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Sarah shares a fun fact she learned about elephants and proposes greeting people like we greet dogs. Plus, she helps a trans woman connect with her niece, who recently came out as trans as well, hears a funny story about blowjobs, and gives some backstory to her 2014 SNL monologue.

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Transcript

SPEAKERS

Sender 2, Nadia D, Sender 5, Melissa, Ryan, John, Nicolette, Deborah, Jacob, Sender 1, Sarah Silverman, Mal

Sarah Silverman  00:14

Hi everyone, it’s me your old pal, Sarah Silverman. And I was thinking today, you know somebody, and I think I’ve mentioned it somewhere in the podcast, but my old assistant, Annie Siegel, I remember, told me once that she read, and I guess we can look and see if it’s true, but also maybe irrelevant. But I love this. I need it to be true too much to look it up. But she said that elephants, elephants see people the way people see dogs, like they think we’re the cutest things in the world. And it just made me so happy, and without ever having, in person, seen an elephant, I love elephants so much, I follow so many, like elephant sanctuaries and stuff in like in Thailand on Instagram. But that made me think about how we see dogs and how we see people, and how incredible it would be. It would be such an interesting life adjustment to try to see or greet people the way we see or greet dogs with just this abundance of love and complete absence of judgment. Hi, you know, I mean, you walk down the street, if you’re like me, and someone’s walking a dog, and you don’t say, hi, I’m Sarah, you know, to the person, you go, oh, can I say hi to your dog? And then it’s, it’s as if you’re seeing a long lost friend. Hi, how are you? You are so beautiful, are you happy, or are you happy? Are you a good are you, you know, like, I mean, it’s just this immediate love and interest and absolutely zero judgment. And I said this to Rory last night, because I go, I think I talk about this in the podcast. And he said, Well, the reason we look at dogs with your zero judgment is because they don’t judge us, and that’s true, but if we approached people without any consideration that they may be judging us, without any of that in our mind or or holding us back. Then we are seeing people without judgment, and then that would probably catch on. Anyway, all this to say, I don’t know, it’s just this is I’m I’m posing this. And you guys call in and tell me what you think. What do we got for calls?

 

Sender 1  03:17

Hi, Sarah, I have two questions, one serious and one not so serious.

 

Sarah Silverman  03:22

All right.

 

Sender 1  03:22

I’ll start with the serious one. You talked about how when you were younger, your father was scary, and he yelled a lot, and you were always scared of him. I had that same experience with my father growing up. He did a lot of yelling and was very scary. And your father made some type of drastic change where he, you know, turned into this wonderful person and allowed you to have this wonderful relationship with him before he passed away recently, which I’m terribly sorry about. And my father never did that, and he’s 88 and we don’t have a good relationship, and I really am having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that I don’t like him, I don’t like him as a person, I don’t feel love for him, and I struggle with that, and I’m wondering how you would have handled that had your father not changed. And just wondering if you have any advice for me how to handle that and how to come to terms with that. And I really appreciate you and love you very much, and I don’t have time for my second question, so I’ll send you another message.

 

Sarah Silverman  04:45

Yeah, I got lucky because he got lucky, you know, he went on Zoloft and chilled the fuck out and smelled the roses, and it was beautiful transformation, but if he never changed, like your dad, I probably would not have gotten so close to him. I would definitely want him to feel loved, but would, in actuality, probably keep whatever distance I needed to be well, and it’s okay to do that if you’re feeling you know particularly solid in a moment, maybe a visit with him, where you ask him a million questions, people find that disarming. There must be things you want to know before he’s gone. Might be real revelatory, things you never know, but just to understand him more, I know now my dad’s history and where his rage came from, which didn’t help me as a kid, but it sure helped me as an adult in figuring out and recuperating from my childhood. You know, as we need to be detectives in our own lives, to piece things together, be a detective in his for the same reason. You know, if you want, if you have the strength or interest, you do not owe it to him or yourself, but it might be good for you. You know, do you know his childhood experience? First of all, this kind of attention may be something he secretly seeks, you know, but put a camera on him. That sounds weird, and it’s not something you need to do, but if you’re interested, you know, years ago, I had a video camera before we all had one on our phones, and I put it on my dad and started asking questions, and it was like, he took truth serum, like something about me documenting it made him spill everything. It was wild, I showed it to my shrink at the time, and she was like, Is your father a drug addict? I was like, no like, the most he ever has is maybe half of a Bud Light, but I think it’s just very Heisenberg principal E, you know, knowing there was a witness, not just me, but in a camera, everything just came out, it was fascinating. But, you know, I don’t know if that helps, but ultimately, you don’t have to be close with him. You don’t have to. You can just, you know, have nice encounters with him and but not let him in, you know, if that’s what’s best for you. But this is just a suggestion or an exercise if you want, all right, what else?

 

Sender 2  07:42

Hi, Sarah, long time listener, first time caller, I’ve always wanted to say that I’m walking to work in London from New York. Been here for 25 years, a long walk it’s a beautiful day. No rain at all. Not sure why I had to share that, but I remember after Trump won, I was seeking kind of understanding of what had happened, and I read Hillbilly Elegy, and it really helped me open my mind a bit and understand. But recently, I’ve watched Yellowstone, and it’s had the same effect. And I’m really, I was really surprised by it, because I had heard it was quite conservative and it just really opened my mind to a different way of thinking and way of life. And I wonder if you have had, if you have any other avenues for this pursuit. Thanks so much, you’re great, bye.

 

Sarah Silverman  08:44

I like a lot of red state popular shows, which is great because then I have stuff to talk to with Republicans to talk about, you know, like, oh, did you see that NCIS, when Ziva got blah, blah blah or, you know, did you watch SEAL team? You know, my friend Tony’s on SEAL teams. I was like, oh, do you see SEAL team? You know, blah blah blah. That’s really interesting call, because at the root of it, it’s about the pursuit of understanding more than the pursuit of being right. You know, that was kind of what we were doing with, I love you America, just trying to earnestly understand where they’re coming from. There’s that book that that woman wrote, I don’t remember what it’s called, where she figures out what it is that this kind of hatred of immigrants coming from the right and she I don’t think she’s a scientist or she, I guess, an anthropologist or something. And she said, what it is for them is they feel like they’re in this long line to get whatever privileges are coming to them that they deserve, and that all these black and brown people coming from other places or something are cutting that line. I’m not saying that’s what’s happening, or that I understand it and it’s right. It’s about trying to understand how people are thinking that’s all. You don’t have to agree with it. You don’t have to see it as valid. You don’t have to abandon your own thoughts or moral compass. And I think there’s some kind of fear that if we expose ourselves to the way that other people think, because nobody thinks they’re a bad guy. Everyone in their story is the good guy. So understanding how they’re thinking and how they see only helps us in in getting along, loving each other, and coming to an understanding with each other. These are big concepts that I feel very confident are true, but are difficult in practice, of course, but that’s really interesting to hear that and and I like how Yellowstone has really there are very few things anymore that sweep the nation, no matter what your ideology is. And I think it’s good when we have those things, when we can, you know, it’s not about talking about the issues, it’s about getting along. So if you can talk about Yellowstone with your trump loving neighbor, you’re gonna love them in other ways that you connected in, and then the bigger things that you don’t connect on will be less hard. I’ve always said it there’s a difference between the liars and the lied to who are giving these being fed these lies because they fit, because they’re telling these people It isn’t your fault, it’s these people’s fault. So if we can find an understanding and somehow find a way to love each other, the lied to us and the lied to and in their perspective, them and us the lied to. You know, if we can find a way to love each other, if we can find an in that doesn’t include the people who are giving us narratives, then we can come together and change the way things are happening in our government, that that aren’t right. Because the truth is that I have to believe that in general, we actually agree, but we’re being fed such different things that we think there’s no way we can ever come together. That’s not true. There’s always a way to come together. So the people who are dividing us, they’re the ones that need to be taken out of the equation. Anyway. I’ve really, really digressed, but thanks for calling in, because it it really makes you think, all right, what else?

 

Nicolette  13:12

Hi, Sarah. It’s your pal, Nicolette. I just wanted to share a good old memory I had. This is from when I was in that particular time of age, between being a kid and a teenager, the young teenager kind of knowing what sex is and the concept of it, but not knowing the intricacies of other things, like, you know, foreplay and what that entails, and all that. And I have this memory of one time being an art class with a couple of kids older than me by like, a year or two, and they started talking about blowjobs. And at the time, I knew that had something to do with sex, but I didn’t know exactly what it was. And through the conversation, I started to gather that it had something to do with the male bits. And I was like, blow job, mail bits, oh, man. And I also knew at the time that pubic hair is down there, so I came to the conclusion that a blow job is when one blows on the pubes. This was my revelation when I was a kiddo. I have since learned otherwise when I repeated the story to my partner, immediately I said, I need to tell Sarah, love you.

 

Melissa  14:25

That’s hilarious. Yeah, it really isn’t a blow, but it is a job. No, um, was he gonna say? I this isn’t I don’t know this is interesting, but yesterday we were Rory and I were just like, chatting, like, joking around, oh, we were talking about, I’m gonna regret this. I think I’ve said it before, but I, my pubes are straight. I don’t know why or how, but they are and I, we were just joking around about, like, it looks like I my pubes got a blow out, is this relevant to why am I? What did someone put a camera on me and I’m confessing I’m literally my father from the last question. Um, okay, good story. That was funny ,good story, thanks for calling in, Sarah stop.

 

Deborah  15:17

Hi Sarah, this is Deborah from Utah. I’m a huge fan. I think you’re a genius level comedian. Love the podcast. I really think it’s changed me as a human being. I moved through the world with a lot more open mindedness and a lot more compassion, and so thank you for that. I wanted to ask you about your SNL monolog from 2014 I think it’s so hilarious and so sweet. And I specifically wanted to ask you about the woman whose lap you sat on, Lindsay, because she plays the perfect straight man for your bit, but she does not seem like an actor she is. I feel like it could have gone so wrong if you’d sat on someone’s lap who, like, wanted to match wits with you or talk too much or whatever, but she’s perfect. So I was curious how that process went about. Did you vet her beforehand? Or, I guess, kind of the whole behind the scenes of that monolog, because it’s so great. Thank you, bye.

 

Sarah Silverman  16:15

Thank you. I was very happy with that monolog we just showed a I just posted on my Instagram a short piece of it that where, and it was something I thought of just the night before where, when I wrote there, exactly 20 years before I Jesus Christ, that means it’s been all right anyway, um, mostly what I would do when I was there. I was a writer and I was a feature performer, but most of the times I was on was just like a plant in the audience asking a question of the host. And I remembered that, and I was like, oh, my God, I should take questions from me 20 years ago, like, you know, and that’s what we did. And it was so cool,k and just being able to be like, to love little me and go, like, what is it with all these adorable girls? You know, it was really, it was cute. But then, yeah, that we should post the other part of it too, which is, I went out in the audience. I sat, I knew who I knew I was sitting on the lap of the person sitting at this seat, like it was, like the first seat in the left aisle. You know, that’s all I knew. I didn’t know who was going to be sitting there. But when I talked to the people that seated people, I just said, you know, look for someone who doesn’t seem like they’re excited to be on camera, because that always is going to be a nightmare, just someone who looks like nice, solid person who isn’t like too excited to who you know, and they’ve really she was the perfect person, and she did find me on Instagram years later, and it was really sweet, like, oh so happy to be connected to her, because she was perfect. And it was so fun to be able to be on live television, Saturday Night Live, and to be able to be that loose. So that was, yeah, I was really happy I wasn’t very good, I don’t think in the sketches, per se, but I was really happy with the with that monolog. Thank you for calling in. There’s your there’s your inside scoop, what else?

 

Sender 5  18:32

Hello, Sarah. Stop flirting with me. My question is, it’s more of like something I want to run past you, so I’ve just started watching your special for the second time, someone you love. And I paused and went up to do the cut slitter tray and put on your podcast episode. It was the jorts one. And you reference the special. And I’ve listened to podcasts, I don’t know how long, and it’s the first time, as far as I can remember, you’ve mentioned the special, and it was at the same time I was watching it, and it made me think about, like, coincidence and fate, and like, confirmation bias. And I wanted your thoughts on confirmation bias. So like, say, if you like, not to man’s blame, but like, if you’re watching it, you may know, but if you’re watching a TV series, or you speak, have a conversation with a friend, and they mentioned, say, I don’t know the local, I guess grocery store or they mentioned, like a very niche, specific topic, and then you go in about your day, and it comes up again. What do you think on that? Is that coincidence? Is that confirmation bias? Because it’s almost like your mind goes to the place of like because it’s been mentioned now it’s a relevant thing? Or is it fate? Is it coincidence? I don’t know, but I wanted to know what you thought about fate. Could about fate, coincidence? Does everything happen for a reason? Oh, yeah, as a human species, is global warming gonna end the world? Is it okay if Donald Trump becomes president again? Okay? I love you, lots and lots of jelly tots gross.

 

Sarah Silverman  20:01

I don’t know if things happen for a reason, but it’s worth believing that, because either way, it is what is. And I’ve been thinking about this for a while now, when you learn a new word and then you suddenly hear it everywhere, that’s a thing, right? I actually don’t think that’s coincidence. I think we are intellectually deaf and blind to most things, and as we learn them, we are suddenly able to hear or see those things. You know, people aren’t suddenly saying the word, we’re just now hearing it. I’ve been wondering if this is only our ignorance that keeps us from like teleporting and shit. You know, maybe it’s just that we don’t know how to fully use our brains. We only use a tiny percentage of our brains. That’s why I love those movies like Limitless and Lucy and stuff, where they you you know, they’re suddenly able to, they take a pill, and they’re able to access all of their brains, and then it’s like, they know everything, not because it’s magic, but because so much goes into our brains as we go through life, over years and years and years, we just don’t remember it. We don’t know how to access it. That’s why, like, when I can’t remember someone’s name instead of googling it, I just, like, pretend to take the limitless pill, and I’m like, it’s in there somewhere. Just find it, just access it, I don’t know. All right, there you go, that’s my take. What else?

 

Jacob  21:28

Hey, Sarah, this is your best friend, Jacob. I called a while ago about what it looks like when Sarah Silverman sits down to write, and now I’m going to be in a very low budget indie movie that my friend is making, and now I want to know what does it look like when Sarah Silverman acts. I always love the little tidbits of advice I hear in actor interviews. I think I remember someone saying once, if you want to cry on a scene, the best way to accomplish that is to look like you’re not trying to cry, yeah, to hold it back. So I wondered if you had any really short tidbits to share about acting and what that looks like and how you get into it. Thanks, I love you, bye.

 

Sarah Silverman  22:21

I’ve heard that too. That’s, that’s really great advice. I mean, listen, I’m, you know, I’m a comedian, and that’s my main job. And I couldn’t possibly tell you my process of writing a joke like, I still don’t, can’t break it down. You know, there are people that can teach well and and people that can do things but not teach well. So I don’t know where I fall in that, but I, yeah, I’ve heard that too about, you know, like that a lot of a character can be what they’re trying to hide. You know, a lot of a character can be what they’re trying not to reveal and what they desperately don’t want people to see is a interesting way to go about who you your character is. I mean, ultimately, acting is just like real good pretending. You know, think of this person you’re playing, make choices about them, maybe mold them after someone you know very, very well, embody that person and go, You know you’ve already played many characters. Who are you when you’re with your old high school friends? Who are you when you’re with your mother? Who are you around a crush? None of us are a monolith. None of us are one thing, we’re all many things, and you can draw from all those pieces of you. I don’t know there’s a little something, my two cents. Maybe it will help, maybe, well, not at all. What else? Good luck.

 

Ryan  23:56

Sarah. It’s your big fan, Ryan from Lancaster, PA just heard your episode talking about wishing your bidet and toilet would make a noise like yum when you go to flush, but I kind of already think it does, if you just picture it’s like Cookie Monster down there when you flush going.

 

Sarah Silverman  24:19

The reverb on that alone was very satisfying. Thank you for this. Thank you so much for this. Perspective, really is everything you know. Thanks for reframing this for me, I’m gonna really enjoy flushing right now as I go to take my pee break.

 

Nadia D  24:42

Hi Sarah, it’s Nadia D I wish I was your best friend. I used to live in LA and go to Largo all the time watch John Bryan shows every Friday, and I really miss it magic. I have two questions for you. The first one is, where can we hear the music of the bed wetter with you and Adam Schlesinger, I love Adam Schlesinger. He’s my favorite musician of all time, next to John. The second question is a little deeper. I’m trans, and I came out to my family about two decades ago, and they decided to all get together, and my father said that they’re going to disown me. And that was five siblings, and my mother lost her battle with cancer, and I wasn’t invited to the funeral. Since then, my oldest brother had two kids, and one of them, turns out, is trans, and she contacted me and said, hey, Auntie, I miss you, and she’s since convict convinced my brother and their family to come up. So what would you say to that? What type of advice would you give me? I don’t know how really to deal with it, but they’re coming up here in the next week or so. So I just wanted your advice. I mean, I’m gonna, you know, forgive them. But what would you ask? Thank you, Sarah, I love, I love, love, love your podcast and the great advice you give so even my therapist said I should call you, thank you, Sarah.

 

Sarah Silverman  26:07

Nadia, wow, that’s so heartbreaking, and I’m so sorry for you, and I’m so sorry for them, that that’s how they handled that 20 years ago and all that they missed out on. And I can’t imagine how many feelings and conflicting emotions you must feel around them coming out, you know, I’m sure there’s parts of you that are like, fucking see or that’s what you know. This is, you know, whatever, it must bring up a lot of feelings. And as wonderful as it is, and potentially is, I’m sure there are feelings of frustration and feelings of defensiveness and a lot going on, so you want to sort through that before they arrive, because I know it must feel like there’s so much on this visit for you and for your niece, the best way to set the table is to do what you need to do, to be very zen, to to have to find a way to have love and forgiveness and care. You don’t have to be mother fucking Teresa. You’re a human being. But I wonder if a way to do this is to really make it about your niece and to help your brother be able to give her everything she needs that you never got. I mean, boy, that really makes me think of that Gary Shandling quote, give what you didn’t get. There’s something so beautiful about it, and let yourself feel good about that, and that will hopefully carry you through, you know. I mean, ideally, your brother does a big Mia Culpa and apologizes for the past 20 years for he was probably a kid too, being influenced by his dad and and wanting to be in favor and, and this is someone who he’s probably always looked to for doing what is right and, and he didn’t do what was right. But I don’t know what 20 years ago was, how young your siblings were, that they all went along with it, but it’s, it’s really, I’m trying not to say gross, but it is and but who your brother, your family, your siblings, your father, were 20 years ago, hopefully, is not the same now, certainly with this brother, this is an opportunity for him to do what he should have done with you, and maybe just didn’t have the tools to be able to do it. So you got to go into this rooting for him, I think, and the hope is that this makes you close, and certainly you are an absolute gift to your niece. I’m assuming this is a trans girl, so if I’m saying the wrong pronouns, make them right in your head as you listen to this, but what a gift you are to her, because what you went through, she hopefully doesn’t have to. And that’s what all of us, older people, hope for people who struggle with similar things as us in the later the next generations, that it’s easier. And that’s why, as you know. So many people in the gay community are like, it’s so easy for kids today, you know, it’s like, they’re so everything they sacrificed was for that but it’s not like, you know, because they’re spared a lot of that. They don’t understand what was sacrificed for them or what was fought for for them, and you just can’t be in your ego about it, but I think this is really beautiful, and, gosh, I would love it if you called back and let us know how it goes, because I know I’m on the edge of my seat, and I’m sure the listeners are too, and good luck. And I love you and all that you’ve endured and everything that you are, all right, what else?

 

John  30:45

Hi, Sarah. It’s your friend John from Texas, how are you?

 

Sarah Silverman  30:49

Well.

 

John  30:49

Love you love the show. I’m an actor and costumer here in Texas. I work both sides of the camera to maintain a living, and I’ve been single for, like, over seven years now, but I also refuse to join any of the dating apps. I think my reasoning behind it is, like as an actor, I’m already dealing with so much rejection that I don’t want to open up like more apps for more avenues of rejection, but it’s been hard to meet someone, and I’m not gonna lie, at first, I need to work on myself, and I think I’ve done the work with my therapist for a while, and I love me. I think I’m in a good place. I do have some slight body image issues, but I think everyone does to some extent, sure. So I think I’m gonna try to kill two birds with one stone. There’s a gay bar here in town that does like an underwear night, and I think if I go to that, it’ll force me to, like, be more comfortable with my body and maybe meet someone. But I don’t know if that’s a bad idea. I don’t know, what are your thoughts on this? I haven’t been with my therapist in a while, so using you, and if so, I need to go buy new underwear anyway, thanks.

 

Sarah Silverman  31:59

I think it’s a good idea, why not? You know, there are plenty of people that will be honored to love you exactly as you are, and those are, of course, the keepers. So whatever your Michigan says with your body, doesn’t you know, that’s yours and, you know, listen, I have my things, but I also know, and even if I’m wrong, who cares if this is what I know that it’s a lot of it is cognitive distortion, and people think I’m good looking, and so I’m just gonna trust that I am. I mean, who fucking cares, you know? But if you are willing to do that, go on the apps, like, come on. Oh, you know, I mean, listen, I know the whole body thing, you know, in that community, but it’s not everyone in that community. And you know, I think I’m pushing apps, because it seems to be where people meet people. You know, it used to be like a bar, and to me, it seems like that’s so much better than a bar. I mean, obviously you want to meet people in person, but there are certain things that might be hard and fast things you want or don’t want that you can filter out with the app, and then what’s presented to you fall under the purview of what you’re looking for. And you know, if the person you like doesn’t like your picture or whatever, that’s up to them, like it’s, it isn’t your problem, but you might really, you know, I mean, my sister met her husband on Bumble I’m all for it. You know, if you know you can’t handle it ego wise or whatever, then you’re protecting yourself good. But if you want a partner, you’ve got to put yourself out there to potentially be rejected, and everyone’s been rejected. People are not you know, someone who’s perfect for you is going to be the wrong person for someone else etc, and in reverse. So I don’t know. I think you’re braver than you think. I think you should go for it. All right, what else?

 

Mal  32:00

Hi, Sarah. I love you. It’s your best friend, Mal from Phoenix. I just lost my mom, and it’s been very difficult. I know you know how I feel, and I’m really sorry for your loss as well. I um, I’m just having a really hard time with my family, my dad, my brother and his family. Even before my mom died, I just I feel like we’ve been left out of family functions and just fun times. And I have two kids, and I just feel very left out, and it just hurts not being included in fun, important things. One of the main things that just happened was they went on a trip up north and decided to spread, spread some of my mom’s ashes. And I found out, and I was kind of hurt that I wasn’t there for the first spreading of her ashes. And I just I don’t know how to feel about it. I don’t know if I should address it with my family and let them know that my family not being included on things like this really hurts, or if I should just stop contact with them.

 

Sarah Silverman  35:41

I’m, I’m kind of stunned. I mean, why would you not be invited to spread your mom’s ashes? You know, maybe can you call a family zoom, um, you know, maybe get on, get on a call and just say the truth, you know, say, hey, I love you guys, and I was really hurt that I wasn’t invited to spread mom’s ashes. Please include us in the in those things. You know, I don’t want mom being gone to divide us. You know, the truth is good because it’s, you can always stick with the truth, because it’s the truth and, you know, I mean, it’s how you feel. I don’t know if you know. Is there any part of you that knows why this is the case or it’s very odd, especially for your kids, you know? Um, to be a part of a bigger family, you know, and and be a part of a ritual like that. I don’t know it’s very odd, but and you probably feel angry and hurt, of course, you know nothing’s going to change unless you tell them how that makes you feel. And, you know, I don’t know if you are including them in things that you’re doing, you know, and I have no idea the whole the big picture, but all I can say is, if you talk to them about how this made you feel, that might change things, that’s all I got. I mean, I don’t know what else to say, but I’m so sorry that must really hurt. And you know, unless there’s some part of you that prefers the being hurt over the speaking up for yourself and your kids. That’s something to look at but, yeah, you should be a part of this stuff and at least have the option to and they should want to invite you. You know, I don’t know your family dynamic, but good luck, dad, wherever you are, this is the time in the podcast when I say, send me your questions. Go to speakpipe.com/theSarahSilvermanpodcast. That’s speakpipe.com/theSarahSilvermanpodcast. And subscribe, rate and review wherever you listen to podcasts, do it, that helps us stay on the air. And there’s even more of the Sarah Silverman podcast with Lemonada Premium subscribers get exclusive access to bonus questions, like one from a caller who doesn’t know if he should keep letting his friend borrow money. What are the chances I told him to keep doing it. I don’t know, subscribe now in Apple podcasts. Thank you for listening to the Sarah Silverman podcast, we are a production of Lemonada Media. Kathryn Barnes and Isabella Kulkarni produce our show. Our mix is by James Sparber. The show is recorded at the Invisible Studios in West Hollywood. Charles Carroll is our recording engineer. Additional Lemonada support from Steve Nelson, Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Our theme was composed by Ben Folds. You can find me at @SarahKateSilverman on Instagram. Follow the Sarah Silverman podcast wherever you get your podcasts, or listen ad free on Amazon music with your Prime membership.