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Jackie Johnson is here with paintings that will make you cry, hummingbirds that will make your neighbors jealous, lipstick that will bring strangers too close to your face, and aftermarket (!!) bonuses. Plus, Kulap and SuChin share their favorite LGBTQIA businesses and organizations.

 

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• SuChin’s Interview on The Cut: https://bit.ly/SuChinTheCut
• Brightland Olive Oil: https://bit.ly/brightlandrosette
• Brightland Balsamic Vinegar: https://bit.ly/brightlandrapture
• CTZN Nudiversal Lip Duo: https://bit.ly/ctznnudiversal
• The 10 Jewelry Pronoun Collection: https://bit.ly/the10jewelry
• The Kulap Chain: https://bit.ly/thekulapchain
• The Denise Bracelet: https://bit.ly/thedenise
• Customizable Hoops: https://bit.ly/customhoops
• Donate to Gender Nation: https://bit.ly/donategendernation
• BLUNT Cosmetics Moonrock Face Oil: https://bit.ly/moonrockoil
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Transcript

SPEAKERS

Jackie Johnson, Kulap Vilaysack, SuChin Pak

Kulap Vilaysack  00:11

Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of ADD TO CART. A show about the things we buy and buy into and what they say about us. I’m your Kulap Vilaysack.

SuChin Pak 

And I’m your SuChin Pak, and this week, we have such a packed, great episode coming to you.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Oh, yes, but first, it’s June.

SuChin Pak 

And I have some pride add to carts you cannot miss. And I want to talk about a recent article that came out in New York Magazine, In The Cut.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Then a very, very special guest, Jackie Johnson owner, podcasting, vixen of Natch Beaut.

SuChin Pak

There’s so much coming around the corner. So let’s get into it. The first thing that I want to add to cart really the only thing I want to add and remove and add and then remove again from cart is an interview I did earlier this year for The Cut at New York Magazine. And I think everybody listening here already knows that I wrote this post right after the Atlanta shootings about my time at MTV and just something that happened to me there. And I had done this interview then and I told myself I was gonna do one interview, you know, I was like, I’d be willing to do that. And then I was like, I want to move on with my life. You know, I think trauma is it’s such a 12-armed octopus, you know what I mean like, there’s so many aspects of it that are difficult, but also really sneaky.

SuChin Pak

When I had shared all this, and we had talked about it, and tears were shed all of that. I felt like, okay, I got it out. You know, it was really vulnerable. And it was painful at times. And it was just the most supportive I’ve ever felt in my life at times. But it was done. And like any traumatic moment you like to put it away in a safe, throw away the key. wo when this, when I had heard that this interview was coming up and posting, I immediately called you. Dry heaving. And sobbing because like I said, you know, you think you’ve dealt with something. And then when it pops up again, your body doesn’t remember that, hey, remember, we dealt with this, and everything’s fine now, remember, when we said that? So that’s kind of where I have been this week, and sitting in those feelings. And sharing the story opens up a lot of stuff. And it opens up a lot of stuff that I thought I dealt with. And so it just is..

Kulap Vilaysack 

Also, you know, there’s something about […], you don’t want this to be the only thing you ever talk about, which of course, is not what will be what is to come. But it can feel that way when you’re, you’re vulnerable once again for this thing.

SuChin Pak 

I think that’s definitely a big part of it. Because I think I really pride myself in having it together and being buttoned up. And that is a big part of who I am. I do have my shit together. And so I really, you know, I have to make room for this as well and be okay with it, that it doesn’t have to feel like it negates or that it’s somehow takes away from what I’ve worked so hard to build in terms of you know, who I am and who I present to be like, that’s important to me, you know?

Kulap Vilaysack 

Absolutely, and the thing about it, though, is that when I read the article, you let me preview it prior to its publication.

SuChin Pak  04:04

I had to I couldn’t read it. I was like Kulap, you have to read this article and tell me if it’s terrible. And then you have to tell me if it’s going to help because if it’s not then I can’t greenlight the publication of this so and but I couldn’t read it. I started to and then I just called you because I couldn’t read it.

Kulap Vilaysack 

And if you haven’t read it yet, make sure you do. While you are being vulnerable and you’re sharing, it is you. It’s so well written while being spoken from the heart; you’re not attacking anyone. If it was me, way more expletives. At some point there would be a passage of all caps with a period. It’s so thoughtful but so thorough, it’s so SuChin. It wasn’t sensational, it was considered. It was measured, but it wasn’t without you know, I use myself as a counterpoint of like, sometimes I have a very, very big sticks, SuChin’s not like that, she’s 1000 cuts and I love that about you.

SuChin Pak 

Oh my god, it’s so true. I come in the night, I come in the night while you’re sleeping, you don’t even know I’ve cut you. And I’ve cut you a million times. And I sneak out and all day, you’re just tired. You don’t know why. It’s because your blood is draining from your body. And you don’t even see it.

Kulap Vilaysack 

By the drop.

SuChin Pak

Tiny drops. Oh my God, that’s amazing.

SuChin Pak

Thank you Kulap, I’m not going to get emotional here. But I really do. Thank you for talking me off that ledge, it is so important. You know, it doesn’t have to be protracted. And it doesn’t have to be everything doesn’t have to be unearthed in a moment. Sometimes you can have a friend or a sister or brother, just do that one little act so you can then move forward in your life. And that’s okay. You don’t have to get to the bottom of trauma at every point in your life. Right?

Kulap Vilaysack  06:05

Unfortunately, guys, it’s a lifelong journey.

SuChin Pak 

It was a bottomless pit. And I just want to say how this came about the editor of The Cut, Lindsay, she reached out to me and assigned Kathleen, who is an Asian American editor at the cut. And Lindsay is also a person of color. And I say this because I don’t think that this would have happened had there not have been women of color, people of color in seats of power that can make decisions like this.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Just to something that I said to you is that while you were describing a situation that happened to you at MTV, I think a lot of people could relate to things happening in a very similar corporate structure that’s not necessarily entertainment. And how HR, you know, handles things and if you were up to it and willing, I thought that it would help and speaking about these things are I believe important.

SuChin Pak 

Yes. Well, I mean, all the DMs and the posts and all of that if I didn’t see that, you know, moving the needle then oh my goodness, this has no place I would much rather keep this..

Kulap Vilaysack 

SuChin, you guys, she does not want to be the subject. You guys know that right? It is my goal to make her the subject and I want her to write a book.

SuChin Pak 

Oh, Ku. You better stop that right now because you manifest things more so you better take that back.

Kulap Vilaysack

I refuse to take it back. I can speak my desires Okay, as we wind down June I cannot let this month go by without sharing a few pride eight add to carts and the first one I want to talk about SuChin is the pronoun collection from the 10-jewelry doing a collab with gender nation. Okay. the10 jewelry is a custom fine jewelry company based in LA by best friends and jewelry lovers and my friends Dana Cavalier and […] I met Dana through Shira and Shira through Casey Wilson who is married to Shira’s bro, David.

SuChin Pak  08:37

Oh, I see. Okay, I like to get the family tree.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Okay, I like to give everybody credit. And sidebar, I have three pieces by the10 I’m wearing them now. SuChin, you’ve seen me wear this necklace. It’s a staple also a staple on my wrist. I have three bracelets one of them. It’s a yellow gold bracelet that’s dipped half of it is dipped in rose gold. And then for my birthday Miss Casey Rose got me these cool personalized, Kuku personalized hoops. And gender nation is a 501CTHREE nonprofit co-founded by my dear friend and longtime friend Morgan Walsh that empowers and validates children through purchasing and donating LGBTQ plus affirming books to elementary school libraries. And they do this by purchasing titles on a curated booklets that they come up with in bulk from publishers.

Kulap Vilaysack

And then they donate those books at the public-school districts. They’ve donated to over 300 schools so far, and that’s 150,000 students. So Sujit if you if you click this link that I have provided for you the pronoun collection. So when we openly share our personal pronouns, it helps normalize the reality that there is a gender spectrum and it creates more of an inclusive subspace. So this collection is an extension of this idea. They’re available 14k gold plated sterling silver and then 15% of the proceeds goes to gender nation.

SuChin Pak  10:12

I especially loved little pronoun gold stud earrings. Like you could get one that says her or she you know, depending on how you identify, I love that. I love how elevated this all is. And it’s beautiful. It’s just really elegant.

Kulap Vilaysack

I would get a her and maybe a human stud. I’m so excited for gender nation. Morgan Walsh again, just a beloved we took like UCB classes together over a decade ago. And the Los Angeles Unified School District, which is the second largest school district in the nation has invited gender nation to place these books at every single one of their 440 elementary school libraries, which is so exciting. So even if you’re not interested in getting jewelry to support if you were able to please consider donating them directly. All donations are tax deductible. Of course, all of this info will be on @AddToCartPod and in the description of our show, wherever you listen to our show, but really, it’s quality stuff for good cause and it’s really beautiful. So please check them out.

Kulap Vilaysack 

SuChin, the second add to cart that I want to share is blunt skincare. So badass founder and CEO Stas Chirkov, immigrated from Yakutsk in the far east part of Russia. Are you familiar with the Yakut people, SuChin?

SuChin Pak 

No.

Kulap Vilaysack

He’s my first Yakut friend. It’s an ethnic group that are the aboriginal native peoples of Siberia.

SuChin Pak  12:00

Interesting.

Kulap Vilaysack

Yeah. Me being ignorant oh Stas, is I think Stas is Chinese. Stas Chirkov, oh, Russian. And maybe it’s like, oh, as I learned more about him and about his background and about his heritage, it’s really fascinating. So that’s a side Add To Cart. Learn more about Yakut and Yakutska. But Stas has spent 10 plus years in the beauty industry before breaking out on his own to create a cannabis face or a collection. It’s high quality, 100% vegan and sustainably sourced ingredients. And the product that I love and use often is the Moon Rock. So you pull it up, SuChin.

SuChin Pak 

I’m going into it right now.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Full spectrum renewal face oil.

SuChin Pak 

And what does it smell like?

Kulap Vilaysack 

It’s such a mild smell.

SuChin Pak

Okay, so it doesn’t smell like cannabis.

Kulap Vilaysack 

No, no, no, not at all. So it’s like CBD rich hemp extract. It’s a blend of prickly pear sea buckthorn argan.

SuChin Pak 

Amazing. Oh, and you guys, this CBD, I think skincare, health care all of it. We’re just scratching the surface on the so many benefits to CBD oil. But I also think that there’s a lot of products out there that are just kind of scammy, you know? So, it just seems like it’s an everything in your you know, it’s overused. So something like this where you know, the efficacy that there’s research behind it. And it’s a really high-quality product. It’s something you want to buy from, but go on the moon rock.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Oh, yeah, I have used this for over two years. And so you apply it after like water-based serums and toners. And you warm up two or three drops of oil in your palms and it heats. And you gently press it on your skin, let it absorb and it’s really great.

SuChin Pak

But I’m looking at the ingredients, you guys. I mean they did not skimp on anything. Let me just say like, there is some really good stuff in here. Pomegranate seed oil, another fantastic. But I’ve really been into sea buckthorn is like a thing that’s coming up a lot. And I just think that it’s another ingredient that is just a game changer. So it’s all in here. This is great. Oh, I’m so excited. You know, I love a good oil.

Kulap Vilaysack  14:26

I know you do and I can’t wait to hear what you think of it when you try it. One last thing, just a bit of a call to action. Please support LGBTQIA+ owned and supported businesses every month. And if you feel like it, share with us your favorites by posting them in your stories and tagging us.

SuChin Pak 

I’m sorry, I just wanted to squeeze this in by the way. Because today is the day and by the time you this, this recording comes out, this will be everywhere. It’s a book called Pretty Boys. And it’s written by David Yi A friend of this podcast friend of myself, and it just came out today. Oh, also Ku, this is coming your way. And it’s such a beautiful book. Ultimately, it’s about how do we celebrate except who we are. and use that as our North Star. Do you know what I mean? Like it doesn’t matter how you identify it, doesn’t matter what how you want to wear your clothes, how you want to wear your makeup, how what color your hair is, it’s being true to who you are always and using that as the compass to making decisions in your life.

SuChin Pak

But that’s sort of the deep layer but really this book is he goes through from Neanderthals to Bad Bunny, about how makeup skincare all of that has been used over the years to make pretty boys feel powerful. And so, it’s really fantastic. And then at the end of every chapter, he gives a how to on how to so it’ll be like a chapter on BTS right? And how they changed, how we look at masculinity. And then at the end, it’ll be like, oh, here’s how to shave your eyebrows like BTS. It’s so fun.

Kulap Vilaysack  16:23

And David Yi is the mind and skin behind Goodlite products which I use every day. I love it. And I just want to say shout out to add to cart listeners Michael Grassi and Matt McConkey do not buy this, I’m buying it for you as a gift.

SuChin Pak

See, look at this the circle completes itself here on Add To Cart. I love it.

Kulap Vilaysack

Today’s guest is a comedian, actor and podcaster and influencer excuse me, who hosts the beauty comedy podcast Natch Beaut every week, Natch Beaut takes the intimidation out of self-care topics with laugh, songs and wisdom of how to support women owned and cruelty free brands. She is also a singer, a vegan home chef at a dog mom to […]. Please welcome Jackie Johnson.

Jackie Johnson

I am so thrilled to be here. The two of you brighten my days through your show, your Instagram’s, the episode of Natch Beaut, you came on that I really listened to. Y’all are tastemakers, you’re doing the work. We see you. We appreciate you. I’m thrilled to be here.

Kulap Vilaysack

Okay, wow, she just sort of kind of in showed back to us.

Jackie Johnson

I can’t help it you know, when you interview people all day and then you get interviewed and you start interviewing them?

Kulap Vilaysack

Here for you guys. Now Jackie, since I last saw you. You got married. Congratulations.

Jackie Johnson  18:02

Yes. Thank you. I’m Jewish now. I’m married. Everything’s coming up Jackie.

Kulap Vilaysack

You look so beautiful in your photos, Jackie

Jackie Johnson

Thank you. Thank you. It was a I made it look like it was a fairytale wedding. It was actually a disaster. Or do you know about that? We got snowed in during the ice storm. We couldn’t leave our hotel room. So we couldn’t go get married, where we were going to we had to cancel everything. It was just the two of us in our hotel room Over Zoom. And my makeup artists couldn’t come. You know, it was just it was you know; it wasn’t ideal. The photographer is an outdoor photographer, we were gonna have these beautiful outdoor photos, didn’t get a single one, had to stay inside. You know, it’s fine.

Kulap Vilaysack

It’s fine. I couldn’t tell from the pictures. You looked a serial. Jackie, could you give us a little bit of you know, what type of shopper are you?

Jackie Johnson 

Well, I’ve been trying to really paint my penny lately. I feel like nobody taught me how to save money, how to make good choices. So I actually was in pretty extreme credit card debt throughout my 20s and finally a couple of years ago, chiseled my way inch by inch out and then what did I do? I open a car and start charging again honey because that’s how you get the points right? So what kind of shopper am I? I am a researcher now I don’t pull the trigger until I know exactly what everybody thinks, I narrow down my options. I ask opinions and I really make sure that what I get is going to be good. Very rarely do I miss now, only when I kind of am feeling wild.

Kulap Vilaysack

Really? Where are your like your go to resources to get like reviews and recommendations?

Jackie Johnson

Well number one, the Honeys, The Honeys are the listeners of Natch Beaut, and they know everything, they know more than I do and they’re so on the pulse of everything. So if I need a moisture recommendation or you know any product, I go to The Honeys and they always deliver because they know what I’m looking for. I like the smart woman on businesses. I like to support cruelty free indie businesses, vegan businesses, and I say hey, I’m looking for a new this. Sometimes I don’t even ask. Sometimes I just creep on my own Facebook group. You know, I just creep. That’s a tip for everybody out there. You don’t have to ask, use the search bar, go into a Facebook group search I found hairdressers I found everything I can in this. There’s this one really wacky Facebook Group, Kulap. I don’t know if you’re in it, SuChin, you might be but it’s like an LA based group of just all these women and the poster obviously, all over the place. But if you need a rack in LA or anything, go in that group and there’s 95 people telling you what to do.

SuChin Pak  20:48

I don’t even know what a Facebook group is.

Kulap Vilaysack

This is just like with Michelle Collins, we’re talking about Slack. You are an organizer for A+, you are in our Facebook group.

SuChin Pak

I’ve heard it mentioned as an agenda item in our meetings.

Kulap Vilaysack

You have posted on the group.

Jackie Johnson

She doesn’t realize she’s posting it. Listen, Facebook’s confusing.

SuChin Pak 

Wait, there’s Facebook. Right? That’s where I post my things. And then there’s Facebook group. It’s like a group chat among facebookers?

Jackie Johnson 

It’s more of a message board.

SuChin Pak 

Got it. And anyone can start a Facebook group?

Jackie Johnson 

Yes. But that doesn’t mean everyone should.

SuChin Pak

And I, we have a Facebook group, Kulap?

Kulap Vilaysack

Yes. That is our main mode of communicating with people within the group that we organize.

SuChin Pak

My main mode is you; I text you with questions, and then you remind me of things as they come up, personally. So you have, you are my enabler.

Jackie Johnson  22:03

Kulap is your personal Facebook group.

SuChin Pak

Of course I am. I’m sure part of these things. But she does everything for me because she knows that I can’t find my way through the fog. And so it’s partly your fault. Do you like how I turn that around? It’s not gonna stick but I try.

Kulap Vilaysack

Yeah, I feel like I will let you know I am wearing Teflon today. So it did not pierce through.

SuChin Pak

This is a good tip though.

Jackie Johnson

If you don’t have a Kulap in your life and you need some recommendations. You go to the Facebook group.

SuChin Pak

Hot Tip. Hot Tip. Hot Tip.

Kulap Vilaysack

Okay, let’s get into some of the items that you’ve brought us. I think these are all add to carts.

Jackie Johnson

And y’all don’t know what they are, right?

Kulap Vilaysack

No. I’m gonna read them off for you though. Just to set you up. So for the first one, let’s talk about Brightland Rosette Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Brightland Raw Balsamic Vinegar.

Jackie Johnson

Okay, I’m so excited about these because first of all, I know Kulap loves to keep a house and loves kitchen and a tablescape. This is also an AAPI own brand. And a woman owned brand. Of course, this is what we do on Natch Beaut. So all olive oil is not created equal. This is something that I’ve found as I’ve matured into womanhood. And just like many other industries, the olive oil industry can be very ugly and bad and gross. And so this woman started Brightland. Everything’s made in California consciously. And they’re pure olive oil. And this one is infused with garlic. And look how beautiful the bottle is. There’s like a different artists doing a rendering on the front, but there’s a basil one, a lemon one, a chilione.

Kulap Vilaysack

I got that one.

Jackie Johnson

You have it?

Kulap Vilaysack

I have a chili lemon and the regular.

Jackie Johnson  24:06

This is a must. And it’s also a beautiful gift because it’s one of those things. What do you do when you need olive oil, you go to the store, but if somebody would buy you a beautiful kit of olive oil, you’re gonna use it and it’s so lovely and delicious.

Kulap Vilaysack

That’s how I got mine from my little sister Alyssa. She got me that for Christmas. She got me that and the set of the vinegars as well.

Jackie Johnson

Okay, so I’m jealous of you that you have the set because I have the rapture here which was made with California blackberries. And I don’t know like there’s never been a better balsamic ever. This is so delicious. I could just drink this as a shot but I won’t because it ain’t cheap. Man, your sister nailed it with the gift and woman owned, and Indian American owned, which olive oil I’m sure is a boys club.

Kulap Vilaysack

Yeah, I think that’s safe to say.

Jackie Johnson

Everybody up your kitchen game. It gives you some of this. It’s so good. It looks lovely on the counter. It looks like you have your life together even if you die You know, Lauren was on and talked about how she had all her spices and never use them. Use those spices and use this olive oil is so good. This is direct to Lauren. Lauren, maybe I’ll get you one of these, you know? Maybe I won’t say. It’s so good. It brightens my whole kitchen and oh my god, I caught my husband the other day, making like veggie. He poured this and like he poured a bunch of olive oil in a pan. I’m like this is not kind of olive oil, no, this is not like frying large amounts. This is too good. It’s a drizzle olive oil. I mean, he use half the damn bottle and I say I’m venmoing you right now.

SuChin Pak 

It makes more sense now.

Jackie Johnson

Yes. What’s mine is mine. Yes. I’m on number two Kulap, take notes.

Kulap Vilaysack  26:10

Okay, Jackie, what I am going to take away from this as I’m looking at you. You got that spout. You’ve got that spout. I have it, I still have their cap. I’m going to switch over to the olive oil spout.

Jackie Johnson 

A spout is the only way to go.

Kulap Vilaysack

You can get that separate. That’s a separate add on?

Jackie Johnson

This was an aftermarket purchase. I think they do have a spout on their website. But I had this already and I stuck this in there and it has changed the game because you can drizzle on your avo toast, you can drizzle on your pasta. It’s gorgeous. I love a good Instagram pic on my food.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Thank you for saying aftermarket. That really delighted me to know.

Jackie Johnson 

This is a third-party spout. It was purchased after but get that get it, you know?

Kulap Vilaysack

Jackie, please tell us about the CTZN Cosmetics Nudiversal Lip Duo.

Jackie Johnson 

Okay, so I’m wearing it right now. I just had on these three sisters, the Khan sisters, again, we have another AAPI on brand doing the work for us here. There are three millennial sisters. And they realized that the word nude is unfair. So they said I want everyone to have a nude. So they created 25 shades of nude for every complexion that exists. And they created the new diversity lip duo which is a gloss on one side and a really beautiful matte lipstick on the other. And the gloss is the exact same shade and it’s super pigmented. So you’re like, do I want to have the perfect nude? Yes. Do I want to do a gloss? Do I want to do a matte? Do I want to do both and really party? Yes. And they created them. And I wear this every day and every time I wear it people say, what? What lipstick are you wearing?

Kulap Vilaysack  28:09

They lean in like that. And they’re very seductive?

Jackie Johnson

Yes. And I say get away from me please have we learned nothing from COVID and I retract quickly. But that aside, it’s lovely lipstick. And I love it. They make one for everybody. And I have two shades because they recommended two to me, they said your lip and then […] version of your lip like […] just like your lip but like a little […] added to it. And that’s what this one is. So and if you DM them, they’ll match you. The women themselves, the woman who started the company, because they want everybody to get the right color.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Okay, what are the colors?

SuChin Pak 

Wait Hot Tip. You can DM them.

Jackie Johnson

You can dm them. They have a quiz on their website, too. That was accurate because they told me these two but I wear DC they’re all named after cities by the way. They’re like very well-traveled. And then this one is Capri. Yes. We’re living our life.

Kulap Vilaysack

DC, city of power. The Capri, okay, we’re like Mediterranean.

Jackie Johnson

We’re using olive oil sparingly with a spout.

SuChin Pak 

I want to know with the […] what’s that? what was that noise?

Kulap Vilaysack 

That’s a different noise from what Jackie made.

Jackie Johnson 

That was guttural. Mine had no guts involved. It’s the opposite. It’s almost like it’s […] Come on. I’m a delicate flower please pick me.

Kulap Vilaysack 

You’re being nice. You’re being nice. Okay, so, Vicki Sawyer Desert Party Art Print.

Jackie Johnson  30:16

Yeah, you got to click that. So I added this because I just bought this at the Huntington garden. And by bought it I mean, my husband bought it for me because when I saw it, I started crying. Now why did I start crying because I was about to start my period. But number two, because this painting is just cookie southern and peak. And that is my aesthetic. I know y’all are the cookie, Asian Auntie’s, so you totally get it. It was just, it’s basically a print of a painting of these birds of all varieties wearing hats that I can only assume they made themselves out of other flowers and things and they’re having a party in the desert. And I just started crying. I said, I want all birds to have a party in the desert. I want all birds to be able to participate. I want all birds even the little tiny, the little tiny Hummingbird has the biggest hat out of them all. I mean, yeah, it just tells a story and I loved it. And I started crying.

Kulap Vilaysack

It’s festive. It’s celebratory. I of course have a dress code and a theme.

SuChin Pak

I love that you were moved to tears. What brought you to tears?

Jackie Johnson

Again, I get really emotional when I think about the life of animals. I’m not gonna cry again. I just think that the joy animals bring us when I see animals experiencing joy I get so happy because so many animals don’t get to have a live like that. So when I see like these little silly pictures of these birds having tea together it just made me so happy. I’m also like a crazy Hummingbird lady. I was like the Hummingbird has the biggest hat he’s trying to make a statement and I needed I just I need that Hummingbird energy in my life like just because you’re a little doesn’t mean you can’t come in and snatch that party, doesn’t mean you can’t come in with that, make a statement with that hat,

Kulap Vilaysack  32:03

Really could take your space but everybody space to.

Jackie Johnson

That’s right. All eyes went to the Hummy when he enters the club. You know?

Kulap Vilaysack 

Wait, what makes you a crazy Hummingbird lady. Are we talking a lot of like feeders?

Jackie Johnson 

Yeah, feeders and I only I make my own sugar. I made the fatal mistake when I first started you know, experimenting with Hummy feeders, I bought it and all these people on Snapchat this ages me, they were like, oh my god, you can’t feed them the red sugar. And I said I didn’t know that. So I started making my own. It’s the Trader Joe’s unrefined sugar. That’s the what they like okay, the Trader Joe’s unrefined sugar and the water and I have the hottest Hummy watering hole in town. Anyone could tell you; I went from Silver Lake to the valley. They followed me here. They read it on squawk, which is Bird Yelp and they said oh, the new location is Sherman Oaks. So they flew here.

Kulap Vilaysack 

You have regulars that you recognize. That’s amazing.

Jackie Johnson 

I have, of course I do. of course I do.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Have you named them?

Jackie Johnson

I don’t, well, I used to name them I had a nest and in my old apartment on my I had two nests on my deck in my old apartment. And I named them each time they would have two babies I would name the babies but they all blend together so I was just I wouldn’t really call them but I would name them after like the drag queens on repulse drag race at the time. Like oh, there’s Valentina you know, I’d like name. So I kind of go by theme.

Kulap Vilaysack 

I mean, that was amazing that you had to nests.

Jackie Johnson 

I know and they kept rebuilding the nest and having more babies there I almost felt like I was like an Airbnb. I was like this is the place to have your babies and suffer like I’m like a birthing center. Because they kept coming back. The internet was like they might reuse a nest a couple times mine I mean this one Hummy had probably five liters. Kept coming back.

Kulap Vilaysack 

I love it every time I hear you refer to them as Hummies, I’ve never heard that before and it’s shocking to me because that’s how they will be known forevermore.

Jackie Johnson  34:01

Yes, yes. I and again I don’t know if that’s common, a common term but you know I like to cram my own terms around here.

SuChin Pak 

and Hummy hole, you know what I mean, like that’s also..

Jackie Johnson 

Be careful googling that. I will say cuz that might be bad if you’re at work or you know have kids or things like that.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Go incognito and that Google Search that’s a hot tip.

Jackie Johnson 

Do we have time for my last one because..

Kulap Vilaysack 

Is this your home?

Jackie Johnson 

Yes, we bought a house, Add To Cart. Homeowner honey. Good luck any future guests topping this. We have bought a home, Add To Cart.

Kulap Vilaysack

This is a huge cart.

Jackie Johnson 

It is a large cart.

SuChin Pak 

It is a beautiful cart.

Jackie Johnson 

This was not easy to get you know what I had to do? I’ll never be able to look some people in the eye again, what I had to do to get this. You have to basically give people your firstborn child, you have to yes, you have to pay for college of children that you know, aren’t yours. That’s why I bought the painting so now I can backtrack. Another reason I cried when I saw the painting was because I said I want that painting in my new pink bathroom.

Kulap Vilaysack 

And for those of you who don’t know that, that is your favorite color. Pink is your favorite color

Jackie Johnson 

Yes. And my bathroom is pink. As you can see there’s original tile from the 50s which I love a mid-century moment. And I saw the pink bathroom and I said Add To Cart. I said Add To Cart.

Kulap Vilaysack

I mean it’s perfection. Jackie this is gorgeous. Four bed, two bath.

Jackie Johnson 

I mean, you know what? We have worked hard, Kulap.

Kulap Vilaysack  36:02

You are a fucking Phoenix who rose from the ashes stronger, better, more beautiful than ever.

Jackie Johnson 

I snatched out of the dust and I said and I rose. Yes.

Jackie Johnson 

My head went all the way back. I went for a little bit. I came back, SuChin still down.

SuChin Pak 

I have back neck sweat. I’ve never sweated in the back of my neck in my life.

Jackie Johnson 

Well, maybe it’s because you’re wearing Freddy Krueger sweater.

SuChin Pak 

And I’m not taking it off.

Jackie Johnson 

Kulap, I would really do want some guidance on designers because I want to make this like a mid-century hole. You know what I mean? Like, I want people to walk in and be like, am I on the set of Wanda vision? You know, like, I don’t even want them to know people live in it today. So I’m going for like authenticity, honey.

Kulap Vilaysack 

That’s right. A museum almost.

Jackie Johnson 

A museum. Nobody’s allowed to sit or touch anything.

Kulap Vilaysack 

There’ll be red velvet ropes. And you’ll be like, the docent.

Jackie Johnson

I don’t know what that means. I could have said yes. But I decided to be real. What is that? What is that?

SuChin Pak

It’s like the museum. You know, guy, the guy. The one that knows about all of the things.

Jackie Johnson

Oh, I love that mood.

Kulap Vilaysack

Yeah, sometimes. Usually, it’s like a volunteer. Sometimes not.

Jackie Johnson

I’m not paying anyone. So yes, that’s what that will be. This house, I’ll be honest, it wiped me out and wiped me out pretty good. So I might be sleeping on an air mattress and eating vegan ramen for a while. But eventually, eventually, it’s going to be really cute.

Kulap Vilaysack

Yes, that’s totally fine. That’s great. What a huge accomplishment, you guys are homeowners.

Jackie Johnson  38:02

I can’t ever afford to go get coffee again. But guess what I’m gonna get I’m gonna buy a Square Reader. And I’m gonna make people pay to come over.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Hold on, hold on. Is that why we’re being invited?

SuChin Pak 

Yes, she’s a docent, you have to pay to get into museum.

Jackie Johnson 

Yes. It’s not free, honey, nothing is. So yes, please come bring your cards. I’m going to make you a latte. And then I’m going to look you in the eye. And I’m going to turn the card reader and look at you. As it says tip. I’m going to look right in your eyes so that you know that I’ll know if you hit no thanks. I will know if you don’t hit 15%-20%. And I’m going to look at you until you hit it and then I’m going to slide the card reader back over and see what you tipped. Free WiFi with purchase.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Jackie, also my year got filled up. I’m just looking at my phone right now.

Jackie Johnson 

We’re open on holidays. We’re open on, we’re open late. We’re open early. I can make it work.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Jackie, please tell us where we can find you across the internet.

Jackie Johnson 

Well, Natch Beaut is my show. As you mentioned Every Thursday we have new eps I interview..

Kulap Vilaysack 

The best show.

Jackie Johnson 

I interview all types of people but we love a comedian. We love a woman brand owner. We love a makeup artist. We just talk about makeup, beauty, skincare self-care. You know it’s a good time. So check out Nash view. I’m @JackieMichelleJohnson on Instagram, although I’m trying to drop the Michelle.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Why?

Jackie Johnson

Why not? Why not streamline I’m a homeowner. Okay, I’m busy. I don’t have time for a middle name. Walker will say call me Instagram you’re very hard to get ahold of. But find me on Instagram and find me in my house. Except don’t find me there. But you know what I mean? That’s where I’ll be sitting on the floor with no furniture, but it’s gonna be so fun.

Kulap Vilaysack  40:00

I don’t know if anyone This is a challenge for future guests. Will you bring a house to add to cart. Who else will do this? Who else will rise above queen?

Jackie Johnson

I can’t wait. I can’t wait. I could have brought pussy weights but I did bring a house. So I kept you guessing and that’s what I tried to do.

SuChin Pak 

We wanted to get the pussy weights.

Jackie Johnson 

I know. They’re fine. How do you think I got this house?

SuChin Pak

Oh, it all makes sense.

Jackie Johnson 

I recommended Kegel Bell to the realtor and then they got me a house.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Jackie, thank you so much for being on the show. We love you so much.

Jackie Johnson 

I love y’all. Thank you for all the work you do. And truly the show is not only a spot for people to come together and feel supported in spending their money in a way that empowers them, but you also empower through your education, your knowledge, your pain. It’s just a beautiful place and I’m thrilled to be here.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Thank you, Jackie.

Kulap Vilaysack 

Okay, that’s it for today’s episode, to read to SuChin’s article or to find all your LGBTQIA+ products, or to find all of Jackie’s products go to @AddToCartPod.

SuChin Pak 

And to find links to buy these things. Go to LemonadaMedia.com and click on Add To Cart under shows or go ahead and look in our show notes on your podcast app.

Kulap Vilaysack

Leave us a voicemail 833-453-6662.

SuChin Pak

And we’ll listen and we’ll respond. I love hearing the voices I don’t know it’s just like for so long. They’ve just been you know, comments on our thread and I just love here. I don’t know it makes me smile every time I hear your guys’s voice All right. Always, of course leave us a review. If you can. Rate us, review us all of that makes a difference.

Kulap Vilaysack  42:04

We might post it on our Instagram. We started doing that this week.

SuChin Pak 

Alright everyone see you next week.

CREDITS

ADD TO CART is a production of Lemonada Media. Our producer is Claire Jones and our editor is Ivan Kuraev. The music is by Wasahhbii and produced by La Made It and Oh So Familiar with additional music by APM music. Executive producers are Kulap Vilaysack, SuChin Pak, Jessica Cordova Kramer and Stephanie Wittels Wachs. Be sure to check out all the items we mentioned today on our Instagram at @AddToCartPod. Also, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast.