, fuzzy handcuffs and a dog collar. It was very inoffensive sort of.
Emily Deschanel 22:06
Well, it’s fox. I mean, fox means different things. But, kids could walk in watching, you don’t wanna have something worst.
Carla Gallo 22:15
That is a good point, although a decomposing body in refrigerator might be more offense.
Emily Deschanel 22:21
But kids watch that too.
Carla Gallo 22:22
I know.
Emily Deschanel 22:22
But, it’s just a human body. But, it’s also been murdered.
Carla Gallo 22:26
I know […] .
Emily Deschanel 22:29
We taught we meet the victim’s parents and she did get into some drugs, she was into alcohol ecstasy and something else. She had a thyroid condition, we find out.
Carla Gallo 22:43
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 22:43
And they said, go to the endocrinologist, then we meet with endocrinologist and it’s real quick. He basically sends us to his office manager, who’s the Rachel Miner part.
Carla Gallo 22:53
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 22:54
And takes us to the handcuffs, the manacles, if you will.
Carla Gallo 22:58
Oh, is that the other word?
Emily Deschanel 22:59
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 22:59
Oh, I’ve heard that, okay.
Emily Deschanel 23:01
Medicals, nicely done.
Carla Gallo 23:03
Nicely done.
Emily Deschanel 23:05
Then we meet Matt Ross, who’s the Costello. Costellos are the office manager, her husband.
Carla Gallo 23:11
I wanted to bring up.
Emily Deschanel 23:12
Please.
Carla Gallo 23:14
I found it kind of unusual, so this became a bit of a courtroom drama.
Emily Deschanel 23:19
Yes, this is an episode that became a courtroom.
Carla Gallo 23:21
But, I thought that was kind of odd, because there are so many episodes where you all are accusing somebody and they’re like, “Well, I didn’t do it. It wasn’t me”. And they’re like,”it was so and so, or whatever”. And so this is not uncommon.
Emily Deschanel 23:32
Who stole the cookie […].
Carla Gallo 23:35
They want me. But I just thought it was odd, but in other episodes, many times, the people you are accusing are denying it and we don’t go to trial. Like this was, I thought, kind of unusual to have it be like, “Oh, well, you know, we’re accused that we are innocent, and this is going to become a huge trial”.
Emily Deschanel 24:00
Presumably all of the cases go to trial unless there’s a plea deal, right?
Carla Gallo 24:05
I don’t know.
Emily Deschanel 24:06
Well, there’s a lot of confessions on the show.
Carla Gallo 24:08
That’s true.
Emily Deschanel 24:08
When there’s confessions, a lot of times you get a plea deal.
Carla Gallo 24:11
Right.
Emily Deschanel 24:12
Not always, but presumably there’s a lot. There’s cases that Booth and Brennan and all the rest of the squints and everybody have worked on that go to trial, we just don’t see the trial.
Carla Gallo 24:23
Yes […]. I mean, I like taking it out of the lab, I thought that was kind of fun being in a different circumstance with all of you. And I did think it was very, though she was very nasty to you, the jury consultant, the person who at least […] .
Emily Deschanel 24:41
It’s Coppola played that part, I don’t remember her character’s name.
Carla Gallo 24:45
She was very nasty to you, but I did find it very funny with herbeing like, “Nobody likes you, I’ve seen you on other cases and the jury doesn’t like you. You’re cold, you’re unlikable. You talk in scientific terms” […] then what played out afterwards of us seeing the shots of you talking, and the jury being, I just enjoy. I thought it was very funny.
Emily Deschanel 25:09
And jury falling asleep.
Carla Gallo 25:11
Yeah, falling asleep, being confused, being turned off by you.
Emily Deschanel 25:15
They did not like. I know I love how she’s like, “Have you seen the other guy?” And seeing the other guy on the defense, she seen him handsome, he’s likable. She has seen him all right. She has seen a lot of every bit of seeing everything.
Carla Gallo 25:32
She also says to you, “Lose the clunky necklace”.
Emily Deschanel 25:36
Oh, yeah. She tells me to wear blue and I wear blue.
Carla Gallo 25:40
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 25:42
I think I’m following her. I feel bad for Brennan because Brennan thinks, like, “She’s wearing blue”. She thinks she’s saying it in simple terms.
Carla Gallo 25:51
She’s like, “Change who you are”. You know, change. That’s what she’s really saying.
Emily Deschanel 25:55
Yes, but Brennan, it’s really hard for her to kind of speak in those terms. Angela and Brennan have a nice heart to heart scene in this episode where, Angela says up on the thing, because Angela says, “Can he handle your success?”.
Carla Gallo 26:12
Oh, she right, because you won the thing and you won the dinner, and you go Italian, then she’s like, “He didn’t like that”. “Did you see he didn’t like that”. And you were like, “No, we have a bit of a rivalry. No ideal, he can take it. And she goes, “No” […].
Emily Deschanel 26:28
She knew men. She said, “I know men”.
Carla Gallo 26:30
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 26:31
I think she know.
Carla Gallo 26:31
She has a lot of wisdom.
Emily Deschanel 26:32
It might be why he does that because he’s pissed.
Carla Gallo 26:35
I mean, it’s a good setup that she kind of, I feel like it was a foreshadowing, because something was gonna go alright.
Emily Deschanel 26:43
Something’s up. Don’t trust that guy and then Booth comes up in that scene and says, “How much have you been sharing with him?”.
Carla Gallo 26:52
Oh, yes.
Emily Deschanel 26:53
Because now, he’s working for the pro, not for the prosecution, for the defense.
Carla Gallo 26:56
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 26:57
And then there’s the scene with the dinner.
Carla Gallo 27:00
Yes, where he’s like, “Well, […] you’re very understanding, I have to say”. And you’re like, “Look, you can’t stay over, can’tstay anymore if you’re gonna do this”. And maybe he’s like “Well, should I order a bottle of wine or am I moving out?”
Emily Deschanel 27:16
You’re moving it tonight?
Carla Gallo 27:17
I guess it doesn’t have to be tonight […]. Listen, go have fun, Dr. Brennan.
Emily Deschanel 27:25
Then the trial the next, this all moves very quickly, by the way.
Carla Gallo 27:29
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 27:30
Well, this is the same night and then the next day is the trial? Or maybe, we don’t know the time has passed.
Carla Gallo 27:35
I mean, that would never happen. I would never go to trial, no.
Emily Deschanel 27:39
I don’t know, it might not be the next day. It’s just one of the next scenes, because there’s an FBI scene where we meet thejury consultant and then you go to the trial. Presumably time has passed, but we don’t know it. And Brennan shows up in her blue shirt.
Carla Gallo 27:58
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 27:59
She thinks she’s doing what she’s supposed to do, but she’s not really. She’s boring, the jury. She’s confusing them, talkingin ways that is not.
Carla Gallo 28:10
But, we also see, by contrast. We see Michael take the stand, and he charms them. They couldn’t be more charmed. They are eating him up with a spoon.
Emily Deschanel 28:21
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 28:22
Just love him and he is kind of denigrating you while he’s on.
Emily Deschanel 28:27
When he gets on the stand, it’s terrible.
Carla Gallo 28:29
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 28:30
He says the drug use was from prolonged, not just somebody giving it to the victim.
Carla Gallo 28:37
He’s also like, “Oh, she was my student, I was her professor”. And he says, “I’m question her”.
Emily Deschanel 28:42
Yeah, I question why she became a forensic anthropologist with these findings.
Carla Gallo 28:50
We’ll be back with more Boneheads right after this quick break. Stay tuned.
Carla Gallo 29:13
Can we jump into the meaty, emotional part of the courtroom scene where Booth, surprisingly, we don’t know what he’s told the prosecution to ask you up on the stand. We know you want to get back up on the stand because you’re not happy with how you came off and you could do better, but you get back up on the stand and it’s exactly thesame. And then we know that Booth has told the prosecution that they can ask you something, but we don’t know what it is. And then it was surprising. He’s like, “Why did you get into this?”, this is not relevant. And then he’s like, “I think it is”. What is the reason? Is it possibly because your parents went missing when you’re 15 and you never saw the case?
Emily Deschanel 30:00
Because Michael Stires brought up. He questions why I ever became a forensic anthropologist, so it is admissible. He can then ask me that. So, Brennan’s betrayed by Booth and too.
Carla Gallo 30:14
I know, the bummer. I understand why he did it. He’s trying and you even at very end, I know I’m jumping ahead, but you’re like, “I understand, I would have done the same thing”. I understand, but it was still a betrayal. But that said I really loved, actually your speech, your explanation and you’re a whole person.
Emily Deschanel 30:37
I see a face in every skull.
Carla Gallo 30:39
Yes, and you can’t break it down into these little details, pieces. It’s a whole person and it’s a story, it’s pain. All the things that person experienced. And I thought it was really lovely and well written and well performed. And then it worked on the jury.
Emily Deschanel 31:00
Yeah, it seems funny to me that this case is riding on the fact about whether Brennan can be personable and likable on thestand.
Carla Gallo 31:09
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 31:10
I have to say, I resent that. I didn’t like that as the person who played Brennan, but also like, “Why can’t she just be”, that’s also shouldn’t be about her being personable, I know it’s the jury consultant thing, which I think is a real job.
Carla Gallo 31:22
It is a real thing. It is very.
Emily Deschanel 31:25
I mean, I know it is a real job, I guess.
Carla Gallo 31:28
Yeah, how a jury perceives the person on the state witness stand and that can be detrimental if they don’t like an expertor an expert could be kind of torn apar. But I just thought it was nice. It was one of those nice moments of humanizing her and telling her story. And then it also had thedesired effect.
Emily Deschanel 31:51
But, there was a whole between the first day and the second day of the trial. There’s the scene with Dr. Adams, it’s Jonathan Adams, the character Dr. Goodman, where he informs Brennan that Michael Stires applied for Brennan’s joband didn’t get it, and Brennan was more rational scientist, I’m paraphrasing, but something like that, that’s why she got the job. So, it kind of gives her confidence. Wait a second, I’m good at this, I’m even better at this than Stiers. Then she runsinto him in the hallway again and she reminds him of when they’re in South America, I believe.
Carla Gallo 32:36
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 32:37
He gave her the advice of […] when we’re surrounded by the uncovering remains of people who had been killed by the people watching over with us right there and I asked, “Whatdo we do?” And he told me the advice of, “We tell the truth,we do not flinch”. And I say, “You flinched, Michael”.
Carla Gallo 32:58
I like that, that’s a good line. I like that you flinched.
Emily Deschanel 33:02
He’s faltered. He’s not playing the right game.
Carla Gallo 33:06
I was kind of surprised that you forgave Booth so easily.
Emily Deschanel 33:09
I know, I was surprised. Rationally, she’s like “Well, I would have done the same.
Carla Gallo 33:14
Right.
Emily Deschanel 33:14
I get that.
Carla Gallo 33:16
It’s still though, at the expense of. It’s something very personal to Brennan. I mean, to win, and I guess that probably the end of the day, she would have rather done that to make sure that these people get put away, I’m sure.
Emily Deschanel 33:33
Because it’s the right thing and she knows they’re guilty.
Carla Gallo 33:35
Right? So, even if she had to sacrifice her own privacy orexposing something about herself, she would do it. But, I was kind of shocked. I mean, he like the way, he’s sort of like, “Well, we have another case”. And you’re like, “You like right away, a smiles on your family at that point”. You haven’t even had that conversation, saying that you forgive him. Andhe’s like, “Well, we have another case”. And you’re like, “Oh, let’s go”. And I said, as I saw, I love the shot of the skull, kind of coming off of the skull. And I was like, “Hmm, is this gonna be a case that continues, is gonna carry on throughout the first season”? Because you have never in eight episodes. Well, in seven previous episodes, have you ended on a new case? You start on a new case, you’ve never ended on a new case.
Emily Deschanel 34:27
I mean, we don’t. Now, I’m giving things away maybe other people who have not seen or don’t remember, because it’s been a while. We don’t which I found that interesting, too. I agree, I don’t think we ever go back to that, but I know, stop, tell me […] .
Carla Gallo 34:47
I was sure I was on to something. Oh, really? So, it was just a device to get you guys.
Emily Deschanel 34:53
To get a full shot.
Carla Gallo 34:54
Oh, was a great shot.
Emily Deschanel 34:55
I remember shooting that […] on the Washington Monument.
Carla Gallo 35:02
No, that’s the end of the episode. Like that was not, we were not on the Washington Monument.
Emily Deschanel 35:08
Carla, you think it was really there, but we’re not actually there. We never once went to Washington D.C. for the show […].
Carla Gallo 35:17
It looked great to me. I’ve all looked good too.
Emily Deschanel 35:19
And Sandy puts favor the director, is really good. He’s good visually, he did all some fancy shots. And so I remember, I have a memory of being really late at night, on a Friday night, whereit becomes Saturday as it’s called in the biz. I remember Sandy wanting us all to stand in a row, so this shot would work. We were just so tired and I don’t know. Something was just felt unnatural, it doesn’t matter.
Carla Gallo 35:51
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 35:52
It was us looking into the fridge or something. Maybe it was ashot of us looking into the fridge and we’re like, “What? I don’t remember”, but I remember just being really tired and there would be a fridge shot and we’re like, “Really? I don’t know, can we all fit in that?” […] trying to overthink it at two in the morning. But you know, you’re exhausted being like, “Are you sure this works?”
Carla Gallo 36:12
Yeah, it works.
Emily Deschanel 36:14
Sandy did a great job. And it looks cool at the end […] I know,I want to know what happens with that.
Carla Gallo 36:19
I know, I was sure. I was like, “Oh”, because obviously I know there’s some killers, there are themes that are going to run through seasons and stalkers and such. And I thought, “Oh, this is the beginning of something good”.
Emily Deschanel 36:34
Maybe it is and I just don’t remember.
Carla Gallo 36:35
I mean, it’s probably not. I think I trust your memory. And it was probably just a device, and I really fell for it. Emily, it is time for a fan question.
Emily Deschanel 36:50
It’s almost time?
Carla Gallo 36:51
It is.
Emily Deschanel 36:52
Already?
Carla Gallo 36:52
It is.
Emily Deschanel 36:54
I’m excited.
Carla Gallo 36:54
This one, I think you’re really gonna like it. I also think the great news about this question is that it’s gonna clear up a long running debate or query from fans.
Emily Deschanel 37:09
Okay.
Carla Gallo 37:09
So, that’s why I like this one. This is from Bailey Alberto, also known as cola bookshelf. This is the question. This is more cold goss, but didn’t Emily and David be date for a bit? What’s the story there?
Emily Deschanel 37:27
Not the first person who’s thought that or asked me about that. My husband, even his friend, a family member of his friend, said, like, “Wow, I love that show Bones and they’re together, the main people there and his friends, like, “Well, actually, no, my friend is”, he’s like, “No, sorry, she’s with him” […].
Carla Gallo 37:55
I think you told me this story. Was this based on the chemistry?
Emily Deschanel 38:02
Oh yeah, they’re definitely dead, I can tell.
Carla Gallo 38:05
I can tell, that’s what I like about it.
Emily Deschanel 38:07
Because she’s so good, I can tell. No, we never date. David was also married already by the time we’re doing the show. We never dated but lots of people think I’m married to him, in real life.
Carla Gallo 38:20
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 38:20
People think I married him. My husband is also named David,so there’s a little bit of things, very different David’s. But no, we never dated. I’ve kissed him a few times on the show and that’s the only kind of contact that I have had.
Carla Gallo 38:34
Only a few kisses on the show in all those years?
Emily Deschanel 38:37
We could count them.
Carla Gallo 38:38
I know someone should.
Emily Deschanel 38:40
You know, it’s not like we kissed all the time, even when we were together, it wasn’t like we were making out all the time.
Carla Gallo 38:47
I definitely got some John Francis Daley kisses. I got some nice kisses in there.
Emily Deschanel 38:52
But did you guys really date in real life?
Carla Gallo 38:53
Oh, no!
Emily Deschanel 38:54
We can answer two questions if you want.
Carla Gallo 38:56
No, we did not. John Francis Daley and I did not date in real life, though, I’ll admit I had a little crush on him, my dad, at one point, I was like, “He’s so cute and he’s so talented”. So, I do remember a kiss where, and this happens on set. It’s happened to me before, where you’re kind of like, “Oh, I reallylike that kiss” in the script, right? And you’re the actor there. Itdoesn’t mean you don’t have real emotions and feelings.
Emily Deschanel 39:24
Yeah, enjoy it.
Carla Gallo 39:25
Yeah, that’s the true. That’s cold goss.
Emily Deschanel 39:28
That’s cold goss, but cleared it up.
Carla Gallo 39:30
Cleared it up, Bailey Alberto. Well, thanks for the question, and keep them coming. DM us on Instagram at Boneheads Pod.
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