Did Anyone Really Win Depp v. Heard?

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Kiki, Hoja, and Mohanad react to the final verdict in the Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard trial. They analyze Johnny and Amber’s closing statements, speculate what this might mean for their respective careers, and lay out the broad cultural ramifications of this verdict. Plus, Kiki reviews the new Top Gun movie, Mohanad crosses paths with Dave Chappelle, and Hoja teaches her co-hosts some Venezuelan slang.

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Hoja Lopez, Mohanad Elshieky, Kiki Monique

Kiki Monique  00:00

Hi, I’m Kiki Monique and this is I’M SORRY, your weekly dose of pop culture, celebrity missteps, and public apologies. And this week, I wish I was a cat because I just want to sleep and lay belly up in a sundrenched window.

Mohanad Elshieky  00:22

And I’m Mohanad Elshieky, and this week, it’s hot as hell in New York City, and I hate it so much.

Hoja Lopez  00:32

It’s too cold. It’s too hot. I get that. And my name is Oh, Lopez. And this week, I hung out for five hours with three 19 year old freestyle rappers in a hair salon. And I had the single best time of my life.

Kiki Monique  00:48

They were just in the hair salon?

Hoja Lopez  00:51

Yeah, I got invited to be on this like, cool podcast and all in Spanish here in Chicago. And this lady, she just had an entourage essentially like the podcast hosts and there were literally 9 to 10 people there recording this podcast. And amongst those 9 to 10 people, there were three 19 year old rappers that that are her protegees It’s like she’s a manager of different like, young artists, Venezuelan artists. And they weren’t really good, you guys. My mind was blown.

Mohanad Elshieky  01:23

Did they do freestyle rap to you?

Hoja Lopez  01:25

They did they freestyle rap to me, and then they were so good that then I started throwing crazy shit at them. So I was like, Okay, now like, now you’re gonna rap from the perspective of like a 75 year old man, who is like, getting a boner for the first time in a decade, you know, and then they would like sit there and just freestyle rap. From that point of view, from that character point of view. And then the other person would come in as a character, and they’d rap battle each other as the characters that I told them to. It was so good.

Mohanad Elshieky  01:56

The most improv thing I’ve ever heard.

Hoja Lopez  02:02

That is my culture. I will not be shamed.

Kiki Monique  02:05

No matter where you take, Hoja. She’s gonna make you do some improv in some way, shape or form.

Hoja Lopez  02:11

Yeah, yay. Yeah. I can’t help it. My nature and they tried to explain what improv was. And they’re like, No, we’d like stand up. You know, because it is. Improv is sort of like the nerdy theater kid younger brother to like the cool bad boy stand up, brother.

Kiki Monique  02:31

Why didn’t you just tell him that freestylers are the improv of the rapper world?

Hoja Lopez  02:37

No, we talked about it a little bit, because they were so brilliant and so smart. And of course, I don’t hang out with a lot of Venezuelan people often so when I do get into like a circle of them. And they’re young. I was just like, asking them like, what the new slang was, like, because I know slang from when I was a teenager. But I haven’t been in Venezuela for so long that I that should evolves and you don’t know how it evolves. So they literally just spent all night just honestly humoring this ancient person.

Kiki Monique  03:11

In case I end up in Venezuela, like what is a current popular slang term that I should know?

Hoja Lopez  03:16

Sure. Okay. So I asked them like, okay, because, okay, we may be smoked a little bit of weed. And so we were smoking weed, and I was like, hey, so when I was growing up, if you had smoked weed, and you were high, you would say that you were […]. […] means you were kind of like, the literal translation is sort of like stuck or sticky, kind of. And so I was like, but now that you’re grown up, and, you know, like, you’re like, oh, not only can you just be high, but what happens when you’re too high? You know, is there a word for when you’re faded, to like, we have all these words in English for being fucked up paths beyond where you should be. And I was like, do you guys have a word? And he said, oh, yeah, it’s […]. So that is for when you’re too fucking high on whatever drug it is that you’re on. And the translation needs to go pale. But in an infinitive verb. So like as if you were running or screaming or crying. […] means to be pale in a kind of verb kind of way. Isn’t that so strange and weird?

Mohanad Elshieky  04:33

I also love that when you said smoked weed, you whispered it as if Joe Biden listen to this podcast.

Hoja Lopez  04:42

I always I have this like very like conservative because like you grew up in the early 2000s and late 90s. And you’re like, drugs kill. And drugs are bad, bad boys and you’re a bad girl if you do drugs, and I grew up very Catholic, and so I think I still have this like, I don’t want to tell anybody that I partake. But yeah, I mean, I haven’t hung out with like really young people like 19 year olds like that in since I guess maybe I was 19, but do you guys know young people like very like young?

Mohanad Elshieky  05:16

Well, so I mean, when I was in Portland State I used to be like that professors assistants. So like, I would also work with these freshman’s, you know, like, every year. So I guess those are young people, very young people. And it was something it was definitely an experience I would not like to do anymore. I mean, they were like, almost like, nice to me. I thought it was cool and everything is just the fact that like, the stuff that they care about, the stuff that they worry about, I’m just like, bro, it’s gonna get worse.

Hoja Lopez  05:55

But what about you Kiki, you know any 19 year old’s that you hang with?

Kiki Monique  05:59

I mean, yeah, I don’t say 19 year old. I like I think that I know like a lot of because I do become friends with a lot of like the online accounts that I like, become mutual’s with like on TikTok, or Instagram, and I say hi, probably trend on the older side, but like, I hang out in like a tea world where there’s a lot of younger accounts. So if we meet in real life, then I feel like yes, I’m hanging out with like, a much younger, younger crowd.

Mohanad Elshieky  06:28

Also if you are younger than 25. I have no idea how old you are.

Kiki Monique  06:37

I drove by a high school the other day, and I was like, I didn’t look like that. They look like children.

Mohanad Elshieky  06:45

Exactly. Like, you tell me you’re like 18, you told me you’re 24 I believe it and like, I have no idea how old you are.

Hoja Lopez  06:54

We would be the worst bouncers in America. We would just be like, yeah, you look 21 To me, baby. Come on in.

Kiki Monique  07:02

I’ve actually been, I haven’t really been a real bouncer. But I like, so like, I for some reason, used to have this thing I did, where I would sit at the front of bars. And I don’t know, I guess my look, people automatically would just start handing their IDs to me if I was like, sitting there. And I saw I just would start doing it sometimes and pretend I was the bouncer because I just like thought it was like funny. I’m weird like that.

Hoja Lopez  07:32

Kiki, you just gave me a flash, a lick of memory that flooded my brain just now. Where I have also done that, the entrance of bars. Somebody didn’t pay me to do it. But now I realize I have been a bouncer. We both in bouncers, Mo?

Mohanad Elshieky  07:52

I have not. But speaking of bouncers, I was in San Francisco this weekend, doing shows at the San Francisco punch line. Great time, had the best time of my life. But on Wednesday, and Thursday, there was a Dave Chappelle Show right after, and the amount of security that they have for the show is insane. Like they have like metal detectors and like, you know.

Kiki Monique  08:22

Well they have to now, right? I mean, he did get attacked by like a knife.

Mohanad Elshieky  08:26

But I’ve heard that. I’ve heard that was the thing always , but now it’s more. But what’s funny to me is I think he did not need all of that security for one reason, which is tickets for that show are $150. And I’m like, bro, no one’s paying $150 to get kicked out. Like if I paid $150 to see anyone, no matter how much I hated him. I will sit there and watch the whole thing.

Kiki Monique  08:57

But most importantly, did you get to meet Dave Chappelle?

Mohanad Elshieky  09:02

No, I saw him but I didn’t stay for the show. Because it was so late. It started so late. And it goes on for hours for hours. First of all, there is no one in this world that I would want to listen to speak for two hours. Like the most I think the perfect show, a perfect show is 90 minutes.

Hoja Lopez  09:22

See, and I was gonna say 45, I was gonna say a good 45 minutes show whether it’s an improv show, improv shows are better at 25 but it’s 45 minutes for me of stand up and I’m like, this is good.

Mohanad Elshieky  09:36

I like 45 minutes off one person. But like a 90 minute like you know like you have an opener you have a feature and then maybe have like someone you guess spot and then you have the headliner talk for like 50 minutes to an hour and that is perfect, ends there.

Hoja Lopez  09:54

Have you ever been at a show and then it’s like a halftime or what’s that called technically like an intermission, and you’re like, I wish it was over now. I wish this was it. Every time there’s an intermission in any show, it doesn’t matter how good the show is. I’m like, I’m done. But then I have to go back in.

Mohanad Elshieky  10:13

I think, like intermissions are just like, you know, God doesn’t want that. Yeah, they shouldn’t happen. Like, first of all, you feel the momentum of the show. If it’s a comedy show, you just killed it. Now, I have to start from the beginning. And the host has to bring it back, and all of that shit. And then people will take so long to come back from the bathroom, whatever the fuck they’re doing. And do like, you know, and whoever going first, or like, whatever is happening right after the intermission, like, you’re gonna be on stage and people are still walking in, I don’t like that. So just keep it going. Just use the bathroom before the show, like a grown up, leave in the middle of the show and use the bathroom.

Kiki Monique  10:55

But you know what I do wish, I do wish movies had intermissions because I went and saw Top Gun this weekend.

Mohanad Elshieky  11:02

Oh, how was it?

Hoja Lopez  11:04

How was that?

Kiki Monique  11:08

So cheesy, but I love it. I mean, I love Top Gun.

Mohanad Elshieky  11:12

No, I don’t blame you. So yesterday, I actually watched, rewatch the first movie. And it’s so funny.

Kiki Monique  11:22

It’s so funny. And I didn’t even realize that the Navy had paid, the military had paid $31 million to get that movie funded. Yeah. Because when that movie comes out, I mean, I definitely know recruitment after this new one is gonna go up because like, you know, you watch those planes and taken off and like, even I want to be in the Air Force, which I was still trying to figure out the branches. Like, why is the Navy and the Air Force combined? I don’t know. But that’s not for me to figure out.

Mohanad Elshieky  11:52

They both you know, ride over water. And they’re like..

Kiki Monique  11:57

But like, just the fact that like, you know, I think I read somewhere was like they had to pay $11,364 an hour for these planes to be used in this movie. But, you know, it’s just a cool movie to watch. But, you know, we were just sort of, we made it a girls you know, day and anyways, the movie is 2 hours and 17 minutes, I think and I kind of just wished you know, because […] so you’re drinking and you know, you kind of want to just a little break to like, you know, but you don’t want to miss anything, but we were just saying that you know, Tom, you know, Tom definitely was like making sure he was in every part of this movie. Even though like it doesn’t necessarily need to be about Tom but you know what, I love Tom I watch every single movie he does.

Mohanad Elshieky  12:41

It’s so fun. I mean, like, here’s the thing, he knows how to be a Hollywood movie star. And that’s all you can ask from him. Like are these movies like propaganda for the military? Is my taxes paying Tom Cruise to fly planes? Yes, that’s exactly what’s happening. But you know what, at least you know, there’s so much like military propaganda at least, you know, they made it fun for once.

Hoja Lopez  13:06

They should consider this level of effective marketing in all areas of their life. But instead they do dumb shit like open up a weird store in a strip mall and like stalk you as you walk through the marshals.

Mohanad Elshieky  13:22

I know it’s so funny that  I’ve learned Like recently I can like join the military even though I’m not a citizen or so. And I’m like bro you’re like letting me die for this country but will not process my papers quick enough. What an insane world.

Kiki Monique  13:43

I was surprised to find out my friend like same situation. Like I think she has a green card and it’s like, she has to pay taxes but she can’t vote. And I was like, this feels like not equitable.

Mohanad Elshieky  13:57

Yeah, I’m like, man, like I pay taxes too and everything and I also deserve to have my vote not matter, you know?

Kiki Monique  14:09

As I walked by, but yeah, my ballot to go in the box and mean nothing. Exactly.

Mohanad Elshieky  14:14

Yeah, I want to be disappointed too, I want to vote for someone and then you know, end up with not my choice.

Hoja Lopez  14:20

Or have a bad year and just be like, you know what, none of this matters. I’m not voting at all. Even just the possibility of thinking maybe I won’t vote. The just the sheer gall of having the option and deciding not to that is choice.

Mohanad Elshieky  14:35

You know what, what I love though, I think I’ve said it before, but like the thing about like not voting for me, like not being legally able to vote is that I can always be on this fucking high horse baby. It’s great.

Hoja Lopez  14:50

I love a high horse. I love a high horse. I love it. I wish I could live off of a high horse. The moral high ground is the club to be, baby.

Mohanad Elshieky  15:01

Yeah, people are talking about the lesser of two evils and who to pick and all of that. I’m like, I don’t even have to think about that. Whatever choice you make, I’ll blame you for it. I pay taxes to do this. If I can vote, I’ll pay me for whatever the outcome is.

Hoja Lopez  15:18

I do love that.

Kiki Monique  15:40

Okay, we have got to talk about this verdict. I mean, obviously, I have my thoughts, but like, I have not heard from either of you. I need to know. Like, what are you thinking now that you’ve heard the verdict?

Hoja Lopez  15:51

Oh, my God. I mean, I guess the first thing that comes up is sort of like, shit show. Kind of a lot of like, why are we talking about this? This is a private conversation between two people in their bedroom in some ways. I don’t know. You say first, you go first, Mo.

Mohanad Elshieky  16:13

Well, I mean, my initial reaction is no, I’m not surprised. Well, yeah. I mean, like, I feel like after all of this, like PR machine, and having, I assume the jury can read social media.

Kiki Monique  16:29

Well, not during deliberations. Like while they’re on the stand. Like they’re not supposed to be on online at all.

Mohanad Elshieky  16:35

Yeah, exactly. But how do you even control that when you go home? Are you gonna like not look at what’s happening online for like, it’s a bit impossible. But I mean, obviously, we can, we can’t know that we can know that. What kind of instructions they follow. I’m not surprised. But also, like so he got $15 million. Hopefully that is enough to pay for all of the PR he paid for. And did Amber, her get like $2 million?

Kiki Monique  17:03

She was awarded 2 million and you know, and then Johnny was awarded 15 million, but that will actually be reduced to 10,350,000. Because he was ordered 10 million on compensatory I think it’s how you say it and 5 million in punitive. But there is usually a like ceiling on how much you can award for punitive. And in Virginia, it’s 350,000. So that 5 million will become 350,000. But her 2 million is 2 million.

Hoja Lopez  17:29

Is it strange, but I think that the amount of money almost like gives us like an almost like your 70% to blame and your 30% to blame. Like there’s something about the amount of money that they each gave to the other person in this suit. That almost like if you break down the money as a total and who has to give more money to who that’s almost like in my mind what the jury’s sort of like apportioning of the blame over like how much abuse happened? Like that’s kind of what’s going across my mind, I guess, or at least what they felt they could prove essentially, the thing that I’m most compelled or interested in hearing about is if they make statements, have they made statements after this?

Kiki Monique  18:22

Yeah, they made the statements. Yeah, they both made statements.

Hoja Lopez  18:26

And I guess I haven’t, I haven’t listened to the statement, but or to Depp’s statement. But is there anything in there about the broader claim that this is a step back for women, because I know that Amber Heard statement included that. But we talked a little bit about like, what their statements were going to be and kind of how they were going to sort of counterbalance each other. And I’m really, really curious if Johnny Depp side of things at least includes a little bit of information about like, hey, we realized that abuse claims are real and that they should exist and that this is not you know, that this is not something that’s supposed to like, minimize either thing, but I don’t know.

Kiki Monique  19:10

I mean, was his statement really was about clearing his name. And you know, six years of his life and the jury giving his life back. You know, in the end, he says something about, you know, that I hope that my quest to have the truth be told will have helped other men or women who have found themselves in my situation and that those supporting them never give up. So I think that’s the closest he sort of came to acknowledging that. But yeah, he doesn’t really talk about that. And I you know, I will say that I think, again, Amber’s tried to harp on the freedom of speech part in her state. Because we’ve talked about it on this pod, like how Americans use freedom of speech, and they don’t really use it correctly. And I don’t think that this was a case to argue freedom of speech. Here’s my thoughts. So I mean, look, everything about this verdict. It makes me sad for so many reasons. Do I believe that Johnny hit Amber? I think that yes, I think that Johnny hit Amber. Do I believe Amber hit Johnny, yes, I believe Amber hit Johnny. Do I think Amber exaggerated her claims? Yes. I think that Amber absolutely exaggerated her claims. Do I think that she might have exaggerated her claims because she thought people might not believe her. I also believe that, it’s people again, want me to have a side in that. But I believe all of these things to be true. And I think I also believe I agree with you, Mohanad, I find it hard to believe the jury didn’t get influenced in any way. And not to say, you know, I don’t have confirmation of that. But I find it, it would be really hard to go weeks and weeks without that. And if you were to see what was happening online, and things that weren’t being introduced into evidence, I could also see that.

Mohanad Elshieky  21:03

I just think I mean; I think the result is one thing and their assessments is one thing and how this is going to be used and how it’s going to be perceived and how it’s going to be covered. Is another thing, is going to be it doesn’t matter what happened to trial today, it’s what’s going to be communicated to people is what people are gonna get out of this. And I think so far, obviously, from what I see online, you know, like you have, like, you have the people who are just like, you know, like, are just like bystanders who are just like, oh, I like Johnny Depp, I like Amber, this is my team, this is who I want to win. And it’s just based on who you like more. And then you have like, you know, right wing people who are just like, she is fucking sad celebrating today, in a way that just like, they make it sound like this is the, you know, the trial of the century. And to them it is because now you can like, every time like a woman like would come out and like, you know, accuse someone of something they will use this as an example of like, you know, women lying, whether like Amber was lying or not. And, you know, and I think that’s, I mean, that was the goal from the beginning, you know, like, to make this into a, like a huge cultural thing. And it will, I mean, it will make a shift in general. And I see a lot of people on the other side, like, especially like people like who were victims of like, domestic abuse, and all of that. And they’re like, basically saying like, Amber Heard had, like more evidence than I could ever present and even her that she couldn’t really do anything with it.

Kiki Monique  22:42

I mean, I think, look, I think that’s like a very real reality. But I also think, you know, because of the exaggeration because again, I do believe there were exaggerations. Amber also just made this harder for every other woman who does have to prove that. And that part is the part that really stings with me, because I understand what it means to feel like not being heard, not being listened to and feeling like maybe you do have to, like, go above and beyond or exaggerate in order for it to be taken seriously. I think this got like a wildfire out of control. I don’t think she realized how far this was going to go. And then she sort of had to have to sit in that. And I think the biggest part was because again, whether you know, the physical abuse and the verbal abuse and the emotional abuse, I think, well, definitely the verbal and emotional we can prove that right. Like that was in tapes that was heard, we know that that happened. I think it was the sexual violence part that then turned people into like, this feels a step too far. Because you know, if you heard if you listen to the story in Australia, and her retelling of it, that was when I think she lost a lot of people because what was happening, what we were witnessing and what we were seeing in pictures. They weren’t adding up and so again, I hate that. I hate that that happened. And I hate that she felt she needed to do that.

Hoja Lopez  24:14

Definitely like, I think the scary part of like, misogyny is the amount of like toxic results that this specific trial is producing in people. And I mean, in some ways I’m like, what are we supposed to take away from this is mainly the biggest thing for me is like, maybe even you don’t exaggerate, maybe even you do a trial but if something like this comes out and is public, that’s what we know, we can expect and so that is so scary to me in terms of like, of what we can expect from the public at large whenever we come out and say something like this. And the fact that women in general face a lot higher partner violence like there’s something to be taken away from this that isn’t just what occurred in the trial, but of what can happen to us when we actually voice the things that we want to voice and that we need to. And that, to me, I think is the saddest and scariest part in some ways. Because we are routinely attacked online, we are like, it’s like it mocked and ridiculed and targeted for abuse. And it’s just, you know, it’s another claimer of like, it’s not easy for women to come out and say these things when they do happen. And I hope this doesn’t take away.

Mohanad Elshieky  25:32

I mean, this was like, literally not the first example in the past two years, or, I mean, the same thing, the same exact thing happened when Brett Kavanaugh was being like, you know, appointed for the Supreme Court. And Dr. Ford, I believe, is you know, the person who came out and said that, you know, he assaulted her and all of that. And she had to move houses she had to, and he’s fine. He has a, you know, he didn’t have to move away. He didn’t have to do anything. She’s the one who suffered a lot of consequences. And, you know, he asked me be like, you know, the people did not treat her as bad as like, you know, Amber Heard, obviously, but still, there was a lot of consequences to her coming out and testifying and, and all of that stuff. And that is, you know, that is us talking about a man like Brett Kavanaugh, who was not even like, liked that much, you know, just like a dude. So, you know, like someone like, you know, what, someone else like Johnny Depp or like, whatever, like someone who’s like more likable, it’s hard to date like, you know, take these cases to court. And also like my other question is that has to do with this with this trial. Is there a reason why it was televised? Is there a regular, a usual thing and things like that?

Kiki Monique  26:59

It’s not usual and Amber’s team definitely fought for that. But the judge ruled. No, she didn’t find there was any reason they couldn’t televise it. I think for Johnny, it was a win. But definitely Amber was not interested in having to retell these things live, it was definitely you know, again, and I think there was many reasons this thing this happened in Virginia, right? I think because in California, we don’t get to see anything, I think because it’s like this, like, high profile celebrity state. They don’t you know, we didn’t get to see the Kardashian Blac Chyna defamation trial, we, you know, those sorts of things.

Hoja Lopez  27:40

I can’t even imagine if you didn’t want this televise, and having it have to be televised, like that would blows my fucking mind.

Mohanad Elshieky  27:50

It’s very interesting. Because, like, I feel like, I’m not sure what the outcome of the trial was going to be if this was not televised. But I feel like it was going to be a whole different, a whole different trial. Because this reminds me of something. And this is like, you know, like, an interesting fact that I like learned recently, but, like, an example of that is like, when John Kennedy was, was running against Nixon, you know, and, you know, they have like, the presidential debates and all of that. And the people who listened to the debates on the radio would say, like, Nixon did like, really well, he won this. But the people who watch on TV, like, oh, you know, JFK, that’s so well, he, like, he was so much better. So just like, I feel like, it’s just like to see like, how mediums of communication, like, affect how people perceive these things.

Hoja Lopez  28:44

Because JFK was hot.

Mohanad Elshieky  28:45

And he was like, he knows how to carry like, but also like, knows how to carry himself on stage, or, like, his movements, and all of that he looks more confident. He’s like, you know, he’s more charismatic. And, you know, he’s like, you know, he’s, he’s a Kennedy. And I feel like if this trial, like if we will just like hearing about what was happening inside, from the reporters and stuff like that, I feel like people feelings would have been way more different, but like, seeing it on TV, I like, you know, seeing beloved Johnny Depp just like sitting there and you’re like, you’re not just seeing him, you’re seeing all of the characters you played that you liked. And it was like, you know, projecting that into him. And now instead of becoming a trial, it’s becoming into who’s the hero and who’s the villain like this is to me, this is another TV show. So I have to, like every other TV show, there has to be a villain and there has to be a hero. And he can be like, well, they’re both you know, fucked up. That doesn’t exist.

Kiki Monique  29:42

Now. People do not like you to live in the middle at all, they want you to definitely, it’s good or evil. It’s black or white.

Hoja Lopez  29:52

Yeah, I bet you’re getting a lot of that pressure online. How has it been covering it like what have you been feeling in terms of like people, messaging you or talking about in your social media? Like what are you taking away from, I guess your own coverage?

Kiki Monique  30:10

I think that, honestly, this case taught me to be like, so much more unbiased in every other aspect of my life because I truly did come into this case, not having I didn’t follow the UK trial, I barely sort of remembered sort of what had happened even in 2016. Neither of them were on my radar, which makes sense, because now we’ve learned, you know, they haven’t had work in years, and obviously, then COVID hit and so I hadn’t been thinking about them. So I literally came into this, like, just prepared to watch a trial. And I did. And I think it made me just be able to look at things with more of a nuanced perspective, like I’m able to say, to look at something and say, like, okay, this is the evidence presented in me, what do I feel from this? And what do I see on the other side? And so I honestly, I think that’s the biggest takeaway. But of course, there’s like always nagging at the back of my head of like, but what if we got it wrong? And, you know, I got, you know, a lot of people will send me DMs. And it’s very hard to confirm, right? Whether these DMs are real, whether they’re sending them to me, just because they want me to post them, you know, but I got this one DM after the verdict was read about from a lawyer who wanted to remain anonymous, who had worked on she said, she worked on a Johnny Depp case, like four or five years prior, and had to review some emails attached to this case. And she said that, you know, in this case, in those emails, she saw that there was evidence that he had hit Amber. And you know, and she was kind of wondering if the jury would see some of this, but like, a lot of that evidence hadn’t been entered, because she thinks the communications went through the security guard who has now passed away. And again, I can’t confirm this, this, whether it’s true or not, but when you hear things like that, it just makes you feel like shit. You know, like, what is all the stuff we’re not seeing? But that could go on both ways. What are what are the things that we’re not seeing from Amber’s side, either? I mean, we just have to trust in what’s been presented. And we have to just trust in the jury and the judicial system.

Kiki Monique  30:28

Yeah. Which is known to be perfect. Never got anything wrong. Right. It’s just all crazy to me. Like, I feel like this also, like, says so much about the, you know, the legal system in this country, and like, it could be much better than this. Like, I feel like in a trial like this where like, you have like celebs and stuff, maybe a jury trial is not the way to go. Maybe it should just like be decided by a judge.

Kiki Monique  32:56

But that scares me too. Because now that I’ve learned more about the judge, appointing judge process and especially when you have, that’s even much more political. Right. I mean, there was there was a law just passed recently where the Supreme Court I’m getting it wrong, but something about the Supreme Court is passing back to the States. Like the ability for people to appeal when they think something anyways, it basically unfavored Blacks, minorities, minorities, marginalized of any kind. And it’s like when you hear stuff like that, you’re like, shit, What am I going to do? Like, you know, if a judge is in charge of everything, and this judge has been appointed by somebody who does not have values like mine. Well, what chance do I have?

Mohanad Elshieky  33:50

Yeah, oh, no. I mean, yeah, you’re right. There’s just something about like, me going to trial and they’re like, it’s gonna be a jury of your peers. I’m like, bro, I don’t trust my peers.

Kiki Monique  34:06

These are the people that refuse to wear masks, just so he can go outside again.

Mohanad Elshieky  34:13

Like, have you seen peers lately? Like I don’t trust them with normal stuff, let alone the law.

Hoja Lopez  34:22

I honestly would love to see a jury of all Kiki’s are all those though. That would make me really happy. Just little clones of each other.

Mohanad Elshieky  34:31

Oh, yeah. I feel like a jury of my peers to be like, bro, can you repeat that again? I wasn’t in my own head. I don’t know. guilty or not guilty.

Hoja Lopez  34:43

I don’t know. I couldn’t even understand what you were saying with that surprise accent.

Mohanad Elshieky  34:50

Like a Pisces deciding my fate. Absolutely not. Well, now we’re going to move to our own apologies like we do every week. Sorry, not sorry. So either apologize to someone, or we ask for an apology. And like every week, I’m gonna start with Hoja.

Hoja Lopez  35:32

Yes, I would like an apology from Netflix.com. I’m feeling really chaotic in my life. I depend on Netflix for a lot, you guys, I watch a lot of Netflix. And I just really don’t know what’s about to happen. I’m getting a lot of crosstalk online about whether or not they’re about to charge me $299 for everybody who’s on my account, which I’m not ready to ask people to Venmo me $299 monthly, I’m gonna kick them off. So there’s about four or five people in my life that need to be prepared for that, that if they no longer, if they’re charging me to add people to my account, I will have to change my password. I love you deeply and dearly. But goodbye. And then the other thing is, what is about to happen? Are you going to do ads? Are you going to charge me $299, is this changing? I do have some stock in Robin Hood and Netflix. And I have actually actively, like lost $6 in the past month. So I need an apology from Netflix, I need you to get your shit together and be the decent hard working company that pivots on a dime that you have been in the past. And I hope that it gets issued. I hope that I get it. This is the one that I really want. Essentially.

Mohanad Elshieky  36:48

I get it. I would remove people. I’m like, I’m not paying more. There’s no one that I care for that much. I’m like, go watch your own show. Pay your own money. What are you like, what are you spending their money? $11 on a month? Yeah, just get a Netflix or don’t watch TV? TV’s not that important. Read a book.

Kiki Monique  37:09

And I know you’re hearing crosstalk but I mean, I definitely think it’s going to happen because like I mean, all I ever keep seeing now is like Netflix losing money. You know, and I never believe, whenever I hear about like, companies that side losing money, I’m like, ah, are you losing money? Or you just not making as much money as you projected? Like it’s like, only 6 billion, instead of like 16 billion.

Hoja Lopez  37:34

Is the trust of your shareholders what is actually costing to lose money, but you’re not actually losing money.

Mohanad Elshieky  37:40

Yeah, crazy idea to make more money on like streaming service. Make good TV, Netflix, I don’t know. Have you thought about that? Have we considered making good TV? Do you think that works? Maybe, hey, maybe don’t throw 60 million at one person, and then cancel every good shoulder it is? Yeah, just spit balling here. I mean, what do I know? So Kiki, who owes you an apology this week.

Kiki Monique  38:10

I’m actually going to apologize to my physical therapist because I’ve been going to physical therapy for my you know, my back, my back hurts. I’m trying to like rehab, my back, get my core strength up. And I’ll be honest, I have not moved much again, because of this Johnny Amber trial, like, I’ve been pretty much in a sitting position for the last month. And even though this would be probably good opportunities, I could be doing my exercises I don’t. And I know that I have a physical therapy appointment today. And I did not do any of the I lied. I lied. I said, I did the exercises. I didn’t do the exercises. I haven’t done any of the exercises. And I know that I should just be apologizing to myself because only I will be suffering because of this. But I’m going to apologize to him because today when I go in, I’m going to not it’s not going to be as good as session as Maybe he thinks it’s going to be because I’m going to be like no, I hurt we’re going to start from scratch. We shouldn’t have done this during the trial. When I was a little more active.

Mohanad Elshieky  39:18

Exactly. You should be like why are you giving me homework, too. You do it here and then the second I go out, I’m gonna forget all about it. I’m not gonna do it by myself. I do not self-motivate.

Kiki Monique  39:29

This is why like, I know if I was rich, absolutely fit like a personal trainer would be on the payroll seven days a week because I’ll work out when somebody is there pushing me along the way. I’m very good at that. But like even though I know all the things I’m supposed to do, to do it on my own, I just, I don’t know. I cannot it just I can’t get there.

Mohanad Elshieky  39:53

You know Kiki, what’s the one thing I want If I was rich truly, is a personal chef. I am dying to have, like that will literally change my life.

Kiki Monique  40:04

Personal chef, personal trainer, driver. Those are the three main roles.

Hoja Lopez  40:10

Yeah, I’m trying to think of what I would do if I was very wealthy. And I’ll just subscribe to what you guys are saying and trust that would change my life. I’m like, damn, I would like I don’t know, go eat chicken nuggets for two days and like, traveled to like, go see a safari and get a hot tub on my roof. I would not be a good rich person, you guys, I would be bad at rich, bad rich.

Kiki Monique  40:36

You’ll be the curse of the lotto person.

Hoja Lopez  40:38

I would be the lotto curse. Within three years I’d be dead, you know? So just know what to expect. Also, there is a very great thread on Reddit, to what to do if you win the lottery. So just go on there and check it out. It’s the greatest threat ever. And it truly is, I think what to actually do if you won the lottery. Step number one, don’t tell anyone, not one soul, not your mom, not your dad, not anybody. And then two, retain a lawyer. That’s your second one.

Kiki Monique  41:12

My friend. And I have like new, like, we lived in New York together, we knew where the office was. And we had a code word that when we call and we say that code word to each other, we know what it means. And then we meet because we played a lot of together and then it was like we had our whole. We had a whole plan. It was like, I don’t have an emergency action plan. But I sure have an emergency lotto plan.

Hoja Lopez  41:34

Just go on Reddit. Get that emergency lotto plan, download that PDF baby printed out, keep it in your emergency kit.

Mohanad Elshieky  41:42

Surely also like the telling your family thing, telling your parents that you have made any amount of significant, like, significant amount of money is the worst thing to do. Because they immediately they’re like, first thing started in their mind. Like how does that benefit me and how much can I get? Okay, let’s just start with me here and then we’ll get to you.

Hoja Lopez  42:06

We’ll get to you. Well get to all of you. Listeners, I would give money to our listeners too, I would throw some out there.

Mohanad Elshieky  42:19

I don’t know. I don’t think you know how podcasting works.

Hoja Lopez  42:24

No, I pay them. Yeah, that’s why we have any listeners.

Mohanad Elshieky  42:30

If Hoja gives you money, or if you have money @MohanadElshieky, that’s my Venmo. Send me money. I will accept it. Send me money. So I’m demanding an apology this week. And I’ve been flying a lot lately and Jesus Christ. It’s too much.

Kiki Monique  42:56

Flying the airlines, what’s too much?

Mohanad Elshieky  43:00

I am so tired. So I was in. I went to Montana. I came back from Montana for like a day and a half. And then I went to San Francisco, and like a six hour flight and then three days came back from San Francisco. And now in a day now I’m going to Cleveland and then back. And there’s so much happening. The airports, LaGuardia great job. It’s becoming much better. Love the look. Love everything.

Hoja Lopez  43:30

That tiling is gorgeous. Jesus. It’s beautiful.

Mohanad Elshieky  43:33

Absolutely. So I am demanding an apology from Delta Airlines, which I use a lot. They have your car. They have everything, Delta if you’re listening, please. I took the six hour flight to San Francisco. And if I say like the coldest I’ve ever felt, it did not matter how much I put on me that flight was so cold. It was insane. I didn’t even have my like air on or anything. It was just a very cold flight. And I don’t know why. And I was like, literally just like you don’t like when you go to sleep and you wake up and you’re like freezing cold and you’re like, and even your dreams feel weird.

Hoja Lopez  44:17

They’re being influenced.

Mohanad Elshieky  44:18

Yeah, they need to change. Like, you know what? Give me a blanket. Like, they’re saying like, no you have to be on like Delta 1 and pay $1,000 to get a blanket. I’m like, it costs you $10.

Kiki Monique  44:31

If that like $10 for the whole plane. I’m sure they get them in bulk. Those blankets don’t even fit your whole body.

Hoja Lopez  44:39

And they’re essentially little rags.

Mohanad Elshieky  44:42

They’re the kind of planes that if you die, it’ll just cover your head with it. You know, that kind of…

Kiki Monique  44:51

It’s like when exactly you know it’s like Did they just start taking away these little things that used to always be a blanket in your seat when you got to your seat used to be headphones automatic, and was just like what the airline’s think cutting out those little blankies and like cheap headphones is going to bring them billions and billions of  dollars, please.

Mohanad Elshieky  45:10

You’re not even like getting it like giving people food. Like here’s the thing this is such an American Airline thing by the way, like any other airline that you take like Turkish Airlines, Egyptian airlines, whatever, you get a real meal, you get food, they gave you chicken or something. If I see one more Biscoff or whatever that is.

Kiki Monique  45:33

I love a Biscoff now.

Mohanad Elshieky  45:38

it is not a meal though.

Hoja Lopez  45:44

And I love the little you know the Southwest pretzel and crispy salty bits bag with the brownie brittle. I asked for extras too.

Kiki Monique  45:52

I’ve never been on Southwest but yeah, I definitely get like yeah just the wrap like you’re the only get the rap if you’re going over like five hours so if you’re going across country then you might get that rap and it’s always a turkey rap. I hate turkey. Like not real food.

Mohanad Elshieky  46:11

We should cut this on the podcast and make it like a social, and do not explain the context and it’s just Kiki saying I hate Turkey and our Turkish listeners are just gonna lose their mind.

Kiki Monique  46:25

I’M SORRY is a Lemonada Media Original. The show is produced by Alex McOwen, supervising producer is Kryssy Pease. Our executive producers are Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Our mix is by Kat Yore and theme music was composed by Xander Singh. If you like this show, please rate and review. And please don’t cancel us. You can find out more about our show at @LemonadaMedia on all social platforms, or follow us on Instagram at @imsorry_podcast. We’ll be back next week and until then be nice, play fair and always say I’m sorry. Thanks for listening!


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