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Chelsea Clinton would rather focus on the change she wants to see in the world than think about her age. That’s why we thought she’d be a perfect guest as we all count down the hours until Election Day. (I mean, how do we not let this election age us!?) As the author of several children’s books, she gives us tips on talking to kids about big topics like abortion and climate change. Plus, what she learned from her mom, Hillary Clinton, about aging, why she doesn’t care much for birthdays, and how she makes time for friends, even if it is just a phone call.

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Transcript

SPEAKERS

Chelsea Clinton, Reshma Saujani, David Duchovny

Chelsea Clinton  01:31

Age is more than a number, for sure. Speaking of today, I’m 41 and a half, and age for me is experience. It’s life lived. It’s understanding what is important and what is not the lessons and the things I do now very different from when I was younger. I advocate for myself, I ask questions, I’m firm in boundaries, and we’re accepting and open to different possibilities, the pivots and changes that used to scare me now encourage and inspire and get me creative and excited.

 

Reshma Saujani  02:16

Welcome to My So Called Midlife a podcast where we figure out how to stop just getting through it and start actually living it. I’m Reshma Saujani. Here’s the thing I do think about my age and what I’m learning from the women I’ve talked to on this pod is that maybe I’ve gotten it all wrong. You don’t have to feel like every great thing in your life is behind you, and today’s guest is just another example that midlife might just be a mindset. Chelsea Clinton was 12 years old when she moved into the White House and her dad became the 42nd President of the United States in 2016 her mom was a Democratic presidential candidate. While those two things would likely age any person, Chelsea said she doesn’t feel very mid age. Maybe it’s because she’s too busy to be worried about aging. She’s a mom of three, an author, an advocate and a philanthropist. Her books teach kids about big topics like poverty, gender equality and most recently, Chelsea’s teamed up with her mom, Hillary Clinton and actress Jennifer Lawrence to produce zarawaski V Texas, a doc about a group of women who sued the state of Texas after they were denied abortions. I’m so thrilled. I got to chat with Chelsea about the values her mom instilled in her, about getting older and how she talks to her kids about abortion and just really hard things, because let’s face it, we are less than a week from election day, and I just needed to talk to someone close to it all, someone who has lived through so much of this firsthand and has come out stronger for it.

 

Reshma Saujani  04:02

Hi, Chelsea.

 

Chelsea Clinton  04:03

Hi Reshma.

 

Reshma Saujani  04:04

Let’s get started. Thank you so much for doing this.

 

Chelsea Clinton  04:06

Sure.

 

Reshma Saujani  04:06

So I always like to start the beginning by asking, is there anything happened in the last week of your life where you felt so middle aged?

 

Chelsea Clinton  04:17

No.

 

Reshma Saujani  04:18

So what about oh, it’s okay. We So Emily and I, because you’re a runner too. So you were saying, like, after we go for a run, we have to foam roll. Didn’t have to do that 15 years ago.

 

Chelsea Clinton  04:29

I run six days a week, and I think maybe because I grew up as a dancer, I’ve always stretched a lot. So, yeah, I think the only way I really feel my age, which started I really felt like after I turned 30, actually, was I can’t take red eye flights any longer, and immediately, like, feel like a superhero. I really, really. Really feel travel in a way that I didn’t in my 20s, and that’s been true now for many years. That’s more than like, running or sleep or anything else, where I really feel like, oh, there was something that my body could do in my 20s that it just doesn’t do any longer.

 

Reshma Saujani  05:18

A doctor was just saying, like, women’s bodies are just not meant to be contorted like that for that long.

 

Chelsea Clinton  05:24

That means, like, the sitting or the awkward like, head tilt, maybe I I just it is, though, where I really am keenly aware that something used to be different.

 

Reshma Saujani  05:34

It’s so interesting you say that I just got home from a double red eye yesterday, and I just walked in the house and I said to my husband, I can’t do this anymore. Like, and same thing when I was building Girls Who Code, I used to fly three times a week, and it was like, I was great. I could do I could, like, go for a 10 mile run the next decade, same day, same day. I’m still okay.

 

Chelsea Clinton  05:53

There’s something about like, the overnight flight that just wrecks me in a way that wasn’t always true.

 

Reshma Saujani  06:03

Yeah, all right, I’m gonna try this day to day thing and see if that makes me feel better. So I don’t know if you know about this, but in 2019 the cut wrote about you born in 1980 Clinton is, by my estimation, the first millennial on the cusp of midlife. End Quote, did you, do you ever? Do you remember that article? Did you ever read it and like, are you the first ever millennial to have been on a cusp of midlife?

 

Chelsea Clinton  06:28

I mean, definitely not. I do. I do. Think it’s pretty funny that those of us born between like 1980 and 1985 are sometimes referred to as geriatric millennials, which I just think is funny. Like, funny. I even mean, like, because we’re the old ones of the millennial generation, ergo, like, we’re geriatric in this framing. But I’ve never, I’ve just thought that’s, like, strange, but, like, not offensive, just odd. I’m also not, I’m also certainly not a trained demographer. So like, what do I really know about how these different generations or kind of intra generational nuances are defined? And I mean, I was born on February 27 so certainly anybody born from just after midnight on January 1 to February 26 1980 certainly, has the claim of being more in the vanguard than I do, if that’s even a thing.

 

Reshma Saujani  07:30

So I don’t know if you remember, though, but so the article is five years old, and you were on the verge of turning 40 at that time. Were you thinking about your midlife like when you were right about to turn 40?

 

Chelsea Clinton  07:41

Reshma, I feel like I’m going to be a terrible guest, because I don’t think about that at all. I also recognize like I’m a very healthy, privileged person, like I’m blessed with good health. I have the privilege to get up and go for a run at like, you know, 330 in the morning, if that’s the only time I could fit it in, because I’m not on my way to work, and so I don’t know. I don’t think I’ve ever really thought about my age in any real way.

 

Reshma Saujani  08:10

Are you? Do you still not think about your age?

 

Chelsea Clinton  08:11

No.

 

Reshma Saujani  08:12

That’s, well, listen, this is the journey, right? Because some people midlife is a mindset, like, there are people who are like, I don’t think about this. This is the best time of my life. Like, age doesn’t bother me. And then there’s some people like, I wake up thinking about that I’m getting older, that I feel like I’m getting more irrelevant every single day. It’s actually wild.

 

Chelsea Clinton  08:30

I don’t think about it at all. I mean, my husband’s one of 11 kids, and, like, His birthday was the one day in the whole year that was about him. And so, like, he loves birthdays, he loves his birthdays, he loves his siblings birthdays. He loves his mom’s birthday. He loves, like, our kids birthdays, he loves his friend’s birthday. And he’s always like, We gotta do something for your birthday. And I’m like, I mean, sure, okay, but like, also fine to not. So I don’t think I’ve, you know, I don’t know Reshma. I think so much more about my life in terms of like the mom I want to be and the wife I want to be, in the friend I want to be, and the professional I want to be, and the advocate I want to be, and like the stuff I want to do with my kids or with my friends or with my colleagues, or kind of in the world, like I just, I don’t think about age, even really, on February 27 which is maybe the one day of the year I should be thinking about it.

 

Reshma Saujani  09:27

So can I ask you some because, you know, I love your mom. She’s been a mentor for like, 30 years. Did you get that from her? Or is it just so you think?

 

Chelsea Clinton  09:35

I don’t really ever remember my mom, like talking about her age. I mean, I remember my mom having, I think it was her 40th birthday, and it was at like, a nice restaurant, and that was exciting. And I remember it was at graffitis, which is, like, you know, a fun, nice restaurant in Little Rock and I remember feeling so excited. I got to get, like, dressed up and go to the. They party. And also had my like, trusty coloring materials to keep me occupied, because I think I was the only kid there. And so I have some like memories like that, of like my parents birthdays, and I remember, like, thinking about age and the implications of like age when my father had his quadruple bypass surgery, and how grateful I was that he had an early intervention absolutely saved his life, and thinking about the changes he would have to make to hopefully be able to live another 50 some odd years. But I don’t remember my parents ever really fixating on, like, getting older, like, even now, I think they’re just fixated on, like, the election and the work they want to do in the world, and the people they want to support and champion, and the causes that they want to engage in. Like, it’s just not been a, like, an axis in in my life, I think a little bit because of my parents, I’m sure, and a little bit because of me.

 

Reshma Saujani  11:09

I think that’s right. I think knowing your mom, I think she even now feels like the best years might be ahead of her, not behind her.

 

Chelsea Clinton  11:15

Yeah. I mean, it’s all everything I’ve ever observed my parents to do, and arguably even more so to be, is like every success and setback is like equally treated as a challenge, to just do more and to do better and to be more effective and more impactful. And I never remember my parents even saying anything like by the time I’m whatever, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, so I’ve never thought of my life that way, but I don’t.

 

Reshma Saujani  11:51

I think that’s a really good parenting tip, because I do think for a lot of women, I know, part of their anxiety and their depression is about like, Is it too late for me? Is it too late for me to write that book? Is it too late for me to get that dream job? Is it too late for me to run for office? And so I think that this is a really good, I don’t know, mindset lesson that we should be imparting upon our children.

 

Reshma Saujani  14:03

You have three young kids, and I know you talk to them about the big issues you’re passionate about. Why is that important to you?

 

Chelsea Clinton  15:29

Well, I think, you know, when I talk to them, I like to say it at age appropriate level. I think that is important. I’m not, you know, expecting them to understand, like the contours of the current conversation we’re in about whether or not people understand what a tariff is and kind of what the implications of that are. But I do talk to them, and I have since they were very little about issues, particularly I know that they care about. So you know, especially for my daughter, who’s our oldest, she cares intensely about the planet. She’s worried and also motivated to do what she can around climate change. She has been completely mesmerized by the ocean her entire life. If you asked her, even as a much smaller human, what she wanted to be when she grew up, she would say, first, she wanted to study sharks. And then when she learned that that could be called a marine biologist, she would say, I want to be a marine biologist. And if you ask her still today, she’ll say, I want to be a marine biologist. How old is she? She’s 10. She’s in fourth grade. Like that of course, could change, but it’s also remarkable that she’s had this through line of interest, like since she was two. And also she really it upsets her very much that kind of her, her friends often think like, sharks are only kind of something out of Jaws, instead of, you know, really kind of the great caretakers of the homeostasis the ocean, which they very much are. So I share that because, like, she has always had kind of the curiosity around like, well, what is happening to the planet? And like, what is climate change? And what can I do? And I try to help her understand and her brothers, you know, like, while your mom and dad are making decisions about like, who we vote for, that are going to make, hopefully, big changes in how like energy is produced and consumed, how kind of water is appropriately used. Like, how we think about the future of food and waste and these big issues for you, like, as whether you’re like in kindergarten or, you know, first, second, third, fourth grade. Like, you can think about turning off the water that you’re not using. You can think about recycling. Think about like, unplugging your night light in the morning. Because I do think it’s super important, actually, for kids to engage in small ways so they feel like they are having a small but real impact, and collectively, actually could have a sizable impact, while adults are, of course, hopefully also making small, responsible choices, but kind of pushing our elected officials who have power and agency to help make the big structural shifts that we need to make. And so I do, I talk to my kids about all sorts of things that my like other kids are interested in. How do we have more perks for kids to play in. Like, what does that look like? What does that mean? How do I influence what I’m being served in lunch for school? Right? So it’s just like, but those are the questions that I think we have to be responsive to, because, like, that’s how they’re developing their citizen muscle and feeling like they’re part of community, whether it’s like the school community or like the global community.

 

Reshma Saujani  18:40

I took my son to canvas with nine of his friends. We actually brought like, 20 kids on a bus to Pennsylvania, and it was just amazing, just watching them knock on doors. Talk about democracy, talk to people who may not agree, you know, I mean, may be voting for somebody else, and just to see, I mean, see them appreciate living in this democracy where we actually it was just beautiful. I want to ask you a question, though, on that on that note, what about the hard topic? So we were in the car, and we saw there were a bunch of anti abortion protesters, and Sean, my nine year old, is like, what’s abortion? It’s a big conversation this election. He’s following what’s happening on the news. And I was like, not prepared to actually, what did you say about I kind of said what I would I was like, abortion is a woman’s ability to have control over her body. And I went through the whole thing as if you and I were talking about it. And it was what interesting watching him, because he was processing what I was saying. He had some questions. And I was like, oh, like, this is what I need to do.

 

Chelsea Clinton  19:44

Our daughter has also asked us about abortion because she knows that her grandmother and I have been working really hard to help make and now help promote our films, or else COVID Texas following. Amanda Zoroski and two of the other lead plaintiffs ensuing Texas for being denied medically indicated abortion care. And we too have had conversations that sounds kind of echoing with what you had with your son, like this is about a woman being able to get just health care that she needs when she needs it so that she’s not harmed or even, you know, killed effectively, like by the absence of being able to access that healthcare. And also, it’s about women and girls being able to make the choices that we think are right for ourselves. Our sons haven’t asked that question, but certainly, if our older one did, we would have a similar conversation, and our little one is so little that I would be shocked, but also would on the spot, have to figure out how to navigate that with him too. Mark is half Ukrainian Jewish, and so when Russia invaded Ukraine, or older kids were asking you many questions around, kind of, why did Russia do this? Like, what’s going to happen? Were people killed? Are kids going to be able to go to school? Do we have any family that’s affected? I mean, many questions understandably, and we navigated through being, of course, like, honest. And also sometimes the honesty was, like, we’re going to talk about that when you’re older, right? When they would say, like, well, how are people killed? Say, like, we’re going to talk about that when you’re older, like, unfortunately, like, yes, like, people have been killed. No, we don’t know what’s gonna happen. I won’t say that it’s always like a walk in the park to toe that line with kids when they keep asking. And yet for us, we do think it’s important. So I just kept saying the same thing. And I’m like, you can keep asking, right? And the answer is going to be the same. And actually, like, I so appreciate that you want to understand, because you want to understand. You’re asking questions to help you understand, and I’m going to do the best job that I can as your mom to give you the information that I think like you can absorb right now at 7, 8, 9, 10, and so that’s how we deal with big questions.

 

Reshma Saujani  22:17

I heard you so passionately talk to women in a room when we were together about why this election, why abortion rights, why we need to be loud, active and fight for our fundamental rights. Why is abortion access so important to you? And how has abortion showed up in your life?

 

Chelsea Clinton  22:36

Well, I was a kid in, you know, in Little Rock Arkansas in the 80s and 90s, and I went to public school and had just wildly different experience, candidly, than I would be if I were a public school kid in Little Rock, Arkansas today. I mean, we had not only like routine vision and hearing checks and kind of nutritional information taught, but we had age appropriate sexual and reproductive health education. It was very clear that if you had questions, you could go to the school nurse. I remember when I was in seventh grade, there was an eighth grader that I knew had had an abortion, and I didn’t understand medically what that meant, but I certainly understood that meant that she could come back and go to junior high school, because I think we should allow kids to be kids, and not force kids into parenthood. And I think even on like a gut level, I understood that as what felt kind of morally and ethically correct to me when I, too, was still a kid, and and so it is painful for me, Reshma, that I think about, you know, what we’re doing to women in America, because it’s not just oh, like, what’s happening to women, you know, in Arkansas or in other places that have strict abortion bans where maternal mortality has increased, right? Maternal morbidity, you know, has increased. Infant mortality has increased. Women and girls being forced to give birth to their rapist children certainly has increased. Like, this is what we’re doing in America. I think it’s dangerous when we kind of tried to section off, like, oh, like, look, it’s so sad. What’s happening to these women somewhere else? You’re like, no, this is what’s happening to women in America. Because of what we in America have permitted to happen to women here who just happen to live in a different state than us, but still share, you know, share this country together. So to me, I think if you care about kind of women and girls, if you care about health care, if you care about kind of the fundamental premise and promise of America to pursue, you know, life, liberty and happiness like. You have to care about abortion rates and access.

 

Reshma Saujani  25:02

I couldn’t agree more. I do want to talk about when you were little. So you moved into the White House when you were 12. What were you like when you were 12? I have a feeling you might be very much the same.

 

Chelsea Clinton  25:12

I think so. I was very serious and earnest. I had a few really good friends whom I will forever be grateful my four closest friends came to Washington to be kind of with me, to hang out with me, to keep me company, to laugh with me, and kind of be in awe and curious and excited and all the things with me. In the few days before the inauguration and shortly after, one of my closest friends in the whole world still today is someone I’ve known truly my whole life. She’s six weeks older than I am, and our mothers met in Lamaze class when they were both bad. And so, you know, for me, I’m an only child. My friends have always been hugely important to me, and that was true, you know, at 12, and it’s true for me today. And also, I was always like a pretty serious kid, like I cared a lot about my schoolwork. I cared a lot about ballet, which was my main activity outside of school. By then, maybe actually, really my only activity outside of school. And then later, I was the editor of the yearbook. I was also very involved in my church community, my church youth group as a kid, that thankfully remained true with my new church in DC, foundry, United Methodist. So I mean, and I still, like, am involved with the ballet here in New York City, and still go to church every Sunday, and still have, like, really good friends.

 

Chelsea Clinton  26:40

So I think, I think they love, you know.

 

Chelsea Clinton  26:43

Not that different now that we’re having this conversation.

 

Reshma Saujani  26:47

So let me ask you, you always tell these beautiful stories about how, like when your mom went to go work, she brought you with, and you would watch what she was doing, then she would come out, and she would tell you about it. So is that kind of how you were parented most of your life, and how does that translate to how you parent your kids?

 

Chelsea Clinton  27:06

Well, like on the weekends, I would go to work with my parents if they had to go to for my mom the law firm or my dad the state capital, because it was like back in the era before kind of constant connectivity. And so if you wanted to work, you like, had to go to your office, not like, just open a laptop at home. And I did travel around the state with my parents a lot, like during the summer, on the weekends, which was wonderful, like, I had just so many cool and extraordinary experience as a kid at different festivals around the state. Like, I’d go into the international Duck Calling contest, and Stuttgart Arkansas was, like, one of my favorite parts of the year.

 

David Duchovny  27:49

Wait, what’s Duck Calling?

 

Chelsea Clinton  27:50

Like, it’s exactly what it sounds like. It’s like Duck Calling. And there’s Duck Calling using, like, duck collars, or using your hands. There would be then, like, we would eat duck duck gumbo. It was awesome. Or like, you going to the different like, flower festivals or music festivals, and so, yeah, I always felt like I was part of my parents lives, but also very much felt like living my life was the most important, you know, thing that I could do. And they were always so present for concerts or performances, and certainly now I talk to my kids about like what I’m doing if I’m going out to support the Harris waltz campaign or for a program that we’re working on at the Clinton Foundation, or a class I might be teaching, or a book idea I might be noodling on so very much I care about sharing with them, like how I’m spending my time and energy and how kind of those investments, kind of of self hopefully help lead to change that I Hope to see like in our community or our world, and very much also always show up for them to kind of be present for the things that they’ve been working on and are excited about, because that is very much also what my parents always did for me.

 

Reshma Saujani  31:19

I want to talk to you about women in power. You know, your mom was torn apart in 2016 this election has also been about gender, almost fundamentally, been about gender, in some ways, more than it was in 2016 What do you see that’s maybe similar, that’s different. And you know, what do you what are your thoughts, and how people think about women and power?

 

Chelsea Clinton  32:28

Have you read Mary Beard?

 

Reshma Saujani  32:29

I love Mary Beard. She’s coming on this podcast.

 

Chelsea Clinton  32:32

She good, yeah. I think she elegantly and kind of succinctly lays bare the ways in which different kind of cultures over not only decades or centuries, but kind of millennia, have conceptualized women in power to prevent women from gaining or keeping power, at least Without enormous contestation and and tumult. I think, thankfully, the conversation is different today in 2024 partly because of the experience of 2016 I think kind of more people are more aware of the role that gender plays in every aspect of kind of the consumption of the different campaigns, not only as it relates to Madam Vice President Kamala Harris and her campaign, but also at kind of state and local elections too. That doesn’t say we don’t still have enormous work to do. Of course we do.

 

Reshma Saujani  33:36

Yeah, but it’s better.

 

Chelsea Clinton  33:37

But you but I do think it’s better. Yeah I do.

 

Reshma Saujani  33:40

Yeah, so it’s so interesting, because I’ll be honest people, I was like, You should run for office. And, you know, I’ve run before, lost before, but I’m always like, No, not yet. My kids are little. They’re four, nine, and I’m so terrified of, like, I don’t know, not being there or messing them up, or focusing too much. And I think a lot of women often, whether it’s it doesn’t have to be running for office, but like, don’t do something professionally, because they feel like they have to put their kids before their dreams. But what’s so interesting for watching you are amazing, like your parents, your mother did such an incredible job. You are an incredibly accomplished, busy, active mom who works, and you’re an incredible mother, and so you’ve been able to kind of do both these things.

 

Chelsea Clinton  34:30

Wow, I think there’s a few answers that all of course, are just part of the same kind of overall answer, which is one I did have, the role model, and my mom and my dad, of people that were incredibly busy and also really involved, and if they couldn’t be at something, for some reason, like I had a grandparent there, and I knew they were so sad to not be there. And also that was rare, because they were at most things. Yes, and so I’m so thankful now that, like, that’s the ethos that we have in our family. And also, if, like, Mark and I are both traveling for whatever reason, I’m so thankful again. He comes from a very big village, many of whom, like, live nearby. And so if we can’t be there, like, there’s always a family member there, and they know, like, how sad we are that we’re not there. And they also know we’re at, like, the vast majority of things in their lives, and like, are never going to miss the big talent show or the big play or the big recital. I think the second thing is kind of what I think of, candidly as the convergence of of both privilege and personality, like the privilege of working with extraordinary people who help me prioritize my kids and who can help me forward plan. So if I’m invited to participate in a conference or to give a lecture, or if I want to go somewhere to be part of something or to hopefully make a positive contribution, to look at the calendar for the next, however, many months, and say, if you have to get to California, or you have to get to Geneva to be able to do kind of what you feel called to do professionally, you know, we can’t do it this day because, like, we know you have to be in New York for the school play, or we Can’t do it that day because it’s parent teacher conferences, but the personality of knowing that’s important and also candidly being comfortable being very scheduled, like I have friends for whom it’s really important to feel like they have a little flexibility, flexibility sometimes because creatively they need it to think if they’re kind of writers or flexibility, because they want to be able to take time outside the office or be able to have lunch with a friend, and I’m okay with having very little spontaneity in my life, like I really would like much rather be ridiculously planned, and so I do Think I’m incredibly privileged to have the resources and the platform to be able to have real discretion over my calendar and to work with a really great team of people who helped me do that and also helped me, like, work really hard and show up in lots of places and be super present in lots of different ways for the things that I care most about whether it’s kind of fighting for women’s reproductive rights or working to shore up like early childhood education in this country or to expand like immunization programs around the world. So I think it all, all of those are the answer to your question, like, not just one part of that.

 

Reshma Saujani  37:37

Yeah, no. I think that’s really the point about like, the schedule at the expense of spontaneity actually creates happiness. I think is like an important.

 

Chelsea Clinton  37:48

For me, but I have friends for whom that is not true, but for me that is true. It also, though, originally, like my mark, my husband has this sort of schematic of like, like family, work and friends, and I think we’re both just in a phase of life right now where, like, our kids are also young, and they’re the most important part of our lives, and we also feel incredibly grateful to get to do the work we do often, like sometimes seven days a week too. He is a climate change investor and works incredibly hard, and is like so just driven by what he feels called to do in life. And we don’t see a lot of our friends.

 

Reshma Saujani  38:29

It’s so funny. You say that I was just thinking, right, your social life is what is at you? I mean, what is a back burner?

 

Chelsea Clinton  38:35

Yeah, but I thankfully have, you know, like, friends who live in England, who I can call early in the morning, like after I get back from a run what I’m stretching, or friends in California that I can call at night when I’m trying to, like, wind down and be disciplined about, like, not checking my email because it’s 10pm and I’m gonna have a glass of wine and work on my puzzle. And so I we we stay in touch with our friends, but we don’t really see our friends as much space of life and and yet we know we will again.

 

Reshma Saujani  39:03

Yep, I totally get it. Well, thank you so much. This was a fantastic conversation, and I really appreciate you coming on the pod.

 

Chelsea Clinton  39:11

Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Reshma.

 

Reshma Saujani  39:25

Chelsea Clinton is an author, advocate and philanthropist. Check out her children’s books, wherever you buy your books and remember, like Chelsea reminded us, spontaneity is overrated. I guess that means I’m putting club rush bed arrest. See you next week. We’re talking about divorce. It’s gonna be a good one.

 

CREDITS  39:50

There’s more of My So Called Midlife with Lemonada Premium subscribers get exclusive access to bonus content like midlife advice that didn’t make it into the show. Subscribe now in Apple podcast, I’m your host, Reshma Saujani, our producer is Claire Jones, this series is sound designed by Lisa Phu. This series is sound designed by Ivan Kuraev. Our theme was composed by Ivan Kuraev and performed by Ryan Jewell, Ivan Kuraev and Karen […].Our senior supervising producer is Kristen Lepore. Our VP of new content is Rachel Neel. Executive Producers include me, Reshma Saujani, Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Series consulting and production support from Katie Cordova. Help others find our show by leaving us a rating and writing a review and let us know how you’re doing in midlife. You can submit your story to be included in this show at speakpipe.com/midlife follow My So Called Midlife, wherever you get your podcast, or listen ad free on Amazon music with your Prime membership. Thanks for listening, see you next week, bye.