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Which phone is superior: the iPhone or the Android? Taking the side of iPhones is actor and comedian Langston Kerman, while fellow actor and comedian Baron Vaughn is Team Android. And here to adjudicate is Ronald Young Jr. Langston says iPhones look better, are easier to use, and that the majority of Americans agree with him because iPhones are a majority of cell phones in the US. Baron says Androids offer customization that iPhones do not and don’t fall victim to “planned obsolescence” the way iPhones do. How will Ronald rule? And will his personal phone preference influence his choice?

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Transcript

SPEAKERS

Ronald young Jr., Langston Kerman, Baron Vaughn

Ronald young Jr.  02:06

Democrat or Republican, religion or atheism, monogamy or polyamory, all questions of importance when it comes to choosing a partner, whether romantic or platonic. But there is one question that is the red flag of all red flags, the ultimate deal breaker, iPhone or Android? IPhone users are haunted by the inconvenience of interfacing with smartphones outside of the Apple ecosystem. Android users are annoyed by Grand iPhone updates made for features they’ve had for years. Are your bubbles green or blue? Which device and or operating system will come out on top? Is it iPhone or Android? We make that decision once and for all, right here and right now on Pop Culture Debate Club. I’m Ronald Young Jr.

 

Ronald young Jr.  03:04

Let’s meet our panelists for the day representing iPhones. You might know our first guest from his role as Jared on HBO hit series Insecure. But he’s also a hilarious stand up comedian whose new special bad poetry is on Netflix right now. Hello and welcome, Langston Kerman.

 

Langston Kerman  03:20

Hell yeah. Thank you for having me. What a lovely introduction.

 

Ronald young Jr.  03:24

I love that you’re no stranger to controversy, as your appearance on insecure was the subject of a lot of think pieces online.

 

Langston Kerman  03:32

Yeah. Seven years ago, people were real upset. Now no one cares, but at a time.

 

Ronald young Jr.  03:40

I’m deep at a rewatch. So it always, I always think about man justice, justice for Jared.

 

Langston Kerman  03:45

Yeah, I wish people would stop saying that to me. I’m, frankly, a human man who who did not experience any of the things that Jared did. And boy, would it be nice to have moved on with my life. But truly, every Instagram post I put up there’s somebody being like, Molly, did you wrong, dog? It feels crazy at this point.

 

Ronald young Jr.  04:10

This is a testament to your acting, I would say.

 

Langston Kerman  04:13

Or maybe just the show in general. I think, I think certainly Issa and the team put together something truly long, lasting for a lot of people. So hats off to them, and leave me alone. How’s both can be true?

 

Ronald young Jr.  04:32

I can promise you no more mentions of Jared throughout the rest of this episode, but let’s meet your opponent today. Joining us repping androids is stand up comedian and star of shows like Netflix’s Grace and Frankie and Comedy Central’s the new Negroes, also the classic film Black Dynamite and a smaller role of a show that I’ve been recently re watching Ken the security guard on superstore. Hello and welcome to the show, Baron Vaughn.

 

Baron Vaughn  04:59

Oh, what’s up? I love that you had to mention four credits to equal Langston one. And I’ll tell you, when Langston started posting clips at his special, I wanted to make sure I got the top comment, so I said, is that Jared from insecure and blew up that comment?  [… ] I like, No, I’m happy to be here. Happy to happy to rep the the Android clan. We ain’t, we ain’t nothing to mess with, especially because you don’t seem to understand us that much.

 

Ronald young Jr.  05:36

All right, well, I think we’ve done enough pleasantries. Are y’all ready to fight?

 

Langston Kerman  05:40

Oh goodness, yeah, wow, you come in hot.

 

Baron Vaughn  05:45

You can hear how heated it’s already gotten. We both, clearly just woke up. So I love this,

 

Ronald young Jr.  05:54

Langston, let’s start with you give me your opening argument about what’s so great about iPhones.

 

Langston Kerman  06:00

Okay, I prepared some words, iPhones. That’s how I begin iPhones. They are as deeply rooted in the American experience as circumcised penises and pretending not to have change with homeless people. I’m not here to argue that iPhones are good. They are not. My life was better before a pocket robot could tell me what little bow wow was doing at all times, none of this is the way we should be living. But if I have to live with this inescapable evil constantly radiating my crotch, then I prefer it be the sexiest evil money can buy. IPhones are simply the best kind of bad. They look nicer, they’re easier to use, and Rihanna has one. And who are any of us to argue with Rihanna androids with their unnatural weight and their screams made from the glass at dangerous fast food restaurants. Not only do androids lack pizzazz, they also lack a story. The iPhone tells you the story of a brave man, Steve Devonte Jones, a bold man who put on a turtle neck and some little glasses and steepled his hands and pretended to invent world changing technology. But who pretended to invent the Android? Who Neil deGrasse Tyson, we don’t know. There’s no narrative there. There’s no story. Frankly, folks, there’s no heart, and that’s why the iPhone is a is a just finer piece of material.

 

Ronald young Jr.  07:45

Wow, this was that was I in all of my two episodes of hosting. Was the most impassionate prepared argument, I’ve ever heard, Mr. Vaughn I hope that you are ready with an opening argument that is as good as that one for Android, to prep him, set him up.

 

Baron Vaughn  08:13

See you guys later. I’m done. Okay well, I’ll say that I used to be an iPhone user myself. That’s right, I used to be an iPhone user, but sometimes when you go through the slaughterhouse, you come out on the other side not wanting to eat meat. In this case, meat is the iPhone. You see, I have grown frustrated over the years with the conformity of the iPhone, the lack of customization, the way that it just gets mad at you. And it used to feel like for a while that having an iPhone meant that you were gonna pay $1,300 a year to continue to have an iPhone because of the thing that they brought into the world. I would say that Apple brought this into the world and made this more of a business plan than any other cell phone company. And that is my two least favorite words, planned obsolescence. They want you to get addicted to what they have done to you, so that way, when they break it, you have to pay them to fix it. That’s why they call their their service, Apple Care. They want you to pay them to care. That’s how they see you as a customer, and that’s how they see you as a phone user and else as a human being, seem.

 

Ronald young Jr.  09:35

This is interesting. You, both of you, are setting the parameters for one phones being evil. And it seems that Mr. Von has gone with the affirmative defense of saying, This is how we’re seen as just a sheep to the slaughter. Langston, do you have a rebuttal to that?

 

Langston Kerman  09:51

I do. I what I would say to that is, is, while I fully agree that I don’t know that that Apple, Tim COVID. Looking and his squad are deeply impassioned about my survival. I don’t believe that they care about me as an individual. What I would rebut in saying is I don’t know that daddy Android gives a fuck about you either. I’m not sure that the white Corporation desperately trying to overachieve against the Apple Corporation is like, Yeah, but at the end of the day, we care about our customers. None of them care about us, not not one of them gives a fuck. And some of them find ways to not care out loud, and some of them find ways to care very quietly, and frankly, I prefer someone not care about me out loud so I know exactly how to deal with them, rather than Androids, which I presume are going to be sort of round one in the in the NSA, full takeover of phones and Technology.

 

Baron Vaughn  11:01

Yeah. I mean, that’s funny, that you assume that androids would be round one when Apple has the larger market share. So the more that you take over Apple, the more people’s phones you got access to, right? The other thing that I that I think is interesting, that people say, is we’re talking about androids as if they are a monolith, and they are not, and that is the thing that I continue to prefer. Because if you talk about an iPhone, you talk about Apple, you’re talking about one product which a lot of people think is attractive and that feels safe and good to them. But when you’re talking about Android, you’re talking about a variety of different phones that work in a variety of different ways. You have more options, more options that are more customizable. You got Motorola, you got Samsung, you know, which I think Samsung is the top of the crop, in my personal opinion. Now, of course, there’s a phone that I believe the company’s called Huawei, Chinese company that we really don’t want in this country. I don’t think you can actually buy a Huawei phone at any store. You’d have to special order it. But I’m just saying that all of these different phone companies are trying to achieve something that is the pinnacle of phone ability, trying to coin phases here, the pinnacle of phone ability in the panopticon, right? That’s a word, I think so of androidness, just saying that like an Android phone is not one thing, and that’s what I continue to enjoy.

 

Ronald young Jr.  12:33

We’ll be back with more pop culture Debate Club after this break.

 

Ronald young Jr.  12:46

Baron Vaughn, while you have the mic, could you do me a favor and describe a typical iPhone user? Who’s the average iPhone user?

 

Baron Vaughn  16:00

Complacent. Lazy, I believe, is the No, the average iPhone user, you know, I think it’s a person that thought that they were going to get acceptance, and in a lot of ways they did, because they got into a certain group, you know, a church, if you will, in which everybody’s got the same message and the same messaging is going to be an iMessage. It’s going to be blue. I was an iPhone user when they rolled out the I message, and I remember thinking, isn’t that what blackberries were doing? And nobody wanted to hear it. Nobody wanted to hear what I have to say. No, yeah. I just think that, like, you know, they’re they’re fine. I have a lot of friends that are or I used to have a lot of friends that are iPhone users, but they stopped texting me when they found out that, like, you know, my phone wasn’t getting their pictures. The pictures were coming in all pixelated from their phones to mine, my pictures to them, fantastic. Their pictures to me, not so good. And I wonder if that’s by design. And I feel like that’s the other thing about iPhone users. They don’t know that they’ve been had.

 

Ronald young Jr.  17:13

Langston, I know you probably have a rebuttal to that, but in that also describe what an average Android user is like for you.

 

Langston Kerman  17:21

I prefer not to make eye contact with him, but I know I would say that to the the customization that keeps coming up, because that is an ongoing thing that I hear from from Android people, all the amount of of customization you can do with your phone. Not one has actually ever customized anything. It’s always straight out the box version of the thing. And yet, they keep telling me how many more options that these technologies can afford them. And while that may be true, I don’t know that most people are actually benefiting from the customizable technology. Thus it eliminates, I would say, 58% of the argument that Android users make in solidarity with this technology. And I’m sure Samsung makes a fine phone. I’m sure that it works well and gets all the things done that you need to get done. But when it comes to the value of social interactions with human beings, we are social animals. First and foremost, we need to be able to remain connected to one another and the people who choose to cut off this major element of the way that we socialize are no different to me than those who watched people die randomly from the illegal vape pens that were killing us for a week and a half and then never again until COVID. They’re no different to me than the people who continue to vape merely because they wanted to be correct rather than safe and comfortable with the rest of humanity.

 

Ronald young Jr.  19:08

Langston, are you a preacher’s kid?

 

Langston Kerman  19:10

Brother, I’m a sinner. I ain’t got nothing to do with the Lord. I’m a devil man myself.

 

Ronald young Jr.  19:17

The inflection started to come in there a bit, and I was like, man, is he about to take a text? This is like.

 

Langston Kerman  19:23

No, Steve Jobs.

 

Ronald young Jr.  19:30

Well, let’s talk bubbles, green or blue. That seems to be really the heart of this argument. I’ve been in many a conversation with folks who fall on either side of this, and most of it has to do with what’s called RCS, texting and rich communication services, which is a text platform that Android users and many other phones are using, whereas Apple has enclosed theirs inside of iMessage, which does create the blue or green text messages. Depending on how you’re interacting with an Apple phone, both of you have been engaged in this argument. Baron, have you ever experienced someone expressing some level of irritation with you for having green bubbles? And what was this like?

 

Baron Vaughn  20:12

It’s exactly like racism. It is the same experience people being like, why are you green? Why are you green in my phone, and then I have to do the labor of explaining to them why my existence has is inconvenient for them. That is what the experience of having green texts are. Because that’s the other thing is that even what you’re saying is a perfect example of how privilege works, because I have to explain why my texts are green to iPhone users, whereas their texts are literally any color that I want them to be. Back to that customization, I can make them black, white, blue, purple, yellow and a background that is the sun setting. You know, in Japan, if I need to, that’s what I can do. So your texts are whatever color I decide, whereas mine are always locked into some sort of dichotomy that makes you hate me, I feel like that’s by design.

 

Ronald young Jr.  21:14

Langston, your thoughts green or blue? How do you feel about green or blue messages? I should say.

 

Langston Kerman  21:19

Well, I have some thoughts. I think all this time, people have been having these adverse reactions. That’s a gentle way of putting it, to these green bubbles. We’ve cursed at you, we’ve shamed you, we’ve ridiculed you for the green bubbles. And yet, despite all of that, despite despite all the innovations and customizations that your phone allows you. The Android developers have never once been like, Hey bro, let’s just change it to purple one day. Let’s just make it so that every text message that goes out is not green anymore. But we can, we can change what people are reacting poorly to and see if that, in fact, gives us a weird bump that no one expected. They remain stuck in their own bullshit, in their own green doo. Doo, if you and because of that, they’re unable to see the other side, to see the real growth that that these supposedly better phones hope to provide. So no, I don’t need to choose between green and blue. Blue has chosen to innovate, to move us forward, and green remained stuck in the past.

 

Baron Vaughn  22:35

Sounds like you’re saying blue is the light and the truth again.

 

Ronald young Jr.  22:38

The preacher reflection. I have to jump in with a fact check just real quick. I was gonna ask, okay, yes, well, Baron, do you want to you can go ahead.

 

Baron Vaughn  22:46

Well, I’m saying, isn’t, isn’t that happening these days? I believe I’ve seen a couple different articles about how the the format, or whatever, you know, that was it? RC? RCS, yeah, texting that. They’re trying to change it up so that way this inherent prejudice can get a little it’s a, you know, it’s kind of like a dei for phones, right?

 

Ronald young Jr.  23:06

Well, also that and the fact that the texting that comes in on Apple phones has actually changed color by Apple and not by Android. So Apple actually has color as control of that color. It’s an indicator that these are non iMessage phones. Does that change your argument at all, Langston?

 

Langston Kerman  23:21

It does not I, I acknowledge from the beginning that these are evil, evil corporations, and they are evil, evil corporations fighting other evil, evil corporations. Do your due diligence, Samsung and the rest to, hold Apple accountable for the bullshit that they do through litigation, through money fraud. I don’t know the strategies that evil corporations need in order to make it so that they are no longer blocked or made or weakened by this other evil corporation. But if you can’t keep up bitch, then you lose. You’re saying it’s systemic, is what you’re saying. I’m saying it’s this Apple has more money. What is it than Denmark? It’s like, something done. Yeah, we’re like the company itself has more money than countries. Sure. Like we are not gonna win. None of us are gonna beat this. So so either choose your king or what do we what are you participating for?

 

Ronald young Jr.  24:30

Baron based on that argument? Do you think that it’s possible that iPhone users have been brainwashed by the cult of Apple?

 

Langston Kerman  24:37

Oh, absolutely feels, may I say that that was a very leading question, but go on, Senator.

 

Baron Vaughn  24:48

Absolutely, and that was the exact thing that I started to feel myself, you know, I started to feel my own cognitive dissonance, if you will, in the way that I was interacting with the world as an eye. Phone user, and felt like, Why do I just walk around with this air of superiority? I don’t even know why anymore. And the more I looked into it, I saw that, you know, that they were, they had, I believe a wise man once said, that’s how they get you. That’s how they got me. And then when I read that after the takeover of Tim Cook, that Apple phones were no longer manufacturing their own screens, that they were actually buying their screens from Samsung. That I went like, oh, interesting. So Apple iPhone screen is actually a Samsung screen. I wonder what’s up with Samsung, is what I asked myself, and that’s why I’m there today.

 

Langston Kerman  25:40

I think certainly, if that makes you feel better, to to know that there’s a Samsung screen on my iPhone, and then I’m happy for you. I don’t I’m not here to take your joy away from you, to Yuck, your Yum, as it were. I just believe that at its at its root, that is the history of big corporations in America. I was listening to a podcast very recently about how Microsoft basically just usurped the internet from from Netscape Navigator. Netscape Navigator created sort of like the our navigation systems on the on the internet, and made it simple and easy, and everybody loved it, and they were charging a fair price. And then Microsoft essentially made a fake version of that worse. They they acknowledged ours is worse, but they made it free. And then everybody moved over to Internet Explorer and will never use Netscape Navigator ever again, and that just is the nature of the beast and and until we learn to take them all down, then I just prefer the way iPhone cut Samsung glass to fit my phone.

 

Baron Vaughn  26:55

Well, it sounds like somebody asked Jeeves last night, am I right?

 

Langston Kerman  27:02

What […] what you up to?

 

Ronald young Jr.  27:06

We’ll be back with more PCDC after this break.

 

Ronald young Jr.  27:23

Let’s talk a little bit about market share. So in the 2024 report from emarketer.com iPhone is leading the mobile market in the in the United States with a market share of 60.77 to 38.81 for Android phones. However, as of early 2024 Android had a 70.69 market share worldwide. So Langston, do you think that? Well, actually, Baron, I’ll ask you, and then Langston, you can respond, Baron, do you think that the iPhone is a case of American exceptionalism?

 

Baron Vaughn  29:12

Absolutely, I think that iPhones are our version of the credit score, something that we live with, that we assume, that other people live with. But you go to another country they have never heard of that they’re like, A, what now a credit score. So you’re saying that your government has put a number to your literal value, and you’re like, yes, they have. And that is essentially what I think, that the iPhone has become in the United States, a sort of a, you know, a sign of prestige, a way to differentiate oneself from other Americans, and to say I am better than you, which is, I think the most American thing about it, I didn’t actually know that that Android had a larger global share. But you know, I also know that most Americans have absolutely no idea what’s happening in any other country, myself included.

 

Langston Kerman  30:01

And may I say, I ain’t never been nowhere. I ain’t going nowhere. What that world got to do with me?

 

Baron Vaughn  30:14

I think I heard you say, build that wall, is what […]

 

Ronald young Jr.  30:16

I think it was in the same fun, at least.

 

Langston Kerman  30:20

I’m proud to be I’m.

 

Baron Vaughn  30:24

Surprised by your singing voice right there. I feel like that’s the exact same mentality of somebody that goes to Prague and is like, hey, where’s the Burger King?

 

Ronald young Jr.  30:37

Langston, what would it take for you to consider buying an Android phone?

 

Langston Kerman  30:43

Oh, well, my career would have to make a drastic downturn.

 

Ronald young Jr.  30:51

What are you trying to say?

 

Langston Kerman  30:56

I would have to be in the dumps, Ronald, no, I, I just think it would require a big shift in community. I think community is such an important part of this that Android users are often ignoring they, while they acknowledge that that they are victims of the iPhone community, they’re rarely acknowledging the way that they have essentially disconnected from a community that that sort of has all made a similar agreement and so and so, while I respect that maybe this community is slightly cultish, I’ll give you that there’s a cultish quality to it. But if I move to Utah and I’m living amongst the Mormons, then I need to practice a little bit of Mormonism, even if it ain’t my thing. You know what I mean?

 

Baron Vaughn  31:54

Hey, I think we just got the name of your next special a little bit of Mormon Mormonism.

 

Ronald young Jr.  32:01

Baron, what would it take for you to buy an iPhone?

 

Baron Vaughn  32:05

Well, you know, I mean, I think that Langston actually made some really interesting points right there, which actually reminds me of another reason that I moved over to Android in the first place as well. My Samsung Android phone is waterproof, and that became a big thing. That became concerning to us when our children started walking around and picking up things and throwing them in, I don’t know, toilets, stuff like that, when you’re like, what that was $1,300 and now I could just take my phone out, literally, wash it with soap and water, and move on with my day. To come back to iPhone, I think that iPhone is going to need to make some some movements into the waterproof phone territory. And I also think that they just need to the last few innovations that I’ve seen from iPhone, like Samsung screens. And I saw when they there was a news announcement of when they changed up their OS. And I remember thinking that looks exactly like Android. So like to me, they’re slowly moving towards being like Android phones, I think. And the more that they become that the more interested I become. I think the other thing that iPhones need to do, because the iPhone, you know, in Apple, this is their whole Mo, is that their their hardware and their software are exactly the same, right? So if you have an iPhone, then you have an Apple OS operating system. Whereas I, with an Android, have a choice of 1012, operating systems. I’ve switched back and forth from different systems. So if iPhone were to allow you to switch up what kind of OS you want without having to crack it, then I might be interested in coming back to iPhone. Less funny, more techie than I was expecting.

 

Ronald young Jr.  33:47

To sound this whole time, it got very serious.

 

Langston Kerman  33:50

I think the first company to minority report our lives is going to be the future technology that we all buy into and accept that, well, I will throw my phone in the ocean if you can make it so I can beep. Boop, beep, boop, you know what I mean? Like in front of me, you know, like you just swipe some of that does exist.

 

Baron Vaughn  34:15

It’s just not out there, yeah, out there at market share yet.

 

Langston Kerman  34:17

And that’s what I mean is, is once somebody puts their branded name on it and says, This is of us, then it’s going to change Apple’s relationship to everybody Samsung’s whoever’s but for now, if we’re we’re still rocking the phone game. Come on home, Baron. We miss you, man, come on.

 

Ronald young Jr.  34:41

This has been so much fun, I have to get closing arguments from each of you so you each have about 30 seconds uninterrupted to state your final case, and Baron will start with you. Android phones your closing argument.

 

Baron Vaughn  34:56

Thank you for starting with the person that has less poetry. You know the thing? Yeah, the thing, yeah, no, I think that ultimately, I’ve been very happy with my phone. And you know, the thing that has struck me I realized since I moved to Android and got an Android phone, is I’ve had the same phone for multiple years, whereas when I was with Apple over there in the iPhone world, I was going through phones, like butter knives through butter. And so I feel like, butter, are you using it? Just not a lot. I’m allergic to it. But still, I just, it’s the it’s the imagery that I’m talking about that like iPhones, you know, I felt like I was going through a mini of them. Because whatever I was doing, whatever I needed, the iPhone just thought it wasn’t right, and would crash on me, would freeze on me, would lock up on me, would be like, Oh, you’re out of storage. So things like that that were just the practical things in my life and how I actually use the phone is where I went to Android, instead of trying to fit everything I do into a prescribed box created by the demigod Steve Jobs.

 

Ronald young Jr.  36:15

Langston, your closing argument.

 

Langston Kerman  36:18

I’ll say this to quote the great Jay Z who, who quoted, probably another person that he didn’t give credit to. Men lie, women lie. Numbers don’t. IPhone just, just has the numbers. They just they just have simplified the way that we communicate with each other. They have simplified the way that we sort of have standardized the world. And in a world where things are continuing to burn, our country is becoming more and more divided day by day, isn’t it at least inspiring knowing that the people who hate you because of your politics, because of the color of your skin, because of the very, essence of what you represent as a threat to their humanity? Isn’t it at least a little bit comforting to know that when you text them, fuck you. It shows up blue.

 

Baron Vaughn  37:24

Shows up blue no matter who.

 

Langston Kerman  37:28

And that’s what they mean by that phrase, no matter who they mean, IPhone.

 

Ronald young Jr.  37:35

Okay with that. We this has been a great conversation with both of y’all are ready to issue by ruling. As you know, the whole point here is to get to majority rule. So currently is 111, the goal is to get it to two, one, me being the final vote here. So this argument in the beginning, it felt like it started something that was kind of plain iPhone versus androids. But Langston, you pointed out something very early on, and this kind of was a thread throughout the rest of your argument, which was, it doesn’t matter who the oppressors are, if you’re going to choose an oppressor, choose the best oppressor. And my issue with that argument is that, as someone who is kind of take issue with that argument, my issue with that art.

 

Baron Vaughn  38:23

[…] he’s coming over to my side. Let him go. Let him cook. Let him take that.

 

Ronald young Jr.  38:28

In most cases, that if I would agree with you, and I think in most cases you did agree in the ways, the uniformity of Apple can be oppressive to most users, but you’re saying, but the phone is better. You also noted that community was there, which means that people would have to leave their community to join theirs, thereby issuing that by de facto, because we’re all doing it, we’re all in the same community. And I think that’s right around then, is when I started to leave your side. But if I’m being honest, I don’t think you ever had a chance, because I am an Android user at Google Pixel, so you had a lot of work to do in this argument to begin with. So I really wanted you, I wanted to give you an opportunity to convince me. And in this case, I still think it’s Androids, which means the PCDC official position is that androids are better than iPhones.

 

Baron Vaughn  39:22

Man, I wish I had the chic right here. That’s how I celebrate.

 

Langston Kerman  39:31

Oh, listen, I wish you luck with your little podcast. I imagine, if this is where you’re gonna position yourself, and this is the type of game you’re gonna set up, and it has no future.

 

Ronald young Jr.  39:47

I understand. In the spirit of that Langston, where can people find you?

 

Langston Kerman  39:53

You can follow me @LangstonKerman on all social media platform. Nobody else wanted this name. And you can watch my special. It’s called Bad Poetry, it’s on Netflix now, and and you can listen to my podcast. It’s called My Mama Told Me. It’s hosted by me and my friend David Borey, and we talk about black conspiracy theories and it’s a real sick time. Baron has a great episode that we did a long time ago, about 5g the topic of conversation with Baron von, and it’s very funny, we’re going on tour for my mama told me, so if you want to see us live, we’ll be in a bunch of cities coming up, and you can check all of that on my website and my Instagram and all that.

 

Ronald young Jr.  40:38

I am excited you are coming to DC, and I plan to be at that show, so I’m very excited to see you, and you to be there and all. And I also saw clips of bad poetry, so I’m looking forward to checking that out as well. Baron, where can the people find you?

 

Baron Vaughn  40:53

I will be at Langston and David Boris show when they come to Atlanta. You can also see me walking around random targets, just looking at stuff, not buying but just looking. Go to Baronvaughn.com that’ll redirect you to all my different socials. I’m on Instagram. I used to have a Twitter or an ex, but then it got stolen, and Elon laid off all the people who could have done anything about it, so I got an errant, illegitimate Twitter, you know, X account out there. So if you know how to get that back for me, hit me up on my website baronvaugh.com, message me there. And, you know, check out Grace and Frankie on Netflix, the new Negroes, of which Langston is in. The first episode is on Paramount, Plus, thanks for having me on here.

 

Ronald young Jr.  41:43

Thank you both for being here.

 

CREDITS  41:49

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