Girls Got Game with Felicia Day

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This week, the girls explore how 80’s music led to some inexplicable childhood behavior. June is learning to forgive herself for past vehicular mishaps and Jess is driving to Target with an expired license, all in the name of Christmas! But be assured, they are not taking it on! Then, they chat with actress and sci-fi writer with peaches and cream skin Felicia Day about disrupting the video game industry. From navigating a male-dominated space to encouraging women to pick up a controller, Felicia shares how she is making gaming more diverse. And remember Deep Divers, nothing is hotter than a woman in a gaming chair.

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June Diane Raphael, Jessica St. Clair, Felicia Day

Jessica St. Clair  00:10

Hi, I’m Jessica St. Clair.


June Diane Raphael  00:12

And I’m June Diane Raphael. And this is The Deep Dive.


Jessica St. Clair  00:17

We’re about to do what women have done for centuries are crowding around the fire with our generous hunches. We got babies hanging off our tits, and we’re going to share with you our fears, our joys, our tips on how to stay alive.


June Diane Raphael  00:32

Now Jes, we’re heating a call that no one has made.


Jessica St. Clair  00:37

Not a soul, but you’re invited to listen.


June Diane Raphael  00:39

Absolutely. Because we make one promise and one promise only we will not Google a thing because frankly, we’re too damn tired. Please get ready to go on The Deep Dive.


June Diane Raphael  00:57

Hi, Jessica.


Jessica St. Clair  00:58



June Diane Raphael  01:00

It’s so funny right now listeners because they can only see the way you’re framed in your zoom. It’s just like adjust to your head. Your little heads right at the bottom and then there’s so much empty space. I don’t know.


Jessica St. Clair  01:11

Why is that? Oh god.


Jessica St. Clair  01:13

It was just cute. Well, that was weird. It was very cute. But it was just like, it looked like you were like peeking in on us over here.


June Diane Raphael  01:13

I don’t mind.


June Diane Raphael  01:25

Yeah, like a where’s Waldo?


Jessica St. Clair  01:27

No, I am. I don’t like to ever look at myself on this thing. So I’m gonna just help you again. I don’t know. But you’re looking great. I gotta tell you this long hair on you. And I know, I know. You Deep Divers been peeping out it been peeping and creeping on it.


June Diane Raphael  01:43

Long hair don’t care.


Jessica St. Clair  01:44

Okay. It is, it’s sexual. It’s natural. You know, I’m into it.


June Diane Raphael  01:53

It’s so funny. I have such an interesting personality. If, if I may say so myself, because as soon as I I don’t know what this is a very toxic trait. But sometimes, like, I’ll either get something that I’ve been thinking of for a while, and then turn against it so hard.


Jessica St. Clair  02:12

I know, I know. You’ve already turned and I have to tell you looking at you. I think I’m looking at myself. I feel like you’re becoming me. Because I’ve got this little chic little kind of shortcut going on.


June Diane Raphael  02:23

And I love Bob.


Jessica St. Clair  02:25

I know, and I don’t know, I don’t know what’s happening.


June Diane Raphael  02:28

It’s even you know, we talked, I fucking went off. I went off on meal planning. And then honestly, for the last two weekends, I’ve like, I don’t say I’ve been meal planning, but like I’ve I’ve been become closer to it. I told everybody to cold plunge. And then as soon as I got the message, I stopped doing it. I know. And I realized that is I don’t know what that is about me. I just like I feel so much, but with meal planning was like I needed to get free of it so I could actually get closer to it. I don’t know what that means.


Jessica St. Clair  03:05

You know, it’s interesting. First of all, I also wanted I did want to make a retraction. About Halloween costumes and omissions.


June Diane Raphael  03:12

Oh, don’t take it back Jes, don’t take it back.


Jessica St. Clair  03:16

Do you know my inbox was flooded with adorable pictures? Oh, no. I just want to make a clarification. I don’t want to spend much I don’t want to spend any time on this. I want to make a clarification. We said that when the children are young, if if you want to do a themed family costume, we support that we did it. We support it.


June Diane Raphael  03:40

Please know that every single year but this one I have dressed up for Halloween. I have dressed up fully. It was because this year I had some distance that I was able to see what was going on with so.


Jessica St. Clair  03:58

I know so please know I’m saying this like dressed up every year.


June Diane Raphael  04:04

And I’m not saying I won’t dress up next year.


Jessica St. Clair  04:07



June Diane Raphael  04:07

Probably not though because I hate it but I don’t hate it on you. I’m not dressing up to Jessica. Stand in your truth.


Jessica St. Clair  04:16

People felt attacked, felt attacked. They felt they felt judged. They felt that.


June Diane Raphael  04:22

They are judged.


Jessica St. Clair  04:24

Oh, okay. All right.


June Diane Raphael  04:28

You don’t want to hear this. They are judge.


Jessica St. Clair  04:31

God, okay, for those new listeners. Welcome, welcome to The Deep Dive. We judge you, we don’t […] we can’t happen if you need to feel the same way that I feel. Ah, Halloween costumes is what divides us so crazy.


June Diane Raphael  04:52

Wait, can I tell you something Jess?


Jessica St. Clair  04:53



June Diane Raphael  04:55

I did something crazy this, an inexplicable, something inexplicable.


Jessica St. Clair  05:03

What are you up to?


June Diane Raphael  05:05

I have been like I have honestly after it happened to put it out of my mind, but it’s like coming back to me in waves you know like sometimes you’re in a conflict with someone or you’re nervous about something or having anxiety and you actually forget during the day and then it like it like hits you. So, you know, took the opportunity to sleep in a little bit because I usually get up with the kids first, but for whatever reason last night, I was like, I want to watch the movie read I this the one with Jodie Foster. There’s no Harrison Ford. No, no, get off. No, no. This is Rachel Adams and Cillian Murphy. And what happens don’t this is what I do. I asked Lenin the entire new I love a thriller. My mom loves a thriller. She lived in mystery. I love an adult thriller and they don’t make them really anymore which is very upsetting to me but anyway I.


Jessica St. Clair  06:04

Stayed up late watching Red Eyes?


June Diane Raphael  06:06

I said to Paul, bowers here.


Jessica St. Clair  06:10

Oh, great.


June Diane Raphael  06:11

That’s great to see him right. And bowers also did Paul’s nails last night so later night opening, okay. Every time Paul was coming up bows coming over Paul would be like, Oh, can you fit me and I’d be like, I need to like if you want an appointment with Bow like I need to know that beforehand. Okay, and for all of our new listeners Bow is our sort of Dean of nail nails nails, yeah.


Jessica St. Clair  06:42

Dean of nails he is that does nails.


June Diane Raphael  06:45

So I said, Paul, I’m having Bow over on Monday night, do you want a mani pedi? And he said yes. So I scheduled but it was a long night with Bow when Bow arrived like we were eating dinner and I was like settle in Bow. You’re here for the long haul.


Jessica St. Clair  07:01

God bless him.


June Diane Raphael  07:03

So Paul got mani pedi and then I sit down and then I get a wild here, he said I want to take a gummy and I want to watch Red Eyes. Red Eyes one of those for years whereas like it’s I’ve always known it would be my type of movie. It’s a plain movie. I love playing movies.


Jessica St. Clair  07:23

But all takes place on Sir killer.


June Diane Raphael  07:25

Not all of it. Not all of it was actually shocking. I don’t want to tell you it’s.


Jessica St. Clair  07:31

Okay, I’m never gonna see it.


June Diane Raphael  07:33

You should.


Jessica St. Clair  07:34

I will never ever in my life. I couldn’t survive it. I spent the night sending you Travis Kelsey and Kelsey Taylor length.


June Diane Raphael  07:43

So the thing that’s so cool about it is Cillian Murphy and Rachel McAdams starts off as like a romantic movie and they meet in an airport. Both flights are delayed. They get them they meet at the bar. They’re having a rep partay of back and forth a meeting of the minds and it’s fucking sexy. Okay, yeah. Oh, it is hot. Plane, yeah and it’s like, it is fucking hot. I was so into this relationship. And then they sit down she goes, she gets on the flight. And then she goes to her seat guess who she’s sitting next to?


Jessica St. Clair  08:21

Who? Cillian Merck killer. Oh, god.


June Diane Raphael  08:24

Okay, so she’s just at least experienced stop asking you about the killer. And then they sit down and they’re flirting. They’re flirting, and I am like, oh.


Jessica St. Clair  08:32

Do they fuck in the bathroom.


June Diane Raphael  08:33

Well, we’ll get to that. But then there’s some turbulence. He’s trying to calm her down. And she’s like, oh, so what do you, what do you do for a living and he’s like.


Jessica St. Clair  08:42

I kill people for living.


June Diane Raphael  08:43



Jessica St. Clair  08:44

He’s a hitman.


June Diane Raphael  08:46



Jessica St. Clair  08:47



June Diane Raphael  08:48

And he’s basically like a hired assassin. And he it’s a long story. She’s a hotel manager. He needs her to move this diplomats room so that he can take out the dip as his company failed him out whatever he’s doing it on the flight so that blog Oh, meanwhile he has his her father kidnapped and it long story short turn just from when she thinks he’s joking to when he says there’s a man.


Jessica St. Clair  09:17

This has been a long con. Okay, it strikes like wow.


Jessica St. Clair  09:21

He was behind her and buying a ticket and then get her bags and outside and it is so fucking good. Anyway, so that’s what I’m sorry to get into Red Eye, but that’s what I did last night, and Paul fell asleep within the first 10 minutes and then I watched the entire thing on my own. I was so strange. So then this morning, I’m super tired, and I’m like, I’m gonna let I’m gonna let Paul take care of the kids this morning. Yeah. So I just I come down. They’re already they’re kind of marching their way out the door and I I get my New York Times I sit down I’m like, I’m just on my robe and they say goodbye, but it gets out. And then I hear pull pull the minivan out and I then I hear beep, beep, beep and I go out the back door and I’m like, what? He’s in the driveway. He’s like your car blocking us. And I was like, so I’m in my robe. Oh, I run out. First, was I run out earlier as I pull the car out people’s out, I pulled the car back. And now here’s where things get strange.


Jessica St. Clair  10:29

Oh, no.


June Diane Raphael  10:30

You know, I just spent all this money on new landscaping and different pots and different special things. And I drove directly into my wall.


Jessica St. Clair  10:44

Like the Kool Aid guy.


June Diane Raphael  10:46

Jess, it was strange. I drove him to the wall, I made.


Jessica St. Clair  10:51

That you don’t have any to it.


June Diane Raphael  10:53

No, no.


Jessica St. Clair  10:54

Wow, you went front in.


June Diane Raphael  10:57

Yeah, but just I broke the plantar that we’ve just spent so much money on. Yeah, good. It’s broken.


Jessica St. Clair  11:06

And that past tense. It’s throw skin. It’s done.


June Diane Raphael  11:12

We move on. I’ve already forgotten about it. Never carry that you though. Was inexplicable what happened. I just misjudged it. I just wasn’t I don’t know what to say.


Jessica St. Clair  11:25

Hey, listen to me. What do you know that when I was 161, 7 whenever you get your license, I had a station wagon and old station wagon and I had a cassette tape that was broken. You had to jam a tiny pencil in there to get it to play and all I had was Beastie Boys. That album, you know with all the circles. All I really want is girls right.


June Diane Raphael  11:49

Poetry Revere. Yes, me and my horse in a court.


Jessica St. Clair  11:52

Had to listen to that tape for two and a half years.


June Diane Raphael  11:58

That was the only thing that was in there?


Jessica St. Clair  12:00

You couldn’t get it out. That was it. Okay, and I got into our garage and we had old school doors that were not electric. They were glass beautiful, actually glass panes wooden door and you would have to open it like a like a stable. You know, my because my house was built, you know in the 20s or whatever. So you have to open it. And I got into the car. And I put Dennet and I drove through the doors and I heard the shattering of wood and it covered me and glass covered the car. As my father was walking up the driveway in his dress like Tom car, your business manager suit you know trench coat, briefcase, he saw me covered in wood in wood shards and I’ll never forget he goes. We’ll I guess we’re getting those new doors we wanted. I didn’t get in trouble. I didn’t get yelled at. And that’s the beauty of St.Claire’s when it’s done. It’s done with a fork in it. It’s done. We do go back and tie.


June Diane Raphael  13:35

No, I almost want to see if I can get on camera because we do have cameras out there. I want to come with want to see if I can because what was strange was it wasn’t like, and it sounds like this. What happened to you? It wasn’t like I was like, Oh, am I too close? Am I too?


Jessica St. Clair  13:50

No, no, no. It was like, bang. Like and driving. Yeah, like I don’t know. I was feeling it. I don’t know. That’s so weird. But yeah, let it go. Let it go. In the words of Elsa Why don’t take it on. It’s like when you left your keys, you know in the car and it got stolen. You didn’t take that on? Why would you take this on? Just don’t take it on. I just excited about all my new things. broken spirit, very much so broken. It’s broken. So that’s okay. I appreciate that. It’s okay, sometimes we have to drive through things.


June Diane Raphael  14:41

Thank God I you know, and it just, you know, and sometimes things are inexplicable. And that was a real thinker like nobody knows what happened out there and then we won’t nobody will ever know.


Jessica St. Clair  14:56

Sometimes you just have to do that. It is crazy though. How You know, your life can change in that instant. It’s like you had a mentor that you loved. And I know, and I don’t think Paul will be upset. I really don’t I, what are you gonna do?


June Diane Raphael  15:12

He’ll have some questions. I mean, it was just, you know, it’s just questions like the move I make every day park my car there. It’s, it’s just confusing as to why today I decided to not stop the car and continue driving. You know, it’s just, it’s confusing. Now, well, one other time that happened to me, I’ll never forget one of my very best friends. Jen began to see her maiden name. Never forget when I did this. Her beloved grandfather had passed away, we all knew. And I had picked her up from somewhere and you know, was comforting her, and I went to go drop her off. And she had her dad’s car at the house I was dropping her off at and I go drop her off. And I had a big green sedan at the time. I dropped her off. And again, she was so sad, and I was sending her so close with her parents, and it’s thinking about her dad. And she goes and starts to walk up to the front. And then what happened was like it was slow mo. She actually turned around because I was doing a three point turn to get to go on the other direction. And she turned around the walkway looked back at me, which was like, why did she do why? Why is that a movie wasn’t a shooter. So luckily, and as she turned direct directly into her father’s directly. Like crash. This profound loss, I had to be like so I’ll call the tow truck and if I could get your process with my dad come over. You can use our car I mean.


Jessica St. Clair  17:09

It was like such a fucking logistical nightmare that I did that I did that to that family.


June Diane Raphael  17:15

This dear family, yeah, it was inexplicable, inexplicable, but for some reason her turning around it was like I was just complicating the story that was meant I felt in that choice.


Jessica St. Clair  17:41

It reminds you of Dan, Dan and his best friend, for some reason went through a phase where they would take a rope and they would put it on the bedpost of his friend’s bed and they would play really struggles you had to be a big shot didn’t ya? And they would rub it back and forth. And they saw through it and the mom was like what was this move though? Like a Nordic track movie? Big Shut, I don’t know and we were left alone so much in the 80s that like they would just be like I guess it’s on them I mean, like but like why these antique beautiful walnut beds all of the all of the tops of them had been sought to be oh, you’re friends with so knocked out? Yeah, I had to get a last fight last night. Like blame it on the music. Blame it on the 80s, but don’t blame it on me. Alright, Deep Divers more after this quick break.


Jessica St. Clair  21:01

Oh god, don’t blame it on me. I won’t take it on.


June Diane Raphael  21:04

You know what I wish Jess?


Jessica St. Clair  21:06

Oh god, I’m dying.


June Diane Raphael  21:07

I’m dying. laughing Oh, I needed a laugh. I needed a laught, thank you so much. But let me just tell you one thing I sometimes wish for what you’re describing when you’re describing your garage door. I would love God if I could watch a video tour of everyone’s childhood home Zoo. Like a whole like just a video, you know, sometimes on Redfin. Now they have those like virtual tours. Wouldn’t that be great? So were you in your home the whole time Jess?


Jessica St. Clair  21:52

No we switched in third grade. That’s why BB starting a new school in third grade it was like was such a different world. Because I went from the south side to the north side with like the Jeffersons, we moved it on up. And it was actually quite shocking. Not in a good way. But then I was in that house forever. And so that really that house really was my house house of House House. But what’s so crazy about it and also I just want to say like Dan’s memoir, he spends so much time describing the linoleum of his kitchen sore, it’s the wallpaper. It’s so important. I love that part of his book. Everyone has to go get it from Scottsdale but it could because even if you don’t relate to that having that kind of dysfunctional family or whatever, like you will relate to the details of the 80s of the beach you know that time of that suburban time, but I have a vision so clear in my head of your house growing up it’s so clear. I’m sure it’s completely inaccurate maybe but it’s like when you read a book and you imagine the house in the book. I have so clear at the street your mother sitting in that car with her friends at night I have it all in my head. So I’ve so you I don’t even know if I want you to show me the house. Yeah, maybe not.


June Diane Raphael  23:19

I mean, did you know that my dad during his downtime at like his construction working jobs would make giant holiday and I want to say they’re like I’m five nine like the size of me. Holiday wooden signs.  He would hang out of the upstairs windows. And these signs spanned from Arbor Day was just a tree if you very strange like that’s the thing of the house I grew up in like my dad. You know, I always said my dad was an artist at heart and never really given the opportunity to write really explore that because he loved us. He loved making things and painting. So he also made signs for when my sisters and I got engaged. There was a big ring. Over like he painted June and Paul on one. And by the time my other sisters got married, he was already sick. But he also made stork signs for when we had babies, which he unfortunately never got to put up but he had.


Jessica St. Clair  24:35

That’s so cool.


June Diane Raphael  24:37



Jessica St. Clair  24:38

God I’d love to see those pictures. I hope you have.


June Diane Raphael  24:40

I’m sure I have a picture of a sign somewhere. I’m sure, Valentine’s Day, a big heart. Christmas he made a reef that he was able to figure out how to put lights in.


Jessica St. Clair  24:54

Well, listen, the holidays are here and it’s exciting. because we all we all haven’t we were over at Kulap’s dean of cozy there. I love seeing. I like seeing my friends in the daytime.


June Diane Raphael  25:11

Me too. It’s my favorite time.


Jessica St. Clair  25:14

I like seeing I like seeing you in club yesterday 1pm.


June Diane Raphael  25:20

It was such a rush.


Jessica St. Clair  25:22

It was rushing guys.


June Diane Raphael  25:24

It was a rush was watching Red Eyes at midnight last night because I was energized.


Jessica St. Clair  25:29

Me too.


June Diane Raphael  25:29

I was energized.


Jessica St. Clair  25:30

Yeah, me too. And we went over there to do a tablescaping lesson for The Deep Dive Academy, which was phenomenal, and mind blowing, you know, because really to be to be taught by such a master and if you haven’t for the newbies, and also for for, you know, our regulars go back and listen to the art of tablescaping through with the art of the tablescape because she is a master and she will and Thanksgiving is upon us. But of course we just sort of want to get through that holiday to get to Christmas. And I just loved I love seeing her specific I never seen it in person, her specific brand of decoration. And what I would say is much like we talked about what are your three words you know, Alison Bornstein. For your for your wardrobe. Define your holiday decorating style. And bebe and I are very specific. And we went to Marshalls which is the absolute hub of the holiday season.


June Diane Raphael  26:42

And there was no I got a frantic text from Paul this morning.


Jessica St. Clair  26:46

This came in and Paul’s alive and well he’s gonna I’m gonna get him on folks to for him to explain where he was when he went missing. But just know that I got a text at 9:33am That said, we gotta go to Target. I’m here right now. There’s so much good stuff out. I feel like it’s gonna be taken so quickly.


June Diane Raphael  27:04

I was there this morning.


Jessica St. Clair  27:06

Did you take nibin I was in a secret. I did some secret shadow work.


June Diane Raphael  27:11

What he does. Jess, I dropped BB off. I knew I should come home and renew my license. I’ve been driving with an expired license.


Jessica St. Clair  27:19

Oh God, that tasks that seems insurmountable to me.


June Diane Raphael  27:24

I can’t do it. I’m not going to be able to do it not for for the holidays. Find me, you know, come find me till the LAPD come find me. But instead I went to Target just to see what they had. And I got some whimsical things not for myself, but my godmother who is in an assisted living home and she’s having the beginning stages of memory loss. I sent her these boxes of decorations for the holidays. And what I didn’t really because they all have these little they look like altars actually outside of their door that they put up. Tableaus, tableaus of the holidays have pictures of their family of and they all have candies. And it’s a little bit of a competition. I don’t doubt Scott, the best stuff. And once I spotted that, I said, Oh, I can fill this gap. So normally I would do my work at Marshalls and TJ Maxx, of course, I’m a loyalist, but I just nipped over to target and didn’t I find some cute little snowman and a little tiny reindeer, and some trees that had been, you know, little bobbles, and I packed them all up. And I said, you know, I’m going to send them today to Ocean City, New Jersey. But this is the most special part is I was doing this for her just as like a fun thing because I saw the little altar out there. And my aunt, my other aunt who takes care of her said, do you know it’s so wonderful because she forgets what season it is. And she can look and see that’s almost Thanksgiving. So almost Christmas, right?


Jessica St. Clair  29:20

Like you could drive by my house at any time of the year and see, based on my father’s painted wooden signs. What season are we in?


June Diane Raphael  29:28

Yeah, it’s only gonna tell us Yeah.


Jessica St. Clair  29:31

It places us, so all of that. It’s a long story to say two things. If there’s a relative that needs your visit, during the holidays or not during the holidays whenever you can get on the plane. Get on the plane, it was your dad from the beyond who told me to do it and I cannot tell you to place someone you’re talking about placing your loved ones in their childhood home. You need to see where they are. And I think a lot of us are very afraid, including myself, I was terrified to go see an assisted living situation. A nursing home, because it’s scary. It’s scary, right? It’s unknown. But I got in there, and I saw where she lives, his beautiful place. And I met her friends, you know, and I met the people who work in the, you know, and she does such a good job cleaning her apartment that she doesn’t want to, you know, let the cleaning ladies in because it’s already so clean. So they just come in and sit. She gives them some water, and you know, they just chat. But so please go do that. I waited too long. And I’m just so happy I did because I can place her and I know where she is. And now I can, you know, send her and she knows where I am. She’s seen me there. She’s a picture of me there. So she can remind herself, that’s my niece, you know, it was just yet so lovely. And don’t be afraid, don’t be afraid, even though they are coming in and out. They’re still them, and God dammit, can they still? Well, my family can still have a laugh. And laughter is such a lubricant. It’s such a, we can laugh, you know, we can laugh and roll in and out of the truth. Who cares? Who cares? You know, I’m so glad you went and it is these things are I think I know, remember when you were growing like it’s it’s a hard thing to kind of pull the trigger on. And I think that’s a wonderful reminder.


Jessica St. Clair  31:50

For the people that took care of us when we were little. Because, you know, she didn’t have children. She was the aunt, you know who we would you know, my parents shipped me off to her twice a month. I was in Philly. Now I know why I was a lot, you know, to handle it. And they were happy to outsource. And they should have, yeah.


June Diane Raphael  32:14

They needed a break.


Jessica St. Clair  32:15

They needed a break. And but for those people in our lives that aren’t our parents that helped raise us. I think sometimes they can get forgotten. Because now we’re parents and we have so much going on and and it’s like we’re taking care of our parents and all of that. But it’s like, let’s not forget them because they are they are such a part of us of our history. You know?


June Diane Raphael  32:46

Yes, this is a great time. Let’s let’s check in on our elders. I’m so glad you said that, Jess. And I did want to just ask you because I found out yesterday, and I didn’t know this that you’re hosting Thanksgiving this year.


Jessica St. Clair  33:00

I sure I am. But you know, what’s that doing for food?


June Diane Raphael  33:04

You’re not cooking, yeah.


Jessica St. Clair  33:06

Absolutely not. I found a wonderful place that I frequent for lunch. And I ordered it all now it’s the same place if you remember last Thanksgiving you ordered from but I never picked it up. So now I have it in my calendar. We’re picking it up the day before. Yeah, we’re picking it up the day before. But I’m very excited. Yes, I’m hosting everyone. And it was so wonderful to get that Kulap tablescape lesson and please come join us in The Academy, because if you have thought about tablescaping and it was you were hesitant. It’s just a wonderful primer. And it was more more than anything. What I loved about cool ops approach, and it’s in our podcast as well, is that it’s not something to be afraid of. Go go with it. You know, she said at one point yesterday. If it doesn’t feel right, it’s probably not right. Now you did something shocking. Do you want to share just before we have to go what you did?


June Diane Raphael  34:07

Well, I love what we came up with in terms of the actual scape. And there’s of course, yes, like Jess said, if you want to see the visuals head on over to The Academy. But if but I felt like we weren’t taking risks.


Jessica St. Clair  34:24

You’re always an industry disrupter, you’re always pushing the boundary.


June Diane Raphael  34:30

And so I said let’s play a little game where the escape the basic scape is done. But let’s all walk around the first floor of Kulap’s home and find something else to put on this scape.


Jessica St. Clair  34:43

I thought it was a wonderful idea because things can be put on the table on this Thanksgiving table and you because that you wouldn’t expect OBJS Dart. You don’t know you easy way to say that but Andres Dart, they can be used up surprised yourself.


June Diane Raphael  35:05

So I thought okay with this task I thought, Oh, we’re going to be pulling picture frames we’re going to be pulling just different things.


Jessica St. Clair  35:15

This isn’t Day of the Dead well, okay.


June Diane Raphael  35:18

We weren’t because club just got the two turkeys that she had forgotten to put on to like gilded Turkey she forgot to put on there in the first place. She’s like, oh, this is my, this is what I’ll do. I’m like, well, that’s okay, that wasn’t really the assignment. But okay, so she puts those on, and then you pull out. Also a turkey shaped thing.


Jessica St. Clair  35:39

A beautiful, Akshay, that was actually a pomegranate. It was a beautiful terracotta in this color scape. And again, this isn’t a visual medium. But imagine if you will, I found something that belonged, like if you’re in preschool. So which of these things you know, belong?


June Diane Raphael  35:58

I thought the task was going to be let’s find something that doesn’t belong. So I found you certainly found two books. So we said let’s put let’s put the books out. Oh my god and I.


Jessica St. Clair  36:16

Listen, Kulap is your dick cheney she supports you 100%. And I know you’re sensitive. But I was doing some I work with the camera, which was to say, This bitch is crazy. You don’t put a fucking book on a tablescape. But what are you nuts? Unless it’s a book club? Unless we’re watching the film, book club, and that’s and then we’re doing a whole thing.


June Diane Raphael  36:40

Maybe I’m more of a Tiffany Gabriel escapist. Okay, where I like a little I feel like it’s an opportunity to be surprising. And as much as the escape was so absolutely stunning. I wanted something to surprise me. And neither of you did with your choices. And as Kulap said she might not have done it herself. But the one book I pulled, which was I think a Van Gogh did have the color that was in the same color palette.


Jessica St. Clair  37:08

She it was actually a really beautiful show of friendship, because she stood by your insane choice in a way that I couldn’t, and I didn’t.


June Diane Raphael  37:17

I know and you didn’t you never did notice the Kulap. That’s why, you know, Kulap and I have a very special friendship because there’s no where I’ll go that she won’t follow me. And vice versa. […] who like you’re not. You’re not ever going to find to tickling her back on any level. And we affirm each other we lift each other up no matter how wrongheaded we are. So that’s also what you saw there. But I choose to believe that Kulap once given a little time with that book, liked it.


Jessica St. Clair  37:56

No, she didn’t. And we have the film. You know, I hate to bring it back to the source material. But watch her reaction when you put those books down. I’m gonna slow it down and I will share it actually with everybody because we need to see her make that shift. It’s like when a child shows you like Bebe’s best friend Clyde in kindergarten, you know, they called him in and they said this is what you know at parent teacher conferences where he drew for a rainbow and it was a black line that was straight across and they had to say wonderful job. That’s what it was like a mother’s love. That’s what she brought to you. Time for another break more Deep Dive when we return.


June Diane Raphael  38:59

Jess we have a special guest on today, and I have long admired her specifically because of sort of how she’s navigated the gaming space and I am so excited to talk to her about this because I have some thoughts but but Jess, I I know you’re not a gamer Jess St.Clair.


Jessica St. Clair  39:19

Well, my family is and I love her because she’s an industry disrupter.


June Diane Raphael  39:26

That’s absolutely right. Deep Divers, we have on the podcast Felicia Day today. She is an actor, producer, writer. She’s appeared in a gazillion TV shows and films Eureka supernatural, The Magicians, and of course three seasons of the cult classic Mystery Science Theater. 3000. You seen her you seen her out on the streets. She works as a writer, a streamer host she hosts the official companion podcast for Amazon’s Rings of Power and and conducts interviews of the cast of Netflix series such as Stranger Things, and The Witcher for the unlocked series. By the way, she’s also written two New York Times bestselling books, never weird on the internet, and embrace your weird and has a gazillion followers over every platform. And I am so excited that we get to have a conversation with her. Hi, Felicia.


Felicia Day  40:23

Hello, what was get a little embarrassed I have to it’s like when you give somebody a greeting card and they open it and read it in front of you being here why you read my bio is like Oh.


June Diane Raphael  40:34

To do, but I love it. You lie through your own one Jess?


Jessica St. Clair  40:39



Felicia Day  40:40

Oh, well, wonderful.


Jessica St. Clair  40:41

Now I do now that I started wearing that red lip. I love to listen to what I’ve done. And you should too. Felicia, we didn’t even mention your skin which is as a man in a in the New York City movie theater when we were watching. Cold Stone. What is that called? What’s that stupid? What was that movie with Nicole Kidman and Renee Zellweger? Cold Mountain.


Felicia Day  41:06

Cold Mountain. Yeah.


June Diane Raphael  41:07

Cold Stone Creamery, which I love their whipped cream. It’s basically cool rip. That’s why it’s the best.


June Diane Raphael  41:12

It’s the best best. This old man leaned over to his wife next to me and said when Nicole Kidman was on peaches and cream, it’ll go lighter skin. But you do have peaches and cream skin Felicia?


Felicia Day  41:28

My mom I remember she like put me in front of a mirror once and she was like you your nose is not good. But what you have is your skin. All you have is your skin. Okay, your skin check feature. Yeah, protect it with.


June Diane Raphael  41:45

Your nose is absolutely adorable. But that’s mom?


Felicia Day  41:49

It’s not, the train has left if I got a nose job now, people be like, whoa, let’s say looks weird now.


June Diane Raphael  41:56

Why would Jennifer Gray Rector in your career?


Felicia Day  41:59

True, she’s still working, is she?


June Diane Raphael  42:02

She is oh my gosh, the L word. She was hottest shit on that.


Felicia Day  42:06

We know I heard that she had like, she had one procedure done and it failed. And that’s why they had to go in and do it. And that’s why. Yeah, she had one. One done, and then something you know, complications can happen. So would have been like a moderate one. And then she had to go to a different surgeon. That’s what I heard a rumor of whether it’s true or not. But I was like, that’s a nightmare. You’re right.


June Diane Raphael  42:28

But we support.


Felicia Day  42:29

Do what you want with your face. Do it.


June Diane Raphael  42:31

On this podcast. We’re really big fans of plastic surgery.


Felicia Day  42:34

My dad’s a plastic surgeon.


Jessica St. Clair  42:36

Oh my god, we’d love his number.


Felicia Day  42:40

He just retired just when I started needing work done. God dammit.


Jessica St. Clair  42:44

It hasn’t worked on you though?


Felicia Day  42:47

Um, I’ve had Botox. That’s it, you know? Yeah. Of course. I’m not paying for it.


June Diane Raphael  42:53

Have access to that.


Felicia Day  42:55

Yeah, but no more. No more. I mean, now that I’m like, I could feel some but no.


June Diane Raphael  43:01

Felicia? I have to ask you because. So we share the wonderful Sam Cerny Boston, who is a dear friend of the podcast, one a very close friend of mine and also amazing person and publicist and a wonderful person. And I didn’t mention by the way, you have a new podcast called third eye, and that’s on Audible, correct?


Felicia Day  43:22

Yes, you know, it’s funny, it’s people say it’s a podcast. It’s not really, I can’t call it a radio play, because that’s weird. It’s more of a TV show. It’s an experience. It’s a TV for your ears.


June Diane Raphael  43:37

I just want you to know, like, I am watching a lot of TV only with my ears. So that new Netflix documentary, twin flames. I watched, I had it on over here on an iPad and I was doing quite a bit of work on my computer. So I consumed that as a podcast as a listening experience.


Felicia Day  43:54

Well, you get in line, because Third Eye is right there for you. It’s a TV show that I wrote for audio because nobody would let me make it as a TV show, so why.


June Diane Raphael  44:02

I love that. I love I know there are a lot of us who are watching TV with our ears. Right? So but I wanted to ask you because I first came to know you Felicia, through your status that you cemented as like a woman and I’m sure I get so exhausted when people are like, what is it like to be a woman in comedy? And how did you do everything a woman and I know it’s tedious. But actually I am genuinely curious because the gaming industry to me and space is one of the most terrifying places I could ever imagine would be true for a new language, a new language and I approach it with fear. And I want to stay so it’s like one of sometimes I feel like oh the less I know about men the better. It’s because, it’s because of like gamer guys, and you know, I told Paul before we were married, he had like a gaming chair to sit on to play video.


Felicia Day  45:12

The way you are sneering when you say this gaming a chair.


Jessica St. Clair  45:17

An era listening chair, a lot of new listeners are coming over from Felicia and we do them running for the hills.


June Diane Raphael  45:24

Always manage me and rein me in. But I’m your Sam’s not enough quite.


Jessica St. Clair  45:30

Now you live it. You live your truth about this gaming chair is very ugly, too.


June Diane Raphael  45:35

And I said Paul, if I ever see you with earphones, with head, a headset on and a device, or some sort of controller sitting in that chair, if I see it. I’ll never have sex with you again. It is the biggest for me to see a man gaming in a chair like that is or playing video games in general is such a big turn off. So for me, for me, but a woman but let me just come back to this but a woman in the chair having her own pleasure and experience with that controller that love. Yeah, that I hear you. I love. So I just want to I want to ask you about that because I just find it so fascinating that that was is a space that you have spent time in and and are passionate about.


Felicia Day  46:33

Well, I listen, this has a lot to unpack right now. And I will tell you I have controversial turn offs as well. I think any man who either pulls out an acoustic guitar or a deck of cards to do a card trick at Hardy. Absolutely not gonna lie vagina like sealed itself up.


June Diane Raphael  46:54

Yeah, that’s exactly right. It’s a self sealing protective measure, like with a duck when a duck duck hops on another duck’s back. And, yeah, I hope you understand though, Felicia that I’m being dead serious. When I say my vagina opens for women sitting on that couch. It’s lazy or seeing a woman at a poker table like a professional poker.


Felicia Day  47:18

Or billiard table. I think that’s high. That’s all right. I like yeah, I’m a disrupter. So I like to see people where they shouldn’t be, you know, that’s right. And I will say that my four I genuinely love playing video games. It’s something I’ve done since I was a small child. And while I have had probably some not great encounters with some of people in the space, I’ve had equally horrible encounters with men in the Hollywood space, which always drives me back to the gaming space because at least a portion of people appreciate me there. Whereas I feel completely invalidated. In this Hollywood world.


June Diane Raphael  47:59

And also, and also I, I’m wondering if there is a crossover between the personality or the, the passion, I like people who are passionate about anything, that’s what I when I talk about small talking, I’m like, find that what lights that person up? Yeah, then they will become an interesting person. So it’s like when we’re with a male comedian, it’s like, we all share the same passion. So I already have something in common with you, that’s true.


Felicia Day  48:27

That’s true. It is, I mean, you meet somebody has the same sports jersey as you are, and you’re gonna be like, we got something to talk about. It’s the same thing if I’m at a party and somebody’s like, got a fallout t shirt, or probably not Call Of Duty. I mean, there are different kinds of gamers as well, you know, there’s the more sort of aggressive sort of FPS kind of competitive gamer, which is, tends to be a younger kind of aggressive person. Those are groups of people online that sort of do not have not appreciated what I did or didn’t or nitpicked what I did. But again, the internet is pretty young. But the people who were on the internet first were they were gamers, and so they kind of staked out a claim. And now everybody acts like good and bad gamers online, wherever we were just good and bad people online.


June Diane Raphael  49:17

Wow, that’s interesting. And how did you, may I ask, like, how did you become such a public kind of the face of female gamers? Because you really did.


Felicia Day  49:28

Yeah, I did. Back when I was at, I was a, you know, an actor. And I was, again, I, I have a terrible I used to have a very terrible anxiety disorder. And so I was very bad at audition. So I’d always be like, testing against people and then collapsing in the testing room and then not getting the parts we do know that story. Gray Yeah, yeah, it’s feels good when you’re just choke in front of like, 30.


Jessica St. Clair  49:52

Sit in the same room. That was strange. It’s like you all have to be shoved into this room while I walk in. With somebody tested an actor auditioning, and they said they had the same level of cortisol as a fake pilot crash landing a plane. So you don’t have to feel bad about that honey no, for real, they put on like sensors on them, sensing grabbing on you betting on you.


June Diane Raphael  50:18

I know I don’t know if that’s an anxiety. Well, I’m not to not to deny your anxiety. But I’m like, That is such a real, how could you not mean as such?


Felicia Day  50:26

I don’t know. I mean, some people make it through man. They’re that they’re that arrogance or slash? I know, beta blockers. I should have doubled up anyway. So anyway, I would do that, and over and over and that I booked a million commercials. So I was paying my bills, but I wasn’t happy. So I and half our pilot, I went and did some sketch comedy writing, and then I wrote a half our pilot. And when I showed it to people, period, like I don’t understand this, people are gaming online together, they can talk to each other. How does that work? Like it was so early, it was just like, oh, wow, they were like, what? People could talk to each other on the internet. I mean, it was that early. This was like when the iPhone just came out and YouTube just started. So then my friend who was doing some sketches were like, let’s shoot a little bit of this and put on the internet. And we did it for like a couple $100 for my house. And it was so fulfilling to see people actually appreciate me after so many years, that I just kept doing it in my house for like years, we got funding, not very much, but we kept doing it for six years. And then I turned that into a company for YouTube. And then I sold that company to legendary. I did that for a couple years. And then I left because I wasn’t really creating as much as like producing millions of videos, which was a really what I wanted to do, but I was still proud of it, anyway, I had a kid I left that, and the last several years COVID but also writing, and just acting and hosting. So I really, it’s been a full circuit of.


June Diane Raphael  51:44

I have so deeply impressed. I’m so because I really do I mean Jess and I cut from that cloth too, like it is and it’s not everyone, which in some ways, I don’t know if you feel this, Felicia, but in some ways, when I see other actors who don’t have 8 million other things going on, I’m like, wow, you must really just like believe in your talent. Like to just I’m like, wow, that’s that’s actually courageous to me to not like right, like, yeah, it’s true, literally, like, make a camera yourself to then film yourself and produce yourself and develop a whole new streaming platform or whatever it is, that I feel that there are others of us who fall into that category of just constantly, you know, writing producing, what have you because maybe we’re just, I don’t know, have too much energy to just sit back or it’s just not possible to sit back anymore.


Felicia Day  52:41

Yeah, yeah, I think it’s also just a reject, you know, just like most of my stuff is filled out of spite. Like, I was a very successful, like, I was like, a little bit of a prodigy when I was a kid, I was a violinist. And I got to like, you know, and I was a math major. And I was always like, the person who got straight A’s that everybody was impressed with. And so when I moved to Hollywood, I’m like, if I got a scene, study class, and I worked really hard, I’m gonna get rewarded and pulling me and press with me. And that’s like, oh, no, it was not the case at all. I had a real wake up call, my face was not perfect enough to get away with that shit. So at the same time of being completely devalued, I was like, fu I’m worth something. And then it’d be like this roller coaster of like, I’m good. I’m not gonna wrap up, and so anything I can do on my own, just to like, get it out there, and of course, you know, I have fans out there who tell me hey, I like what you’re doing. So every time I get rejected, I’m like, this is a good idea. I know it is. It’s just not pleasing these people.


June Diane Raphael  53:36

Finding your your group you that’s what I think I forget who I know who it is. This woman who wrote this book, two weeks notice about leaving your day job and, and pursuing being an entrepreneur, and she said, and her name is blank. She said, you only need a tiny sliver of the Internet to make a lot of money. You have to find the people who really love you. You don’t have to have a billion of them. And I thought that’s shocking.


Felicia Day  54:09

No, no, I mean, like, I think, you know, depending on what you consider a living, I think, you know, a couple 1000 fans could definitely support an artist or creator and allow them to do what the mainstream would not let them do. Like there are people who do like, you know, medieval pod, you know, medieval podcasts and video is like.


June Diane Raphael  54:27

Niche City out there, and I love it.


Felicia Day  54:29

I love it. I love it.


June Diane Raphael  54:30

I love it because I have so many interests that that are really like, odd. And so to be able to scratch that itch via Tiktok or whoever I follow and like really learn laugh whatever it is. It’s it’s amazing to me, so I just want to share because I now now I am sort of like Jess was right I shouldn’t have gotten in so hard about like my reaction to male, male gamers in the beginning. I hear what you’re saying Jess, if I want I will take back as this. I have just you know, everyone been reintroduced to video games via my children. And I really enjoy it, enjoy Mario Kart.


Felicia Day  54:34

Mario Kart is great.


June Diane Raphael  55:20

It’s Mario Kart, and I love it. And so it is an interesting point of connection, especially I think, you know, for moms and sons or two, I sort of forced myself to do it. Because I was like, I have such a bad reaction to this, I really don’t want them playing video games, I really don’t want them on screens. And for our younger son, who wasn’t into sports at that time, it was, it was like, I felt myself kind of pulling back from that connection with him because I had a I had a picture of like, what it was, or I didn’t like the idea of him playing video games. It is such a great space for him. And it’s such a great space for me to enter with him. And I’m so glad I did because it’s actually like, really enjoyable for the both of us. And yeah, so I just want to say that I have like totally, now Call of Duty violence women. I got I can’t, I can’t. But there are areas. And during COVID My husband who’d never play games got into what what is it legend? Legend of Zelda Legend of Zelda?


Felicia Day  56:34

Yeah, yeah. So this gray, that’s a great game.


June Diane Raphael  56:37

And because they couldn’t go out into the real world, you know, my daughter, BB and him. Were talking about these things, Bokoblins, et cetera, different side quests, that I refuse to learn the language. But it was as if it was as if I was living in Spain. And so I sort of started to understand Spanish, studying it. Yeah, as Moses, I’ll never be able to play because my brain doesn’t work as well to press buttons and watch people do things. But I really loved that they had this thing together, that they could escape the reality of COVID, quite frankly, and have fun and say, Oh, we achieved this. And when Bibi would go to sleep and say when I’m asleep, defeat this blank, and I want to see how you do in the morning. Like it was cute, how old is she? She’s 10 and wait for her to bond with other boys at school because BB happens to love. Her best friend has been a boy since she was six months old. So it’s a way for her to get into their space. Yeah, that’s a really beautiful thing.


Felicia Day  57:50

Well, I think I think we’re talking two different things. Like, also giving the gaming space only to men is I think, kind of a misnomer. Because I mean, totally it that that’s just a marketing thing that happened in fact, like 20-30 years ago more or should it was much more of an even kind of playing field. And because there was a big marketing push to make it more of a boy thing.


June Diane Raphael  58:13

Is that right? 30 years ago, it was?


Felicia Day  58:15

eah, absolutely. You know, and so there’s statistics, you know, you could see that there was a big marketing push to try to make it boy only and it kind of fit into this kind of world. But if you look at like a gaming convention nowadays, you’re gonna see like, a lot of women, a lot of them inside the scenes, a lot of women developers, I’m not saying that it’s either Plainfield. Yes, sure, there’s a lot of work. And if you kind of look in the inside gaming news, you’ll see a lot of the big companies constantly getting accused of, you know,  unequal practice harassment, all this stuff, but at the end of the day, I’ve been doing this for like, 15 years now.Vast difference in the number of women who are gamers and, and how that is part of their world. So I will say that’s one thing I will address, you know, like, your idea that this gamer culture is not for your kids. I think that’s very something though, I when I was making my show I wanted to push back against because yeah, there’s that typical, like, the aggressive dude in a basement wearing a black gamer shirt. You know, attacking people and being kind of rude. And that’s the whole sort of cliche of a gamer.


June Diane Raphael  59:23

Yeah. antisocial, and interacting. Being sensitized to violence to .


Felicia Day  59:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I totally get that. I mean, to me, like, I think our television is more desensitizing than video games, but the real are they gets you’re right, like there’s, there’s a lot of concern there. But at the end of the day, I chose when my kid was she didn’t watch any screens at three until three. I kept her completely off and then at three we started playing a half hour of video games at night together, because she’d watched me she just watched me play and that she’d get a super involved so it was really cute. We play all the Mario games like toads, greatest adventure Yoshis craftworld All these. And like it was something we could do together where we’re actively participating versus like passively watching something. So for that I thought it was more better for her brain to me or watching me play a video game. But yeah, I get you, and the good thing is that sort of that sort of cliche of a gamer, yeah, it still exists, and I totally hear you. But at the end of the day, there’s a lot more women. And the reason I wrote the guild about six diverse people who were different ages, different backgrounds, different colors than ever, from different places, is because that’s what gaming was to me. And I don’t like that Hollywood always painted gamers as one thing, when in fact, it’s not Hollywood loves to put people in a category and they love in a casting. It’s like, oh, you know, gamer, well, let’s go to the most cliched gamer you can imagine and it’s so irritating because it’s narrow, and it’s easy and sloppy.


June Diane Raphael  1:00:55

I really appreciate this. It’s the same as showing a woman I remember why Lenin and I started writing female friendship because it used to be the three friends were the nerd the slut, and the bitch. And it was like those girls a we are all nerdy slutty bitches, and also, we would never be friends. And so it’s like, so let’s actually write women the way they are complicated, dim, you know, three dimensional, and let’s do the same for the gaming community. Yeah, I love that.


Felicia Day  1:01:27

We’re not there yet. Nobody’s ever wanted to option my show. You know, it’s not like something that’s, and when you still see a gamer, that’s sometimes a woman, but she’s always like, she has super purple hair. And she’s like, 22 and wears mouse ears and like, I get it. It’s a high archetype, and it’s good that we’re getting liberated, but there’s a lot more to it than that.


June Diane Raphael  1:01:47

I really appreciate this education. And I think that, yeah, I have my own sort of ideas. And I’m happy that they’ve been complicated, but my children because I’m actually opening up to it again. I don’t know if Paul plays video games anymore, because again, I did. That was a boundary for me.


Felicia Day  1:02:07

With us, I mean he played with us. He was on a discord channel. He was on a discord channel with us during like COVID.


June Diane Raphael  1:02:14

But yeah, yeah, good that he keeps it to himself. I think it’s a private his. But there’s it might be a private thing, but that’s okay. Like there’s a lot of private work I have to do around some of my TLC, The Learning Channel watching. It’s like there’s some shows that are are not for me to watch. They’re just fun.


Felicia Day  1:02:35

Which ones what are they? What are they? Are they decorating?


June Diane Raphael  1:02:41

You know, Sister Wives seeking Sister Wives. The […]


Felicia Day  1:02:47

I have never watched any of that even


June Diane Raphael  1:02:49

Nine and counting and all of the dirty work that I have to do. You’re a dirty bird. I will never I will never forget I’m gonna I do not I cannot remember who tweeted this. But I thought it was so funny. Something along the lines of Fox News did to our parents. What they thought video games were going to do to us and I was like that could not be more true could not be better. could not write be again. I can’t remember who said it. But I was like, wow. Because we are generation of like they thought our brains were gonna be fried. And you’re right. I’m actually fucking thinking about it right now. And I’m like, oh, my next door neighbor’s Linden Linden Janet shirring when they got a Sega or whatever, I don’t know what it was Atari and we were playing Frogger over there, like it didn’t feel like this wasn’t for us. My brother and I played the same amount, exactly. And all the all the commercials were girl and boy, siblings together playing, yeah and parents, so.


Felicia Day  1:03:59

Yeah, I think it was a marketing thing.


June Diane Raphael  1:04:01

It was a marketing thing. Like Luna.


Felicia Day  1:04:03

But also, there’s a certain I mean, like, Listen, I don’t want to make a cliche. I mean, I don’t want to stereotype but like, I think a certain kind of game is more. I mean, not necessarily more appealing. But you’re right, like the cliche of the call of duty. Everyone’s screaming profanities to each other. I mean, that’s, that kind of took over gaming style. And maybe that kind of leans more, but at the same time, I know a lot of Call of Duty women players. So I don’t know, it’s just what you’re drawn to. I just know that if you’re a woman and you pop into a random chat. You know, even today, you’re gonna get harassed for it for having a voice of a woman instead. And that’s gross, and it should not be that way. So well, you know.


June Diane Raphael  1:04:41

You are such a wonderful role model for young women. You know, and and adult women who want to get into a space that is not being shown that they’re up can be a part of and that’s that’s beautiful. Felicia, thank you so much for joining us.


Jessica St. Clair  1:04:59

Okay so, Third Eye is on Audible and Felicia just for me just for my own. I encourage everybody go to go to Third Eye to check out. Felicia Day’s new podcast slash listening experience, extravaganzza TV for your ears, which I absolutely already do.


June Diane Raphael  1:05:19

But before we let you go is there knowing what you know about me and Jessica and video games and where we are starting right now? Like, is there anything you’d recommend we get into?


Felicia Day  1:05:30

Okay, this is very, I mean, boy, I mean, I could I could recommend like a Life is Strange, which is like almost like living a narrative book starring a woman a girl in high school super fun writing. I’ve never cried at a video game before but I did at the end of that so it’s beautifully written. So I would recommend that okay, or if you want the other end I love Stardew Valley, which is like a little indie game that you can farm and romance people and you go and mining and you know you go and you chop trees down.


June Diane Raphael  1:06:04

Those have given me like Oregon vibes which fly.


Jessica St. Clair  1:06:08

Okay, okay, get me like a feed sack. Get me a general store get.


Felicia Day  1:06:12

Exactly you can romance the guy who runs the channel. We know he’s married, but you can romance the doctor next door.


June Diane Raphael  1:06:18

So hey, don’t get sound really fun. The leash is on me. I can try whatever I want.


Felicia Day  1:06:24

But I would recommend that or Mario Wonder, the brand new one is super easy. And it has four players. So if you want some to play with your your kids, and you can even put pick characters that don’t get harmed by the bad guys. So really, it’s just about running and jumping. And you can play up to four players. So it’s a brand new game and it’s really sweet. I’ve started playing with my kid. So those are my tips. Those are my tips.


June Diane Raphael  1:06:44

Okay, thanks so much, Alicia. Really, in our Deep Divers find you on on yield internet


Felicia Day  1:06:51

Everywhere at Felicia Day except Felicia dot day on Tik Tok, which I don’t know why. And then Third Eye can be found at eye.


June Diane Raphael  1:06:58

Thank you, Felicia.


Felicia Day  1:06:59

Thank you. Thanks, you guys.


June Diane Raphael  1:07:01

Okay, thanks Deep Divers. We’ll see you next week, bye guys.


CREDITS  1:07:38

The DEEP DIVE is produced by Lemonada media Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael. Our producers Ana Cecilia, our associate producer is Dani Matias and ours supervising producer is Jamela Zarha Williams. Our engineer is Johnny Vince Evans. Additional Lemonada support from Steve Nelson, Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Special thanks to Anne Geddes for a cover art and Lennon Parham. For her sweet sweet vocals. The best way to support us is to rate and review. Follow The Deep Dive wherever you get your podcasts or listen ad free on Amazon music with your Prime membership.


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