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In this episode, X Mayo sits down with her friend, actress, and author, Julissa Calderon. Julissa gets candid about how she became a viral sensation overnight and scored a lead role on Netflix using her manifestation techniques. Join these two friends for tips on how to overcome systemic barriers, take control of your money goals, and successfully manifest your wildest dreams.

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SPEAKERS

X Mayo, Julissa, Speaker 3, Speaker 2, Speaker 1

Speaker 1  01:05

The person watching this will receive unexpected money this week […] Let me hypnotize you to start manifesting money so fast, your friends and family will think you’re doing something illegal.

 

Speaker 2  01:46

Have you heard about abundance checks, universe checks, or manifestation checks, and are wondering how to use them?

 

Speaker 3  01:52

Money comes to me easily. Money comes to me fast. Money loves my company when money comes at last.

 

X Mayo  02:00

Welcome back to The Dough, I’m X Mayo, actress, comedian and your new manifestation mentor, and here at The Dough, we’re trying to change your money mindset so that you can manifest the life and bank account of your dreams. All right, let me put y’all on if you didn’t know already, manifestation is all the rage on the socials, and in this economy, people are literally doing what they can to pay their bills. I mean, you just heard it. IG and Tiktok, creators are making videos with songs and fucking wind chimes promising the coins will start just rolling in. There’s apparently mantras that will add a zero to your bank account every time you say, ’em. Chad, I tried it, and I think a zero went away. Okay? And there’s even people trying to hypnotize the money into your life. I mean, listen, you may not believe this shit is real, but there might be some truth to it. When you’re manifesting something into reality, the most important thing for you to do is visualize that shit. Prepare for it, you know the law of attraction. But there’s some science to at least the visualization part of it. Research in Neuroscience found that when you imagine shit in your mind and truly put yourself in the scenario you dream up, you can actually activate the same neural pathways as an actual physical experience. In other words, your mind sees what you imagined as absolutely real and attainable and action worthy. So does that mean that manifestation works, or did you just become delusional enough to go after your dreams and accomplish them? As they say in the church of xmayo, Faith without works is dead, baby. That’s, I think that’s in the New Living Translation, but that’s not in the King James Version. I will want to say that anyway, to answer the question of whether or not the manifestation shit really works, is someone way more qualified in that department than me, and it is my girl, Julissa Calderon, aka Juju. She is my friend, a writer, producer and an actress known for her roles on hand, they fight with love and go off with Jess and Julissa. Even if you’ve been living under a rock, there’s no way you miss her old better light column on Buzzfeed that broke the internet nowadays, Juju is running her amazing company, Dream and Manifest, and has released not one, but two manifestation journals called Manifest That Shit. And Are You Ready To Manifest? Julissa, welcome to The Dough .

 

Julissa  04:30

Hi ,thank you for having me.

 

X Mayo  04:34

Oh my god, thank you, boo. Okay, so listen, we start every episode asking guests, where the hell their money went this week. So I have a special question for you. How did you manifest money this week? And are you allowed to tell me?

 

Julissa  04:48

Um, I have manifested money by continuously writing. I’ve been writing the same thing for the past few weeks, and it is to book a series regular role and the other are coming throug, okay? So something’s brewing, something is coming, and the money’s coming with that. And so, yeah, that’s the money that I’ve been manifesting.

 

X Mayo  05:09

Oh, my God, I love that for you. So when we see you on our television, okay, I want y’all to reference this motherfucking episode that Juju said it right here on The Doughhe said it out loud.

 

Julissa  05:21

Right here.

 

X Mayo  05:21

That she’s gonna be a series regular, and we see that, oh, that’s, that’s easy, that’s nothing, because she’s been one and will continue to be. But we all get into that little late, okay, but juju, you know, remember, I went to your dinner about manifestation. I was like, you know, Juju. I thought, this is some bullshit. You know, everybody would like manifest, but listen, I could sit my ass here all day talk about some manifest, but if I don’t get my ass to the gym, ain’t shit going rock and roll. So I was like, you know what, Juju seems like a real bitch, so I’ma go to her event, and I know she’s gonna explain this shit to me. But for the people who don’t know, can you help demystify manifestation? What is it really?

 

Julissa  05:57

Well, first I want to say that the amount of people that are now just talking about this. It kind of a lot. It kind of is like this thing, I think, where also people are kind of getting annoyed about it, because so many people are talking about it, right? They’re just throwing it out there, just like they throwing out the word narcissism and gaslighting, right? You hear it all the time, but I’ve been talking about a manifestation. I’ve actually always have been doing it, and just didn’t have like, the word to put it right, like to put it to this is just something that I’ve been doing. And for me, manifestation is like, wholeheartedly, truly, without a doubt, believing in something or some things, writing them down, bringing them to life because of the way that you are working towards them. That for me is what manifestation is, and it’s so I for me, I have like a four pillar thing, right? It’s one, like I said, wholeheartedly, without a doubt, undeniably, 100,000 whatever percent of being like this is for me, then it’s writing it down, then it’s doing the work. I think people always miss that part. They just want the shit to fall on the lap. That’s not how this works. And then, for me, the fourth one, which is like, what a lot of people, I think, don’t think about, or don’t believe in, because we live in a time right now where we want the reward right away, is that if you are doing the work, if you wholeheartedly believe in it, and if you’ve written it down, it’s coming to you, maybe not on your timeline, but it’s coming. So let it go and have trust that it will land on your lap when the time is right.

 

X Mayo  07:33

Oh, I feel like number three and four is probably the most difficult for people to do.

 

Julissa  07:37

Absolutely.

 

X Mayo  07:38

Because to do the actual work is hard, and then even for somebody like myself to do the necessary work, then it comes like, the faith and the trust part to where it’s just kind of like, yeah, you kind of like, gotta leave it and just trust and know that you planted a seed and it will blossom and grow fruit, and it’s time, and it’s always the perfect time, even though we feel like it should happen now, I’m wearing of a neuro it’s like, no, but you should wait. I’m so happy. I feel like you and I, you know, have been at this. I mean, I’ve been performing since I was eight years old. I know that you’ve been hustling and at this, and been a content creator and been acting for a while. I think it’s such a blessing Juju that we had to wait because, honey, your mind has to be ready. I’m telling you, this motherfucking industry me and Juju is in. It is not for the week.

 

Julissa  08:27

X.

 

X Mayo  08:28

It is not for the weak at all.

 

Julissa  08:29

There’s no way. I literally said this two weeks ago to my homegirlfriend, Sally, right here in my kitchen, where I said, I know why it’s taken me all of this time where now is where I’m reaping in the last few years, where I’m reaping, what happens so, like, I am now seeing that, and it’s a beautiful thing. Had it happened for me when I first moved out to LA 10 years ago? No, I would have been kicked off of someone’s set. I was not ready. My mentor was not ready. Like, I was still this little girl from the hood coming out to LA and not understanding how the game went. And so I understand it now, and you only understand things in hindsight and so and then in this stage right now, just like how you’re saying now, you maneuver through things differently. So now that things fall how you want them to fall, and the things that you’re not getting is because, clearly, if you’ve seen it in hindsight, and you’ve seen what it looks like and how the journey has gone, is because you’re not ready for that yet.

 

X Mayo  09:27

Yeah, or it’s not for you. It simply is not for you. That’s why I don’t subscribe to anyone taking my job, or this community is coming in, and then they’re sweeping high. Listen my value system, our value system will not allow us to believe that something could be taken away from me. It’s either mine or it’s yours. You can’t take it and something you’ve spoken about too Juju in interviews and a big part of the introspective work of in of are You ready to manifest is unpacking the way your childhood shapes your reality, and that includes your relationship with money, right? I’ve talked a little. I’ve talked a little about that. So what would you say your relationship with money was growing up?

 

Julissa  10:11

Um, interesting. Well, we have a lot of it.

 

X Mayo  10:16

Same girl, and did you not know you was broke? Like, I didn’t know until somebody says something. I’m like, girl, I always ate, I always had what I needed. And everybody in the hood was having the same shit, or we was sharing. So I was like, what you mean I ain’t got what are you talking?

 

Julissa  10:30

You know X, I didn’t know that I didn’t have it until, literally, like, about the fifth grade. And so that’s very young to know, right? But at that point, is what I knew I had we lived in the hood, and at in when I was in fifth grade, my mom and my father separated, and so my mom took me out of the school that I was in and put me in a different district, and that district wasn’t in the hood, so the kids was very different. And I started seeing they had one particular thing, which is so silly, but at that point they had, like, rolling backpacks. I’m telling my age this bullshit. They had rolling backpacks. I got to the school, and I was like, I don’t got no rolling backpack. Like, ain’t nobody in my school had no rolling backpack. Why all these kids got rolling backpacks. Why their parents is picking them up? Why do they look like this? Like it was very different, and I became friends with a group of girls, and one of them, I don’t know if you know who Gary Sheffield is, but Gary Sheffield is this old baseball player who used to play for the Marlins and the mariners. And one of the girls lived next to Gary Sheffield, and so I would go to her house after school, and this house was ridiculous, and they had all of the snacks, and you could go grab whatever you wanted, and and I knew then I was like, Oh, I’m different from these girls like, we not the same. My mom don’t got money. Like, like, these girls got money, and so I think that definitely affected me in the way that I moved. I wanted to fit in a little bit too much. Like I was like, oh, I want to be like these girls, but my mom would always be like, you don’t got it. You can’t go because you don’t got it. And she said.

 

X Mayo  12:16

She got the Spice Girls shoes with the diamonds on it. I need the Spice Girls shoes with the diamonds on why her Barbie got 17 different prom.

 

Julissa  12:25

Girl they used to go to school with limited two all the time period. Oh, so you want limited two. You could get one thing from limited to, I said, mom, but we gotta have outfits. She said, outfit. She said, juju, this is limited one. Okay, you’re limited to what?

 

X Mayo  12:40

No, but I know too you want to eat?

 

Julissa  12:43

That is when I learned, oh, we don’t got it. We don’t got it, and in middle school, I feel like I I learned there was more people that didn’t have it. It was a it was a different variety of people. So I was like, okay, there’s some people that got it, some people that don’t. I felt a little bit better. I also think that my mom was doing better, and so I was getting a few like elementary she was just probably just figuring her stuff out. I mean, she was new to Miami, so I think by middle school, she was better. She was bad back on she was on her feet. I also do think that my mom and her sisters, like they did whatever they had to do to show us a good life.

 

X Mayo  13:24

So we’re gonna take a quick break here, but you better come back, because you don’t want to miss how Julissa went from a local girl in the big city to a viral sensation overnight. I know that’s right.

 

15:11

When you moved to LA Juju, you worked multiple jobs, and then you landed at BuzzFeed, which is where I found you, when you was killing it all your Better Life videos kept going viral, right? And that’s when I first saw you working out, and you guys were having conversations with older Dominicans about identity and what it means to be black in America, and how that is not an erasure of your latinidad, but rather an appreciation of who you really are, you know, like it’s what that is. So that’s how I found you. So what was going on in your life at the time when you decided to move to LA?

 

Julissa  16:53

That was the Lulu. That’s what happened. I was real naive, very naive. I actually moved out here not to move. I came out here with a round trip flight for an audition for ABC like, ain’t nobody going across the country to go, to go do an audition. But at that time, I didn’t know any better. I was like, Oh, I got this audition for ABC. I gotta go. And so I didn’t have the money. But because of the mom that I had, she made it happen. She figured it out. We actually borrowed money from my great aunt, who put, like, my rental on her credit card, my flight on her credit card. And so I came out here for supposedly, five days. And on day two, I was like, Oh, I ain’t leaving. I’m gonna have to figure this out.

 

X Mayo  17:38

My God, Juju, how are we the same? When I went to New York on vacation, was supposed to be here for two weeks, and then it turned into eight years, that is crazy.

 

Julissa  17:47

Because we have this there’s something inside of human beings like us, um, and, yeah, you could call it, you could call it delusion. You could call it naivete. You could call it all of these different things. Or you could just say that there’s this fire within us that, uh, we kind of just, we kind of don’t see the boundaries or the limits of the world, and so we are going to push past that, because this is what I want, and I think that that does come from a strong support system.

 

X Mayo  18:17

How does your life change after BuzzFeed? Because y’all was going like, Y’all were, like, one of the first things that I saw, and a part of that whole new, like, viral sensation that was happening in like, the early 2010s like, that was new. Like, go viral, right? Like, oh my god, since vine, we hadn’t seen that. And you guys were, like, doing crazy numbers. So how did your life change after that?

 

Julissa  18:40

Yeah, I mean, when I first moved to LA, I mean, I didn’t get to BuzzFeed until a few three and a half years later. So my first three and a half years, I was just hustling, bustling, working all the jobs, and then I got to, I got there, and my whole life did actually change, like the whole trajectory basically changed. And it was because of that. It was because we were doing stuff where it was, like, going viral. I didn’t even know what’s crazy is, I didn’t know what BuzzFeed it was. When I first went in, I literally was just like, oh, they I have an audition here. And so they were doing some, like, uh, some branded commercial. And so I went in for this audition. I never got it, but what I did get was this guy who stopped me on the way out. I was like, who are you and where do you come from, and why do you sound like that? Why you look like that? You came in here with a light. This is crazy. Mind you. X, he work at BuzzFeed. He was an intern, and he was just so adamant about something about me, and so I gave him my resume. He couldn’t pull nothing, he couldn’t do anything, but he did. He literally gave my resume to somebody else. Somebody called me and said, hey, they say you speak Spanish. You want to be on a video real quick. And I was like, Okay, I did it. And the one clip that I was in that whole video went viral because of the one little clip that. I was in and the comments, everyone was like, bring that girl back. Who is that girl?

 

X Mayo  20:04

Wow.

 

Julissa  20:05

Isn’t that crazy?

 

X Mayo  20:07

Period, got it bitch.

 

Julissa  20:09

When you got, you got it.

 

X Mayo  20:10

Listen, Michael Davis has six minutes in doubt bitch, and nominated, please don’t play with her. Don’t play with her.

 

Julissa  20:17

Because when you have it, when you have there’s something about us, right? There’s something about some the people that have to walk around with the light that it attracts people. People see it and they they’re like, what is that? And who is that? And how, for whatever reason, that guy saw that light in me, and so did the people when I was on that screen. And so they kept calling me back, and they were like, Yo, you want to do videos here. And I was like, I guess crazy part is I did it. I when they approached me after I did a few videos, every video that I was in in the next I want to say, five or six of them went viral. Every single video kept going viral. And so these people were like, obviously, we’re gonna keep calling this woman back. And they offered me like a job, and I didn’t want to take it. I didn’t want to take the shit because I was like, I’m an actress for real, like, I went to school for this. Like, what you mean? Y’all want me to do videos like this was fun for the little, cute little, you know, I’m saying, in hindsight, I know now that was like, I needed to get through that stage and to work there, and to figure me out how to run cameras, how to run mics, how to storyline, how to all of these different things. But most importantly to my venture now, I now understand the puzzle is big. The life puzzle is big. You need every little piece to complete it, and that piece was so necessary for me to build a fan base so everyone could rock with me on this journey that I’m on.

 

X Mayo  21:46

And what do you write Juju when you’re looking to manifest money changes in your life?

 

Julissa  21:51

Man, um, I’m very specific. I think people will just be writing, just to write. I’m com. I’m like, so specific, like, I’m gonna put a date down. I’m gonna put an exact number down, and I’m gonna believe it. I’m also gonna not be ridiculous, because we can’t just also be writing some shit down that’s like.

 

X Mayo  22:10

Rachel said, 20 mail by Friday. 20 band, I want 17 Rolls Royces outside.

 

Julissa  22:17

You know? Like, that’s the shit that I think people be coming to me like, Okay, can I do this? I’m like, No, you can’t do that. That’s not realistic. Let’s be fucking for real. There’s a level of yeah. We keep saying the Lulu, yeah, there’s a level of that. But then there’s also what’s the let’s be realistic about this stuff. So I am very specific with what I write, how I write it, at the times that I write, as well. If I am not having the best day, I am not about to sit there and start writing about some money that I want to get. Specifically, I read a lot about money, so I feel like I’m not doing that in the day where I’m not having the best day, because I don’t want to have any negative thought like come into what I am trying to manifest for myself. So yeah, being specific, actually, I could say this because I put it, I put it on my close friends, but I’ll say it because we’re talking about money. I literally, two months ago, or a month and a half ago, wrote down that in April I wanted to make $30,000 minimum in the month of April from speaking engagements, from brand deals. However, I needed to do it, but I needed to, and literally, I wrote down April of 2024, and so a few weeks later, within the last, yeah, within a few weeks after that, I started getting a couple deals, closed some contracts up, and in this month, I am literally making $38,000 like.

 

X Mayo  23:41

Juju, let me hold $20 give me 20. Let me hold $10 American USD. Iuju, congratulations. That is crazy, not because it’s you, but I think that’s so encouraging to hear, because I think I know how hard you work, and I think I only know a fraction, because I don’t think we can really know because we don’t see it like we’re not in there with you. And I think the 1000 hours of dedicated focus, time and thinking and preparation that you have to do. It’s no small thing. So I think just being able to bear witness to that is so exciting and inspiring, because it’s like, oh no, if, if it happened to her, it could happen for me.

 

X Mayo  24:36

Okay, I know you’re probably wondering how the hell Juju learned to manifest so successfully, over and over again, and we got the answer, but you’ll have to sit through this ad break. Okay, I know. I’m sorry theyhey told me I had to girl.irl.

 

X Mayo  26:53

So I would love to know where you learned about manifestation, and at what point did you realize manifestation was for girls like us?

 

Julissa  27:00

In the alchemist Paolo Coelho writes about Santiago. Santiago story, this guy named Santiago throughout the story, who’s like going through life and and going through hardships and trying to figure out the dreams that he wants to dream. It’s for the dreamers it’s for us. And so I ran into this book in 20, I want to say around 2016 2017 and I read it two times in a row because I was like, wait, this is interesting. Like, this sounds like it’s me, like it sounds like it’s for me. Like, I remember reading it and feeling like this book is is they’re talking about. Usually it’s just, it’s just a guy named Santiago, but it’s really you. And so he has a quote where he talks about how the universe conspires in our favor in that book. And to me, I look, I remember looking it up. I remember looking up a little bit more about Palo Coelho, because I want to know who he was. And manifestation stemmed from the it was born there. Because I was like, oh, that’s manifestation for whatever reason. I remember reading, I think I want to say 2017 I remember reading specifically about Paulo Coelhos journey, and then about the alchemist. And that quote, for whatever reason, led me to something that said about manifestation. And I had never heard about that word, like for real. And so I started looking into it. And by 2018 I was like, talk about manifestation, like it was. I was I was like, oh, because I manifested this. Oh, because I manifest. And people weren’t talking about that yet, like people weren’t saying that word and throwing it around like that. But for me, I was like, oh, no, I’m manifesting.

 

X Mayo  28:31

What was the moment though, that you realize, like, now other people got to get in on this that drove you to start your company, dream and manifest?

 

Julissa  28:37

Oh, it was, it was, um, when I in 2019, right before, I dropped the journals in 2020, and 2019 I was like, Oh, I gotta do something. I got a platform for real now. I got money now, right? It was off, coming off a hentified. I was like, Oh, I got money. I’m doing this. I got this. And so I need other people to know about this. And so my biggest thing has always been. I am a sister to everybody. I’m supposed to be here. I’m supposed to touch people. I know that. I know that people see me and they’re like, oh, you one of us. We can relate to what Julissa though we can relate to a Sochi though ex, we can relate to them. We can relate to them. And so once I figured that out, because of the videos I was doing, because of the speaking engagements that I was doing because of just people really like, being attracted to me, like, because of my personality. I was like, Oh, I gotta give back. How do I give back now? Because I can’t, I don’t have the videos to give back, right? I don’t have that. Um, I’m doing speaking engagements, but I’m still not talking to everybody. I need us to do better, because I’m doing better, and I figured this out. So what better way than to bring out a journal? We need therapy, right? We need we need to figure this out. Don’t care about that stuff, but if I tell you, writing this book that looks cool and that helped me. Then you gonna do it too.

 

X Mayo  30:01

Absolutely.

 

Julissa  30:01

And so I found that that was the way like to get to our community for real and talk to them in a way that still was cool.

 

X Mayo  30:09

Has anyone came back and told you that they manifested the life they wanted because of the journals manifest that shit? Or are you ready to manifest? And what was it like hearing that?

 

Julissa  30:19

Yeah, I feel like I hear it a few times. I have people send me like, screenshots sometimes, like, Yo, this happened for me, and I can’t believe this, and I wrote this down because of your journal. And, um, I don’t know. I don’t think I get, I don’t think there’s words to like, I can’t put together words to say the feeling, um, I don’t know how. I don’t know how to I just know that it’s the closest thing that I can say is the feeling that you get, oh, I’ma cry when you go to church and you feel filled up. And that overwhelming feeling of feeling full, you can’t explain it, but you know the feeling? I think it’s that I feel like I could never put into words. I’m like, wow, this was a God given idea, clearly. And if I’m helping people just like this, just to be able to tell you, like, Yo, you could reach whatever potential you want to reach, because I am you. You are me. You could do this and do it. And this is a way that, this is the kind of way that I could do it, that I did it. Maybe this will work out for you. And then they’re coming to me and telling me, yo, this worked. That’s a beautiful feeling, I can’t, put it into words. I can’t, like.

 

X Mayo  31:27

Money can’tan’t buy that.

 

Julissa  31:29

Impossible.

 

X Mayo  31:31

Yeah.

 

Julissa  31:31

It’s literally impossible.

 

X Mayo  31:33

Yeah, I think for a lot of us as black or Afro Latina women, it’s easy to see all the obstacles in the way of our success. You know, there’s so many systems and people who are invested unfortunately and keeping us down. So what would you say to a girl out there who’s like, I don’t know about manifesting my dreams and shit, like I’m struggling girl just to pay my light bill? Like, what would you say to her?

 

Julissa  31:58

I say one, I get it and I am, I was that girl, and listen to my testimony, to know that, like I am you, and that you can do this, and that there is the only obstacle in your way is you, I promise you. And if I have a little more time to sit there and talk to them, is really, to tell them really, truly, if you want to dig into my story, I come from some bullshit. I had a tyrant of a father. The odds were supposed to be against me, and I overcame that because of my mindset. So if you could change your mindset, you could conquer everything that you really want to conquer, but it all starts with you. If you tell yourself you’re ugly baby girl, you’re going to believe it. But if you tell yourself you are beautiful over and over and over again, you will believe it, just like if you tell yourself over and over and over again, you could pay that light bill, and you’re gonna have money left over to go pursue something else. You start to believe it, and you start gonna and you’re gonna start working towards it. But it starts with you. Everything starts with you. However you move throughout this world, it’s you. If things are happening to you, and it’s a bunch of bullshit over and over and over again, examine yourself and stop looking at the world like, why is this happening to me? No, no, why is it happening for you? Redirect your thoughts. That is a real fucking thing. I it’s as cliche as it sounds, it people, I feel like the accountability shit is such a big deal. I would not be here right now. I wouldn’t have that my journal company if I didn’t change the way that I thought.

 

X Mayo  33:34

That’s so beautiful Juju. It has been such a fucking pleasure speaking with you. I love Julissa so much. I know that everyone who listened to this episode loves her just as much as I do, if not more. Please buy Are You Ready to Manifest and Manifest That Shit. Follow my good sis on all platforms. Thank you so much for joining us. Julissa, I love you.

 

Julissa  33:56

I love you, thank you for having me. I have so much fun.

 

X Mayo  34:02

I know you don’t know Juju the way I know Juju, but you can trust she did the work. Because to truly get it out the mud, to get out the hood, it takes a crazy level of self confidence and faith. It’s not easy. This manifestation shit is not just magic when it comes to people like us chasing the life you want, only to run into systemic barriers like racism, sexism and all these other biases can really make it hard to believe in yourself. It’s time to start visualizing the life you want in spite of the shit trying to break you. And with that, go get you a journal, one of Juju’s journals. Okay? And you work on yourself, so when the money starts flowing in, you’ll know you deserve it, okay? And we’ll check back in with Juju next season to see if she got that new series regular role that she’s manifested child. I know she will be gonna see her all over the TV screen. Now let me get to manifest in my own shit. Okay, I’ll see y’all next week bye.

 

CREDITS  35:09

The Dough is a Lemonada original. I’m your host X Mayo. This series was created in partnership with Flourish Ventures. This series is presented by the Margaret Casey Foundation. Our producers are Claire Jones, Rachel Pilgrim and Tony Williams. Kristen Lepore is our senior producer. Mix and Sound Design by Bobby Woody. Original Music by Pat medy Miller. Jackie Danziger is our Vice President of narrative content. Executive Producers include me X Mayo, Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Help others find our show by leaving us a rating and writing a review. You can follow me on IG  @80dollarsandasuitcaseand Lemonada @lemonadamedia across all social platforms, follow The Dough wherever you get your podcast or listen ad free on Amazon music with your Prime membership, thanks so much for listening. See you next week, bye.