107. A Man on Death Row
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It’s our first Epps-isode! Emily kicks us off with some cold goss about this episode’s guest stars, Heath Freeman (Howard Epps) and Rachelle Lefevre (Amy Morton). She and Carla unpack that iconic opening sequence (Booth: Reason for wanting a gun? Brennan: To shoot people), and Emily talks about what it was like filming those fun, playful scenes with David Boreanaz. Then, the duo reflects on their friendship, and Carla analyzes the difference between “Bones Emily” and “Post-Bones Emily.” And finally, did they ever use real corpses on Bones? We’ll set the record straight once and for all.
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Transcript
SPEAKERS
Carla Gallo, Emily Deschanel
Emily Deschanel 00:00
Hi.
Carla Gallo 00:00
Hi.
Emily Deschanel 00:02
How you doing?
Carla Gallo 00:04
It’s been a week.
Emily Deschanel 00:05
I know. I’ve seen you a few times, I almost got a chance to see more of you.
Carla Gallo 00:11
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 00:11
You remember that?
Carla Gallo 00:12
Wait, what do you mean? Change together.
Emily Deschanel 00:14
You change.
Carla Gallo 00:15
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 00:16
You’re like, “I’m taking off my shirt”. But hope I’m wearing a sports bra you can look, “I’m not gonna look”.
Carla Gallo 00:23
And then I said, “But I want you to look”, and then it was just got aggressive. You were like, “Well, now I’m really not gonnalook”. And I was like, “But I but I want to make you look”.
Emily Deschanel 00:44
I’m Emily Deschanel.
Carla Gallo 00:45
And I’m Carla Gallo.
Emily Deschanel 00:46
And this is Boneheads.
Carla Gallo 00:53
You know what’s so crazy? This week is so crazy. I’m just remembering now. I was like, “Why was I changing?”. That’s how long this weekend.
Emily Deschanel 01:01
I know this week has been long.
Carla Gallo 01:02
Right? We were shooting a little press thing, and I wanted to wear a different shirt and I had rushed over here in a sports bra and a t-shirt.
Emily Deschanel 01:11
Right. There’s a t-shirt over it.
Carla Gallo 01:13
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 01:14
And you just took it off and listen, all of a sudden, we were getting ready in my bathroom and all this stuff.
Carla Gallo 01:20
All sudden, the t-shirt was off.
Emily Deschanel 01:21
The shirt off.
Carla Gallo 01:22
No warning. The highlight of this week or the low light is when I was with you. I got earlier in the week, I got a phone call from the school nurse being like, “Hi, everything’s”, you know, not even everything’s okay, sorry. She didn’t say it, but she was just very upbeat, and she was like, “I’m with your lovely daughter”. And didn’t say which daughter it was. Then was like, “You should probably go pick her up and probably go urgent care”. And I was like, “I’m sorry. Wait, what?”. Because I’ve never gotten that call.
Emily Deschanel 01:53
I could hear her.
Carla Gallo 01:54
I know.
Emily Deschanel 01:55
Through the phone.
Carla Gallo 01:56
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 01:56
And I was shocked by the tone. I think she was trying to be calm.
Carla Gallo 01:59
Calm and upbeat.
Emily Deschanel 02:01
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 02:02
I should say that.
Emily Deschanel 02:02
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 02:03
In case nurse Kelsey is listening, no fault of her brain. She wastrying to stay really positive but it was too positive. And thenit turned out that Margo was on a scooter thing, but she was on her knees, I guess, and she fell forward. But anyway, the end of that story is that she ended up meeting four stitches. But you know, we’re okay.
Emily Deschanel 02:23
Were you there? You didn’t tell me if you were there.We’ve been acting and stuff, but when I saw you. Were you there for the suture?
Carla Gallo 02:30
I was, which I’ve never seen before.
Emily Deschanel 02:32
Okay, because I’ve done this three times, different times withmy kids.
Carla Gallo 02:37
Okay.
Carla Gallo 02:37
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 02:38
The first time with my older son, he was a toddler so this littlebaby face, they had to hold him in a straight jacket, and we had to hold him down. We both had to hold him down, Davidand I, and they said, “Oh, who’s better to be close?”. And bothDavid and I thought, “Me, 100%”.
Emily Deschanel 02:58
I will be the one that’s cool with any gore or whatever and it’s my own child.
Carla Gallo 03:07
Wait, what?
Emily Deschanel 03:09
I was holding down but it was my own child.
Carla Gallo 03:12
I know.
Emily Deschanel 03:13
Right up there watching them take a needle and go through, and his little face, looking on that look like I betrayed him. It’s like traveling and crying […], they always call you mom.
Carla Gallo 03:13
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 03:30
Every person in any music class for children, every year, you just become mom, and they’re like, “Mom, tell them a story”,and you’re starting to do. I was telling you, then they’re like, “Mom”, “No, mom”. And I started […] .
Carla Gallo 03:44
No, really?
Emily Deschanel 03:46
Yes. And then they said to some nurse like, “Oh, can you get a juice box or something for mom?” And it was for me. But, David and I both had the thought, “He never had. This is how young it was. He never had a juice box”. Of course, first child. Given our second child choke when the […] .
Carla Gallo 04:03
Yeah, that’s what I’m gonna say.
Emily Deschanel 04:05
Not really. But you know, were so much more careful. And so we were like, “Oh gosh, we never had juices before”.
Carla Gallo 04:13
This is for you.
Emily Deschanel 04:14
We were like, “Well, I guess in this case, we’ll give them juice”.But no, it was for me, and I had to put my head between my legs.
Carla Gallo 04:20
No.
Emily Deschanel 04:21
Yeah. No, the room was closing in.
Carla Gallo 04:24
It such a good story because of all the disgusting things you’ve done for 12 seasons.
Emily Deschanel 04:29
I know and that’s why we thought I’d be good.
Carla Gallo 04:31
You’ll be fine.
Emily Deschanel 04:31
But it’s all fake on Bones.
Carla Gallo 04:32
I know.
Emily Deschanel 04:33
It’s not your child and they’re already dead. They’re not feeling pain, it’s horrible to see your kid.
Carla Gallo 04:38
It is disgusting to watch someone get sutures but it was fascinating. That’s my week. That’s what you asked?
Emily Deschanel 04:45
There we go.
Carla Gallo 04:46
There it is. Now, you know.
Emily Deschanel 04:47
I almost saw you topless and you got a chin centered.
Carla Gallo 04:52
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 04:53
And here we are to talk about an episode of Bones.
Carla Gallo 04:55
Yeah. I mean, natural segue.
Emily Deschanel 04:56
Yeah, topless and sutures.
Carla Gallo 05:04
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 05:05
We’re here to talk about episode 107, A Man on Death Row[…]. Interesting. I feel like it’s rare and I read online that we filmed it as the fourth episode of the season of the show.
Carla Gallo 05:20
Is that true?
Emily Deschanel 05:21
But, I don’t recall that.
Carla Gallo 05:22
Well, you know what’s interesting? I know I’m jumping ahead but there’s so many references to you having shot the guy from the back.
Emily Deschanel 05:30
Yeah, I kind of forgot.
Carla Gallo 05:31
That actually makes sense if it was shot as one of four. Because I thought, “Why are we?” I was like, “Oh, are we bringing this back in for a reason?” But it probably is just thatit had happened much more recently, you shot it as four.
Emily Deschanel 05:41
And with Sid too. I felt like it was earlier […] and that makes sense. I’ll believe it.
Emily Deschanel 05:49
I don’t recall. So this episode was written by Noah Hawley, who went on to create and show run Fargo, the very incredible series for FX.
Carla Gallo 05:49
Okay.
Carla Gallo 06:06
Incredible.
Emily Deschanel 06:09
He’s one of our star graduates of the Bones program. He alsodirected and wrote that movie, Lucy in the Sky, which I did not see, because I never seen any movies since having children. He’s also written novels. I read one of his novels;After the Fall, I think it’s called or is that a play namedafter, maybe it’s before the fall.
Carla Gallo 06:30
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 06:30
We can look it up.
Carla Gallo 06:31
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 06:32
It was good book.
Carla Gallo 06:34
Oh, well. He’s very talented.
Emily Deschanel 06:35
He’s very talented writer.
Carla Gallo 06:36
Was he like a staff writer person or he just wrote like individual?
Emily Deschanel 06:40
He was on staff. I don’t know what his position exactly was, ifhe was quote/unquote staff writer.
Carla Gallo 06:45
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 06:45
I think it was one of his earlier jobs, though. So, he might have just been a staff writer, but he was very talented, clearly, as many writers on Bones have been. It was directed by David Jones, which I always think of Davy Jones. Is that monkeys?
Carla Gallo 07:02
Yes, I think so. That would have been very interesting if Davy Jones had directed this episode.
Emily Deschanel 07:09
But it wasn’t a British man.
Carla Gallo 07:12
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 07:12
Very lovely, I remember. Okay, should we do a little summaryhere?
Carla Gallo 07:16
I would say so.
Emily Deschanel 07:18
Okay, so in this episode, we meet Amy Morton, who is a defense attorney, who has some kind of history with Booths. She shows up at the FBI. They know each other […] something’s going on.
Carla Gallo 07:29
I was like, “These two, they did the scene. They’ve done it, butthey haven’t”. She’s like, “I should have jumped in when I could”.
Emily Deschanel 07:38
She wanted to.
Carla Gallo 07:39
Well, of course she did.
Emily Deschanel 07:40
And maybe he wanted to […], we got some kind of vibe.
Carla Gallo 07:43
There’s something, there’s a vibe.
Emily Deschanel 07:45
There’s a vibe, for sure. And Amy shows up, she’s at Booth’s office at the FBI and she asks him for help with her new client, Howard Epps, to prove that he is innocent. He’s scheduled to be executed in 30 hours.
Carla Gallo 08:04
And this was unique. To this episode, I liked the clock counting down during seeing it on the screen. And I just hadn’t seen that.
Emily Deschanel 08:12
I love that too.
Carla Gallo 08:14
It was an added kind of pressure that I liked.
Emily Deschanel 08:16
You know what show that I was a big fan of?
Carla Gallo 08:19
Twenty-four. Did it cut you off?
Emily Deschanel 08:21
No, I like it. I love it.
Carla Gallo 08:23
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 08:23
You know.
Carla Gallo 08:24
I just do, you like, “You know what show?”
Emily Deschanel 08:26
There’s only one show. It’s also on Fox, it’s 24, it’s like you have a heart attack.
Carla Gallo 08:31
Yeah, every episode. I love it.
Emily Deschanel 08:33
But, I love it. I love that show.
Carla Gallo 08:37
It ups attention.
Emily Deschanel 08:38
And we kind of use that device in this episode. So, Amy goes to Booth for some help.
Emily Deschanel 08:46
Right. So Booth agrees to help Amy, and he calls on the screens after hours, because they’ve got 30 hours to solve this crime before this guy.
Carla Gallo 08:46
Right. Well, she goes to him because Booth was the investigating officer on the case and he was one who arrested Epps seven years ago for the murder of April, right?
Carla Gallo 09:09
And they’ve got nothing else going.
Emily Deschanel 09:11
Or to check.
Carla Gallo 09:11
They’ve got nothing […]. They’re doing bug races.
Emily Deschanel 09:14
Yes.
Carla Gallo 09:14
But, yeah. Angela’s got on a hot date.
Emily Deschanel 09:18
And they examine the facts of the case and then they end upexhuming the victim’s body, and they find you evidence that leads them to discover a whole new crime scene where they discover several more bodies.
Carla Gallo 09:32
Right. And so essentially, Epps was tricking them.
Emily Deschanel 09:36
Yeah, he was playing innocent and tricking them into finding these new bodies which would prolong the investigation and delay his execution.
Carla Gallo 09:44
My favorite part of the episode is when Epps reaches for yourhand and then you slam it against the table and you break his wrist because you’re so badass.
Emily Deschanel 09:53
I know I’m badass. So the first thing (I feel like I should mention) is the actor who played Howard Epps.
Carla Gallo 10:07
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 10:07
His name was Heath Freeman, he has since passed away.
Carla Gallo 10:12
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 10:13
Very sadly, he was younger than me. I know that. I mean, I don’t know if I knew that at the time, but, he died a couple. I don’t know when exactly, but it was really sad. One of the things that happens when someone dies is they say, “Bones actor, he Freeman”.
Carla Gallo 10:32
That’s how he was.
Emily Deschanel 10:33
Well, some things said, […] I mean, he returns.
Carla Gallo 10:39
Oh, he did?
Emily Deschanel 10:40
He does come back. It’s not his only episode. I don’t remember if there’s more than two, but this is not his only episode.
Carla Gallo 10:46
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 10:48
But, I don’t feel like I knew him. This is a very beginning, so it’sfunny kind of thing where you’re like, “Oh, he’s a Bones actor”.
Carla Gallo 10:55
That’s right.
Emily Deschanel 10:56
That’s how they describe him, very sadly, tragically, died at 41or two or something.
Carla Gallo 11:03
So, this is more recent?
Emily Deschanel 11:04
This is recent. No, he died just a couple years ago. I also feel Ididn’t know him, because this is an interesting thing, and I hope it’s okay to mention. This is maybe something he would laugh at, at this point. When we met him, he said he was British and he’s playing a guy from Texas. He had kind of a Texas Southern accent, Southern drawl. He came onto setand there’s a lot of Brits who work on the show of Bones, by the way. David Jones, if I remember, I think he’s English, he was great. You know; Bernie who did Bernie Goff hair, Billy who did script supervising wardrobe and Lily. Later on, […] wasn’t working on the show yet, but in 2010, he was an executive producer, so there’s a lot of Brits. And he’s not actually British.
Carla Gallo 11:05
No, I was afraid on what they’re gonna say. […] with an accent.
Emily Deschanel 12:11
Oh yeah, he had an accent off camera. So what we learned later on, somebody ended up knowing somebody either like, “No, he’s from Texas, originally”. So, he should have just said he was from Texas. But, I think there’s a perception that people who are from other places get cast more. […], this is me just guessing. This is all guess and he’s not longer here, sadly, but maybe someone who knew him and knew that he did this.
Carla Gallo 12:46
He auditioned as a Brit.
Emily Deschanel 12:48
He came in with a British accent.
Carla Gallo 12:50
And then was like, “Look at this transformation”.
Emily Deschanel 12:53
“Look at my transformation”. Then he got hired and he had to keep the ruse up and he had a set full of Brits. Then I think that some point he was like, “Let me just keep the accent because I’m preparing”.
Carla Gallo 13:06
Like, he stayed in character.
Emily Deschanel 13:08
He stayed in character.
Carla Gallo 13:09
Because he realized he was in over his head.
Emily Deschanel 13:11
I think it also easier if you have a whole ruse where you have to pretend to be British. Listen, it’s really hard to be hired in this town.
Carla Gallo 13:20
It is, 100%.
Emily Deschanel 13:20
And sometimes people do all kinds of things and peoplesneak their way into auditions.
Carla Gallo 13:21
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 13:21
I never did or had to do any of that kind of sneaky, I would never feel comfortable. I think I get caught in a second, if I did anything like that.
Carla Gallo 13:27
Same.
Emily Deschanel 13:27
But I think it’s kind of a funny story, I hope he would laugh about.
Carla Gallo 13:33
Yeah, I’m sure he would.
Emily Deschanel 13:38
We totally got duped by him. I remember, all of us being like, “Wow, you do such a good accent”.
Carla Gallo 13:51
That is so risky.
Emily Deschanel 13:53
It’s risky and the Brits were convinced too.
Carla Gallo 13:58
They were?
Emily Deschanel 13:59
I’m sure he was sweating.
Carla Gallo 14:03
I’m sure […].
Emily Deschanel 14:07
No, they totally asked him where he was from and I think he said he was from, I have no idea, I can’t remember, Brighton or something. I’m throwing this out there.
Emily Deschanel 14:15
I don’t remember. But, he said he was from a particular place, I remember that. And there was this whole charade, essentially.
Carla Gallo 14:15
Right.
Carla Gallo 14:26
You know what? That’s not what I expected you to say. Of allthe things you were like, “I have some things to say, to tell you some stories”, that wasn’t what I expected. I wouldn’t have predicted that.
Emily Deschanel 14:36
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 14:36
Couldn’t have predicted that.
Emily Deschanel 14:42
It’s time for a quick break, but don’t worry, there’s more boneheads coming at you in just a bit.
Emily Deschanel 15:06
So, we can dive in. Well, this show opens with one of my favorite, I told you this before you watch.
Carla Gallo 15:12
You did.
Emily Deschanel 15:13
I only told you a couple little things; I do love this opening scene, I do love Noah Holly’s writing. By the way, side note, Noah Holly who wrote this episode, we mentioned before. Hehas a twin brother, who is also a writer for TV and showrunner and creator. He created the show “The Rookie”. And I believe, the spin offs of The Rookie. I worked with him, too.
Carla Gallo 15:16
Funny.
Emily Deschanel 15:17
I did an episode of The Rookie.
Carla Gallo 15:33
Identical twin?
Emily Deschanel 15:35
Identical twin […]. I realized later on that I met him accentand we were like, “Noah!”, and it wasn’t him. I can’t remember the details of it, but pretty incredible.
Emily Deschanel 15:50
Identical twins, Alexi. I believe Alexi Hawley, he’s very talented, obviously, as well. They had great writing on that show. I did an episode playing Nathan Fillion’s characters.
Carla Gallo 15:50
Funny.
Carla Gallo 16:04
Ex wife? Right. […] So, this opening scene you love of trying to get the gun?
Carla Gallo 16:10
It’s fun and funny. […] You know, he’s putting down the official reason why you want the gun. And you’re to shoot people.
Emily Deschanel 16:13
Its fun.
Emily Deschanel 16:14
Yeah, I had to shoot people.
Carla Gallo 16:21
Make it more official and not as sketchy. And you’re like, “No, I had to shoot people, put that down”. And then I do “He denies it”. It’s very cute.
Emily Deschanel 16:34
Yeah, that’s cute. I remember being very excited to film that scene, it didn’t require extra acting in any way. It was just really fun words to say.
Carla Gallo 16:46
Analyzing and figuring out. It’s just an actual interpersonal,two actors getting to play with each other, kind of a thing.
Emily Deschanel 16:52
It was a little bit of a departure.
Carla Gallo 16:53
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 16:53
What we done so far, it was fun.
Carla Gallo 16:55
It’s playful.
Emily Deschanel 16:55
Playful is the perfect word to describe. Then we meet Amy Morton and Rachelle Lefevre. This is a story about Rachelle Lefevre, so she went on to be on Twilight movies and stuff.
Carla Gallo 16:56
Yeah, I think so.
Emily Deschanel 16:57
She had a whole career after this as well. Her hair is very enviable.
Emily Deschanel 17:16
I love that, I wish I had hair like that […] .
Carla Gallo 17:16
Yes.
Carla Gallo 17:27
Detract from your acting because I mean, eventually I was able to overcome my distraction. But I just was like, “Oh my god, that’s the most gorgeous, rare, gorgeous”. I know it’s realbecause I’ve seen it throughout her career.
Emily Deschanel 17:44
Not a wig.
Carla Gallo 17:45
I think if I wasn’t familiar with her, I’d be like, “Oh, it’sextensions, but not here”.
Emily Deschanel 17:52
That hair is too blessed.
Carla Gallo 17:55
She’s hair forward.
Emily Deschanel 17:57
Yes.
Carla Gallo 17:58
In her acting style, his hair forward.
Emily Deschanel 18:02
Well, I don’t think you can help it when you got hair like that, you’re just going to be looking at the hair, you can’t help it.
Carla Gallo 18:08
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 18:08
She actually gave me a book at the end of the episode and wrote a sweet note saying, “Hey, let’s be friends”. And then I remember being like, “That would be great”, but I have no time. I meant to always reach out. Then I was so swampedand then years later, I was like, “Well, now it’s too late for me to reach out”.
Carla Gallo 18:26
You missed the boat.
Emily Deschanel 18:27
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 18:27
And your friendship with her.
Emily Deschanel 18:28
My friendship, two ships passing the night. But I did enjoy hervery much.
Carla Gallo 18:33
That’s nice that she gave you the book.
Emily Deschanel 18:34
And she wanted to be friends.
Carla Gallo 18:35
Very sweet, that’s nice.
Emily Deschanel 18:36
Occasionally that would happen where people, not necessarily that, but somebody would give a little.
Carla Gallo 18:44
Something nice?
Emily Deschanel 18:45
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 18:45
I never did that as a guest.
Emily Deschanel 18:47
No, I’ve never done that.
Carla Gallo 18:48
I’ve never done that […]. On movies and stuff like that. Well known fact, I think, it’s very hard to stay in touch. You know, in terms of you see casts that are like, “We were so close”, and then they’re like, “We didn’t stay in touch”, it’s just hard. It’s hard. Everyone moves on to a different project and it’s hard.
Emily Deschanel 19:13
This was such a great situation. I mean, this was great that we were in Los Angeles for 12 years. So, the main recurring cast, we could become friends.
Carla Gallo 19:25
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 19:26
And continue to be friends. But even with that, the schedule […].
Carla Gallo 19:33
Right.
Emily Deschanel 19:33
Especially at the beginning, but then I had kids after that, and so the schedule might not have been as grueling. Necessarily, within the children on top of the schedule. So it’s it’s always challenging, so that’s why. But I really enjoyed Rachelle and I thought she was great and I’m jealous of her hair.
Carla Gallo 19:41
On the friendship tip. I don’t know if I said this before on the podcast, but you and I (I’ve said this to other people). You and I became much better friends after it wrapped.
Carla Gallo 20:01
Not that we weren’t, we were friends. But, we didn’t hangout.
Emily Deschanel 20:01
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 20:07
Maybe good friends.
Carla Gallo 20:08
But, we didn’t hang out social, you had zero.
Emily Deschanel 20:09
Yeah, I had no life.
Carla Gallo 20:12
Yeah, you had no life. And so you were always good at being like, “Oh, what’s going on with?. I remember you had this thing.” You were always good with that. But then afterwards, I just remember being kind of impressed, because I think then, the real you, had room. You had the mental energy. You reached out a lot and checked in and then we started to see each other outside socially. And it was like, “Oh, my god, I kind of met a whole new Emily, in a way.
Emily Deschanel 20:43
We’d love to. We could really dive into what the differencesbetween those two Emily’s?
Carla Gallo 20:48
One of them was just real busy and the other one was much less busy, much much more available. That was actually the main difference.
Emily Deschanel 20:56
Well, that makes sense.
Carla Gallo 20:57
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 20:58
That makes complete sense.
Carla Gallo 20:59
I couldn’t believe how many times the words pubic hair were said in the episode. I clocked it immediately, because she says it right away, like “There was this pubic hair” and it was all hanging on that pubic hair. In the beginning, it’s all pardon but it’s hanging on a pubic hair.
Emily Deschanel 21:19
The pubic hair was the lynch catalyst.
Emily Deschanel 21:25
For any kind of possibility of opening up the case. I did feel uncomfortable about the pubic hair found too. I mean, the pubic hair discussion […].
Carla Gallo 21:26
Is there some found underwear?
Carla Gallo 21:26
It was.
Emily Deschanel 21:39
Yes, the guy of the lawyer who slept with the Godfather,gross.
Carla Gallo 21:43
Very gross and it’s his pubic hair, obviously.
Emily Deschanel 21:48
Yeah, and his underwear where they searched his home. Then, Zach and Hodgins do Rochambeau to see who has to do. And I did notice the person who lost had to the pubic hair. And I was wondering, does the person who wins get to lookat the pubic hair?
Carla Gallo 22:06
That’s a valid, yeah.
Emily Deschanel 22:07
I was glad to see that it was a person who lost, but there wasa lot of pubic hair talk.
Carla Gallo 22:11
Yeah, there’s a lot.
Emily Deschanel 22:12
Not my favorite topic.
Carla Gallo 22:14
It came up so many times.
Emily Deschanel 22:15
You didn’t count it?
Carla Gallo 22:16
I didn’t, maybe that’s a good thing […] .
Emily Deschanel 22:18
By the time you realize it’s repeated so many times, you don’tknow how many times it’s already […] .
Carla Gallo 22:22
True, but I will say it just caught my ear right away.
Emily Deschanel 22:24
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 22:25
She said it very straight as you have to, you’re not gonna laugh when you say that. But to me, it was like, “Oh, okay, all right, so that’s gonna be all on this […]”.
Emily Deschanel 22:39
We find out there’s been two trials that convicted him and she appeals to his sense of justice, saying, “When have you looked Howard EPP’s in the eye? You were responsible?” She says, “You’re responsible, you better be sure that he’s the one”. But, Booth is pretty convinced that Howard Epps is the killer and then he looks at pictures of Howard. I was wondering if those are old pictures of Heath Friedman, they look like old pictures of Heath Friedman.
Carla Gallo 23:08
I missed this completely. I don’t know if I was writing something on my computer. This is the problem with this show.
Carla Gallo 23:15
Is that you miss it? You look away for a second and you miss a very important detail.
Emily Deschanel 23:15
No.
Emily Deschanel 23:22
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 23:23
Which is why she wants everything.
Emily Deschanel 23:24
She also appeals to him saying, “You’re smarter than you were seven years ago”.
Carla Gallo 23:28
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 23:29
And “You’re less angry than you were seven years ago”. So little glimpse into Booth from a while back. So, this case is seven years old, and then Booth goes to visit Howard Epps prison.
Carla Gallo 23:43
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 23:44
And he’s claiming he’s innocent.
Carla Gallo 23:47
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 23:47
He’s always being like, “I’m a victim”.
Carla Gallo 23:50
Yeah […] . It’s a great twist. And this time pressure, I think the natural trajectory is the expectation that this guy is gonna beinnocent and we’re gonna prove his innocence. Then to go through all this anxiety, the time clock that’s ticking away to find out he is not only guilty, he is a far worse criminal than we knew, what a shock for me.
Emily Deschanel 24:23
Serial killer.
Emily Deschanel 24:24
It’s probably a sociopath, right? Or psychopath.
Carla Gallo 24:24
Serial killer. I was shock and I appreciated it because I think that I had picked up on some acting choices of his, where I was like, “I don’t know if I believe you”. Like, I did pick up on that. I was like, “I don’t know this guy doesn’t feel like he was laying it on thick, his innocence”. Later, appreciated itbecause I was like, “Oh, he was laying it on thick too”.
Carla Gallo 24:29
Right. And so then I was like, “Okay”, then I appreciated the choice of laying it on thick versus if your character is just innocent but you lay it on thick, I don’t appreciate that. But at the end, I appreciate it like, “Oh, you’re working hard to convince everyone of your innocence, because you’re a serialkiller”.
Emily Deschanel 25:15
We’ll be back with more Boneheads right after this quick break.
Emily Deschanel 25:39
Angela is on a date and she’s like, “I’m going to have sex withTroy”, and she’s invited Brennan too, but Brennan […] .
Carla Gallo 25:48
Yes, Troy call a friend but she’s deep in it. And then she brings Troy to the lab which is very unusual.
Emily Deschanel 25:55
Called back and eventually he calls all of us freaks.
Carla Gallo 25:59
Well, let me tell you something, I didn’t like Troy from the Jump.
Emily Deschanel 26:02
No.
Carla Gallo 26:04
Didn’t like him. I felt like he seemed either look a little lackingin intelligence or confused. The whole time he had a look in his face, and I was like, “Oh, are we playing that?” He’s a cute,dumb guy. Is that the thing? But then, felt not. I didn’t feel bad at all for thinking that he seemed.
Emily Deschanel 26:22
He seemed a little bastard, yeah […] .
Carla Gallo 26:25
She says, “Well, it’s really hard to convey what this job is online”. And then I like that she had met him online, she enjoyed that little detail.
Emily Deschanel 26:34
It existed back into the […] .
Emily Deschanel 26:36
I mean, I don’t know, I’m sure you told me that before. It doesn’t surprise me, I know you had a rich dating life.
Carla Gallo 26:36
It did, it made me think back on my own. I doubt in a little online dating. Do you know that?
Carla Gallo 26:53
As we’ve said before, I loved coming in […] .
Emily Deschanel 26:55
I’d be love hearing the stories.
Carla Gallo 26:57
Like, “Where are you at?” Like, “Who are you? What are you? Who you dating?” Because I always had. That period of being there was like post a big relationship. If anyone’s following me online. From my early 30s to my early 40s was the span of me being on that show and a single lady of thoseyears, “Why wouldn’t I be out there?”.
Emily Deschanel 27:26
Of course.
Carla Gallo 27:28
Taste testing.
Emily Deschanel 27:30
See what’s out there.
Carla Gallo 27:36
During that period, I’m sure I would have told you guys, I went on match.com.
Emily Deschanel 27:43
How did you describe yourself? Did people ever recognize you some things too?
Carla Gallo 27:48
Yes, they did.
Emily Deschanel 27:48
I know of other actors who get recognized and I get texts from friends being like, “Is that, Carla?”.
Carla Gallo 27:53
Yeah. But now, that’s more common place because there’s Raya […] and it’s normal. I think it’s really accepted and back then, it kind of, which is why I’m kind of surprised that Angelawas on there. It kind of, at the time, had the stigma of like, “Oh, you can’t meet someone in real life, you can’t seem to meet someone”. So, you are reduced to going online to search for people.
Emily Deschanel 28:21
I think, certainly before that, I remember meeting. I mean, I knew people who’d met early 2000s and they had one story about how they met, that wasn’t how they met on online dating.
Carla Gallo 28:33
Yes […] .
Emily Deschanel 28:34
But, they would have a different story.
Carla Gallo 28:35
You couldn’t see, not you couldn’t say it, but it was definitely there was a stigma.
Carla Gallo 28:40
Yeah, but I don’t remember what my description was. I think Ialways tried to be a bit honest not braggy. Certainly never saw what I did for a living or anything. I think I actually only went on two dates.
Emily Deschanel 28:40
People would judge.
Emily Deschanel 28:57
You really talked a big game and then, two days?
Carla Gallo 28:59
No, there’s a reason. So, I’m gonna tell you why, I went on one date with this guy and he was fine, whatever. And then, we went to Pinkberry, I think at the grove or something or some Hall. Then we were sitting there with our Pinkberry and he was like, “I know who you are” and I was like, “Oh my god”.I was mortified. I don’t know, I guess I thought that I could get away with it. I also didn’t have some big career.
Emily Deschanel 29:24
Everybody knows every actor, not everyone’s seen everything people in.
Carla Gallo 29:29
Right? […] . Then I was like, “Oh no” because, of course, I didn’t want to go on. It’s ironic, because my husband did recognize me and we were at a party together. He had seen burning love and I like to tell the story that he’s a fan.
Emily Deschanel 29:46
Yeah and that’s fan first.
Carla Gallo 29:48
My husband was a fan first.
Emily Deschanel 29:50
This is my fan, my husband.
Carla Gallo 29:52
Yeah, no. So, this guy recognized me I’m like, “Oh god”. Then Ithink he was a writer, he was an actor that makes it disaster. You’re here for the wrong reason.
Carla Gallo 30:01
Valid?
Emily Deschanel 30:01
I guess that could go one or two ways. Listen, does Brad Pitt go on a date with anyone who doesn’t know who he is?
Emily Deschanel 30:02
Is it bad if someone’s like, “I know you are Brad Pitt”.
Carla Gallo 30:16
But, I’m not Brad Pitt.
Emily Deschanel 30:17
Yeah, but people are never gonna know who you are. Some people are, does that have to be counted against them?
Carla Gallo 30:24
I didn’t want him to drawn in by my life.
Emily Deschanel 30:29
Excited to me because of your work.
Carla Gallo 30:32
Don’t want to date me, […] Right? So, the next date I went on,someone reached out to me and he was a firefighter.
Emily Deschanel 30:44
I knew about the firefighter.
Carla Gallo 30:45
And I was like, “Oh, yeah” which by the way, role reversal. I’m interested in you because you’re a firefighter. So not fair that I wouldn’t accept the guy who was interested in me because Iwas a working actress.
Carla Gallo 30:55
Yeah, I didn’t know.
Emily Deschanel 30:55
It’s not like you’re a fan.
Emily Deschanel 30:55
That’s not cool. But, it’s different that you don’t know him from his firefighter calendar that he plays for.
Carla Gallo 30:56
No, I wasn’t a fan. I was interested what he did for a living.
Emily Deschanel 31:05
Right.
Carla Gallo 31:06
I was intrigued and went on a date. We dated for a year.
Emily Deschanel 31:10
Yeah, I remember.
Carla Gallo 31:11
You’re talking about it all the time.
Carla Gallo 31:11
So, that’s why I was not on that site anymore, because insecond date was like, “Yeah, let’s do this”. We were an odd match, for sure. I mean, very different people. But let me tell you, I literally told and people probably judge me for this. My older daughter’s almost nine and the other day I actually toldher. I was like, “You know, I had a boyfriend who is a fireman”. And she was like, “Yeah, I know” or something.
Carla Gallo 31:13
Then she was like, “Did you ever ride on the fire engine?” I said, “Yeah, I did. They let me went to the firehouse” and theysaid, “You can put on the gear”.
Carla Gallo 31:49
“Put a hat on the whole thing”, because they didn’t want people to know that a civilian was on the […]. The people in the firehouse getting fans of mine. They had watched, I think he had them watch one of them. Get him to the OR, maybe that hadn’t happened at the time. No, that that was happening at that time. I think I was dating him when I shot, get him to scream. Maybe super bad or something like that. So the firemen, I think, were fans. They let me ride on theand it was phenomenal, it was fantastic.
Emily Deschanel 31:50
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 32:08
Do you go?
Carla Gallo 32:22
We went on a call.
Emily Deschanel 32:23
You went on a call? […] They probably get in trouble […].
Carla Gallo 32:29
I just loved all of it.
Emily Deschanel 32:31
They put you to work with someone like, “Why are you standing there?
Emily Deschanel 32:34
His love that firehouse, too.
Carla Gallo 32:34
No? But, I just feel like I’m a child […] to ride on it at a car. Wewent it, we got on the truck. I mean, I just all of it […] .
Carla Gallo 32:49
I got to see the kitchen, the whole. I just loved it.
Emily Deschanel 32:52
It’s so impressive. In all people who do something like that,where they put their lives in danger to help save other peopleand that they don’t even know. Obviously, it’s very heroic andso impressive. I’ve been on a fire truck because I’ve got kidsand I babysat for kids who live behind a fire station. So, we went and they’re also sweet. I feel like firefighters are always so sweet when you bring a kid by us.
Carla Gallo 33:24
All they are there for is to help.
Emily Deschanel 33:26
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 33:26
That’s why they’re so well liked because they’re neverarresting someone or saying someone did something wrong. They are literally just there to help in any shot. You got hurt, there because he was also a paramedic.
Emily Deschanel 33:38
Yeah, a lot of them are, good for an emergency. Did you ever get in an emergency with him?
Carla Gallo 33:44
No, I wish. No emergencies […] .
Emily Deschanel 33:51
It was helpful. I’m not gonna get into it. But, there was an emergency at a party once, and there was somebody who was an EMT or paramedic, I didn’t know, but they were there at the party, and he was so calm.
Carla Gallo 34:03
[…] I remember being at a party and the only thing he did. I think that some people were doing drugs at that party and I think it was a party trick, he was like, “I’m gonna check your pupil”. He just did a party trick, this friend that I’d gone to high school with really like the cocaine. And I remember I brought him to that party and he was like, “I can tell if you if you’re on drugs right now”, she said that. And she was like, “Do it to me” and he did. He checked her and he was like, “Yeah, you have done cocaine”, he knew.
Emily Deschanel 34:42
How did he knew it was cocaine rather than neither drug thatwould like increase your pupils?
Carla Gallo 34:47
Because I had told him that. But, I think he could. He looked at and he knew. Not to say that’s such a skill, but it was his party trick. He could look at her pupils and know if she was drugs. I don’t roll with that, I’ve never done any of that stuff. Never done any of it, for real. I know it sounds like I’m saying that I have, but I actually have never done.
Emily Deschanel 35:07
Never done any drug.
Carla Gallo 35:08
I smoked pot once.
Emily Deschanel 35:09
What? you smoked pot?
Carla Gallo 35:13
I guess I haven’t told. I may not told you the story that I had to be high on Carnival and so I was like, “If I’m gonna get high, I’m obviously gonna get high with Seth Rogen and Jay Barrow, all my buddies and I had a phenomenal time, I had agreat time and then I never went back.
Emily Deschanel 35:33
You did it again?
Carla Gallo 35:33
No, I think I still had that thing like, “Don’t drugs”.
Emily Deschanel 35:37
Yeah, but coming back to this episode.
Emily Deschanel 35:39
I mean, if you had a lot of good drug stories, you have one good drug story.
Carla Gallo 35:39
Wait a second, you actually want to talk about the episode and not my match.com and my limited drug use?
Carla Gallo 35:52
That’s the beginning of the middle and the end of it. That’s all I’ve got.
Emily Deschanel 35:55
Well, maybe we’ll hear more in the next episode or two aboutyour drug experience, but we have a lotto say about this episode.
Carla Gallo 36:04
We have a lot to say.
Emily Deschanel 36:05
Angela goes on a date, she takes this guy, Troy, then she comes back with him. Zach and Hodgins are racing Beatles. So they don’t have what’s going on.
Carla Gallo 36:16
So, they’re able to stay for the weekend to work on this case with you, guys. Another thing I enjoyed was the judge whose robe is always open.
Emily Deschanel 36:26
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 36:27
I thought that was a funny choice.
Emily Deschanel 36:28
Yes.
Carla Gallo 36:29
And I’m sure that friend thought it was very funny. You said, “Well, you tie your robe” and you said, “It’s one in the morning, deal with it”.
Emily Deschanel 36:34
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 36:35
Deal with it, deal with my body.
Emily Deschanel 36:36
Deal with it, fair enough.
Carla Gallo 36:39
But then, may I guess the next morning and it’s not one in themorning the robes still open.
Emily Deschanel 36:45
The robe is still but, he’s been up all night, probably.
Carla Gallo 36:48
I don’t know about that, you’ve been up all night.
Emily Deschanel 36:50
I’ve been up all night.
Carla Gallo 36:51
He just like, “No”.
Emily Deschanel 36:52
He was interrupted […]. He wears robes wherever he is.
Carla Gallo 36:58
Oh! He’s a judge.
Emily Deschanel 37:00
Work a judge.
Carla Gallo 37:01
Judge who loves the robe.
Emily Deschanel 37:03
One thing I liked about this episode was the numerical thing, where we thought it was a phone number.
Carla Gallo 37:07
Yeah, that was clever.
Emily Deschanel 37:08
And then it’s really a time.
Carla Gallo 37:10
A meaning time.
Emily Deschanel 37:11
I mean, when you think about it, really someone write that exactly. But it doesn’t matter, because it’s cool.
Carla Gallo 37:17
And so who wrote it? Now we’re kind of analyzing it’s her godfather […] .
Emily Deschanel 37:21
Yeah, so gross. She went and met with him, and she had sex with him. It was her first time.
Carla Gallo 37:26
It was her first time, seriously?
Emily Deschanel 37:27
First of all, 17 years old. I know what the ages for consent at that. But statutory rape, essentially, and what a piece of poop that guy is.
Carla Gallo 37:39
I know, first time in the […] .
Emily Deschanel 37:44
So gross. It ends up that she was going to meet him and she wrote this numerical code. Maybe she wrote that too, so her parents didn’t know what she was doing.
Carla Gallo 37:55
Yeah, I think so. I think we know it was sort of written in code,because she has to hide who she’s going to meet.
Emily Deschanel 38:03
And then we find gravel in a shot. We find a shard of bone that wasn’t found before.
Carla Gallo 38:09
Yeah, well, you know, she was killed at a different location. Wait, can I ask you a question? This is one of those I’ve missed where you have to watch it a couple times. So, how did he get? How was he arrested in the first plate? What indicated that it was him? If he had done all this stuff to try to drag her, to bring her back to hope that it looked like it was the godfather?
Carla Gallo 38:09
Amazing question, I don’t think that’s brought up at all.
Carla Gallo 38:15
Why was he arrested?
Emily Deschanel 38:21
I don’t know the answer to that and I would love to hear.
Carla Gallo 38:44
Just realizing, I’m not a serial killer profiler. But, you know, usually you would think I’m gonna be by the end of this, I think an expert for sure. Because, most of them, you would think he has this burial area with all these other bodies.
Emily Deschanel 39:02
And they haven’t been found yet.
Emily Deschanel 39:03
He wants in this case to point to the other guy but, it didn’t.
Carla Gallo 39:03
They haven’t been found. So you would think he would want to bury her there, because you see these habitual sort ofrepeat behaviors. You would think he’d be like, “Oh, I want her to be in my burial spot”. But instead, he actually dragged.
Carla Gallo 39:19
The meeting spot, actually, now that I’m thinking about it, he’s right because we find that Zach goes to take pictures, where it’s the parking spot which was the meeting spot with the Godfather, to make it look like the godfather. But, then no one even caught the godfather.
Emily Deschanel 39:33
I know.
Carla Gallo 39:33
Until you found that pube.
Emily Deschanel 39:34
They didn’t have Brennan working on it. Not just we found that, but the pube was.
Carla Gallo 39:42
I’m saying that on purpose, on pube […] .
Emily Deschanel 39:44
That was already evidence that they did no lawyer. No judge had allowed as evidence in the trial.
Carla Gallo 39:50
That there is somebody else to look at. That’s what it is.
Emily Deschanel 39:53
Yes, and that army probably should have been seen as evidence in a no judge.
Emily Deschanel 39:58
At the same time, we know now who’s the killer and it doesn’tmatter.
Carla Gallo 39:58
Yes.
Carla Gallo 40:05
I was originally caught.
Emily Deschanel 40:06
But the guy who had sex with a 17 year old should go to jail for something.
Carla Gallo 40:11
I know, right? No one talks about that.
Emily Deschanel 40:13
No one talks about that.
Carla Gallo 40:14
I did talk. I made a note about how you really you. I mean, I have not seen a team work under such time pressure, as when you all go out to that marsh and you have one hour, 11 minutes and 11 seconds, to be specific. And the speed.
Emily Deschanel 40:35
With which? The tire iron.
Carla Gallo 40:37
Tire iron sound, was incredibly impressive. And then on top ofthat, the digging, even though you’re digging such little amounts of dirt and then brushing with a little paint brush or something. Then cut to you all have found a bunch of bodies.And I was like, “How much time has elapsed here?”.
Emily Deschanel 40:57
There’s a few things I want to say about that. One is, I like thefact that Brennan is like, “I need a shovel” […] and then she’s digging, meaning me, Brennan is digging. And then Booth isn’t dig. She calls him on it, and he’s like, “I’m not gonna dig. It’s a $1,200 suit”. First of all, how does he afford such a suit? Maybe he’s got one suit. Maybe that’s the only he believes in spending money on suits.
Carla Gallo 41:25
I don’t buy it, he has more suits.
Emily Deschanel 41:27
He’s got to have more than one, we should analyze. Boothsuits always look the same to me.
Carla Gallo 41:31
I know.
Emily Deschanel 41:32
But, we should take a look at that. But I’m sure that David wore more multiple suits and they were probably very expensive.
Carla Gallo 41:40
Booth is not a one suit guy.
Emily Deschanel 41:41
No, but I would expect them to look nice. He always looks good […].
Carla Gallo 41:45
Rent controlled apartment and he’s really saving money on rent, and so he’s putting that into suits.
Emily Deschanel 41:50
Yeah. I mean, he’s employed by the FBI, you can’t make a tonof money.
Carla Gallo 41:53
That’s, I know. […] You think he has a side hustle?
Emily Deschanel 41:57
He’s got a side hustle.
Carla Gallo 41:58
Oh, interesting.
Emily Deschanel 41:59
Yes, I don’t know. Like, I’ve heard of him.
Emily Deschanel 41:59
I don’t know but so there was that. And then, Brennan gettinghim to dig the hole and I thought of there was a comedy special. Do you know this comedian, Nate Bargatze?
Emily Deschanel 42:02
I like him, he’s funny to me. He had a whole thing about, he had to dig a hole in his mom’s yard or his parents yard or something to make a koi pond. And he was like, “You don’t realize how hard it is to dig a hole”.
Carla Gallo 42:33
It’s really hard.
Emily Deschanel 42:34
It is the hardest thing he’s ever done in his life. He’s like, “People digging”. He’s like, “That’s why there’s so many people found in shallow grass”. You give up because I can’t do it anymore.
Emily Deschanel 42:49
The more expensive when they’re big.
Carla Gallo 42:49
A hundred percent, I know that because I really like to garden and so I forever am buying these large bushes type things, not tiny plants, like I’m an idiot and I buy bigger ones.
Carla Gallo 43:03
They are but, you just see a beautiful plant. It’s very good to see that they are blooming.
Emily Deschanel 43:10
The big trees are […].
Carla Gallo 43:12
I don’t go. No, I mean, I’m not that crazy. And then, for some reason, I feel that I need to plant it myself. Even though I have a gardener in Los Angeles, it’s very difficult. I actually tried not to have a gardener when I first bought my place that was in West LA. I tried, and it turned out it was completely out of control. What they do, even though you think, “Oh, maybe there’s trimming the grass” and I didn’t have big yard […] .
Emily Deschanel 43:40
We’ve all seen the yards that are not catches.
Carla Gallo 43:42
What was happening and I was working at it. But so anyway,I have a gardener and you often in L.A. When you do have agardener, you can just, if you have a plant, you sort of place it where you’d like them to plant it and there’s some part of me that doesn’t feel right about that. I feel like “This is my garden”, I think I am the gardener of that garden.
Emily Deschanel 44:06
Sure.
Carla Gallo 44:07
And so, what I usually do is I try to dig the hole. It gets very narrow (becomes a triangle) because it starts great, and you have to do a very big hole to put the plant in. And then as I go down, I lose my strength and it ends up a triangle. And then, I end up jamming the plant into the hole, or I don’t plant the plant at all and it dies in the container.
Emily Deschanel 44:35
I’ve done that before.
Carla Gallo 44:35
That’s my main move right now.
Emily Deschanel 44:38
The zoom body is super gross thing.
Carla Gallo 44:41
Well, because they added so much green.
Emily Deschanel 44:42
And it would have smelled really bad.
Carla Gallo 44:44
Oh, that’s true.
Emily Deschanel 44:45
I remember, I think Donna.
Carla Gallo 44:48
What is Donna’s name?
Emily Deschanel 44:49
Donna Klein.
Carla Gallo 44:50
Donna Klein.
Emily Deschanel 44:51
Who is our forensic consultant. I think she said this would smell really bad. But then I was like, “But if we’re playing it, it’s not scripted, I can’t”. I’m also used to dead bodies. So, we’d be a whole thing added on to the scene. And so we didn’t do that, but it would have smelled really bad in real life.
Carla Gallo 45:05
Seven years old. Would it still smell bad?
Emily Deschanel 45:12
Yeah, it was a lot of coffin […] .
Carla Gallo 45:15
It had all that green on it.
Emily Deschanel 45:17
I would imagine it, it would smell really bad.
Carla Gallo 45:20
Seven years later?
Emily Deschanel 45:22
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 45:23
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 45:23
It was just like in dirt without the office.
Carla Gallo 45:28
Maybe there’s embalming or something. They do put something in there, no, right? Maybe there’s some conservative type thing.
Emily Deschanel 45:35
Okay, poor thing.
Carla Gallo 45:36
I know.
Emily Deschanel 45:42
So I read this online as well, but I did remember this, which we did film the prison scenes in a decommissioned women’s prison.
Carla Gallo 45:48
So creepy.
Emily Deschanel 45:53
It’s always creepy. The hospitals are the […] .
Carla Gallo 45:56
Yeah […] .
Emily Deschanel 45:57
I think the prisons are creepy too.
Carla Gallo 45:58
But, the hospitals are very creepy.
Emily Deschanel 46:00
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 46:03
Isn’t it funny? That’s always funny to me that I’m just sitting here, no one’s using it. There’s a whole prison.
Emily Deschanel 46:08
Our whole hospital, who’s not getting the health care they need.
Carla Gallo 46:12
I know […] .
Emily Deschanel 46:13
We can get to some fan questions.
Carla Gallo 46:17
That’s actually what I’m thinking.
Emily Deschanel 46:18
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 46:19
I think it’s the exact right place for it. I’m gonna go into the vault of the Boneheads pod Instagram and fish out a question.
Emily Deschanel 46:33
Okay, go for it.
Carla Gallo 46:34
Okay, this question is so fantastic. I am obsessed with this question.
Emily Deschanel 46:40
Okay.
Carla Gallo 46:40
It is from Jennifer Necht and she writes, “I had a friend who was in the industry and they had their Christmas party at thefox lot”.
Emily Deschanel 46:50
Okay?
Carla Gallo 46:51
“They actually got to see the lab set right before it was goingto be torn down. They were told that the show actually used real corpses that were donated to science for the show. Is that actually true?” I mean, that is the best question.
Emily Deschanel 47:08
That’s the amazing question. I love the detail of it and the one connection. This was like 2016 that this person went to a holiday party because we finished filming 2016 before the holidays and the show aired into 2017, but it got destroyed, obviously, we destroyed it. We destroyed it, and then it got destroyed even more afterwards.
Carla Gallo 47:31
But, who was telling her friend, who was giving them this information?
Emily Deschanel 47:34
No, we did not use actual corpses or human bones, that would be creepy.
Emily Deschanel 47:41
Specifically for the show, Bones.
Carla Gallo 47:41
Although, could you imagine, how you can say on your license, if you would like to donate your body to science and if there’s a question.
Carla Gallo 47:42
Would you like to donate your body to the show Bones?
Emily Deschanel 47:53
We should have done that.
Carla Gallo 47:54
I think some people would love to talk about that.
Emily Deschanel 47:57
I don’t know. I would feel uncomfortable at that, personally.
Carla Gallo 48:01
It’s a nice way if you want your body to go.
Emily Deschanel 48:03
If you love bones, you could donate your body.
Carla Gallo 48:07
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 48:07
To be on the show. I love it. We didn’t know that program, wedidn’t think of it because Carla wasn’t there, but you were there eventually. But, we already have established how we are doing the bones. No, they were not real. They might havebeen made out of casts of actual bones and so maybe that’s where the person got confused or something. That would also be very expensive, I think it’s expensive.
Carla Gallo 48:33
Conservation of the bodies would be wild.
Emily Deschanel 48:35
Well, they’d have to be just bones and then we’d put the cellulose or whatever.
Carla Gallo 48:39
They were told that they were real corpses.
Emily Deschanel 48:42
But I assumed it’s taken down the bone, I don’t know.
Carla Gallo 48:44
I don’t know.
Emily Deschanel 48:45
Regardless.
Carla Gallo 48:45
Also, I have to know who was telling people that.
Emily Deschanel 48:48
I know.
Carla Gallo 48:49
That’s such a dive I want. Who is going around?
Emily Deschanel 48:53
What kind of lies were being told about us?
Carla Gallo 48:56
I know.
Emily Deschanel 48:56
I’ve heard some lies that have been told and we’ll get to those with other fan questions or just in our conversations. But there’s definitely lies told and sometimes they’re just benign. Sometimes people just thought that was fun to tell ormaybe people are misinformed or misheard something, and then they tell the wrong information. But no, there were no actual bones or corpses of actual human beings on the show.
Carla Gallo 49:04
Unfortunately.
Emily Deschanel 49:05
According to Carla, that’s unfortunate. Thank you so much for the question. Who was it that sent it?
Carla Gallo 49:28
It was Jennifer Necht.
Emily Deschanel 49:30
Jennifer Necht. Thank you, Jennifer. And if you want to send in a question, please DM us on our Instagram handle at boneheads pod.
Carla Gallo 49:40
I know I might sounding like I’m saying it too often. I think wedid, I think we did a great job.
Emily Deschanel 49:51
You know, it’s gonna really stand out when you don’t say it.
Carla Gallo 49:54
I know. Now, I’m worried about that. But, I do think you did a great job and part of that is because I really love talking about my dating his tory.
Carla Gallo 50:08
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