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Who’s that tall, dark, and handsome guest gracing The Dylan Hour? Why, it’s the baddest cowboy themselves, E.R. Fightmaster! With the writer and actor on the premises, the studio transforms into the set of a Western, whiskey and all. We talk horse girls and horse bites, and reflect on everything from the old haunts of our Midwestern college days to the truly haunted drinks we used to consume. Saddle up!

Hear E.R. as co-host of the hilarious, queer sports podcast Jockular. And starting April 20, catch them on tour as FIGHTMASTER with the singer-songwriter Orla Gartland.

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Transcript

SPEAKERS

Lemonada, Speaker 3, Caller, Dylan Mulvaney, E.R Fightmaster, Speaker 1, Speaker 2

Dylan Mulvaney  00:00

Howdy y’all, welcome back to the Dylan Hour now you at home. Might be wondering, Dylan, why are you wearing a cowboy outfit? And I’m asking myself that same thing. Now, it’s because I was on FaceTime with my guests for today, and we were talking yesterday, and I was looking at them, and I thought, now that’s just the most, most masculine person I’ve ever seen my whole life. And I thought, how could I really change it up here at the Dylan hour and do a little gender fuckery. And this person’s helped me very specifically with my gender fuckery. So I thought, let’s give a little let’s give a little mask for mask today with a dear friend of mine, an actor, a comedian, an incredible cowboy, a singer, a songwriter. They do it all. It is my dear friend. E.R Fight Master, welcome. The butcher’s thing about you right now is the pink eyeshadow. And you know what we did do two episodes today, and so I had something a little bit more femme before. Okay, did you think that, like, I just specifically, like, I was like, I was wearing this outfit. I was like, it just needs a little.

 

E.R Fightmaster  02:42

Yes, I that’s 100% what I thought.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  02:44

But it is like, soft Butch.

 

E.R Fightmaster  02:46

I love that. You think that soft Butch is like Vaseline.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  02:53

And what is this? Cowgirl, your FM, sweetie.

 

E.R Fightmaster  02:59

Okay, we’ll take you will take it. Fightmaster.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  03:03

Do you like, ER fight?

 

E.R Fightmaster  03:05

Well, I fight for you. We’re family. I thought so.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  03:10

Was this the first time you’ve worn cowboy clothes like this?

 

E.R Fightmaster  03:13

No, I mean, you texted me, or we were on face. I mean, you were like, I’m gonna wear a cowboy outfit. I was like, well, I’ll have to pick some options, because that’s a lot of my wardrobe.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  03:21

You do, you commit to the bit every.

 

E.R Fightmaster  03:24

Thank you.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  03:25

I forgot to take out my second piercing. It’s giving me away.

 

E.R Fightmaster  03:28

Oh, damn, yeah, that’s the thing.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  03:30

Fight I haven’t seen you in so long with so much to catch up over. And I think first we have to introduce we have a very special drink for you today, and the title of that drink is, it’s called the next best thing, because fight master here famously asked for Glenn Glenn fittedch Scotch whiskey, which this morning I went to buy on Uber Eats, and it was $300 and you know what I said? I said, we’re gonna get fight the next best thing, and that is Glenn live it. And it’s still that was still pretty expensive.

 

E.R Fightmaster  04:08

Was it like a bottle of, like, 300 year old.

 

E.R Fightmaster  04:12

It was the good stuff. Because.

 

E.R Fightmaster  04:15

No, that’s […] $47 okay.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  04:18

Well, we got the $47 one, and it’s called the Next Best Thing. Now here’s something I don’t drink dark liquor, so we’re gonna see how long this lasts. And if we switch to a PBR, we switch to a PBR.

 

E.R Fightmaster  04:31

I don’t judge. Okay, cheers.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  04:35

Notice they put us on two separate couches, because the sexual tension is just too strong. They knew what would happen. They knew how was that God.

 

E.R Fightmaster  04:42

That’s fucking ah, first alcohol the day, which you probably shouldn’t say,

 

Dylan Mulvaney  04:47

Whoa. Oh no, I love the ice. I love that I love that liquor, whiskey, you my favorite drink.

 

E.R Fightmaster  04:59

You are my, one of my most favorite people on Earth, because the thing that you know how to do least is masculinity.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  05:09

I am famously very bad. I actually, I’ve built a large brand off of such a thing. But I think if there was anyone to learn it from it would be you.

 

E.R Fightmaster  05:21

I don’t want you to learn it you’re you’re too good at being femme. I think if you tried to teach me femininity, it would bounce off in the same way that masculinity bounces.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  05:27

It’s crazy, because you are my dad and so biologically, famously, most dads are a little disappointed when their their children, their sons, don’t deliver. But now being your daughter. Yes, it’s actually good that you want me in dresses.

 

E.R Fightmaster  05:43

I do well, I think it’s that really toxic thing that I see a lot online now, which is, like, Do you want a gay son or a thought daughter? And all the men are like, thought daughter, and I’m, I don’t know a lot about being a pervert, but.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  05:55

Today I am your gay son.

 

E.R Fightmaster  05:57

You’re my thought daughter.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  05:58

I’m your thought I will say, like, if I specifically wore the shirt open for our next statement, which is bitter and sweet, which this is the most bitter drink I’ve ever tasted my entire life.

 

E.R Fightmaster  06:12

Well, I told your team that I also was like, maybe we’ll do a dirty martini and then I’ll make Dylan eat an oyster. So I think I’m a little like.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  06:19

I would have slurped it down happily next next time. Also I did. I lasted about 30 seconds as the masculine person that I wanted to be for you.

 

E.R Fightmaster  06:33

If that that’s a the amount of time that it takes me to keep and hold a good like feminine archetype going like this, oh my god. Oh my god. Well, now that you’ve spinning it, that’d be a little bit more water. I was gonna cut, cut the taste.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  06:47

I’m done.  I tried so hard for you, but what I was getting to is our next segment. It’s our first segment here at the Dylan Gour called Bitter and Sweet, beautiful that that’s bitter as fuck. We’re talking rosenthorn of our weeks here. What are you feeling bitter about and what are you feeling sweet about this week?

 

E.R Fightmaster  07:07

Oh, shit, that’s hard. You go first.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  07:09

Okay, I’ll go first. I’m I’m a little nervous that maybe I’ve talked about this before, because it’s a real ongoing theme on my body. My my armpit hair is growing in a crazy way again, and after getting so much laser hair removal, you wouldn’t believe, like, the amount of money I’ve given these are growing thick, thicker than it was before. And maybe that’s good for today, actually, but for the other episodes, not so much.

 

E.R Fightmaster  07:33

Yeah, and you’re pissed about this, this is not your rose.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  07:37

I mean, well, in theory, like, because I’m, like, in my soft Butch era, I’m kind of like, maybe we like that, but I also am pissed, because that means the money that I’ve spent is not going to the just cause.

 

E.R Fightmaster  07:50

You know what? I’ll join you there as a thorn. I was looking down at my leg hair while doing hot yoga the other day, and I have on my shins a forest and on my size, not a peach fuzz. Where did it go? I I don’t. I think it’s because I shaved my calves as a, like, as a kid when I thought I was, like being a girl, but I didn’t shave the thighs because I was like, no one’s gonna see that. And now it’s just like a beautiful, like tall woman’s leg up top, and then, like a hot male tennis player at the bottom.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  08:22

What if you started shaving the peach fuzz the top? Yeah. Maybe that’s what we do today. Maybe that’s what we do today, the one day I didn’t bring a razor to get my five o’clock shadow on air. Okay? And then let’s talk our well, actually, what we needed to get to was the suite, which is why I kept my top open. My boobs, since I’ve seen you, have grown exponentially. They look incredible. You’ve said nothing in the past 45 seconds.

 

E.R Fightmaster  08:48

We bought once again, you’re my daughter. That’s fair. I have there. There are limits to what I’m supposed to say.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  08:54

As your daughter, I’m telling you that you needed it, that this happened.

 

E.R Fightmaster  08:58

Sweetie, as I saw you, they they’re turning into full t, i, d, d, i e, s.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  09:03

I know. And Tiktok might even be blurring, like, this could be a censored image at this point.

 

E.R Fightmaster  09:07

That would be huge.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  09:08

I know. And it’s there’s something so, like, I got past that point where now I’m like, Oh, I could be in mass clothes, but my tits look so good that you still aren’t worried.

 

E.R Fightmaster  09:17

I like that your full nip out, because I got such, actually, like, deceptively beautiful bazangas That, like, I could not be in a tank top acting, yeah?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  09:27

Like you are the guest. So if that’s what you want.

 

E.R Fightmaster  09:31

I know everyone would start treating me differently. I would get, like, a lot of favors done for me. People would walk me out to my car.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  09:36

That’s right, and and, like, we would start probably getting a lot of things, which you know us being that our drink is the next best thing. I think in a lot of ways, we’re the next best thing. If Adam driver isn’t available, fight Master, please. You call Dakota Fanning. She can’t get a hold of her. You call me. That’s that is the theme for you. What’s that?

 

E.R Fightmaster  09:55

That was a good one for you.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  09:57

Do you Dakota Fanning?

 

E.R Fightmaster  09:58

Yeah, thank you. I could really see that.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  10:01

I think about her playing me in like, like a beer gate, sort of like movie, obviously they wouldn’t hire a trans person to hire a train.

 

E.R Fightmaster  10:07

Oh, no. I think she has played a trans person before, yeah.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  10:12

Follow her up, bitches, what’s your sweet of the week?

 

E.R Fightmaster  10:17

My sweet of the week is that I’ve recently gotten addicted to birding. I know I’m like, literally, I’m like, learning bird calls and like, looking for birds. I know it is a very dad thing to do. I know, sweetie, I bought, I bought binoculars and everything. I’m like, really down there. Give us a few.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  10:35

Like, what? What are some?

 

E.R Fightmaster  10:36

Oh, see, I would rather die than do that publicly. I am in my apartment, being like, okay, so gorgeous stone pigeon, that was a great pigeon, yeah, that’s a raven, yeah, or American crow. That’s a chicken. That last one was a chicken. That’s incredible. You got nothing for us? No? Because I’m trying to, like, right now, I’m, like, trying to figure out the difference between, like, a wren and a titmouse. But the good news was that

 

Dylan Mulvaney  11:12

Titmouse is right here. You could be the red,

 

E.R Fightmaster  11:14

Hey, that’s a tit wrap. Those things are huge.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  11:19

So Dad, if you’re my daddy, who’s your daddy?

 

E.R Fightmaster  11:23

Shane, from the L word.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  11:25

Oh, I’ve never seen it.

 

E.R Fightmaster  11:32

Yeah, that’s fine together. No, it’s cool. Yeah, I don’t think it’s important for you to have seen one.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  11:40

Or the old one.

 

E.R Fightmaster  11:43

The old one, well, the old one, because I think the old one is fun for people that are, like, very, very queer, because there’s still something like 90s offensive about it, where they, like, say, shit, but you just absolutely can’t anymore. Teasler, probably, maybe, but more like that, like, bisexual men don’t exist, like, just stuff that, like, right now, like the new L word did such a good job, like, being so inclusive, and the old L word was, like, fully, like a hate crime, but like.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  12:11

Tandem, so good.

 

E.R Fightmaster  12:15

Yes.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  12:16

Okay, so who’s Shane?

 

E.R Fightmaster  12:18

Shane is, I think still, I think uses she her pronouns, but Shane is probably a lot most people’s gateway drugs, gateway drug into the queer world.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  12:30

And that was the craziest pivot I’ve ever seen on the Dylan hour, because I’m sitting next to my gateway to transdome.  Well and sip to that honey. And on that note, we’re entering sip and spill territory here at the Dylan Hour where and we got a lot of things to spill. And I’m gonna now open my beer because I’m not fucking with that ever again.

 

E.R Fightmaster  12:55

I’ll join you in the beer town. This is, this is gonna absolutely fuck up, man.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  12:59

For $48 you’re gonna love it.

 

E.R Fightmaster  13:02

I’m about to call my partner and start a fight.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  13:06

Yeah, let’s do it. So you were my gateway. You were my first non binary person I ever met. I pretty sure, unless that something else popped up, but we were doing a show at UCB in LA, I was doing the Book of Mormon, and we had, like a one night sort of UCB comedians versus Mormon cast members.

 

E.R Fightmaster  13:26

Yeah, improvisers and and beautiful Broadway singers came together to sing improvised music together. Remember that I do we sing a song about possums.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  13:34

And that is also a large theme of this podcast, is yes. How many times can I mention a possum I had never done anything like that before. I was really nervous and scared, and you kind of ended up being my, my partner. We were doing musical comedy, and so somebody was like, started playing piano, and then I was like, I have a pet boss. And then you were like.

 

E.R Fightmaster  13:58

Probably, I think that’s awesome, yes.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  14:01

And it was this crazy moment of, not only who is this, like, super tall person in a turtleneck that, like, makes me think all these things about myself and is making me question my life, but also I’d like to know them forever.

 

E.R Fightmaster  14:16

Hmm, I remember that because I remember we went out to dinner that night, and I remember not quite being able to put my finger on you, because something was not, something did not feel right, and it was, I didn’t think you were a bad person. I was just like, what is there’s something missing here. And then later on, you, we, you came over to my house, I think in like, 2020, yeah, my hair, yes. Oh, and that, yeah. Oh my God, in that beautiful sweater.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  14:40

Later, the chunky knit, bitches, she’s out there. You know, the chunky knit, yeah, Nathan kind of showed up at that campfire. It was like, me, Caleb hair and you Yes, and everything made sense. Everything made sense. But I’m telling you, I, I remember meeting, it was like, There’s something about you. And then I, I found out you were non binary. And then. Was like, What is this? And that’s when we literally went into lockdown, I think, like a week later. And so I really sat with that for a long time, and then you were the first person I can’t I moved up to La because I said that’s the only place non binary people can live, apparently, because that’s fight master still from LA and in it’s been crazy ever since.

 

E.R Fightmaster  15:22

I know, I’ve loved it. I’ve loved being a part of your journey. I’ve felt really touched along the way. And you know, obviously the world knows this about you, but you are so good at articulating your journey that it’s, I think it’s helpful, even to people that have been in the game a little bit longer, to see the way that you’re articulating it, because a lot of us were driving blind.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  15:40

But I don’t think you’re I think that I actually one of my favorite parts about you is that we can joke about these, like, really tricky, sensitive topics in a way that might be potentially problematic even in this moment, but is really fun. Like, I don’t if you can’t find the funny in it, I don’t know, like, how to find a way in to, like, even gender as a whole. And I think a lot of the videos I was making, I was like, how can I find silliness in something that is so scary to so many people? And you made me feel like I could be silly. And you also made me feel like it was actually like a really like okay thing to do.

 

E.R Fightmaster  16:18

Oh, man, you were so fun. Right around that period, I remember everything was changing for you, and you were doing, you were starting to do tiktoks, about the possums that you currently had in your studio apartment. And that’s tea. And I went over there. You saw the you met the possums. I know the few., I’m not them in that studio apartment. I met them yeah, and that I was the I say it speaks to who you are, that I didn’t think you’d lost it.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  16:47

Oh, that it was, well.

 

E.R Fightmaster  16:48

I came over there, there’s my friend has a apartment full of possums. And I was not like, oh my god, she’s nuts.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  16:54

You’re so happy for me, because it was also, that was also a gateway, I think, into my transness. Was raising possums as it does. It does it takes a specific kind of person.

 

E.R Fightmaster  17:03

Don’t, let’s cut that.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  17:07

How about if you were gonna raise some kind of crazy animal in your house? What  it be?

 

E.R Fightmaster  17:12

Oh, man, Jesus, I don’t know. I animals. The only animal I really want in my house as a cat, I they’re so clean and lovely. I love cats. I don’t want anyone else in there. I don’t even want human beings in there to make.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  17:28

No dolphins, no.

 

E.R Fightmaster  17:30

Well, I don’t think I should be one on one with the dolphin. I think I might try stuff. I’ve always thought dolphins are hot. No one’s I mean, you’re not supposed to say that. But like, I master please. How many times have we heard about that stop? This is getting crazy when anybody’s in the water with a dolphin too long. What happens?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  17:47

Well, we have some other things in common, other than just our transit, which is the Midwest pipeline. Yours started earlier than mine, but you grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I went to college in Cincinnati, Ohio, and we went to the same college, right?

 

E.R Fightmaster  18:06

Yes, yeah, you went, but you went to CCM. I was like, the all star.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  18:12

Hey, now, it that was, it was probably a very different experience for both of us, right? Yes, but what’s your like? Overall take on Cincinnati.

 

E.R Fightmaster  18:23

I think Cincinnati has made some serious changes since I was growing up there. I think it’s for the better. I think it’s made it’s a much more friendly city. I don’t think when I made it my really Midwestern experience, it wasn’t like people were outright there was a lot of outright hatred, but there was a lot of outright everybody’s white, everybody looks the exact same. You know, I didn’t know what a gay person was for a very long time because it was just not talked about.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  18:49

Now, you do

 

E.R Fightmaster  18:53

What? And now I really do.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  18:54

Yeah, okay, and Bev, you been back to Cincinnati recent?

 

E.R Fightmaster  18:57

Yeah, I have, and it’s gorgeous, and I’m happy for everyone there. I can’t believe it. I’m jealous.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  19:03

Food and the rent is so inexpensive. It makes me so sad. I had the most beautiful apartment, I think, was $400 a month.

 

E.R Fightmaster  19:09

It’s so fucked up.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  19:10

It’s really sad to think about, because I wish we maybe would. Is this us moving to Cincinnati in our cowboy outfits? MD, transitioning to move to Cincinnati.

 

E.R Fightmaster  19:19

We could do Northern Kentucky dress like this, it’s a stone.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  19:22

You ever gone to the ghost bar in the bobby Mackey’s?

 

E.R Fightmaster  19:26

No, what is that like Northern.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  19:27

Kentucky, honey. So right over the river there is one of the most haunted bars in America. My mom, she that was the first stop when I went to college. She said, we’re going to bobby Mackey’s. The people who know, they know there’s a whole so you can get absolutely black out and then go on a ghost tour under the bar in the like there’s a there’s a Satan’s hole to to hell in the basement of the bar.

 

E.R Fightmaster  19:51

That’s really nice. So that’s nice as I did that for next Christmas break

 

Dylan Mulvaney  19:54

Fightmaster. I’ll be doing that when you’re visiting the fam. That’s what you’re going. I’ve gone underneath the of the buildings and over the Rhine to see the spooky as well.

 

E.R Fightmaster  20:02

Yeah, but cool that prohibition era, like the big cat.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  20:08

Such a vibe, yeah, um, but you did go to UC at one point university.

 

E.R Fightmaster  20:12

because my mom is a professor there, and so I got two years free while I figure out what I wanted to do with my life.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  20:18

Could you imagine if I had your mom is, like, a professor, totally not, because I was there 2015 to 2019 even.

 

E.R Fightmaster  20:27

You might have had her if you took Psych.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  20:30

Needed it. No, we took a lot well for math, we had to take music theory. So instead, like, they would like, basically, instead of, like, doing your real classes, they would make up a musical theater class. That kind of was, like, adjacent to that. That’s so nice. It’s amazing. I had to take statistics. That shit sucks. PE was dance.

 

E.R Fightmaster  20:51

I wish that I could explain to more children that math is not real.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  20:53

This is the this is the place for it.

 

E.R Fightmaster  20:57

You don’t have to learn math. Okay? You don’t have to know that.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  21:01

That’s coming from a cowboy. Stop a working cowboy, yes, when Adam driver isn’t available.

 

E.R Fightmaster  21:08

Which sucks, like because he always is, right?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  21:11

And then where did, how did Cincinnati to then being a famous actor cowboy in LA happen? Well, I went to Chicago to learn improv. Midwestern people, my favorite people I’ve met in Yes, thank you. Catherine, one of our producers, famously Midwestern Chicago. I am so addicted to the Midwestern culture of people that come to LA because they’re the best ones here 100% and then I end up in Eagle Rock, you know, drinking some beers and in laughing with really sweet comedy people. And from Chicago?

 

E.R Fightmaster  21:43

The Midwesterners that moved to Chicago to learn how to be funny and then moved anywhere else are the best people in that place routinely, because as Midwesterners, we grew up truly in such boring ways that we have the ability to kind of appreciate where we are all the time. There’s nothing blase about us at all. You like, talk to these like Los Angeles kids, and they’re like, I don’t like the ocean because the sand hurts my feet. And I’m like, that’s incredible. If you would have told me that I could go to swim in the Ohio River, even knowing it was polluted, I would have been there, you know? I would have been drinking that shit, right? Like the Midwesterners, we just don’t care.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  22:20

I threw a rat into the Ohio River, alive or dead. It was a plastic rat, but it would not stop squeaking. Can I tell you?

 

E.R Fightmaster  22:29

Oh yeah, Have I not told this one?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  22:31

Oh bitch. So I think my ponytail just broke mask for masks they knew it’s literally, I’m like, I’m like, coming alive right now. Just like, grow fake eyelashes out of my eyes right now. So in college, my dad came to visit, and we love getting massages, and we couldn’t find anywhere on a Saturday afternoon to go get a massage, and so we had to drive really far out of Cincinnati to this strip mall, and it was really scary like this, this sort of massage place that we were in. And this woman, while she was massaging me, was like, Are you voting for Trump? And this was like, 2016 I think, or something. And I was like, No, and she hit me, and she was like, bad. And then she was like, Do you have a girlfriend? And I was like, to you, to me. And I went, not yet.

 

E.R Fightmaster  23:20

Not yet, ma’am, but I cannot wait.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  23:22

She goes, you need girlfriend. And I was like.

 

E.R Fightmaster  23:26

Oh, no.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  23:27

And then she goes, I have a gift for you. And she gave me a plastic rat. And why I accepted it, we don’t know. I’m that’s what. It was, traumatized, well. And I was like, what? Okay, whatever you want. And so I take this plastic rat home, and it wouldn’t stop squeaking. And for some reason I didn’t get rid of it. I put it in the bottom of my drawer, and I, like, put clothes over it. And then one night, and I forgot about months go by. Then I come home from rehearsal one night, it’s sitting on the top of my dresser. No, it’s sitting on the top of my dresser. Yep, thank you, Megan, sitting on top of my dresser. And I’m and then I so I first before I freaked out, I called my roommate. She’s not home. I’m like, Brynn, did you move the rat? She didn’t even know the rat existed. She was like, What do you mean? There’s a rat in our house? And like, no girl, I’ll call you later. So then I I text the only witch that I knew, Andy Mantis, Broadway’s Andy Mantis, and I said, Can you help me get rid of this? And he said, You need to go. I went to Kroger. That’s what they call it, correct. And I, we don’t have it in LA. And I bought, like, lot of Epsom salts. I brought bought sage, all this stuff and but he said that I needed to throw it over my right shoulder into a body of water. And I’m looking around in Ohio, thinking, where’s it going to be? Ohio River. I drive down there 2am throw it over. Haven’t seen the rat since.

 

E.R Fightmaster  25:01

Mm. I haven’t seen the rat since, is such a funny way to tell that story.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  25:05

And I’m just saying that.

 

E.R Fightmaster  25:10

You said what you said, I’m put that’s what I’m putting out. That woman put a hex on you. Have you ever been hexed? I mean, certainly I think that’s the leg hair situation

 

Dylan Mulvaney  25:18

That’s in that feels correct, but you did eventually find your way out of the Ohio River to Los Angeles.

 

E.R Fightmaster  25:26

Yes, I did Chicago. Oh, yeah, I think Chicago people never go all the way up there. You think

 

Dylan Mulvaney  25:32

I go down?

 

E.R Fightmaster  25:35

It goes.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  25:37

No math, but geography.

 

E.R Fightmaster  25:39

Yeah, geography good. Got to know where to go. Math, what am I using it for?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  27:09

So tell us about this, this exodus from Chicago to LA.

 

E.R Fightmaster  28:57

Well, people go and Megan can tell you about this too. People move in generations. So you go out to Chicago and you learn how to be funny and thoughtful and smart, or you assault somebody and get in trouble, and you have to move back home. And there’s only two pipelines, and if you choose the one pipeline where you haven’t hurt anybody, you get to move to LA or New York. Congratulations, yes, yeah, and von a lot of like, the abusers, like, go back home to, like, Milwaukee or Dallas or.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  28:57

But you got to go to LA.

 

E.R Fightmaster  29:17

Yes, I did.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  29:29

That’s why we get you.

 

E.R Fightmaster  29:30

Yes, I escaped without hurting anyone.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  29:32

How many years ago

 

E.R Fightmaster  29:34

I got here in 2018

 

Dylan Mulvaney  29:36

And what’s been the takeaway since?

 

E.R Fightmaster  29:40

I love it here. It’s a retirement community obsessed, I’m telling everybody that. No, it’s fantastic if you like your job in the arts and you work like you know, as many months out of the year as they’ll let you if Adam driver’s busy, then you get to come back here and no one is employed. No one has a job, and so you’re. It’s a shame free environment, because no one’s ever worked before here, and the money is just coming from. You don’t know where for anyone, no one has a paycheck. There’s nothing traceable. And then everyone has a beautiful apartment. You don’t know how or why. You know that they worked once, at least a couple years ago. They were on that one show, and then, and it’s beautiful. I don’t know. I love it. I think that’s good.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  30:20

So let’s talk about your name, Fightmaster. Should we fight?

 

E.R Fightmaster  30:25

No, I would let you win and

 

Dylan Mulvaney  30:29

Arm wrestle.

 

E.R Fightmaster  30:32

People don’t want to hear this. 1, 2, 3, 4, thumb, more, 5, 6, 7, 8, no. Wow, I will never, ever beat a lady.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  30:47

That was amazing.

 

E.R Fightmaster  30:48

I got my partner by pretending to lose at an arm wrestling game. That’s, that’s how, that’s how you got them, yeah? Where I was like, ah, so strong. Oh, my God.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  30:59

So that’s your move? Yeah? I so I should try it the opposite way, maybe next time I don’t. Oh, no, I did it right?

 

E.R Fightmaster  31:06

If I were doing this with a grown man, I would have, I you would have seen me go till one of our arms broke, but you’re a beautiful lady and my daughter, and there’s just no world in which I’m gonna physically dominate you.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  31:18

How do you would you ever wear a dress? Right now?

 

E.R Fightmaster  31:21

It would depend on if it was, like, for a camo, yeah, if it was camo or quilted, yeah. If I’m at home, no, I feel so truly bizarre in and feminine clothing. I it’s I have a really honest expression, like understanding of stuff, which is, like, really more grounded in masculinity. So even when I’m, yeah, when a t shirt is too small, I get ruffled in a weird way. You know what? I mean? It’s like, it’s like, if you have sound sensitivity and you’re hearing bombs, that’s what it feels like when femininity is, like, placed on me.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  31:56

Did that ever happen? Like, did you ever have that in, like, in costuming and things when you’ve been given things.

 

E.R Fightmaster  32:02

Oh my god. Well, there’s so women’s suiting and men’s suiting is different. And so I’m six one, and if you put me in a woman’s suit, it like, cinches my waist and then bows out at the hips and then comes up to like as I right around my knee in the pants, and it’s such a miserable look. And everyone’s everyone’s expecting you to feel happy because they found you a suit, but they found you a woman’s suit, and women’s suits are supposed to offset the masculinity by hugging curves and all this shit. So yes, I’ve definitely had that experience. I’m lucky to have worked with a lot of costumers, though, that go out of their way to make sure I feel comfortable. If the first look is not the right thing.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  32:40

Right? And now it’s like learning how to dress our bodies in what we need on the day.

 

E.R Fightmaster  32:45

How did you feel in that suit?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  32:46

I felt so hot. That was a woman’s suit, though it was like it was a vintage suit. And I think I really want to get a tux that I start wearing to like everything, because that’s what a lot of these men in this town do. And I just, I get so jealous. It’s ridiculous that you’re expected to find a new ball gown. I just every damn.

 

E.R Fightmaster  33:08

You have to do it. You’re so good at it. Thank you. We don’t want to see men doing a bunch of different things, because a lot of men don’t know how to dress themselves. I I expect to see you in a new outfit all the time.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  33:17

You know how to dress yourself. And you know, famously, we have, we’ve done a few carpets together, made an excellent plus one. I’ll be your plus one any day of the week. I’m a dad, but I’m also a boyfriend. That’s what I’m saying, and that’s important. That’s queer culture. That’s queer culture. And I always like you are you’re so easy to move through the world with. Thank you. And when I met you, we I feel like you were very deeply in your sort of comedy bag, and in, you know, a lot of, like, TV, film acting, and then so much more music was happening. What was the reason for that? That music sort of addition?

 

E.R Fightmaster  33:55

Joni Mitchell talks about it as, like, rotating your crops. And so I think that for artists that that enjoy multiple forms of expression. I had been really lucky to have done comedy for about 10 years, and to be on a few TV shows, and to work in film and to write for TV. And so the crop that I was not watering was music, and so I just was kind of dedicated myself to throwing, you know, my whole self into it for the last year, and it’s been fun. We’ve put out 12 songs.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  34:23

A lot has happened since I last saw you. Nervous, so, um, oh.

 

E.R Fightmaster  34:27

I started working with wood. Oh, well, that given so you told me to show up like this. And I was like, Well, I was basically already wearing it. And we’re like.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  34:35

What did you make? Anything today yet?

 

E.R Fightmaster  34:38

I made a bird house last night. I’m waiting for the stain to dry.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  34:41

Oh, my God. Oh, do you have like a particular bird you would like to visit you.

 

E.R Fightmaster  34:46

A bubble?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  34:47

Oh, shit.

 

E.R Fightmaster  34:48

Yeah, I love it. It’s got a little hat on.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  34:50

Can you do like a little ASMR with that title of that bird, please?

 

E.R Fightmaster  34:53

Just I want a bubble to come over. We want, I want a bubble. Come in my tiny little house. See, that’s about it. That’s the only way that I can do femininity is like as a full ass. Like, porn star.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  35:10

You took it there. I I’m you could have went very mask on the ASMR.

 

E.R Fightmaster  35:13

Listen, when people are like, click. I’m like, bullshit. ASMR is about tiny porn

 

Dylan Mulvaney  35:19

Double out of bed and assemble to the kitchen for myself. If I had my fucking long nails on, it’d be over for you bitches. So you ever had acrylics before? Dylan, it’s not part of your that was a crazy that was fucked up. I am so sorry.

 

E.R Fightmaster  35:38

I would break them. I would panic.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  35:40

But you with a big thing, a hubba bubba in your mouth like this. Oh, smacking your gum. Click, yeah, doing this thing. Oh, the bitch.

 

E.R Fightmaster  35:49

I guess I could do that if I lived like this. But if I had to move around in the world looking like this with acrylics on I don’t know, I would jump back in the Ohio River.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  35:57

And but you’ve had so many like moments throughout your career now, with all these different projects, famously also Grey’s Anatomy. And was there any similarities to you in that character, Kai?

 

E.R Fightmaster  36:13

I liked Kai because the role that I had played before, which was on a show called shrill, was way closer to south this character was, like, super warm and fun, although right now I, like, have been talking about killing people, so, like, just take my word for it, and But Kai was really science forward, kind of on the neuro spicy spectrum. And so it was the most stepped out of self that I’ve ever been. And I loved doing that.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  36:40

And do you prefer playing something, like, really close to home, or do you like to be kind of far away?

 

E.R Fightmaster  36:45

I want to do a bunch of different shit. That’s, it’s the it’s, unfortunately, it’s the crops thing again, like, I playing close to stuff is fun if you don’t have to do it all the time, and playing someone really different from you is fun. But then you’re like, Oh, I do miss, like, getting to be bubbly. I get I miss the warmth. So, yeah.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  37:02

Would you want to do a Western together?

 

E.R Fightmaster  37:05

Yeah.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  37:06

That’s what this is for. Well,  I was thinking, I am a veil, our guest tomorrow. Did cancel, so we have a good amount of time to get this done. Now, as far as, like, where do you would you want to be an action like, I could see you as like a fucking James Bond type.

 

E.R Fightmaster  37:25

I would like to play a villain next.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  37:28

Are you gonna ever tour? Do you think went?

 

E.R Fightmaster  37:31

Tour this year? Bitch? Yeah. Fun, fun, fun. How’d it go? It was really fun. I had a little leather vest, a leather vest. I had a little leather vest. I felt so cute.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  37:42

Was there anything under the leather vest? Or was it just the leather vest?

 

E.R Fightmaster  37:45

I had a t shirt because I didn’t want them to see the big bazongas. I It’s, listen, they’re moving.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  37:49

Where do you ever, like, put, like, a sports bra or something down there? No, because,

 

E.R Fightmaster  37:53

and unfortunately, this is going to get a lot of people off. But the the it’s a big bazon, because they’re just so sensitive.

 

Speaker 1  38:01

I can’t put anything on top of them. I’m not even wearing a bra right now.

 

E.R Fightmaster  38:05

No, that’s how I talk about my tits from now on.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  38:10

Yeah.

 

E.R Fightmaster  38:11

And I talk about mine like this, my big old fucking tits, my big, gorgeous, growing titties, my estrogens really grow anything. My energy’s making these titty crops so big.  Oh shit. Came into the space known as my daughter’s beautiful new business. Yeah, incredible on the Dylan Hour.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  38:33

Wait, I think we’re cowboys.

 

E.R Fightmaster  38:35

Oh yeah, we kind of went, I guess that was New York.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  38:38

I’ve never thought about like cowboys and boobs before

 

E.R Fightmaster  38:42

I certainly have.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  38:45

Were you a horse person? I was gonna say a horse girl?

 

E.R Fightmaster  38:49

Was like a horse girl. I think if your horse girl is gender neutral.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  38:53

That I actually felt that when I was about to say it, yeah. And I knew that we had already said some crazy shit on here, yeah. So if that was the least problematic thing that was said today, me call you horse girl.

 

E.R Fightmaster  39:04

Horse girl might as well mean trans. It’s like horse girl. They are all they’re you’re either a lesbian or you’re trans crazy, though, or you’re a trans lesbian.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  39:11

I was bitten by a horse when I was six, and I never went back, except on my 24th birthday in Napa. I did go wine tasting on a horse, but they didn’t go that fast, so I wasn’t even back in that much.

 

E.R Fightmaster  39:26

What did you say to the horse? What were you wearing?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  39:28

Well, I was I the six year old time was my babysitter? Missy. Boney. Hey, missy. She had horses in her backyard. It was really dark. I was feeding it carrots. The horse thought my fingers were carrots. It was making excuses for the horse. And then I went to the emergency room and they sewed them. No, they looked fine, like nothing ever happened, really.

 

E.R Fightmaster  39:50

So wait, did the horse spread the fingers off?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  39:54

Not fully? No, not to knuckle to knuckle.

 

E.R Fightmaster  39:58

Okay, so the next time you rode a horse, you were like, I’ll do this again, but only if I’m drunk in Napa exactly.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  40:07

And I got COVID and strep throat that day.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  40:10

From the horse. Probably sounds

 

Dylan Mulvaney  40:14

Like it.

 

E.R Fightmaster  40:15

Done, I can’t believe I came into you like I came in here today talking about birding, and you acted like that was saying all of your animal stories are nuts.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  40:22

But I don’t really fuck with birds, is the thing, and that’s it.

 

E.R Fightmaster  40:25

But I because you are a bird.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  40:27

I was a little weirdly good at that.

 

E.R Fightmaster  40:29

You were it was incredible.

 

Speaker 2  41:05

Now we’re going to head to a very special segment on the Dylan Hour. And it’s actually really exciting that we have you on, because it’s usually what a girl wants, but today it’s what a they wants.

 

E.R Fightmaster  42:09

I love that.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  42:15

So as our diversity hire here at the Dylan hour, fight Master, what do you want?

 

E.R Fightmaster  42:20

Oh, what the hell?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  42:21

What do you want?

 

E.R Fightmaster  42:23

I want a ranch. Give me none I want a ranch. I know that’s what I want, but like where I’m not gonna say you fuckers will follow me.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  42:34

Is there anything else that you really want in your life right now?

 

E.R Fightmaster  42:39

I my obsession always is finding the best way to transmit messages. And I know that that sounds really like we’re talking walkie talkies, but for me, like the music was an excellent way to transmit, like a message of just like queerness being the fucking best thing to do. And for a little bit of time, that was being Kai on Grey’s Anatomy. And for other periods of my life, it’s like literally just talking about goddamn birds. And so I’m I’m always looking for the next in to deliver the message that being queer and being trans is the best thing that can ever happen to a kid.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  43:13

And here at the Dylan Hour, your message is, be violent, kill. Let’s make that clear. Listen, they’re gonna try to go for a really beautiful answer, but I just wanted to remind us who we’re sitting down with, and you know what we’re actually gonna keep the what do they want theme for the day? Because I do have a she they in my bio.

 

E.R Fightmaster  43:30

Thank you very much.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  43:32

So they, as in me, would like to learn the banjo, and I’m gonna tell you why, because I was putting on my cowboy outfit today, and I was like, I, you know, I’m just thinking about the theme. And then I really thought about this deep, rooted, sort of whimsical tape. Do you remember when like, that song was going by, like, Alabama, Arkansas, or like, hum home? Is that the same song?

 

E.R Fightmaster  44:00

Yeah, it’s like, Edward sharp and the magnetic. Yeah,

 

Dylan Mulvaney  44:02

Okay that shit. So could you imagine my power as a trans woman if I knew the banjo and wore like, little pink bandana outfits and was like, Hey, everybody, come to my house in day. We’re gonna have some dancing. Like, wouldn’t could you fucking Imagine me on America’s Got Talent. I changed my name Maisie Mae braids.

 

E.R Fightmaster  44:25

Why?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  44:26

Just because I can’t be Dylan Mulvaney. I’m too polarizing to be an Americans got talent up in color.

 

E.R Fightmaster  44:33

Are you all being nice to my kid?

 

Dylan Mulvaney  44:36

No.

 

E.R Fightmaster  44:39

But I you can have my banjo. I’ll give you my banjo. You have one. Yeah, bitch, yeah, you can have mine.I don’t play it anymore.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  44:45

Do you know how to do that?

 

E.R Fightmaster  44:46

Yeah.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  44:47

Um, do you what would like? Do you make normal songs on that? Or can they only be banjo songs?

 

E.R Fightmaster  44:55

You can make normal songs on them, but I will tell you, if you play it on a banjo, it wants to be a banjo. So. Know, there’s something about it where the banjo is like this, actually mine now, the bandage is doing the writing. So this is unfair.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  45:08

What’s how full that is? No, because I’m drinking the beer, bitch. Okay, it’s PB, water, water. What did you did you have, like a college drink in Cincinnati?

 

E.R Fightmaster  45:17

Four Loko.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  45:18

Me too.

 

E.R Fightmaster  45:20

God damn it. They were trying to kill us with that. Oh my god. Did you ever have ever clear? Yes? Oh Lord. And sometimes you build a little bit of ever clear in the four locom, yes. Oh my god, yeah. And we survived that.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  45:32

Well, because you would buy it in Kentucky at what was that party store where you could buy all the it was like party source, party source. And you could get unbelievable licorice, and you pour it into a big trash can, yeah, that, and then they would add all, like, the the dolphin gummies and stuff in the body.

 

E.R Fightmaster  45:50

Yyes, and you, you could make the four logo as ice, if you wanted to, and.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  45:54

Add it to one of those parties, and we just wouldn’t even know. There’s no way we’d know that medicine. Yeah, I only have like, a quarter of my brain left, and then, like, you can tell from both of us that we’ve something happened. Made me violent, made you violent. Made me a woman that’s Don’t let your kids drink, and how they will become, actually, Kentucky, where that’s legal is where you can get that alcohol, that that Devil’s stuff.

 

E.R Fightmaster  46:18

And you can’t get it anymore. Well, you can get it, you can get it, but it’s like, adulterated. It doesn’t have like, 15 bottles of vodka in it anymore, and, like, 14 Celsius.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  46:27

It’s a text that I sent on Four Loko.

 

E.R Fightmaster  46:30

You had a phone. I had a phone, see, I don’t remember even having a phone, like, in the vicinity when we.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  46:38

Oh, my God. I had like, iphone four. I can’t remember what era it was? It was, it was a bad era, because you could do a lot of of damage without really knowing.

 

E.R Fightmaster  46:47

Thank God.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  46:48

I know that was like you more refined now you haven’t had one of those in a long time.

 

E.R Fightmaster  46:53

I would be dead, like, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go home tonight. I’m gonna have a hangover in an hour, I know, and it’s kind of you hit 30. Everyone says this to you. You’re not going to believe it after this, sure. Okay, you hit 30, everything changes. God tries to kill you. God says, Enough the you weren’t supposed to live this. I thought those were supposed to be the best years of my life. Oh, they are. But it’s because God’s trying to kill you. So you’re like, I might as well have fun.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  47:18

Oh, so are you having more fun in your 30s than you did your.

 

E.R Fightmaster  47:20

My 30s are one wonderful. I’m obsessed with them. You spend all your 20s like, thinking you’re going to kill yourself because you’re so sad, and then your 30s come in, you’re like, relax don’t move.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  47:36

We’ve shared a lot today, but at least this is primary. It’s not over.

 

E.R Fightmaster  47:41

Yeah.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  47:41

Because now it’s time for one of my favorite segments here at the Dylan hour over share. Don’t care. I’ve really let my guard down with you today. As far as saying some crazy shit.

 

E.R Fightmaster  47:52

I don’t remember saying anything offensive or weird at all.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  47:55

No, and I was thinking that we should just continue that by we’re gonna do a lightning round. We’re gonna put two minutes on the clock. We’ve gotta count down, and you are going to do a rapid answer of these 10 questions. Are you ready?

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:11

Yes.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  48:12

Okay, 5, 6, 7, 8, if you could switch bodies with one person for a day, who would it be? Possums or horses?

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:19

Horses.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  48:20

Leather or denim?

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:22

Denim.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  48:23

Favorite horror movie.

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:25

The one in the cave.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  48:27

Go to Cologne, favorite scent.

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:29

Oh, Tommy Bahama.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  48:34

Current, favorite pop girl?

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:37

I mean Chapel.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  48:40

Favorite song lyric of yours.

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:44

Your man’s twiddling short thumbs and he’s picking fights.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  48:48

Yeah, you are. I know you’re a history nerd, a favorite period of history.

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:53

Late 1800s early 1900s.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  48:55

Do you have any secret talents?

 

E.R Fightmaster  48:57

So many it would fuck your ass up.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  49:00

Tell us one.

 

E.R Fightmaster  49:01

Oh, shit. Never mind. Yeah.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  49:06

Oh, my God, that was crazy.

 

E.R Fightmaster  49:09

Thank you. Why did better with the timer? I think that made me feel safe,

 

Dylan Mulvaney  49:13

That that was fast. Now let’s go back just for a quick sec horror film, the cave one.

 

E.R Fightmaster  49:20

Yeah, the one where that beautiful? Yes. Oh, my God.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  49:24

I don’t fuck with spelunking, do you? I’ve done it, idiot. I twice people who spelunk are insane three times, but I really, I hated it every time.

 

E.R Fightmaster  49:34

Yeah, no, they are like, constantly talking about how trans people are ruining the American family. Spelunking is ruining the American family, and they’re always trying to make you do it in crazy places. Why would I smile? Are you kidding me? It’s a cave. It’s literally underground. I’m not doing that. I’m not an idiot. I’m in my house.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  49:48

That made for a really good have you done a scary movie yet?

 

E.R Fightmaster  49:50

I would love to do a scary movie.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  49:52

I well, I think let me chase somebody. Let me hunt somebody. We know, we know. Actually, I shouldn’t have even asked. Never. Don’t let the. This person anywhere near a horror film set, yeah. Oh, this favorite lyric of yours. What song was that?

 

E.R Fightmaster  50:07

That’s in bad man. I like that one because that twiddle and short thumbs when I sang, when I showed my friends, my guy friends, specifically my cis guy friends, that song, every time I would get to that lyric, they’d go, ah, and it just hurt them in such a specific way. And women, when women hear the song, they don’t like, respond to it that way. They’re like, Oh yeah, it’s about him texting. But you say short thumbs to a man, and then it’s like, but you didn’t have to go that hard.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  50:35

Oh my God, he’s probably a good guy, probably okay. It looks like you already finished your drink off for what is usually our last segment called Last call confessions. Yeah, why don’t you pop open that beer, honey? So we have a caller, and that has has called, I was gonna say, written in like because we are in the olden days, we have a caller that has a question for us, and we’re gonna listen to that now, but now Catherine’s actually gonna read something.

 

Caller  51:10

Hello, honey. So I just came out as non binary. When people mess up your pronouns, what’s the best way to handle and how do you handle it?

 

E.R Fightmaster  51:21

I think that’s tricky. I sometimes employ other people to do it for me, because I think that that helps the person save face. And while that might not be the most direct path, I think sometimes it’s longevity is more important. You want somebody to feel more comfortable with pronouns over a long period of time, so if they remember it, we’re self protective. If they remember it as a time that they got scolded, it feels way different than if someone’s like, oh, and it’s, it’s day for ER. So I ask a friend.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  51:50

I agree, like, um, it’s funny, because now when I get misgendered as I’m like, in this like, masculine outfit, um, I, I almost, like, It’s so wild to me that I kind of will just pass by it for a second. It also, I feel like the reason that I kept they was almost to give people an alternate way out, if they if they felt so strongly against using she for me, which plot twist, most people that don’t want to refer to me as a woman also don’t want to use the word they for me.

 

E.R Fightmaster  52:26

Like feeling more gender fluid to me.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  52:28

Yeah, no, but I do think I’m now in a place where, like, if someone is to misgender me, and this is a very privileged one to be in, where it’s like, oh, that’s so crazy, but I think it’s really a way of, I think finding whatever you leave that situation feeling in your most power, and feeling like that person and you, depending on what your relationship is the most productive.

 

E.R Fightmaster  52:54

Yeah, oh, I like that. Good job.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  52:56

Thank you. I it’s funny because, like, I, I used to make those. It’s a day video of the days you’re like. That was when I was like. And now I get so nervous to talk about, like, any sort of non binary identity, because it’s so tricky and fragmented. But I also think we just got to throw it out there.

 

E.R Fightmaster  53:18

I think when we can recognize that they’re all in the same family in a more like honest and constant way, it will be in a better societal place.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  53:27

Everyone, it has been an absolute pleasure to have my dad ear Fightmaster on the till an hour. Thank you for having me. I love where can they find you?

 

E.R Fightmaster  53:36

I’m probably in the woods somewhere, but otherwise, a genderless gap ad on Instagram and Tiktok and Twitter, that’s I forget. Oh, you’re a Fightmaster on Tiktok for spider contact.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  53:47

Thank you so much.

 

E.R Fightmaster  53:49

No, thank you, sweetie.

 

Dylan Mulvaney  53:50

We love you. We absolutely loved having you so much.

 

Speaker 3  54:00

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CREDITS 54:19

The Dylan Hour is a production of Lemonada Media. Our supervising producer is Jess […]. Producers are Carmen Laura,Kegan Zema and Aria Bracci. Audio and video production and engineering by Jordan Lynn, Ivan Kuraev and Brian Castillo. Our SVP of weekly programming is Steve Nelson. Our theme song was composed by Daniel Mertzloft and arranged by Aaron Kaufman. Special thanks to Megan Strickland. Executive producers, Stephanie Wittels Wachs, Jessica Cordova Kramer, Katherine Law and Dylan Mulvaney. You can find us online @lemonadamedia, and you can find Dylan on Tiktok and Instagram @DylanMulvaney. Follow The Dylan Hour wherever you get your podcasts, or listen ad free on Amazon music with your Prime membership.