109. The Man in the Fallout Shelter
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We don’t like to play favorites, but for this episode, we’ll make an exception. That’s right – today we’re talking about the beloved Bones Christmas episode, The Man in the Fallout Shelter. Emily and Carla share some cold goss about which Bones cast member would be most likely to spread a deadly fungus to their coworkers in real life. Then, they unpack Brennan’s emotional present-opening scene, and reveal a famous incorrect line in the episode that never got fixed. But first, Emily channels her inner Temperance Brennan to help identify some bone fragments in a friend’s back yard.
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SPEAKERS
Carla Gallo, Emily Deschanel
Emily Deschanel 00:00
Hi.
Carla Gallo 00:00
Hello.
Emily Deschanel 00:02
Good to see you.
Carla Gallo 00:03
It’s good to see you, too.
Emily Deschanel 00:05
We’re, gonna talk about.
Carla Gallo 00:07
Well, I hate to play favorites.
Emily Deschanel 00:09
Well, we have a favorite.
Carla Gallo 00:10
But, sometimes you have a favorite.
Emily Deschanel 00:12
We realize that we have a favorite.
Carla Gallo 00:14
For now, for this season.
Emily Deschanel 00:17
So far.
Carla Gallo 00:17
So far and this is it. This is the favorite.
Emily Deschanel 00:32
Hi, I’m Emily Deschanel.
Carla Gallo 00:33
And I’m Carla Gallo.
Emily Deschanel 00:35
And this is Boneheads. So, before we jump into this episode which is episode 109; The Man in the Fallout Shelter, I have a story for you.
Carla Gallo 00:48
You know that I love a story.
Emily Deschanel 00:52
So, it’s something bones related.
Carla Gallo 00:54
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 00:55
And it happened yesterday. I got a text from my friend Carmen, whom you know.
Carla Gallo 01:00
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 01:00
And let me pull it. I should pull up the text because it’s better for me to just read it. It was a screenshot of text messages that she had back and forth and it’s said from someone saying, “Does Emily Deschanel actually know anything about bones? Respond A.S.A.P.
Carla Gallo 01:17
What?
Emily Deschanel 01:19
She wrote back a question.
Carla Gallo 01:20
Like a bone question for you?
Emily Deschanel 01:21
Well, we’ll find out.
Carla Gallo 01:22
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 01:23
Carla sorry, patience.
Carla Gallo 01:25
Patience.
Emily Deschanel 01:27
She wrote back, yes. So, if I sent you a picture of Bones, could she identify if they’re human or animal? She wrote “Yes”. I was like, “Well, I love your confidence in me”. I could tell certain things, but I don’t know, you’d have to know scale and how big they were and like.
Emily Deschanel 01:41
I’m not Kathy Reichs but I said, “Send them”, and if I can’t tell you, I also know people who […]. So I got sent pictures (I’ll show you) of some old, I think.
Carla Gallo 01:42
Yes.
Carla Gallo 01:59
Bone fragments.
Emily Deschanel 02:00
This person found. Yeah, they’re all broken apart.
Carla Gallo 02:04
I’m gonna guess it’s like a moose or something but I will say, it seems […]. No, the reason I say this because they’re bigger than you would expect to wherever this these were found. I’m gonna just guess someone’s backyard. They were digging in their backyard and I’m just making sort.
Emily Deschanel 02:23
I though of a hike because they found bones on a hike.
Carla Gallo 02:25
But, it’s a lot of bones and they’re bigger than you. You’re like, “Well, that’s not a coyote” because these are big.
Emily Deschanel 02:33
I’d say could be a dog, honestly.
Carla Gallo 02:35
You think? Those are big to me.
Emily Deschanel 02:37
But, it also could be a deer or something, I don’t know.
Emily Deschanel 02:40
So, I sent it to Kathy Wright.
Carla Gallo 02:40
That’s true.
Carla Gallo 02:42
Oh, okay.
Emily Deschanel 02:43
And she immediately wrote back.
Carla Gallo 02:45
Love this.
Emily Deschanel 02:46
Likely bones.
Carla Gallo 02:49
But, she’s an expert.
Emily Deschanel 02:52
They’re likely bones. Thank you, Kathy. She said they’re likely animal and they’re freshly broken which you can tell because you see the light colors around the edges where they’re broken. But it was and I don’t know if […] but it was the defers who created the stranger things that’s we’ve found […].
Carla Gallo 03:11
Oh, are you serious?
Emily Deschanel 03:13
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 03:15
I love that.
Emily Deschanel 03:15
But, they’re very relieved. I was worried that they were going to be disappointed because they were like, “We found […]”.
Carla Gallo 03:23
I’m telling you, they found him in the backyard. That’s my guess, because you’d be like “Oh, no!” that’s a lot of. I was on a hike and I found a bone. We found a bone on the beach or somewhere near, I remember one of the kids was like, “Oh, my husband” and it was kind of big, too. And I was like, “Oh god” and then I was like, “Nah, it’s an animal”. But, that is quite a few bone. If that was in my yard, I’d be like, “Oh, my god, I live on a burial site” but I bet it was someone’s pet that they buried or something […] owner or something.
Emily Deschanel 03:53
It was like a public service.
Carla Gallo 03:57
That’s what you have to offer.
Emily Deschanel 03:58
But really was Kathy.
Carla Gallo 04:00
I know […].
Emily Deschanel 04:04
[…] She’s doing a favorite friend of a friend of a friend.
Carla Gallo 04:06
I love it.
Emily Deschanel 04:07
But, I was glad to give them a bit of relief.
Carla Gallo 04:10
Yes, great.
Emily Deschanel 04:11
And I loved how Carmen was so confident in my abilities to know in a photograph if something is.
Carla Gallo 04:17
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 04:17
Even Kathy wasn’t saying definitively, they are absolutely animal. She says “It looks like animal”.
Carla Gallo 04:23
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 04:24
Which means it’s animal. But, you know, she’s probably has to see in person to fully tell you.
Carla Gallo 04:30
I’m glad Carmen that wasn’t like, “Emily’s not going to be able to identify that show”.
Emily Deschanel 04:35
I like your confidence in me.
Carla Gallo 04:37
I know.
Emily Deschanel 04:37
I appreciate it. Anyway, we’re here to talk about a specific bones episode.
Carla Gallo 04:42
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 04:42
Inspired by the great Kathy Reichs. When I talk about Kathy Reichs, to be clear, she’s who my character was based on, and who wrote the books.
Carla Gallo 04:50
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 04:51
First featured Temperance Brennan. So, she’s the real deal.
Emily Deschanel 04:57
Best selling author as well, actual forensic anthropologist. I was telling my son this story last night about that and he knows Kathy because she stayed at our house a couple of times.
Carla Gallo 04:57
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 04:57
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 05:00
And he was said, “What? She’s a forensic anthropologist?” I was like, “Yeah”, I think he just thought she was an author.
Carla Gallo 05:15
Right.
Emily Deschanel 05:15
I was like, “No, she’s a forensic anthropologist.
Carla Gallo 05:19
Yes, very impressive.
Emily Deschanel 05:20
She’d be impressive for just being such a successful author. But then, even more impressive to be very impressive and she delivers. Anyway, so this episode is 109; The Man in the Fall Shelter. It’s written by Hart Hanson and directed by Greg Yaitanes. I think it’s worth mentioning before we even start that Hart Hanson, the creator and longtime show runner of the show and writer of this episode, said that this was his favorite episode or at least one of his favorite episodes of the show entirely.
Carla Gallo 05:53
Oh, wow.
Emily Deschanel 05:53
In its entirety. He felt like this was the episode where he realized that the show worked. I don’t know what we were doingthe first.
Carla Gallo 05:54
That’s the hot mess and then he saw this and was like, “Okay”.
Emily Deschanel 06:03
“This is okay. This actually works”.
Carla Gallo 06:13
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 06:14
And then the characters work together and it was like a family and I agree.
Carla Gallo 06:18
I have to agree with it, I also agree. I know we said this in a previous episode because we had a listener question about it, and we both agreed which turns out this is our favorite episode thus far as well.
Emily Deschanel 06:30
Yeah, it’s pretty great. It’s really heartwarming.
Carla Gallo 06:33
It’s very heartwarming.
Emily Deschanel 06:35
Very heartwarming. It’s like heart burning, it’s so warm.
Carla Gallo 06:39
It is.
Emily Deschanel 06:39
Okay, so I’ll do the overview. Is that good?
Emily Deschanel 06:41
Okay, let’s see if I can read it like a normal person. Okay, it’s Christmas Eve and there is a holiday party in full swing at the Jeffersonian when Booth arrives with a skeleton recently found in a fallout shelter.
Carla Gallo 06:41
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 06:57
Recently found, but not fresh bones. Bones are old from like the 1950s.
Emily Deschanel 07:02
That’s correct. So, when Hodgins and Zach are taking samples from the bones, a contaminated dust is released into the air of the lab, potentially exposing the group to a deadly disease, valley fever, requiring everyone to be locked inside thelab.
Carla Gallo 07:17
Not on Christmas Eve […].
Emily Deschanel 07:21
Carla, yes. So, while the group waits to discover if they’ve been infected, they work to sell the case of the man found in the fall shelter. And over the course of the episode, we discover that the victim was a whiteman named Lionel Little.
Carla Gallo 07:36
I like that name. What a sweet name.
Emily Deschanel 07:40
Little, sweetest person.
Carla Gallo 07:42
I know.
Emily Deschanel 07:43
You come to just love this guy and we learned that Lionel was planning to marry his girlfriend, Ivy Gillespie and moved to Paris, where they could marry legally as an interracial couple. Lionel was killed for his coin collection.
Carla Gallo 07:57
As one does back in the day, you got that hot coin collection.
Emily Deschanel 08:03
Not Bitcoin.
Carla Gallo 08:04
No.
Emily Deschanel 08:05
Actual physical coins back then. But, he still had his most valuable coin on him which Brennan eventually returns to Ivy, the girlfriend, who is now an old woman and her granddaughter.
Carla Gallo 08:17
And then in this episode, we also learned that Booth has a son.
Emily Deschanel 08:20
Yeah. Big deal, big news.
Carla Gallo 08:22
That’s big news. And the other big news, Brennan’s parents disappeared right before Christmas when she was a teenager. And also the third big news, Angela is the daughter of Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top, shockingly.
Emily Deschanel 08:36
We learn a lot. It’s a lot of crazy, shocking information. By the end of Christmas day, everyone was released from quarantine and they can reunite with their families.
Carla Gallo 08:45
Or lack of families in Brennan’s case.
Emily Deschanel 08:49
Okay, yeah.
Carla Gallo 08:51
Well, there is a lot to talk about and it’s my favorite. It actually really affected me, I know. I was like, “Oh my god”. Now, Ihave to tell her this, because I’m not easy to.
Emily Deschanel 09:05
You’re cold heated.
Carla Gallo 09:06
I’m cold, I’m really shut down. And I was like, “I don’t think I’m ovulating or anything” but I just felt very and it didn’t just happen once. There was like, three points in this episode where I just felt kind of teary. I think I had to wipe my eye a little bit, that’s how much I was affected by this episode.
Emily Deschanel 09:24
Yeah. It’s very heartwarming. To me, I was probably more affected by the foster, that got to me so much, the foster careepisode for whatever reason. I don’t mean to laugh, but remember, you caught me like crap.
Carla Gallo 09:37
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 09:38
Literally crying and I’m moved by this. I think, because it’s emotionally, it’s more like the Brennan stuff. And to me, I’m not gonna be affected by that as much. But when you see a kid and fall, that got to me whatever.
Carla Gallo 09:54
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 09:56
But, I like this episode a lot.
Carla Gallo 09:58
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 09:59
You feel the character, you discover so much about the characters and you see them interacting in different ways with each other. This is a bottle episode.
Carla Gallo 10:06
Right.
Emily Deschanel 10:07
And it’s meaning just contained in one space, the lab that saves money for shows so they can go bigger. You’ll see it in the next episode; Episode 10, it was a bigger episode. We’re driving in a car, not on actual car on a road in Beverly Hills. The officer takes place in Los Angeles.
Carla Gallo 10:07
Right.
Emily Deschanel 10:07
So there’s a bigger budget there, so saves money. But, there’s some of my favorite episodes, a lot of times are bottle episodes because you do, you get to know the characters somewhere.
Carla Gallo 10:37
Yeah, well right. There’s no distraction of the location or outside character. You have Ivy Gillespie and her granddaughter.
Emily Deschanel 10:42
[…] I don’t know what his character actually is.
Carla Gallo 10:52
His character is dressed as Santa.
Emily Deschanel 10:54
How? But he’s dressed as Santa. I guess he’s overseeing the contagion or whatever but I know him. He’s a really nice guy, he was friends with other friends too and I’ve seen him since anyways. But, very nice guy and good actor.
Carla Gallo 11:07
He’s very good.
Emily Deschanel 11:08
Funny that he’s dressed as Santa.
Carla Gallo 11:10
I know.
Emily Deschanel 11:10
A very funny or very interesting to watch an episode now that we did pre- covid pandemic about a quarantine and you’re watching it too, being like, “Why don’t you have your mask on with the habit and then also just stay in that room, Hodgins?”.
Carla Gallo 11:26
[…] He knew they both came in a protocol that he had taken it off. He’s like, “Oh, okay, did you all follow protocol?” And he knows he broke protocol. He should never.
Emily Deschanel 11:28
He put the mask right back on.
Carla Gallo 11:34
And he also came into the room.
Emily Deschanel 11:40
Exactly, that’s what I’m saying. But at the same time, I think that it goes beyond that. I don’t think we addressed this in the episode, but I think it must have been released into the air conditioning or the AC unit, the vents, right? Because that’s what sets off the alarm. It potentially thinking it was released everyone that way already.
Carla Gallo 12:01
But, the only thing is that he said, I forgot his name. The guy you just said.
Emily Deschanel 12:06
Oh, Jim Gottlieb, his character’s name is “How”. But, I don’t know if it’s ever just said.
Carla Gallo 12:10
But he says to you guys, “Okay”. But, you followed protocol, as if it was kind of, as it was gonna be okay. And then there’s Zach and Hodgins, and they’re like, “Oh”. And Zach goes, well one of us did. It sort of seemed to me that it was like, “Oh well, he may now have potentially” yes, it’s in the air ducts. But, I think those got shut down, like an alarm went off.
Carla Gallo 12:36
And it’s Hodgins really that you blame because he’s like, “Oh, you’re blaming me?”. And then he’s kind of blaming you. But, […] I had the same thing. I was like, “What are you doing?”.
Emily Deschanel 12:36
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 12:45
Well, I think it’s funny that Hodgins is the person that has potentially contaminated everybody because TJ who played Hodgins, would show up to work like dying of whatever. He had such a strong work ethic.
Carla Gallo 13:03
Of course.
Emily Deschanel 13:05
He is just like a workhorse and would show up to work. Now, probably wouldn’t do that after COVID. All of us are a lot more savvy. But I remember back in the day it was like, “Yeah”, kind of like you do. People would show up to work sick […].
Carla Gallo 13:19
Yeah, you wouldn’t want to mess up the schedule […].
Emily Deschanel 13:22
But he took it to extreme. One time, he could barely stand up, I’m not even kidding, he came to work. He was so sick.
Carla Gallo 13:31
You guys like, “Go home”.
Emily Deschanel 13:32
Did he work?
Carla Gallo 13:34
I think he still works.
Emily Deschanel 13:34
Oh, no! Nowadays that would not be happening again.
Carla Gallo 13:38
No, because he’s contaminating the whole […].
Emily Deschanel 13:41
Nowadays especially, I’m like, “I do not contend”.
Emily Deschanel 13:46
But, this is a different time. I saw my dad go to work while vomiting because it’s such a strong work ethic.
Carla Gallo 13:46
No! […] .
Carla Gallo 13:48
It would be a huge deal to read, to cancel the day.
Emily Deschanel 13:59
People can’t. He wouldn’t want. What would happen if people did his job for doing that? Nobody can play Hodgins.
Carla Gallo 14:08
Yeah. But, it’s very TJ to be like, “I’m gonna do it”.
Emily Deschanel 14:12
I can barely breathe, but I’m gonna show up to work.
Carla Gallo 14:13
Emily Deschanel 14:24
We’ll be back with more boneheads right after this quick break.
Emily Deschanel 14:27
We have the infection. I mean, do we want to get it? Well, let’s talk about the case.
Carla Gallo 14:52
For a bit.
Emily Deschanel 14:52
Then we’ll get into the characters. How about that?
Carla Gallo 14:56
Yeah, sure.
Emily Deschanel 14:57
Should we go into the case? I think it’s interesting that Goodman, there’s a few leaps that Goodman takes because as an archeologist, he needs examined. I’m jumping ahead.
Carla Gallo 15:15
Like the female handwriting.
Emily Deschanel 15:16
Oh, it’s female handwriting. I almost believe that more than discovering that she’s African American because of her levelof education and the handwriting. I was like, “That’s a real leap”.
Carla Gallo 15:27
That’s amazing leap.
Emily Deschanel 15:29
To know the person’s erased by that and gender but we went with it. That story is very heartwarming and I’m so endeared to Careful Lionel, you just like him, like with his toupee. His toupee is at 20.
Carla Gallo 15:47
Oh! Is it toupee?
Emily Deschanel 15:49
He had a toupee. He had a lint, he had a hunch and he was a coin collector. He was an accountant, essentially.
Carla Gallo 15:59
Right.
Emily Deschanel 16:00
And he fell in love with Ivy, who I guess was cleaning the woman at the office.
Carla Gallo 16:06
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 16:06
They were in love and they were gonna move to Paris together where they could legally marry. And I love the fact that he kept his most valued coin.
Carla Gallo 16:15
I know, good for him, Careful Lionel.
Emily Deschanel 16:18
I like that he got one up on the guy who killed him.
Carla Gallo 16:21
Yeah, I know.
Emily Deschanel 16:22
I find it so heartbreaking that Ivy didn’t know all of these years.
Carla Gallo 16:26
I know.
Emily Deschanel 16:27
And thought the worst of him, as she says. She just thought that he skipped out, leaving her pregnant alone, single mom, raising child on her own all the time.
Carla Gallo 16:37
Yeah, I mean, it was a well […]. Obviously, Hart did a great job because it ties into the themes. It ties in so well for the case to tie in with the emotional themes of the characters as well, you know.
Emily Deschanel 16:52
Yes.
Carla Gallo 16:52
Obviously, especially you and I really liked that. I thought it was kind of a perfect bow in a way we learn that your parents disappeared right before Christmas when you were 15. And then, I just liked to think of like, “Oh, I can give all Angela”. I think you can give her what you didn’t have, which is wondering what happened.
Emily Deschanel 17:17
Would you want to know? She and I, Brennan is resistant. And then Angela says, “Would you want to know?”.
Carla Gallo 17:26
That was just so lovely, because it tied to you. I mean, it tied to Brennan so well, this hurt what she’s going through in that moment, the loss of her family. It’s like, “Oh, I can actually tell you what happened to him” that was a course, another tear jerky moment when she realizes and sees the tickets, when she […].
Emily Deschanel 17:46
Yeah, he was gonna take me to Paris, he said he was. And I thought, “Oh, yeah”.
Carla Gallo 17:52
I know, those are lovely.
Emily Deschanel 17:54
Another theme is the theme of Christmas, who believes and who doesn’t in God.
Carla Gallo 17:58
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 17:58
And it’s surprising how many people believe in God.
Carla Gallo 18:03
I was surprised by that.
Emily Deschanel 18:05
I mean, it’s really discussed Christianity mostly.
Carla Gallo 18:10
I know.
Emily Deschanel 18:11
But, I like that it’s surprising that so many people did, besides Brennan and Zach.
Emily Deschanel 18:16
The only people who are atheists.
Carla Gallo 18:16
Exactly.
Carla Gallo 18:18
I know I made a note about that because I think that obviously they’r certain shows for some reason like Seventh Heaven. There are shows that are very decidedly, like Christian.
Emily Deschanel 18:30
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 18:30
Obviously bones is not decidedly Christian.
Emily Deschanel 18:32
[…]. I remember Michaela saying that she interacted with people who thought that the show was Christian in some way or religious.
Carla Gallo 18:44
I will say that scene.
Emily Deschanel 18:45
Which is funny to me because we do discuss religion and my character is an atheist, always talking about that. But, thenBooth is very much a believer.
Carla Gallo 18:56
Which I like that. I like that you two are these opposing views, and that you kind of explain to each other why you feel the way you feel and that’s great. But I will say that I was surprised, I think, by how, not that it felt so Christian. But, I think just talking about that, most a lot of the people like Angela, people that I kind of wasn’t necessarily, maybe Hodginsays something about it.
Emily Deschanel 19:22
Yeah and I think everyone believes in God.
Carla Gallo 19:23
Yeah, it surprised me. That so many of you, people in the lab were believed in God. And it did skew a little, it did feel a little religious.
Emily Deschanel 19:42
Lots of discussion of it because it is a Christmas episode, too. I think Booth says something. I think I wrote down the quote somewhere, if I can find it.
Carla Gallo 19:55
About the spores?
Emily Deschanel 19:56
Well, you give yourself a shot because of an invisible fungus, why not give God the same.
Carla Gallo 20:05
Benefit of the doubt?
Emily Deschanel 20:06
Yeah, something like that. I’ll find in my notes eventually when we get there. But, I thought that was a funny line, but it isskewed towards.
Carla Gallo 20:15
Yeah, but that meal where you’re all eating Chinese food, I was like, “Oh, this was a very good” because I think, nowadays too, shows are a little more inclusive or aware of being inclusive. And so I think it struck me as a little like not inclusive.
Emily Deschanel 20:30
Also, you’re atheist or you’re Christian? There was no other religion.
Carla Gallo 20:34
Exactly.
Emily Deschanel 20:35
[…] I think that’s also part of the time.
Carla Gallo 20:37
Time. I think it, too.
Emily Deschanel 20:38
Yeah, we obviously represented other religions in the show. I guess specifically we have a Muslim character.
Carla Gallo 20:47
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 20:48
But, Brennan is very much anti, prayer or just anti that getting in the way of work.
Carla Gallo 20:54
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 20:54
We’ll get to that when we see that. But, there’s also the theme of gifts and Brennan is very anti gift. You learn later on that this probably stems from her own personal experience, having had her last Christmas or the Christmas after herparents disappear. But, she’s very anti gifts.
Carla Gallo 21:13
That was obviously the other tear jerk moment for me. The gift, which I thought you did. I made a note. You did such a good job with opening the gift because what I loved about it was it was happy and sad. It showed all those, you open it up and you’re first so happy and of course, as a viewer, I’m like dying and I know we talked about this already with GregYaitanes, I believe you. It was when you told that story, which you should sort of tell again.
Emily Deschanel 21:42
Okay, let me set the scene.
Carla Gallo 21:44
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 21:45
I’m opening the gift. I have a whole idea of what it is in my mind and now I can’t remember Emily. I can’t remember what I decided, it was in my mind. And you don’t know a thing sentimental that had to do with my family that I thought like, “I would open it and there wouldn’t be anything specific”, so I could just imagine.
Carla Gallo 22:05
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 22:05
What I wanted too, in there.
Carla Gallo 22:07
So, you didn’t know?
Emily Deschanel 22:09
I did not know.
Carla Gallo 22:10
When you open it?
Emily Deschanel 22:10
If there would be something in it.
Carla Gallo 22:12
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 22:12
It had a weight to it.
Emily Deschanel 22:14
But I thought, open it and just be kind of like white tissue paper, but maybe something in there.
Carla Gallo 22:14
Okay.
Carla Gallo 22:20
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 22:20
I open it up, there’s a can of Coca Cola.
Emily Deschanel 22:29
A can of Coca Cola. It should have been a diet coke. It was before David would send me diet cokes. It would have been amazing if it was actually a prank from David Boreanaz, saying you’re acting badly here.
Carla Gallo 22:29
That’s amazing.
Carla Gallo 22:31
That is so mean. Wait, can I have this question?
Emily Deschanel 22:33
I was forgiven.
Carla Gallo 22:36
Are you willing to share what the choice you had made for Brennan that was in the box?
Emily Deschanel 22:51
I don’t remember.
Carla Gallo 22:52
Really?
Emily Deschanel 22:53
Yeah. I don’t remember.
Carla Gallo 22:54
Really? But it was a thing like you were, “Oh, I think she received this for that Christmas”.
Emily Deschanel 22:59
Yeah, I think I had a specific. I would have had a specific thing and I kind of remember that I had a specific idea about what it is, but I don’t remember. What was your guess was in the box?
Carla Gallo 23:09
I couldn’t fathom.
Emily Deschanel 23:10
If not a coke can? It is safe to say you didn’t think it was going to be cocaine.
Carla Gallo 23:14
It was safe to say. And if it were me, it would be a picture of every pet and family member that had ever passed awayI would have protect it. I would had to have, it’s very hard for me. The emotional stuff is very hard for me. So, I would have probably been like, “Excuse me, can you put a full”. What is the thing that you do? […] .
Emily Deschanel 23:14
Oh, for the other character?
Carla Gallo 23:20
Yes, you would have opened that up.
Emily Deschanel 23:35
Oh, a friend. Yes, I do have that.
Carla Gallo 23:37
The camera had been over me. You would have seen a full friend of every family member that ever passed away. That’swhat I need to get those emotions up for me when the camera is in my face.
Emily Deschanel 23:53
Yeah, that wouldn’t be helpful. I would feel to me like I was trying to get emotion, I would have a bad reaction.
Carla Gallo 24:02
I need to, it’s very hard for me.
Emily Deschanel 24:02
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 24:03
I’ve told you that it’s tamped down, it’s screwed. This is in jars, all screwed tight.
Emily Deschanel 24:09
Let’s get it open.
Carla Gallo 24:10
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 24:11
Let’s get it open in the process of this podcast.
Carla Gallo 24:13
Well, thank you for sharing about the coke can.
Emily Deschanel 24:15
Of course.
Carla Gallo 24:15
What a great reveal.
Emily Deschanel 24:17
Wait, I also think that it’s funny that Brennan thinks that gifts her way to assert dominance in a group.
Carla Gallo 24:25
I miss that. Do you say that?
Emily Deschanel 24:26
I say that so there’s a lot of walk and talks around the catwalk in this episode. And once again, it’s a classic reggae genius where you have no idea, as an audience member, that we walked around the whole thing and we’re getting nowhere. Also the spoiler, that thing doesn’t go anywhere, there’s no reason to be on that.
Carla Gallo 24:45
No.
Emily Deschanel 24:45
It’s in the lounger area, doesn’t lead to anything. There’s no reason why anyone would go up there.
Carla Gallo 24:51
Right.
Emily Deschanel 24:52
Going to the lounger and why would you go up there?
Carla Gallo 24:54
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 24:54
It’s all hot and weird. I mean, they don’t know that. No one knows that, but now you do.
Carla Gallo 24:58
[…] You get only on this podcast.
Emily Deschanel 25:01
Well, I guess it was hot because we had so many lights and then it goes.
Carla Gallo 25:04
Oh, yeah.
Emily Deschanel 25:04
Maybe it wouldn’t be as hot if it was the Jeffersonian.
Carla Gallo 25:08
Well, I would hope their air system was a little bit better on stage.
Emily Deschanel 25:12
They don’t have those warms that they bring in for air conditioning.
Carla Gallo 25:15
Yeah, it’s a big machine with a gigantic yellow tube that just blows air only in one location. And God forbid you’re standing in front of it. I mean, unless you’re very hot.
Emily Deschanel 25:25
Blasts you. If you’re hot, you want that blast on you.
Carla Gallo 25:29
Sometimes it’s really just all the air is coming out of one gigantic hole.
Emily Deschanel 25:33
It can be strong though, and it is an area.
Carla Gallo 25:36
It has to fill the whole state.
Carla Gallo 25:37
I don’t know. I’ve never had that before.
Emily Deschanel 25:37
It’s also, to me, very tempting, not when it’s on, but don’t you want to just crawl in there? I mean, they’re dirty, if they weren’t dirty.
Emily Deschanel 25:42
I mean, it’s something looks like a child.
Carla Gallo 25:49
Right? Like a tunnel.
Emily Deschanel 25:51
Like a three year old.
Carla Gallo 25:52
It does.
Emily Deschanel 25:53
Play with but very much more dirtier, an air box.
Carla Gallo 25:56
Yeah, it’s too cold to me, to be honest. I’m just too cold.
Emily Deschanel 25:59
Well, without the coldness.
Carla Gallo 26:00
Without the coldness, I might want to climb in there if I know.
Emily Deschanel 26:04
Okay, I’ll take it. We don’t talk about the hallucinations.
Carla Gallo 26:07
Yeah, that was fun.
Emily Deschanel 26:09
From the medication that we take to account valley fever. You know, I read something online about this episode saying that valley fever, you can’t get it by breathing things in. And I looked at Valley fever, and that’s exactly how you get it. So, I don’t know why they wrote that, I may be missing the point of what the person. Maybe they were right and I’m not reading.
Carla Gallo 26:30
But, you looked it up.
Emily Deschanel 26:31
I did look it up, but I might be misunderstanding it. But according to my research.
Carla Gallo 26:32
I like that you did research on valley fever.
Emily Deschanel 26:39
People can get valley fever by breathing in dust that contains spores of the fungus that I can’t.
Carla Gallo 26:46
I mean, I would be disappointed if the show was misrepresenting valley fever, because they’re very accurate in the research, usually.
Emily Deschanel 26:58
I was pleased. I mean, we make mistakes but I was pleased to find that we were not wrong in that way. I think it’s interesting too, who comes to visit for each person we have. Talking about the fact that Booth has a son, he’s hallucinating and he’s lying with Dr.Goodman, and he reveals that he is a parent, he has a son and so Goodman knows. And then Goodman reveals it to everybody else.
Carla Gallo 27:26
Yes, right? And I like that too, that TJ is the one that tells you, or Hodgins tells you […].
Emily Deschanel 27:32
You didn’t hear from me. But, Hodgins that’s the famous scene. Did you notice it?
Carla Gallo 27:37
No.
Emily Deschanel 27:39
That’s the famous scene.
Carla Gallo 27:41
What? Wait, what? Which?
Emily Deschanel 27:42
It’s when TJ and I are walking on the catwalk and he mixes up a line. It literally never got changed. It stayed on the show, it’s still there now. And you didn’t even know.
Carla Gallo 27:57
No, I didn’t.
Emily Deschanel 27:57
To this day, he said, “Goodman doesn’t get to see his family. Zach doesn’t get to see his kids”. And then I stop and say, “Booth has a kid?”.
Carla Gallo 28:07
Oh, no, I didn’t notice at all. Why didn’t I notice it.
Emily Deschanel 28:09
Nobody noticed it, interesting. Nobody on set, nobody on post production, realized it this happens.
Carla Gallo 28:11
Unfortunately happened.
Emily Deschanel 28:11
But, it was caught by Eric Millegan, who played Zach, because he was.
Carla Gallo 28:18
Right.
Emily Deschanel 28:18
Would have been a huge thing for Zach to have children.
Carla Gallo 28:27
No, yeah.
Emily Deschanel 28:28
It was supposed to be Zach, doesn’t get to see his family. Goodman, doesn’t get to see his kids. But TJ flipped it, which happened.
Carla Gallo 28:35
Right. Oh, that’s so funny.
Emily Deschanel 28:40
Stay put our recap will continue in just a moment.
Emily Deschanel 29:03
So visiting hours Booth we see Parker, Booth son for the first time. We find out that the mom wouldn’t marry him.
Carla Gallo 29:11
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 29:11
And he has limited rights because they weren’t married which is interesting. Like, I don’t know what the laws are for that.
Carla Gallo 29:15
I don’t know, but he is obviously a very contentious relationship.
Emily Deschanel 29:18
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 29:19
He’s on the phone with her. He’s like, “Don’t make me beg and whatever”.
Emily Deschanel 29:21
And we will meet the mother, this son. And I won’t tell you who it is.
Carla Gallo 29:26
Don’t tell me. The visitor that we don’t really talk about, though, is Angela.
Carla Gallo 29:31
Yeah, I did enjoy when she’s like, “Listen, I just have to say, you’re gonna recognize my dad and I don’t want to talk about it”. And I was curious where in the world did that? I mean, of all the people like, what is that? How did that happen?
Emily Deschanel 29:31
Is Billy Gibbons.
Emily Deschanel 29:46
I think what happened is Hart Hanson is his easy, top fan.
Emily Deschanel 29:49
And this is like, heart living out of fantasy of maybe Billy Gibbons. Billy Gibbons is the sweet, we should have him on on another episode. He’s a really nice guy, obviously, very talented musician. I don’t know if you noticed, but we never say ZZ top. So, if anyone was young enough and didn’t know who’s ZZ Top or is watching it.
Carla Gallo 29:49
Okay.
Carla Gallo 30:15
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 30:15
Did not know who ZZ Top was or Billy Gibbons, they really won’t have anything.
Carla Gallo 30:20
Well, it’s funny because she’s like, “Don’t talk about it”. But, then people might not know who that is.
Emily Deschanel 30:26
It is funny, though, but some people.
Carla Gallo 30:28
I’m sure.
Emily Deschanel 30:29
Probably laugh.
Carla Gallo 30:30
Not knowing, but something to look up.
Emily Deschanel 30:32
Yeah, now you can look it up back in 2005 I don’t know how people looked it up, I guess I’ll have a computer.
Carla Gallo 30:41
Yeah, a computer.
Emily Deschanel 30:42
Not on a phone.
Carla Gallo 30:43
No, not on a phone.
Emily Deschanel 30:45
It wasn’t as easy.
Carla Gallo 30:46
More, not as easy. Sorry.
Emily Deschanel 30:51
That was good. Hodgins is visited by the masseuse that you’re supposed to see in Quebec, which is so funny.
Carla Gallo 30:58
Oh! so she flew in?
Emily Deschanel 30:59
Oh, that’s what I’m confused by. And did exactly […].
Carla Gallo 31:05
I know I had that thought I was like, “All those people flew in”, maybe they drove.
Emily Deschanel 31:09
Maybe they drove.
Emily Deschanel 31:10
Do you see there’s lipstick in the glasses?
Carla Gallo 31:10
Yeah, and she could have too, she could have driven the masseuse. But I didn’t realize that was the masseuse. I knew that was like some girlfriend or some buddy, but I didn’t it. I will say it didn’t occur to, I was just some random girlfriend of his or hook up. I didn’t really and I did. I was like, “Okay”. Well, let me say that was the one hand on the glass that didn’t really choke me up, because I was like.
Carla Gallo 31:25
Oh, I didn’t.
Emily Deschanel 31:39
Oh, my god.
Carla Gallo 31:40
I would like to talk about the gifts. I thought that was really sweet too. You guys all having to make gifts for each other. Well, I guess not you. But, they all were like, “Let’s do the Secret Santa and make gifts for each other”. That was really sweet. And I guess speaks to the heart, like what Hart was saying, it really felt that the characters felt so bonded and connected.
Emily Deschanel 31:47
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 31:48
How much they cared for each other which you don’t always like, it’s a workplace, show and so this isn’t always so personal. And it felt really personal, Booth making the bird and it was cool, making the paper bird and TJ with the print.
Carla Gallo 32:23
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 32:23
Which is great and I know I love that.
Emily Deschanel 32:23
Yeah, they make an effort to make something that the other person will like.
Carla Gallo 32:24
That’s sweet.
Emily Deschanel 32:25
And then giving the robot.
Emily Deschanel 32:27
That was really nice. I thought that the hologram tree. I thought it was funny when Brennan’s like, “It’s really beautiful”, or something. I’m like, “Well, it’s nice”.
Carla Gallo 32:27
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 32:48
It’s okay.
Emily Deschanel 32:49
I don’t even know. I don’t know if I have to really push that, but I don’t know. Maybe it’s really hard to make a hologram tree.
Carla Gallo 32:58
Yeah, probably.
Emily Deschanel 33:00
I’m impressed.
Carla Gallo 33:01
But, I did have a similar thought, because she’s like, “Do you not like it?” And you’re like, “No, it’s so beautiful”.
Emily Deschanel 33:05
Really beautiful.
Carla Gallo 33:06
And I was like, “Okay”, I mean, “I hear you. Sorry, Angela, I hear you, sorry”.
Emily Deschanel 33:14
Okay, so Angela says that she’s gonna kiss everybody on the […] Angela really wants everyone to come to the holiday party at the beginning.
Carla Gallo 33:23
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 33:24
Angela also says, like, “Friends, don’t let friends xerox or photocopy their butts”.
Carla Gallo 33:30
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 33:30
The company Christmas party which I thought was a funny line. But at some point, says she’s gonna kiss everybody under the mistletoe. She’s like, “I’m gonna kiss you to Booth”. She says, “Maybe, I’ll even kiss you Hodgins and Zach and maybe even you” in a festive non lesbian manner. But, what’s interesting is that the character, Angela, is bisexual, we realized later on.
Carla Gallo 33:38
She is?
Emily Deschanel 33:51
Yeah, she has an ex girlfriend and stuff. So, it’s funny that they make a pointof saying non lesbian manner.
Carla Gallo 33:57
They very much did not need to save it. They did not need to say that.
Emily Deschanel 34:00
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 34:00
But, again, maybe of a time.
Emily Deschanel 34:02
Maybe it’s of a time.
Carla Gallo 34:02
Maybe other time.
Emily Deschanel 34:04
Homophobia of the time. I just think that was funny. I mean, she could say in a non sexual, romantic nature.
Carla Gallo 34:14
Yeah, I’m sure at a time.
Emily Deschanel 34:15
It’s a romance between Brennan and Angela, they are just friends. So, we can talk a little bit about meeting Ivy Gillespie,who comes. So we find out that everyone is free, and we get released.
Carla Gallo 34:16
Everyone’s negative.
Emily Deschanel 34:21
We’re all negative and so we get released.
Emily Deschanel 34:30
And we don’t have to be in quarantine anymore and locked in the lab, and we get released. And Booth says, “I’m gonna be Wong Foo”.
Carla Gallo 34:30
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 34:37
Oh, yeah.
Emily Deschanel 34:37
He kind of lingers a little bit. He says, I’ll be a Wong Foos to Brennan and she’s just left at the lab because she has nobody. But almost immediately, Ivy Gillespie walks in with her granddaughter.
Carla Gallo 34:39
Yes.
Emily Deschanel 34:41
And we get to know them and we find out her story, how she thought that he had run out on her, that careful Lionel hadleft her. And it’s a gift to her to know that he did love her and he would have taken her to Paris.
Carla Gallo 35:05
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 35:05
But, he didn’t get a chance. And then Brennan gets to give the daughter the coin. And it’s revealed that she can’t go to college and then she wants to be a doctor. Grandma thinks she’ll be a doctor, and she can afford it. So the coin is worth$100,000.
Carla Gallo 35:21
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 35:22
Should help in this day and age, I don’t know. But you know, that would help you. But yeah, that’s college universities in this country.
Carla Gallo 35:34
That’s a whole other discussion.
Emily Deschanel 35:35
Yeah. But anyway, that heartwarming scene and Brennan goes to meet Booth at Wang Foos and says, “Hey”, but he says, “I already know what happened”.
Carla Gallo 35:48
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 35:49
Which I thought was interesting.
Carla Gallo 35:51
Yeah and plays ending on the two.
Emily Deschanel 35:53
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 35:54
I really like that.
Emily Deschanel 35:56
And then Brennan meets Parker, and Booth gives Parker the robot and he likes it. So it’s a brief encounter, but it’s nice. Itkind of connects the characters together again.
Emily Deschanel 36:09
You get to know how Booth kind of already knows what happened, because he’s intuitive in that way. And Brennan thinks that something even better that she gave her beyond knowing that the love of her life or presumably the love of her life, didn’t run out on her.
Carla Gallo 36:09
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 36:26
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 36:26
That she gave her $100,000 penny and he’s like, “She doesn’t care about” Brennan’s like, “No” but it’s very expensive.
Carla Gallo 36:35
After that, that is when you go back to open the present right?
Emily Deschanel 36:39
Oh yeah, that’s right, it happens after.
Carla Gallo 36:41
Song was really beautiful, I don’t know who sang it. It’s Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas.
Emily Deschanel 36:43
You are circulating.
Carla Gallo 36:48
I must be, because I was so affected by all of it. The song was really, it was almost like, I don’t know, it wasn’t like Tori Amos, but it was somebody who was very emotional […] .
Emily Deschanel 37:00
It was story, Amos.
Carla Gallo 37:02
No, I don’t think it was. But it felt very emotional, even the song. You ever think it was beautiful, I’m not gonna have, I’m a terrible singer. It was really lovely ending. Like I said, “You did a really great job”.
Emily Deschanel 37:19
Oh, thanks.
Emily Deschanel 37:25
Should we take a fan question?
Carla Gallo 37:27
Oh, yes, and I actually have a good one for us.
Emily Deschanel 37:30
Okay.
Carla Gallo 37:31
It relates. So, this question comes from Lexi on Instagram. She asks, Hi, Emily and Carla. I know you said episode 109, is your favorite episode of the season. So I was wondering, if you two had to make each other a Secret Santa gift out of things at the lab, what would you make for each other?
Emily Deschanel 37:52
I’d probably steal some artwork of Angela’s wall.
Carla Gallo 37:56
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 37:57
It’s probably the best stuff in there.
Carla Gallo 37:58
Okay.
Emily Deschanel 37:58
Although, unless you want an iguana or a mummy. Brens has some decorative stuff. I got some good stuff in my office.
Carla Gallo 38:08
You can’t just steal it on the wall.
Emily Deschanel 38:09
I’m making it? I’m making stuff?
Carla Gallo 38:11
Yeah.
Emily Deschanel 38:13
What do we got? We got animals and formaldehyde.
Carla Gallo 38:16
I did think of something I could make. I thought of two things, actually.
Emily Deschanel 38:19
Oh, look at you.
Carla Gallo 38:20
One, I don’t know, it just came to me.
Emily Deschanel 38:22
Wow, I’m feeling a bad friend now.
Carla Gallo 38:23
I know, you just stole stuff off the wall to give it to me.
Emily Deschanel 38:25
Well, I didn’t understand the question, I guess.
Carla Gallo 38:27
Okay, great. I would take a bunch of the rubber gloves and blow them up.
Emily Deschanel 38:33
Yeah.
Carla Gallo 38:34
And just make a big balloon bouquet.
Emily Deschanel 38:36
They do that in episode.
Carla Gallo 38:37
They make a balloon bouquet?
Emily Deschanel 38:38
No, not a balloon bouquet, you’re right.
Carla Gallo 38:41
Then the other thing I would do and this would be really […] well, thanks for the stolen art. The other thing I would doand this should be really mad about, I could give her a box and it says, like, “I mean, make your own, it’s a puzzle”. But,it’s just a broken skull that she has to put back together but it’s a puzzle.
Emily Deschanel 39:01
Wait, is this for me or Brennan?
Carla Gallo 39:02
Oh, it’s for Brennan. I was making this stuff for Brennan. But, is this for Emily?
Emily Deschanel 39:08
Well, I thought we were talking about each other.
Carla Gallo 39:08
Oh, for Emily?
Emily Deschanel 39:11
Yeah, I thought I was thinking of gifts for Carla. I was like, Well, I’m not gonna give you a dead animal on formaldehyde.So, I’m gonna give you art off the wall.
Carla Gallo 39:18
Then I would stick with the balloon.
Emily Deschanel 39:19
Unless I make you some kind of mixed drink out of the alcohol that we have somewhere.
Carla Gallo 39:24
Isn’t it the alcohol? You mean, real alcohol or like preserve?
Emily Deschanel 39:30
If there’s actual alcohol, use that.
Carla Gallo 39:33
Okay. I was like, “Don’t feed me isopropyl alcohol”.
Emily Deschanel 39:38
Maybe I’m trying to kill you.
Carla Gallo 39:39
Yeah, that’s what I’m wondering.
Carla Gallo 39:40
I gave you balloons.
Emily Deschanel 39:40
Maybe we’re trying to.
Emily Deschanel 39:41
Bones episodes for ourselves.
Carla Gallo 39:43
I gave you balloons.
Emily Deschanel 39:44
Thank you.
Carla Gallo 39:45
And you gave me stolen art and murderous […].
Emily Deschanel 39:48
At least the art lasts for a while. The blue bouquet is gonna be gone.
Carla Gallo 39:51
Wow. Thanks a lot.
Emily Deschanel 39:55
Okay and she’s not appreciative. I thought you’re gonna say you’re gonna give me a box wrapped all nice and inside there was a coke can. It would be a good gift, actually. That’d be funny.
Carla Gallo 40:07
That’d be very funny. Note to self.
Emily Deschanel 40:09
Maybe that’s what I’ll get for Christmas this year. Well, thank you, Lexi, for your thoughtful question. If you would like to submit a question to us to answer on the show, all you have to do is DM us with your question on Instagram at Boneheads Pod.
Carla Gallo 40:26
Could not be easier.
Emily Deschanel 40:28
Well, I think we did it.
Carla Gallo 40:30
I think so, we did it. We did our favorite episode.
Emily Deschanel 40:33
109; The Man in the Fall Shelter.
CREDITS 40:39
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