A Podcast is Born with Joe Locke
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Is this a good time?! Because wow, do I have a treat for you! It’s the first episode of The Dylan Hour, and I’m joined by my friend Joe Locke, dressed in his best Celine. Joe joins me to sip espresso martinis, dish about our types, and — of course — take us behind the scenes of Heartstopper and Agatha All Along. Join us as we celebrate the birth of this very podcast, and Joe’s own birthday, too… just seven months late.
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Transcript
SPEAKERS
Caller, Joe Locke, Dylan Mulvaney, Lemonada
Dylan Mulvaney 00:09
Is this a good time? Oh, I sure hope it is, because today, a podcast is born. This is my first episode of the brand new show, The Dylan Hour, hosted by me. It’s Dylan Mulvaney baby. The Dylan Hour is a retro cocktail party where we sip and we spill with some of my favorite humans, and we’ve got plenty of fun segments for you. We have a lot of oversharing to do, and I’m excited to be doing that now with other humans, and not just alone in my bedroom, but I’m gonna be doing it with my guests and with you. And this podcast has been in the works for almost three years. And some of you might know me from, like, my days of girlhood series online where I, like, documented my transition. But even at the beginning of my time on social media, I was, like, often having my content used against me by, like, really horrendous straight white men podcasters. And I remember thinking, like, we need a way to combat this hatred. And I was like, well, I’m just gonna have to start a podcast of my own. And thus, The Dylan Hour is now happening. It’s here. And I think the world is just a really scary place right now. And I think finding joy is not only important, but it’s absolutely necessary to get us through and and while I think I we can get vulnerable on here, I really want this to be a fun place for me and my guests to just escape and be silly and be stupid. And so we have that to look forward to. I have lots of fantastic friends that I’m going to be having on here, actors, writers, drag queens, you know, with the heavy emphasis on the girls, the gays and the days, I think y’all are about to see just how ADHD I really am by my hosting style, which can only be described as rapid, unfiltered and potentially hard to follow. No, I just really want to emphasize that these are conversations between two friends. And another reason that I wanted to do this is because I’ve had so many iconic conversations behind closed doors with some of these folks, and I want to share that with you, but that also means that sometimes I will be interjecting my own stories or answering my own questions. So if you are exclusively here for the guests or a Dylan Mulvaney hater in general, you might not love this format. I do think some of you will be surprised at how raunchy I am. I do occasionally like to indulge in a casual cocktail or two, but hopefully it’s only gonna bring us closer. I want to theme today’s episode around birthday celebrations, because, in a way, a baby being born is technically, it’s like zero birthday, right? Literal birth date. So it’s my podcast birthday. I’ve always taken birthdays a little too seriously, and they often fall short. But I think a birthday is less about what you do and more about who you’re with. So I wanted to have on my best friend who I always have a surefire good time with. My guest is 21 I regrettably missed his 21st birthday, which I wanted to take him to Vegas. It didn’t happen, so I thought we could use today’s episode to celebrate him finally being able to drink legally in America, but he hails from one of my favorite countries, and also the place where my favorite candy is produced, Percy pigs, okay, but specifically the fizzy kinds I am so excited to toast and celebrate my dear friend, talented actor and Broadway sensation. You’ll know him from heartstopper Agatha: Sweeney Todd, it’s Joe Locke.
Joe Locke 04:41
Hi.
Dylan Mulvaney 04:41
Hi, Joe, hi, how are you?
Joe Locke 04:44
No, I’ve had a really good day. I’ve been following Dylan around all day today.
Dylan Mulvaney 04:47
You were my driver.
Joe Locke 04:48
I drove to Santa Monica and back.
Dylan Mulvaney 04:50
But you have you ever driven in America?
Joe Locke 04:53
Yeah, I drove. I was in Atlanta for six months, and I drove every day there. And I feel like, if anyone knows anything about Atlanta and the driving, if. Once you drive there, you can sort of drive anywhere.
Dylan Mulvaney 05:01
Well, LA’s No, small family is just traffic. But, and then we drove to the beach. I was on a podcast. You walked around town.
Joe Locke 05:11
Yeah, I’m like, you’ve been kind of I also I feel like I like, whilst you were coming, picking up, I’m pretty sure I got propositioned. I think someone thought I was, like, working this street corner.
Dylan Mulvaney 05:20
And did you say yes?
Joe Locke 05:22
Well, you literally turned the corner.
Dylan Mulvaney 05:23
I was like ah, damn. There’s no time.
Joe Locke 05:26
No time.
Dylan Mulvaney 05:27
Could have been quick. Uh, how do you feel about birthdays?
Joe Locke 05:31
You know, I’m not a birthday person.
Dylan Mulvaney 05:32
Were you mad at me for missing your birthday?
Joe Locke 05:34
No, because I don’t care about my birthday.
Dylan Mulvaney 05:36
Oh, my God, I can’t it’s the only thing I care about my life is birthdays.
Joe Locke 05:39
I know.
Dylan Mulvaney 05:40
And also accelerating my other friends. So I I made a podcast three years ago before we were friends, so because I knew that I was gonna maybe miss your birthday in the future, so I wanted this to be for you.
Joe Locke 05:51
Wow, this is all for me.
Dylan Mulvaney 05:52
It’s all for you, and to celebrate you. We have a little you’ve got a cocktail next to you. Know what we’re calling this one for you, honey.
Joe Locke 06:00
What?
Dylan Mulvaney 06:00
Twink juice.
Joe Locke 06:01
Twink juice.
Dylan Mulvaney 06:02
Cheers, it’s an expressive routine, like.
Joe Locke 06:04
I want some cream on mine.
Dylan Mulvaney 06:05
You want a little cream on yours? Okay, don’t spill. I didn’t know. I didn’t want to assume you’re, oh, you’re slightly classier person than I am. You want to spray it? Yeah? You seem to be a little bit more put together than I am. I also will say I’m a little older was then you give it a spray. You never done this before.
Joe Locke 06:24
Well, normally they have, like, a, oh, that’s a special. Anyway, a, what a special. What? I’m actually lactose intolerant, but no, uh [….]
Dylan Mulvaney 06:31
Oh, well, it’s gonna, I was gonna say this twink juice is gonna get us through to a very long night because you want more. Oh, shit, that’s nice. We’ve had a here. Give me that. Okay, thank you. Okay, let’s do first sips. Cheers oh, that’s good. We’ve got a we’ve had a few espresso Martins, but mostly in London, mostly in London. This is your like, well, I guess we spent like, a day together in LA where we did that, but we did talk to me about bitter and sweet of your week.
Joe Locke 07:05
Oh, gosh, I didn’t even.
Dylan Mulvaney 07:08
I know last night my high and low. You don’t know, sweet. This is good. No, that’s what they do on podcasts, especially on the first episode, they say what the segments are.
Joe Locke 07:16
Oh yeah.
Dylan Mulvaney 07:17
The segment of The Dylan Hour, when Joe lock is bitter and sweet of our week. It’s our high and low, our rosenthorn, if you will. I love to find the positive, but I’m not scared to go to the negative. Give it to us, Joe.
Joe Locke 07:28
My sweet, has been sitting on your deck in Dylan’s garden, in the sun. Whilst Dylan has been having the busiest week of her life, and I have been just there’s something. There’s nothing more relaxing than being relaxed around someone else’s chaos.
Dylan Mulvaney 07:47
Are you serious?
Joe Locke 07:48
Like I have had the most nice week beat, because normally I’m the one with the chaos. So to be SAT reading a book and drinking my phone the sun.
Dylan Mulvaney 07:57
I’m like crying to a publicist saying that I can’t do another interview and but in my mind, I’m like, I’ve got to take Joe to the Hollywood sign, and we’ve got to do a double decker tour bus, and I’m having the best day of my life. So you’re giving me full permission that I don’t have to take you.
Joe Locke 08:12
Please don’t hate tourist stuff. Oh, wow. I love feeling like I’m a local.
Dylan Mulvaney 08:17
I think we really got that in the traffic on the freeway today.
Joe Locke 08:20
Yeah, I really felt like a lot of cool.
Dylan Mulvaney 08:21
And you’re, you’re bitter of the week, my bitter of the week.
Joe Locke 08:25
The lingering cold I still have. It’s way better than it was. You sound three days. I sounded like I chain smoked. I quite liked it. I think there was something about like my internal is homophobia that quite enjoyed the masculinity of it.
Dylan Mulvaney 08:41
Baby, lock them doors and turn them. You know what that song is?
Joe Locke 08:44
Yeah.
Dylan Mulvaney 08:45
Okay, that’s also the theme of our friendship. Is mostly just me asking, Do you know what this is, or do they have this in the UK? Baby, lock them doors and turn them. Do they have country music in the UK?
Joe Locke 08:55
It exists? Yeah.
Dylan Mulvaney 08:56
Okay, but not like the biggest, not the biggest. No, no. Maybe the pivot of my career is to just become a country singer in London, because the country music industry is really booming. Really they need me.
Joe Locke 09:08
They love they love progressive.
Dylan Mulvaney 09:10
I’m the Kim Petrus of country book in the UK. Watch out, baby. I would say my suite of the week has been you’ve hosted me so much in London, I now get to host you. Would you say that, like, what would have been the key differences between staying when I’m staying with you and then now you staying with me?
Joe Locke 09:31
Ooh, I think we’re very similar hosts.
Dylan Mulvaney 09:34
Really?
Joe Locke 09:35
Yeah.
Dylan Mulvaney 09:35
Mindful, but not the I my suitcase explodes when it’s at your house.
Joe Locke 09:40
Yeah, my suitcase has exploded within the suitcase. Have you still noticed that? Like, it stay within the suitcase, but it has exploded?
Dylan Mulvaney 09:46
No, I walked in there today and I thought, that’s nice. Mine, not so much.
Joe Locke 09:51
No, you came to visit me once, and I, like, carried Dylan’s huge, two pink suitcases up the stairs, and then I. Because they are gonna mess up a coffee or, like, you settle in, I, like, literally, maybe was out the room for maybe three or four minutes. I walked back in, and it’s like a bomb had gone off. I know how I don’t understand how there’s not physically been enough time that’s gone past.
Dylan Mulvaney 10:13
One of the few things I’m actually very good at doing is fucking up a room wildly, quickly. But it does feel nice, because since I’ve messed up your guest room so often, it’s been nice to let you get mess up mine a bit, and.
Joe Locke 10:28
Dylan has the comfiest bed in the world.
Dylan Mulvaney 10:30
I’ve never slept in that one.
Joe Locke 10:31
It’s so.
Dylan Mulvaney 10:32
I think it’s $100 mattress, I swear to God. Well, whatever it is, you’re the new face, baby. I think my so that’s my sweet, my bitter, kind of funny. You didn’t bring me any Percy’s.
Joe Locke 10:48
No, I didn’t.
Dylan Mulvaney 10:49
What’s up? What was going through your mind?
Joe Locke 10:51
You know, I also realized I’ve forgotten to do. I forgot to ask Rosie. No, yes, she wrote in the plane.
Dylan Mulvaney 10:58
Oh, my God, you’re kidding. I can. It’s okay. You know what? Actually, this is a public service announcement. This is a good opportunity I’m going to take. Another reason why I’m starting this podcast is so that the people watching in the UK can just start sending me Percy pigs, specifically the fizzy tales, which I’d like to have one of right now. Did you you never, you didn’t hook me on these. What was your relationship to Percy pigs before you?
Joe Locke 11:24
I have a controversial relationship Percy pigs. I This is really not like pizza. I’m gonna Yeah, used to have actual gelatin in okay? And they used to be. They used to taste different. And then they made all of them veggie, which I understand and I get, but like, the flavor of them changed when they changed it into a veggie one as well.
Dylan Mulvaney 11:45
And you liked veggie one or ?
Joe Locke 11:46
No so before, like we’re talking 510, years ago, before they made all of them vegetarian, they all had gelatin in so they had pig in, the Percy pig. Oh no, yeah, not cool. But they tasted really good. But I didn’t know what that was. No, you’ve never experienced that taste. So now you can take veggie, you can get like, the original veggie, which is what the like. They made it a vegetarian version before they made the more vegetarian, but they.
Dylan Mulvaney 12:10
Still kept the.
Joe Locke 12:10
Vegetarian version when they changed the recipe for all of them. Okay, the flavor of that is what it used to be. It’s complicated. So I have a really complicated history with it. I love Marks and Spencer with my whole heart. I so good. It’s the best job in the world, other than Trader Joe’s.
Dylan Mulvaney 12:23
Did you work there?
Joe Locke 12:25
No, I didn’t, but I all my friends did, and I feel like I was the only one who didn’t.
Dylan Mulvaney 12:29
Never say never.
Joe Locke 12:30
You know, it’s not too late. Marks and Spencer is actually one of the busiest in the UK. You wouldn’t think it.
Dylan Mulvaney 12:36
Wait The Isle of Man, that’s where you’re from. That’s where I’m from. It’s where all started.
Joe Locke 12:39
It’s where I started.
Dylan Mulvaney 12:41
Then you did theater there, did theater there, and then you booked a little show, just a little one, yeah, and then, and then we met, and that’s when your life really started.
Joe Locke 12:50
I remember the day we met.
Dylan Mulvaney 12:51
Tell us.
Joe Locke 12:52
We me and gentlemen, had followed each other on Instagram for a few months. And then you were in London, and you were like, oh, let’s like, meet up and grab coffee up. And then we ended up spending like seven hours in Soho House just talking. We like, really drunk, but we really both had, like, meetings. We just canceled because we just well.
Dylan Mulvaney 13:11
And I didn’t know that many people in London, but you were one of those people. Also, I will say that your presence online, especially at that point, was still quite mysterious. And so I was like, what’s his deal? I was like, I want to know more about this person. And it felt like fast friends. Now, what was your like relationship to social media before heart stopper? Were you like an active poster?
Joe Locke 13:35
No.
Dylan Mulvaney 13:36
Ever?
Joe Locke 13:36
No.
Dylan Mulvaney 13:37
Snapchat?
Joe Locke 13:38
I use Snapchat, but like in the same way, like every teenager does.
Dylan Mulvaney 13:43
Okay? And then you never I, you were never told stop.
Joe Locke 13:49
But I had like, normal amounts of, like 800 Instagram followers. And then I think when the show got announced, like, over the year of me being announced in the show coming out, I gained like 100,000 and then I went from like 100,000 the day of release to three and a half million two days later.
Dylan Mulvaney 14:06
Casual.
Joe Locke 14:07
Yeah, normal, yeah. Just normal. Very, Yeah, very and then it helps me. Then it’s like, every time something gets released, I will gain followers, but now, like, on average, I will lose like 20,000 followers a day.
Dylan Mulvaney 14:17
For what?
Joe Locke 14:18
I don’t know, I used to get really upset about it. I’ve sort of come at peace with the fact that fact that, like, but like, that’s 20,000 people a day who are actively you don’t need unfollow someone. You have to press unfollow, think and then say, Are you sure? All these people are saying, Oh, we are sure. We don’t want this guy in our life anymore, right? And that used to really, like, genuinely get to me, whereas now I just find it quite funny.
Dylan Mulvaney 14:38
Well, also, I feel like it happens when, like, you post something, you know, it’s like, yeah, you remind someone that they’re following you, and they’re like, oh, fuck, I don’t want to follow this person. And so it then makes you be like, wait, maybe I shouldn’t post so that I keep the people, no, you gotta post, gotta post. You gotta find the right people.
Joe Locke 14:53
Post, baby post.
Dylan Mulvaney 14:54
Post, baby post. And then I’ve gone to visit you. That trip, though, was day 1000 I woke up to a Percy pig cake from you.
Joe Locke 15:02
I’ve been cuddling that Percy pig. I bought Dylan, a big Percy pig for her day, 1000 I’ve been cuddling it every night.
Dylan Mulvaney 15:08
Well, it’s that was a lot of room that it took up in my suitcase, and I’m really grateful still, but you would not do the one thing that I wanted that day,
Joe Locke 15:20
One thing about Dylan that I love the most is that when she wants to do something, she will do it. I’m gonna, like, if you don’t want to go, like, she’s not going to judge you for that, but like, she’s still going to do it. And ever since you met, you’ve been talking about the jacuzzi boat. Jacuzzi boat in Canary Wharf, like picture, if anyone doesn’t know, Canary Wharf picture, like businessmen in suits, dirty water that like doesn’t really drain anywhere, because it’s in the wharf rather than the actual river.
Dylan Mulvaney 15:48
And my dream December businessman in suits, that’s my boyfriend. Six degrees Celsius, hot, cold, nice. That’s really cold. That’s a nice contrast. It’s like a 45 degree Fahrenheit. Then you’re in a hot, hot pool of water that has an engine in it, and it’s awful. But did you feel like you kind of wanted to go?
Joe Locke 16:09
No.
Dylan Mulvaney 16:09
Did you feel jealous after seeing all my pictures? […]
Joe Locke 16:14
I didn’t feel bad at all. You tried to make me feel bad. You didn’t try to make me feel bad. I think you were hoping that I would feel bad and therefore would go with you. There was even though it was even though it was a day 1000 all of that.
Dylan Mulvaney 16:22
It was today’s your birthday, seven months late. So I’ll do whatever you want today. If you wanted to get in a Jacuzzi boat, I’d probably go.
Joe Locke 16:31
But that’s because that’s what you want to do.
Dylan Mulvaney 16:33
Well, now the hold up.
Joe Locke 16:36
If I wanted to go and get a nice big salad with loads of vegetables.
Dylan Mulvaney 16:41
Oh, my, I’m out. You know, I’ll sit with you. You know what? I would have gone and watched. You could have been with all the businessmen with the suits, but I found a girl’s girl, Kira, my makeup artist. And she’s like, darling, I’ll be right there. I give the thing about me too is, like, I sometimes give people, like, 20 minutes notice for like, a 40 minute drive. I’m like, minute drive. I’m like, maybe across town to go to this thing. She’s like, Dawn. I’ll be right there. And so we go on this boat. You we had, oh, God, we had to, like, put down the, there was a big pipe with smoke that we’d have to put down with the, what are those things called, where you go under a bridge? There we go. So, oh, they got a lot of bridges over there in London. I saw that. So I’ve put putting those down. And it was a great day and.
Joe Locke 17:27
It was raining.
Dylan Mulvaney 17:28
Okay, well, in my mind, it was a great day. Oh, it was a great day. It was amazing. And in something else that’s kind of happened now that feels two of my favorite things really are Jacuzzis and I also, like a psychic.
Joe Locke 17:43
We were gonna tell the story. I think we have to, we have to tell the story.
Dylan Mulvaney 17:47
So we’re having a really sweet dinner the other night, it’d been a long day. We go if we were at a restaurant that felt oddly kind of like the the Twilight movie, where Bella and Edward go to Italian food for the first time together, and we walk out, and we’re going to be walking back to my house, and we see an open sign that’s on the light. What’s next to the open sign? It’s a psychic. It’s a psychic. There’s a psychic on.
Joe Locke 18:15
A psychic, and then it said, If I can’t save you, no one can.
Dylan Mulvaney 18:19
So I for those of you that don’t know, I love a psychic. I regularly go once a year to like, kind of like, Kardashian level psychic. But this one was, this was also at 9:30pm So we call, and then we hear her talking through the window, and she’s like, what time do you want to come? And we’re like, now. And she said, great, come on. So we then knock on her door. She opens up in her bathrobe. I’m also nervous because, like, I was actually nervous to bring this one up. I’m scared that she’s gonna see this and I’m gonna get hexed. Do you feel that for me, we’re fine.
Joe Locke 18:58
They told them what she said to you?
Dylan Mulvaney 19:00
Yeah, that’s okay. Here we go wait one step. Oh, my God, I gotta put my drink down for this. So we’re in the psychic. I go first, and Joe goes and sits with the husband on the couch.
Joe Locke 19:18
We had a really nice conversation about wallpaper paste for half an hour.
Dylan Mulvaney 19:22
For half an hour, genuinely now, I paid for the $60 palm reading, which I assumed would take five minutes. Went on a little longer because she looks at me. She like, reads my palm. She goes, oh, you’re single. I was like, yeah. And she goes, this is very early on in this in this session, mind you, she goes, it’s you’re single because you have a demon that comes and has sex with you every night, and that’s why you’re so tired when you wake up. And that demon is getting in the way of any relationship that you could have outside of you. And that demon. Okay, that sex demon. And in that moment, I’m like, looking at her mind, you have 27 minutes left of the conversation with her, and and I, I’m like this. And she kept going, Look at me, look at me, because I would look down to text my all I could text Joe was.
Joe Locke 20:15
No, don’t.
Dylan Mulvaney 20:17
I got two words that I needed to make sure that he didn’t go after me. And she’s like, do you have, you know, do you have bruises on on your your parts downstairs? And I was like, no. And she was like, well, it’s coming. She was like, that’s what you like. That’s what you should expect to happen be from this demon. And she goes, the demon has been following the women of my family for many years, and that this goes back to, like, my great grandmother and and if I, I pay a certain fee, she can get the demon review removed. What we’re a little nervous about is that her grandchildren do follow me so.
Joe Locke 20:56
Yeah, well, I was talking to the husband, and he was like, oh, this all these famous people live around here, and then, like, there’s this famous Tiktok girl. And I was like.
Dylan Mulvaney 21:04
Oh, really, couldn’t be me, no. And so what we’re a little nervous about is that I did not pay the fee. I did tip her an extra 20 on top of the palm reading, just to be like.
Joe Locke 21:16
You know, maybe she’s right. What? Maybe you do have a sex demon?
Dylan Mulvaney 21:20
Well, I woke up really tired this morning.
Joe Locke 21:22
That’s because you didn’t sleep though.
Dylan Mulvaney 21:24
Well, oh, but what if that?
Joe Locke 21:27
What if.
Dylan Mulvaney 21:29
I but here’s the thing I at least would want to know, like, if it’s happening to me, I would want to be a part of that. And then Toby, our friend Toby, like, I like, shared something to our close friends, and I, like, was talking about what had happened with the sex demon. And he was like, Oh, this sounds you’re like, Lily Depp in Nosferatu. And I was like, Oh, do I look like her? Or is it like, like, is it because I look like Lily Rose deaf? He was like, No, it’s because you’re getting fucked in the night by so I’m a little nervous about that. Would you want a sex demon? Be honest, no, why not?
Joe Locke 22:07
I don’t want to have sex the demon. Well, fair, no, I’ll take whatever I want to have, uncontentional sex the demon ever.
Dylan Mulvaney 22:14
Yeah, I want to.
Joe Locke 22:14
I want to know sex with a demon. I want to be that’s a choice I’ve made.
Dylan Mulvaney 22:17
Thank you, okay.
Joe Locke 22:20
Which choice we have made?
Dylan Mulvaney 22:21
Yeah, we’ve made some amazing choices.
Dylan Mulvaney 24:38
Now tell us so you start you were an actor on the Isle of Man. You did a lot of musicals. What was your favorite musical you ever did on island?
Joe Locke 24:46
Musical.
Dylan Mulvaney 24:47
That was your first one?
Joe Locke 24:47
Yeah, I almost did it twice, but then I got hostile the second time, so I had to drop out. Wait, what character was the what did you play the far quads, dad, he comes right at the end and he goes, I suppose my invitation got lost in the mail.
Dylan Mulvaney 24:59
I’ve never heard of Farquads, dad as a character in training. How’s that song? Because they’re really good, babe. I was like a level the talent level in the Isle of Man. Like, really high, really crazy. Samantha box.
Joe Locke 25:10
She’s from the Isle of Man.
Dylan Mulvaney 25:11
Shut up.
Joe Locke 25:11
Yeah, it’s me and her.
Dylan Mulvaney 25:14
I mean, breaking through, but everybody else is like a star that’s waiting to be discovered.
Joe Locke 25:17
Yeah, but it’s just time to I got very lucky. What did you want to be? I wanted to be an actor. I didn’t think it would happen. So I thought I’d become, I’m like, what did you want to be in? Shrek, oh, in Shrek, oh, I wanted to be Shrek. I still do. I want to be ginger, still.
Dylan Mulvaney 25:30
You could be a great ginger. Oh, I’d love it. But you want to, you still want to play Shrek?
Joe Locke 25:34
I think Shrek, the musical is one of the best written musicals, of all musicals, the music is so good.
Dylan Mulvaney 25:40
It is?
Joe Locke 25:41
I will oh, I love.
Dylan Mulvaney 25:42
I know it’s today.
Joe Locke 25:44
Gorgeous songs, all of them.
Dylan Mulvaney 25:46
And so what was the second time you were supposed to do it? I supposed to be Peter Pan. The second time. Wow, we got, we’re moving up in the world, but you got heart stopper instead. Shrek, heart stopper star.
Joe Locke 25:58
I remember being like to the director, being like, I’m really sorry. Like, I just got it. And he was like, and I get it.
Dylan Mulvaney 26:04
And he was like, well, you should be doing track.
Joe Locke 26:06
Well, that was, yeah.
Dylan Mulvaney 26:08
how did your life shift? Did you have time to prepare for the hard time? Funny stuff, I’ve never asked you about this period of time in your life, and I I’ve only watched some of the episodes, which are very good, but I don’t know this.
Joe Locke 26:22
I got hosted, but it was during COVID.
Dylan Mulvaney 26:24
Okay?
Joe Locke 26:24
I had to fly to London for the audition, had to come back the Isle of Man and isolate on my own in my house for two weeks, like, just me and my dog. My mom had to move out. And then I got the part I couldn’t tell him, couldn’t, like, celebrate anyone, like FaceTime my mom to tell her because. And then I two weeks after that, I got on a plane back to London and started filming.
Dylan Mulvaney 26:45
It was in London you were filming. Did you know any of the cast before that?
Joe Locke 26:48
No.
Dylan Mulvaney 26:49
So you did season one. You moved to London.
Joe Locke 26:52
Then I went home, finished my high school exams.
Dylan Mulvaney 26:54
Oh, that needed to happen, do you finish high school also? Do they call it something different, sixth form?
Joe Locke 27:00
So you do, like, your GCSEs, just like you’re like, everyone has to do them, and then you go back and do your A levels.
Dylan Mulvaney 27:06
Sick form.
Joe Locke 27:09
Six, but like sixth, because it’s your sixth, sixth, yeah, I guess, form, yeah, and Nora comes. Most people go to university, yeah, uni. But I didn’t. I got a place. I got grades. I could. I got quite good grades, considering my attendance for the last year at school was like 13% because I would go to school in the day, fly to London in the evening, go to an event, do a press thing, spend the night in London, then get the 5am flight back to the Isle of Man, do a day of school. And I was doing that every day for like two months, and I still got ABB.
Dylan Mulvaney 27:42
What is ABB?
Joe Locke 27:43
Like, A, A, B and A B, I know I was really quite proud of myself.
Dylan Mulvaney 27:47
I love it. Now, you had a second season. Heart stopper. How did that differ? You felt a little more comfortable?
Joe Locke 27:55
Like, yeah I mean, I finished school at that point so I could, you could, and then I went straight into Agatha.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:00
And how did that happen?
Joe Locke 28:02
A lot of auditions, like nine, zoom, few zoom.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:08
This scares me. Do you know this reference? Zoom, make my heart go boom. My super nova girl.
Joe Locke 28:15
I do, but I don’t.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:16
Oh, God, it’s Xenon z3.
Joe Locke 28:20
Yeah, I don’t have xenon.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:21
Is equal no Xenon girl of the century, and that is where the age difference comes to play. So you’re doing Agatha in Atlanta, where you drove Atlanta, Georgia, where I drove a car. I’m also curious, do you you have a license?
Joe Locke 28:36
Yeah, well, no, I just have been driving your car all day without a license.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:38
But you said, before you took the keys. You said, Is this legal?
Joe Locke 28:42
Because in the UK, you can’t just drive someone else’s car.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:45
Can you in America?
Joe Locke 28:46
I googled it, you can.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:47
Oh, good.
Joe Locke 28:48
Well, it’s fine. I’ve done it now so.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:49
Okay, exactly, great.
Joe Locke 28:52
You need to have a certain type of insurance To drive someone else’s car.
Dylan Mulvaney 28:54
I felt like, you’re like, you had a permit. I was your driving instructor, and I signed off.
Joe Locke 28:58
There was a few times she was like, done. Was like, trying to work and was, like, checking that I was, like, moving Lane correctly.
Dylan Mulvaney 29:03
It was great. I mean, it was like, I was two people at once. I good, but you were really good. I’m a good driver. You really put together. Thank you. Um, but so you’re in Agatha. Did you ever drive Patti LuPone?
Joe Locke 29:17
I don’t think I have. I think I would remember if I drive by the.
Dylan Mulvaney 29:20
I think that it would be really intimidating to pick out a song.
Joe Locke 29:23
She’s driven me on a golf cart before, but that’s, that’s about it. She was in charge of the golf cart. She was staying in this weird part of Atlanta that everyone drove around in golf carts. And she, yeah.
Dylan Mulvaney 29:35
Oh my god. How what was working with her? Like, were you intimidated at first.
Joe Locke 29:40
I remember, I found out watching on video Dylan just dropped a person on your dress.
Dylan Mulvaney 29:49
Just, oh, there’s just that one too. You want to get that from me.
Joe Locke 29:53
Thank you. Um, when I found out she was in the show, I remember like I was in. Sarah Finn, the casting director. Who’s such an incredible woman her office. And she was like, oh, you’ll never guess who’s playing the layer. And then told me, and I, like, gay, gasped and fell to the floor.
Dylan Mulvaney 30:09
Genuinely, did you know, though, deep down, that you were gonna be best friends?
Joe Locke 30:12
Oh, as soon as I, like, as soon as I knew I was gonna meet her, I was like, I will be best friends with this woman. That’s my girl. But I was, I can’t underestimate how much of a pie opponent, super fan I always was my whole life.
Dylan Mulvaney 30:24
So you were, you were deep in already.
Joe Locke 30:25
Oh, yeah, I know I would could have told you that’s also resume from the day that she started acting all the way back to Juilliard.
Dylan Mulvaney 30:33
You still are very you’re much cooler than me in many ways. But, you know, a lot of Broadway.
Joe Locke 30:38
I think people really don’t like when I did Sweeney, I think people thought, oh, that’s just this, like the Netflix kid did. I like, No, baby, no, maybe no.
Dylan Mulvaney 30:45
This was not like a plug and play no celeb.
Joe Locke 30:48
Like, I know my I know my shit. You know. I know which there is, which show was that absolutely.
Dylan Mulvaney 30:55
Did you ever go travel to to New York to see Broadway shows before?
Joe Locke 30:59
Yeah, I’ve been to New York first time. Which New York was like the month before heartstopper came out, actually? Well, my mom was to me to London to watch shows. First Broadway show I ever saw. I can’t tell you. We can’t talk about it. Okay, fair. We can. What is it? You have to Well, the first Broadway show I ever saw was Harry Potter and the Cursed Child.
Dylan Mulvaney 31:22
And you know what? It’s a good it’s a good place.
Joe Locke 31:25
And you know what? I remember going and I remember taking a picture of in the bathrooms. In that there, they have a sign that says, like, we support your choice to use only whichever bathroom you want. Being like this is the kind of like cunt way of being like. This is how we support, we support trans people. And then I went to watch six after that. So after that.
Dylan Mulvaney 31:43
So, oh, and that’s a that’s a very inclusive show.
Joe Locke 31:45
Yeah, we love six. I’ve watched so many Broadway shows now I feel very lucky. And you’ve been in one, been in one. Now, Sweeney Todd. Sweeney Todd, what was that like? Amazing. They could just sing to Sutton Foster every night.
Dylan Mulvaney 31:56
Were you friends with her?
Joe Locke 31:57
She’s amazing. She’s so cool. She’s lovely. Like, yeah, and.
Dylan Mulvaney 32:01
Then you had, you already sang that song, like, in an audition or anything for.
Joe Locke 32:05
I think I ever sang that song was for Alex Lacamole.
Dylan Mulvaney 32:08
Oh, God, that’s intimidating.
Joe Locke 32:10
You have to remember that.
Dylan Mulvaney 32:12
Like, people don’t always know who that is like, which is crazy, because that’s all that, that’s all that matters to us. What? What is His claim to fame.
Joe Locke 32:21
I mean, he’s done everything.
Dylan Mulvaney 32:23
I know.
Joe Locke 32:24
Hamilton, Darren.
Dylan Mulvaney 32:29
But I really feel like I want to bring Broadway to the mainstream through the show, and that brings us to our next segment.
Dylan Mulvaney 32:42
Every week, I’m going to be asking our guests, what does a girl want, but in this case, what does a gay want? What does Joe Locke want? Joe, what is something that you are desiring? Whether that’s a Dyson, air, wrap, world peace, anything in between? What are you looking for, Joe?
Joe Locke 33:00
You know, what am I looking for?
Dylan Mulvaney 33:03
Yeah, what do you want? Be honest, it’s not something you need. What do you want?
Joe Locke 33:08
I want, there’s so many ways I could go about so many things I want.
Dylan Mulvaney 33:16
Oh, what do you want?
Joe Locke 33:17
Um, obviously, like, world peace and like.
Dylan Mulvaney 33:21
Yeah, sure, whatever. It’s your birthday wish, babe. Okay, this is all for you. It’s your birthday. Seven months late. You get whatever you want. Oh, honey. Oh, it’s my cake better. Oh, my God, we got you cake. It looks like, um, oh, you know what this is from? What Erewhon is it? Yeah, this is probably $9,000 for this slice. Yeah, probably tastes like shit. Well, that’s all
Joe Locke 33:49
I got in here, right? This is my arrow in yesterday. I got what I thought was a chicken plate with two sides, and it arrived, and there was no chicken, and the sides were gross, and my coconut smoothie was also gross. And you know how much it cost me, $110.
Dylan Mulvaney 34:05
Well, and my Haley Bieber smoothie was very good.
Joe Locke 34:09
I should have got the Haley Bieber I thought I’d try something different. But, you know, stick to what.
Dylan Mulvaney 34:12
You know, what’s your birthday wish, Joe?
Joe Locke 34:14
My birthday wish.
Dylan Mulvaney 34:15
Yeah, but you have to say it out loud, because it’s a podcast.
Joe Locke 34:18
Okay, so it can’t be like my birthday wish is that this year I want us to go on a really nice, lavish holiday.
Dylan Mulvaney 34:26
Oh, I love holidays, tell it okay. Where is it gonna be, okay? You can blow on it.
Joe Locke 34:33
Oh, good. I want to scoot to a Greek island.
Dylan Mulvaney 34:36
Take a bite. Greece. Mamma Mia.
Joe Locke 34:40
I’ve never issued him. It’s probably not good. But what?
Dylan Mulvaney 34:43
You have a retainer in?
Joe Locke 34:46
My Invisalign, is cutting the butt of my mouth. And this one’s not shaped right? So I’ve got a massive cut.
Dylan Mulvaney 34:51
I have a crazy cold sore. It’s fine when I eat those hot chips. Oh, I got you on those, didn’t I?
Joe Locke 34:57
The hot chips? Hot chips, best things in the world you’ve gotten. Into a Trader Joe’s. Or did you let many times I was in the other day flowers and Trader Joe’s?
Dylan Mulvaney 35:04
Oh, you did. So you buy me flowers. This is kind of coconutty, I think I like it. Oh, um, coconut donuts. Now I’m thinking about church. Oh, explain to that. Now that’s what I said. I said at the beginning of the episode, I said the ADHD is a little crazy. I used to go to church and the one thing to look forward to was coconut donuts.
Joe Locke 35:31
Still don’t see the correlation.
Dylan Mulvaney 35:33
I want to go to a Greek island with you. But do you want to know what my wish is? Are you going to ask me?
Joe Locke 35:39
What’s your wish?
Dylan Mulvaney 35:40
Thank you. So my what a girl wants is, I would like us to live in the same city, for an extended period of time, doing either the same show or two really good shows, because one of us can’t be in a bad musical and the other that’s just not fair. And then I want Wes to find the cutest restaurant that we go to every single night, and we have, like, the back booth. And then each night we have kind of a rotation of whether it’s like, hot, you know, dates or, you know, maybe like a special Patty LuPone, kind of guest star situation, just kind of, we always bring new people in after the shows, like that. You should do that, I think happen, yeah, what? Let’s talk, um, speaking on bringing maybe a double date situation, what’s your type and what’s my type?
Joe Locke 36:30
I think we should describe each other’s types.
Dylan Mulvaney 36:31
Okay, it’d be nice. I think your type is a little older, maybe a little taller, a little buffer, like a man. You like a man? What do I like, Joe?
Joe Locke 36:47
You like a man too.
Dylan Mulvaney 36:48
We often.
Joe Locke 36:49
There’s quite similar.
Dylan Mulvaney 36:50
There’s some cross pollination happening in here.
Joe Locke 36:52
Not like no have we? No, not yet.
Dylan Mulvaney 36:58
Never, say never. I. I think maybe like, the distinct difference between our types is like, oh, I think I know what I like that you don’t well. I like like a man with a really skinny winner. I like a man with a wedding ring. We need a controversial process. No, I like like a man that has really long, slender fingers, that journals in the morning and kind of looks gaunt, I don’t like that. Kind of sunken, yeah, you don’t want, like a tortured, kind of, like a drummer, you don’t like that.
Joe Locke 37:36
No.
Dylan Mulvaney 37:36
Okay, see, that’s good.
Dylan Mulvaney 39:09
Okay, are you ready for our overshare? Don’t care lightning round, you know, I like to over share.
Joe Locke 39:15
Really?
Dylan Mulvaney 39:16
You think?
Joe Locke 39:17
No.
Dylan Mulvaney 39:17
You don’t as much.
Joe Locke 39:19
No.
Dylan Mulvaney 39:19
But I have not shared these questions with you or your publicists, right? And we’re gonna have a countdown timer going and you’re gonna answer these as fast as possible. Are you ready? Yeah, oh, you were ready? I’m ready. Whoo, okay, Joe. Dream day in London.
Joe Locke 39:38
Junior in London. Wake up Gallo house by 930 go for brunch somewhere, yes. And before a nice walk has to be sunny, , and then maybe see a matinee, and then go for dinner, and then go for drinks, and then go to bed by midnight.
Dylan Mulvaney 39:52
Celebrity crush.
Joe Locke 39:54
Henry Cavill.
Dylan Mulvaney 39:55
Casual or dressy.
Joe Locke 39:56
Casual.
Dylan Mulvaney 39:57
Who would win in a fight, Sweeney Todd or the Scarlet Witch?
Joe Locke 39:59
Oh what witch? Imagine a competition.
Dylan Mulvaney 40:02
Magical power you wish you had.
Joe Locke 40:05
Telekinesis.
Dylan Mulvaney 40:06
Hard stopper, actor who’s most like their character.
Joe Locke 40:11
None of us.
Dylan Mulvaney 40:12
Agathe actor who’s most like their character.
Joe Locke 40:17
All of them.
Dylan Mulvaney 40:18
Oh, favorite book.
Joe Locke 40:20
Oh, 1000 Splendid Suns falling memoriam.
Dylan Mulvaney 40:23
Favorite song that brings you joy,
Joe Locke 40:28
Where you lead Carlo King.
Dylan Mulvaney 40:31
Favorite clip of Patti LuPone circulating on Tiktok.
Joe Locke 40:35
So many good ones. I actually love the one of her and Aubrey doing hot ones, and she’s throws the wing at the camera, and she’s talking about Madonna Broadway, or West End Broadway. Okay, this is, like, you know what it is. There’s a culture to Broadway that, like, I just think is really addictive, like the West End has, but there’s just nothing. There’s just no, there’s no comparison to Broadway. I don’t know this is very different things.
Dylan Mulvaney 41:04
We’re gonna unpack what we just learned. Okay, I feel like West End is just more. Maybe the grass is always greener. I think that’s what it is. But have you done West End yet?
Joe Locke 41:14
Anything done Ma, which is like sort of West End, but sort of not, but I’d love to do a West End could be happening
Dylan Mulvaney 41:21
And Agatha actor is most like their character. You said all of them.
Joe Locke 41:24
Yeah, they’re in like ways. Okay, what is your way that you’re like teen? I have murdered my friends.
Dylan Mulvaney 41:31
What’s the what’s the actual character’s name?
Joe Locke 41:33
Early.
Dylan Mulvaney 41:34
Okay, you.
Joe Locke 41:35
Which is also my middle name? Actually, really, my middle name is William. Joseph, William Locke.
Dylan Mulvaney 41:41
Do you know what my middle name is?
Joe Locke 41:43
I do. […] James.
Dylan Mulvaney 41:50
Oh, my God, that’s crazy. Um, oh, where would you you said a bar in London? Where, like, where is a cute place to go after? I’m not telling the world that that’s fair. You tell me after. I’ll tell you after. Maybe you’ve taken me there. I’ve taken you to me. Taken you to me. Okay, tonight, let’s tell the world we are going to an event. We’ve gone to some events already this week.
Joe Locke 42:10
We’ve got some I we went to Paris Holton birthday by the weekend. And I don’t know if everyone could see this, but my knee.
Dylan Mulvaney 42:16
Is just so fucked up. It’s like green and brown. It hasn’t even hit the, like, bruise spot yet. It’s just like, it’s a giant we dive in the ball pit. I made you dive in the ball pit. I mean, there was, it was a it kind of did feel like AI in the way that if you typed in Paris Hilton’s birthday party that would have popped up as far as the collection of people in that room. And I had a good time.
Joe Locke 42:42
I had a great time.
Dylan Mulvaney 42:44
But in that felt like that was, like your first la day, technically, yeah, and you took me to Paris Hilton’s house. It was, it was a good place to take.
Joe Locke 42:51
But tonight we are.
Dylan Mulvaney 42:52
We’re going to a Vanity Fair party. We are. And who are you wearing? My Celine head to toe. I’m changing into something slightly sweatier, because this is it’s a good party to, like, potentially kiss someone. I saw some hotties last. You haven’t been there yet? No, I haven’t. You got something to look forward to? How is the how do you usually approach a party? As far as working the room.
Joe Locke 43:15
I’m not for good at I like that’s something that I want to get better at.
Dylan Mulvaney 43:21
Tonight, nice tonight. How do I approach a room?
Joe Locke 43:25
I don’t like, I think the room approaches you like.
Dylan Mulvaney 43:28
And if they don’t, I will find the room, I kind of feel like I can tell if somebody’s kind of walking the other way, and I find him. I don’t know. I don’t let him go. Like, how do you feel about dancing in public?
Joe Locke 43:41
No.
Dylan Mulvaney 43:42
Oh, come on.
Joe Locke 43:44
But the difference is, you can dance, I can’t dance, so I look like a twat and, you.
Dylan Mulvaney 43:48
Know, I’ve kind of seen you also, is twat as bad of a word over there as it is here?
Joe Locke 43:54
I mean, yeah, but like you also like twat isn’t a thing. Stop saying twat. Say twat […]
Dylan Mulvaney 44:01
Oh, we haven’t taken you yet to like any of the gay bars in West Hollywood. No, we need to do that eventually. You’re going to Academy Awards. That’s exciting. We’re going to DC land with Chris.
Joe Locke 44:13
I’m so excited for that. I’m so great but.
Dylan Mulvaney 44:16
I think that might be the highlight. And that was also because we were trying to figure out if we could go. And then I was like, Would it be okay if I texted this guy, Chris Colfer, and Joe was okay with it?
Joe Locke 44:27
Yeah. I loved.
Dylan Mulvaney 44:28
What did you love, Glee?
Joe Locke 44:29
I was, like, a late glee. It was sort of like, sort of before my time. Like, just, but, like, just before my time.
Dylan Mulvaney 44:36
Oh, that’s so painful. I was watching in real time. Did you like binge after the fact?
Joe Locke 44:42
Yeah,
Dylan Mulvaney 44:43
Who do you? Who did you feel the most connected to on that show?
Joe Locke 44:48
Sort of none of them. It’s a very American show.
Dylan Mulvaney 44:51
That’s fair.
Joe Locke 44:52
In a way that like, if any of them were in a British school, they would have all just been bullied so much they would never have wanted to be in the glee club in the first place. So true. I. Which is not good. It’s not like, it’s not a positive.
Dylan Mulvaney 45:02
No, and anything else that you want to accomplish while you’re in America?
Joe Locke 45:07
Um, I’d love to get a job, okay, like tomorrow, like this, like, yeah, that would be nice. It won’t happen. But, like that, actually, it could happen. We never know.
Dylan Mulvaney 45:16
You never know. It’s the City of Dreams.
Joe Locke 45:18
City of Dreams.
Dylan Mulvaney 45:19
Did you watch La La Land?
Joe Locke 45:20
No, I didn’t. I’ve still never watched it.
Dylan Mulvaney 45:24
What do you want me to watch that? I haven’t seen the Goonies. I never saw that. That’s bad.
Joe Locke 45:30
That, like, I think, genuinely, has driven away general friendship. If there
Dylan Mulvaney 45:34
was anything, it’s this podcast and the Goonies. Yeah, how about oh, okay, so we’re going to this tonight, you’re going back to London. I might eventually come stay with you. Very soon, I’m coming to the West End and and then Greece. What Greece Island Should we go to?
Joe Locke 45:48
I love Santorini. It’s my favorite place in the world.
Dylan Mulvaney 45:51
Where have you been? How many times I’ve only been once?
Joe Locke 45:54
But I loved it.
Dylan Mulvaney 45:55
Is that where Mamma Mia set?
Joe Locke 45:56
No, I don’t think so. But they’re all the same. They all give it the same. Do you wear Speedo or a little? I’m not a speedo guy.
Dylan Mulvaney 46:03
Why?
Joe Locke 46:05
Well, I’m trying to get my ass bigger this year, so maybe this year’s the year that I wear.
Dylan Mulvaney 46:08
Speedo squats.
Joe Locke 46:09
Yeah.
Dylan Mulvaney 46:10
Do you go to workout classes like Barry’s?
Joe Locke 46:11
I’ve started doing personal training. I know it’s really fun. What’s the personal trainer’s deal? Seems Tom he’s really great listening. Straight or gay, he’s queen, okay, yeah, we, you know what it is. I’ve always been so scared of the gym because I’ve always felt like I would be judged in that space. And it’s the first time I, like, have been enjoying it. And like, we’ve been, yeah, it’s been fun.
Dylan Mulvaney 46:33
And then so as you’re getting your ass a little fatter and your muscles a little stronger, what is your hope to mature into roles in the industry. What do you want those to be?
Joe Locke 46:43
I want to play a really macho, straight man in action film.
Dylan Mulvaney 46:48
Like James Bond?
Joe Locke 46:49
No, not James Bond. I want to play James Bond by someone, an unnamed reporting and it really annoyed me. I was like, you put those words in my mouth. I never said that. You said, that. You said, Would you like to play James Bond? And I said, whatever. Sure. Like that. Make it be like Joe looks like, no, I didn’t say that.
Dylan Mulvaney 47:10
So you want to be playing like, you want jet ski fire behind you just.
Joe Locke 47:14
I want, like, yeah, God forbid, no Speedos. Well, hey, my dream would be get paid a shit ton of money and say, like, get really ripped.
Dylan Mulvaney 47:23
Oh, like, they pay for you to get ripped. Oh, I just can’t be able to organize it. I want to get paid to lay in bed.
Joe Locke 47:32
I don’t want that.
Dylan Mulvaney 47:33
You don’t? You aren’t really. You don’t love a bed as much as I do.
Joe Locke 47:36
I don’t like, I can’t like in the first person. I can’t sit still.
Dylan Mulvaney 47:41
The first person to ever use my living room. I don’t I’ve never sat on the couch my life. I’m sitting this the first time I work at Saturn couch. Put me to bed.
Joe Locke 47:51
Yeah, I walked in last night. I went for dinner, and I came home, I walked in, and I was like, Dylan, where are you? And Dylan is buck naked in bed to the ceiling.
Dylan Mulvaney 48:04
Always can never get the hair out. It’s all the fake hair. Yeah, I think that you’ve gotten a bit of a appear into what my life really is here. And now I think we have a very special segment. We’ve got last call confessions. We’re gonna be hearing a call from one of our lovely followers of the pod, and we’re going to give a little advice. Are you ready?
Joe Locke 48:26
I’m ready.
Dylan Mulvaney 48:29
Hello, honey.
Caller 48:31
Hi, Dylan I was just wondering, like, how do I feel confident about myself? Like, if I want to do something, and like, go out there, and like, feel confident. Like, how do you do that? Because overall, I don’t feel confidence on myself anymore. I’m trying to but now, and I just wanted, like, aside from you, if that’s okay. Thank you so much. Bye, oh.
Dylan Mulvaney 48:54
I love our new friend. I know did we get the name? I don’t think they shared their name, but that’s okay. That’s good that we can insert our new friend, our new friend, confidence. You said we were talking about confidence Yesterday.
Joe Locke 49:04
Yeah, in bed.
Dylan Mulvaney 49:05
What did we say?
Joe Locke 49:06
I was talking about how I.
Dylan Mulvaney 49:09
I can’t remember any I’m scared. I don’t remember anything, which is good, because I can’t remember all the horrible things that happened to me. But then we have a good conversation like confidence, and I can’t remember that. Well, refresh. Dory Nemo wait, Marvin, is that what their names are? Marlon, okay, give us the confidence to a friend.
Joe Locke 49:29
I was saying last night about how I want to be able to like, go up and talk to people if we’re out and like, the confidence to like, I am so scared sometimes of looking like a twat and making like a fool of myself, that I don’t put myself in those situations, that like good things can come from friendships and whatever, whereas you are very good at that.
Dylan Mulvaney 49:51
What did I say to do?
Joe Locke 49:53
I don’t remember.
Dylan Mulvaney 49:54
Oh, same. So I think, but to our friend, let’s start fresh.
Joe Locke 49:58
So I’m saying I oh.
Dylan Mulvaney 50:00
So it’s actually similar caller.
Joe Locke 50:02
I’m the cooler
Dylan Mulvaney 50:03
you put on. You did have slightly different voice yesterday while sick, so maybe that was you. I think that I’ve always kind of erred on the side of like, cringe is kind of iconic. So like, if you’re ever trying to be cool, I think that that’s not a great way to meet people, because you’re not showing up as your authentic self. I think that, well, like when I think about you, you’re such a lovely, funny human that everybody needs to know if they don’t already. And I bet this person’s the same way. I bet that our friend is like the loveliest, and also just, I’m so grateful for your call. But I think that better to, like, put yourself out there and try and then, I mean, you might see someone’s true colors. If you are to try to be friends with someone and they don’t want to be, then they don’t deserve you. But a lot of the times, it usually works out. Yeah, in our case, it did I think, honestly, a really good outfit is like, kind of surfaces that might sound when I feel cute, I feel like I can take on anything, and a lot of the times, like I can almost like, convince myself that I feel a lot more confident than I am if I look presentable and like, it’s like my armor, in a way, everyone I’ve had the best time with my dear friend, Joe. Do you have anything else to add?
Joe Locke 51:23
I have to add the no, I have nothing to add.
Dylan Mulvaney 51:27
Okay, would you ever host a podcast?
Joe Locke 51:30
I would if I don’t think I’d have a career if I did.
Dylan Mulvaney 51:35
I think you’d give it some time. Maybe it’ll always it.
Joe Locke 51:40
Used to have a career and you got a podcast?
Dylan Mulvaney 51:42
Well, for this is the first episode, so only time will tell, right? And if you’ve enjoyed this episode, please go check out us on YouTube, anywhere you subscribe to podcasts. I was gonna say, Joe, where can they find you? But they probably already have.
Joe Locke 51:57
Find me wherever you want.
Dylan Mulvaney 51:58
Do you want to be found?
Joe Locke 52:01
Loaded question there, Dylan.
Dylan Mulvaney 52:03
I think most people would want you to be on the social media more.
Joe Locke 52:07
Yeah, I think that’s probably why I’m not.
Dylan Mulvaney 52:08
Have you done like a talking to the camera video? Why not?
Joe Locke 52:13
It’s just not for me. Is it?
Dylan Mulvaney 52:15
No, but maybe that’s why we work.
Joe Locke 52:18
Yeah.
Dylan Mulvaney 52:18
But when I do it, are you like.
Joe Locke 52:20
no, because you’re so good at it, I would be so bad at it. Okay? I think it’s just like, I enjoy, like, the mystery of me. Maybe people think they know me really well, but actually don’t know me at all.
Dylan Mulvaney 52:32
Maybe on my birthday, there’s gonna be The Joe Hour, and it’s gonna be where you’re talking the camera, uh huh, I don’t share anything at all. You just, you take it. That’s December 29 but then you would do seven months after so, like, right now, okay, does that make sense? No.
Joe Locke 52:50
Not really.
Dylan Mulvaney 52:51
But we can most of this didn’t.
Joe Locke 52:54
Most of our friendship doesn’t make sense.
Dylan Mulvaney 52:56
No.
Joe Locke 52:58
We, me and Dylan will often talk in, like, incomplete sentences.
Dylan Mulvaney 53:01
Can you tell ? All right, well, I love you all Happy Birthday if it’s your birthday, and if not, it could still be seven months later. And okay, we love you.
Joe Locke 53:11
Love ya, bye.
CREDITS 53:16
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CREDITS 53:36
The Dylan Hour is a production of Lemonada Media. Our supervising producer is Jess […]. Producers are Carmen Laura,Kegan Zema and Aria Bracci. Audio and video production and engineering by Jordan Lynn, Ivan Kuraev and Brian Castillo. Our SVP of weekly programming is Steve Nelson. Our theme song was composed by Daniel Mertzloft and arranged by Aaron Kaufman. Special thanks to Megan Strickland. Executive producers, Stephanie Wittels Wachs, Jessica Cordova Kramer, Katherine Law and Dylan Mulvaney. You can find us online @lemonadamedia, and you can find Dylan on Tiktok and Instagram @DylanMulvaney. Follow The Dylan Hour wherever you get your podcasts, or listen ad free on Amazon music with your Prime membership.
