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Podcast star Alison Rosen joins Kiki, Hoja, and Mohanad as they dive into basketball player Tristan Thompson’s ongoing baby mama drama. They lay out the timeline of his affairs, dissect the feud between Khloé Kardashian and Jordyn Woods, and break down everyone who needs to apologize to Khloé (and who she needs to say sorry to herself). Plus, Hoja asks for an apology from a topless woman on a beach in Mexico and Mohanad gives us his review of And Just Like That… on this week’s Sorry Not Sorry.

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SPEAKERS

Hoja Lopez, Mohanad Elshieky, Kiki Monique, Alison Rosen

Kiki Monique  00:08

I’m Kiki Monique. And this is I’M SORRY, your favorite podcast about apologies. And this week, I spent way too much time deep diving into the origin stories of TikTok content houses. And now I just feel gross.

Mohanad Elshieky 

This is Mohanad Elshieky, and I live in a house that produces no content except this podcast. So please continue to listen to it.

Hoja Lopez 

Thank God. And I’m Hoja Lopez. And this week, I spent about 45 minutes total trying to untangle a mess of necklaces that I’ve had for I don’t know, maybe the last 10 years. And you guys I’m not good at it. I gave up three or four times and I’m still not done. This is just a PSA. Just keep your necklaces separated. Little baggies or something. It’s hell in there.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Great advice.

Hoja Lopez 

I have one necklace that says just as a big necklace says sad on it. My friend Stacy gave to me when I was depressed like eight years ago. And it’s still my favorite necklace.

Mohanad Elshieky 

That’s very effective.

Hoja Lopez 

Just to let people out there know what’s going on with me.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Just so you know.

Kiki Monique 

This week, we’re talking to Alison Rosen. She’s a podcaster a writer TV personality. She’s the host of podcast Alison Rosen Is Your New Best Friend and Upworthy weekly. She was also the former news girl and co-host on the Adam Carolla show. We are going to talk to Allison get to know her a little bit, talk about her background her shows but then we also are going to deep dive into this Khloé Kardashian, Tristan Thompson situation because it really needs to be broken down, don’t you think? I mean, there are a lot of moving parts. And I think we need to go through the timeline. And Alison is someone who will be great to join us and help us dissect all of this Kardashian-Tristan Thompson mess. Hi, Alison, thank you so much for joining I’M SORRY. I don’t know if you know much about us. But we talk a lot about apologies. And we talk a lot about canceled culture. And so we were really excited to get into something I’m very passionate about, which is Chloe Kardashian Tristan Thompson. So we’re gonna get into a lot of that, but we want to talk to you a little a little bit more first. You have a podcast, Alison Rosen Is Your New Best Friend. How did you come up with that? Like, is that something that someone you’re everybody’s best friend? Like? Where does that come from?

Alison Rosen  02:46

So, Alison Rosen Is Your New Best Friend actually started 2009-2010, as a streaming internet show under if you guys remember Ustream, where you could like stream yourself and there was interactive, so it was a chat room. So it started then and I think I first named it something really original, like the Alison Rosen show, or the Alison Rosen experience or experimenter, these names that like a million other people have. And then Alison Rosen Is Your New Best Friend just popped into my head. And like, it was sort of almost like a like a meme before memes. Like I feel like that you’d see that in magazines a lot. Like these jeans are your new best friend or like the purse that’s going to be your new best. It wasn’t only fashion, but it was like a little bit sort of flippant or facetious at the time, but then I feel like it’s sort of turned into something more sincere as it has gone on because I do want to be everyone’s new best friend and I do want people to listen to my show and feel less alone and feel like these you know things about them that they think might be odd or weird or make them you know, unlovable or whatever are actually very common like I feel like underneath it all like we’re all quite similar but everyone feels like their own weird special flower so yeah, it’s become more sincere.

Kiki Monique  04:06

You’re kind of the opposite of Mohanad and Hoja and like you want to be everyone’s best friend. We want no friends. We like try to push people as far away as possible.

Mohanad Elshieky 

I’m on the podcast looking for enemies for the most part but what not with our guests, obviously.

Alison Rosen 

I mean good because Conan O’Brien has come out with his show called Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend. And as I said in an Instagram comment on his post, I said I invented podcasts about friendship, so I don’t need more people trying to…

Kiki Monique 

Did he respond?

Alison Rosen 

He did not which is pretty; do you guys use bad words on this one? It is pretty shitty if you ask me. But anyway, I don’t need more people in the friendship space so I’m happy that you guys are alienating people.

Hoja Lopez 

It is celebrities superpower to not know that we exist though. That is their superpower. I do believe that it’s expert and magical superpower that they get to have.

Kiki Monique 

Alison, speaking of your best friend’s, it seems like throughout your career, you have spent a lot of time I mean, you yourself are a comedian, and you’ve been around a lot of comedians, and I’ve noticed you know, Mohanad is a comedian. Hoja is also a comedian. I’ve noticed like, as we’ve gone into, like, very deep into this canceled culture, apology culture, I kind of feel like comedians are getting the raw end of the steel because like, things that were funny, in like the 90s, that didn’t hold up. I don’t know if necessarily comedians need to be held accountable for things that we did really laugh at in 1990. And we thought was funny that maybe just isn’t so funny. Now, I don’t know. How do you feel? Do you feel like comedians who are like getting canceled now for maybe things they’ve done in the past? It’s fair?

Alison Rosen 

I don’t I mean, I should just clarify, I’m a funny person. I don’t do stand up, though. I did it for like, a minute, many years ago. So I feel like people who are true comedians, if I let that sit there, they’ll cancel me. You know, I have found myself taking the argument that there’s no such thing as canceled culture. Really, it’s consequence culture, because I think we’ve seen a ton of people get canceled who and deservedly so. That being said, recently, I find myself going back and forth. Recently, I’ve started thinking, I don’t know that I agree entirely, that there’s no such thing as canceled culture, because I can think of people who have been quote unquote, canceled, and I don’t think it was warranted. I think that we do need to consider the intent. Have you guys talked about Alison Roman on your show? Do you know who that is?

Hoja Lopez  06:48

Yeah. Briefly, just in relation to the Chrissy Teigen kind of part.

Alison Rosen 

Yeah, I was thinking about her recently. And she has a name that’s almost like mine. But other than that, I don’t know her personally, I’m not like a huge fan. She’s sort of an indefensible figure in a way at the same time. I think that the reason that she was canceled, which is in that interview, she talked about Chrissy Teigen  and Marie Kondo selling out because they, you know, Marie Kondo preached minimalism and then started selling products. And then she got cancelled for targeting Asian women. And I don’t really think that’s what like when I say that we should consider intent. I think she missed. Well, I don’t know what she misspoke. I think she actually meant what she said, but I don’t know that she deserved to lose her New York Times job.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Yeah, no, absolutely. I feel like sometimes, like, the cancellation depends on whether people like you so much or not, yes, yeah. Because Louis C. K. was cancelled all the way into Madison Square Garden, which he sold his special in August, which was like, what 20,000 people sold that arena. So and then you have someone like Kathy Griffin, who, you know, had that picture with where she was like, held Donald Trump’s head. And she had this whole like, you know, backlash about it. And she was she’s in this seasons of search party.

Alison Rosen  08:12

I love search party. I haven’t seen the new season yet, though.

Mohanad Elshieky 

And so she was like playing a character who was like, you know, kind of conspiracy theorists and all of that. And she looked, you know, has some like makeup and like wig and stuff like that. And I did not even recognize her not because she doesn’t look like it’s just because I forgot that she still did stuff because of that picture. She hasn’t been anything.

Alison Rosen 

Well, I do have late wonder, do women get canceled harder if we’re going to look at the people who’ve been cancelled what I would think is unfairly canceled. It seems to be more women.

Kiki Monique 

America hates women. I mean, you know, look like I think that we could look at the New Year’s Eve special, the CNN New Year’s Eve special where Andy Cohen went off and basically said, Bill DeBlasio was the worst thing that ever happened, right? And we can look at […], who also pretty much said Donald Trump was the worst thing that ever happened I mean, had a capitated head but you know, whatever. That’s art. Yeah. And the responses have been massively different. So yeah, I think women get cancelled way harder.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Yeah, absolutely.

Alison Rosen 

Can I tell you guys my hot take on contrition. I have felt this for years and years and years. When someone says I apologize. The word apologize versus I’m sorry. I always think if they say I apologize that feels calculated and insincere. I rarely heard a use of apologize that felt sincere. In fact, my four-year-old got angry at me last night we were playing a board game. He got mad at me for something. Maybe mad is wrong. He was mad at me but also upset and I felt that it was silly but I did want to apologize to him anyway. And I almost said I apologize. And I stopped myself. And I’m like, no, that is I wouldn’t mean it. If I said that. And I said, I’m sorry.

Kiki Monique  10:10

I think that’s a really good point. I feel like I use the word apologize. When I’m talking about an apology I’ve given but not like to the actual person.

Alison Rosen 

Yeah, I think that people use it when they feel like they’re supposed to be contrite versus I don’t know, across the board, but that’s just always been my gut feeling is that it’s, it’s when they are trying to show someone they can try it versus when they actually feel remorse.

Mohanad Elshieky 

I get that. I honestly feel like if we look more into it will you’ll be you’ll be right, because I feel like usually people just go to like, I’m sorry, you know, instead of I mean, this podcast name is not I apologize for a reason.

Kiki Monique

Well, now I want to pull out all those notes apologies that people have done and see where they’ve said I apologize versus they’ve said, I’m sorry.

Hoja Lopez 

It seems like apologizing is the act of saying I’m sorry, but it isn’t actually saying I am sorry.

Alison Rosen 

Right. That it’s like if this hurt you. I apologize.

Kiki Monique

You know, speaking of apologies, I mean, one apology that we could dissect recently was Tristan Thompson. I mean, Tristan Thompson, has a new baby. It’s a third baby mama. And it was a surprise to nobody, right? Surprise, but also not a surprise to anyone. You know, Tristan and Khloe Kardashian have been involved with each other. They started dating back in 2016. It’s now 2022. And what’s interesting about when they met so Larsa Pippen who’s now on Real Housewives of Miami, if you are following that she was really good friends with the Kardashians. And then suddenly, it was in like, I think, November like 2020, they all stopped following her. What she then came out and revealed was that she had been supposedly dating Tristan, at the time, she brought him to a party of Kim’s and then she says, 10 days later, Khloé was dating him. She said she doesn’t you know, like, it’s, it’s it is what it is. So already, I’m thinking off the bat does Khloé owe Larsa an apology? Because it seems like Larson had been dating Tristan, and then 10 days later, she’s dating Tristan.

Alison Rosen  12:32

Yeah. And then to add insult to injury. She’s like, I’m stealing your boyfriend and I’m not going to follow you anymore. And neither is my whole family. That seems extra rude.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Yeah, exactly. And so whether they do everything together as a family.

Hoja Lopez 

They’re like a little army together.

Kiki Monique 

When I unfollow someone, I expect all my friends to unfollow them. So I’m not gonna lie. I’m very petty in that way.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Just let us know, Kiki.

Hoja Lopez  13:01

I know, also, that a big part of it was that Tristan Thompson had also a child with another woman, and that it wasn’t just Larsa that apparently Tristan was still with that woman who he had a child with at the same time as getting into the relationship with Khloé. So yeah, just right from the beginning, right from the beginning, it’s already sort of doomed in a lot of ways.

Kiki Monique 

That was the first Jordan. So Jordan Craig, you know, Tristan started dating. And according to Jordan, you know, he pressured like, pressured her, like he really wanted to have a child. So like, they went through all of that pressure to have a child. And then a month after she gets pregnant, all of a sudden, all of these tabloids start featuring him out and about with another woman. Now, she didn’t name who the other woman was, but we find out later that it is Khloé Kardashian. So, you know, Jordan says that like basically she was so stressed out during her entire pregnancy that she had a really rough pregnancy, because he had cheated on her allegedly with Khloé, so it’s kind of it’s definitely already messy.

Alison Rosen  14:12

So, am I understanding that when Khloé started dating her friend Larsa his boyfriend, he was actually Jordan’s boyfriend, too? And she was like a month or two pregnant. He owes everyone an apology. What a dick.

Kiki Monique 

Everyone, exactly, Larsa dating this guy who you know is with this woman who’s pregnant and then the goalie steals allegedly steals him from Larsa. So and you know, the only people we feel sorry, the only person we feel sorry for at this point is Jordan Craig, because she’s like, I was just with this guy. You know, he wanted me to have a baby. I’m having this baby. And now he is cheating on me. And you know, so she has a baby boy in December 2016. And again, the timeline that Khloé says As they start dating with September 2016. So either way, it’s still messy, right? She’s broken up. You know, you have an eight-month pregnant woman. Yeah,

Hoja Lopez 

I’ll be 100% honest. That’s a red flag deal breaker for me. If you’re currently in, if you currently have another one is pregnant hasn’t even had the child yet. Yeah, and you’re dating me? I’m already like, no, it’s just seems like a lot of trouble. It’s just a lot. How about you just focus on that person on that baby, let that baby be born. Y’all nest for a little while. Let’s talk in a couple years. You know, but for some reason, I think maybe you think it’s wealth, because in my mind, I’m like, You got to take care of a baby. But if you’re that wealthy, there’s a certain amount of things that are taking care for you. So you can just date people who have a pregnant person in their life? I don’t get it. It’s a red flag for me.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Yeah, no, I feel like you get to a point where money like it’s not something you think about anymore. So you just do whatever the fuck you want. But it’s still weird, especially now that like Khloé got like cheated on in the same way. She you know, she met her like current, you know, is not with her anymore. But yeah, it’s just like, why are you surprised that he did it again, that’s just like his MO at this point.

Alison Rosen  16:14

They always say that they say that if someone cheats on, there’s a lot of someone’s in a sentence. If someone cheats on someone to be with you. Then how can you ever really trust them? Because they’ve shown they did it once.

Mohanad Elshieky 

And he had a kid with Khloé as well, right?

Kiki Monique 

Two years after they got together they had True and she was born April 2018. But this was after now mind you. They were together. She was pregnant, you know about to give birth and days before she’s about to give birth. Tristan is caught kissing two women in like a club and then going to a hotel with a third woman. So this is just days. So this is a pattern for him.

Alison Rosen  17:00

Seems like especially when his ladies are pregnant. Or maybe it’s just all the time.

Kiki Monique 

It’s probably all the time. It seems to really ramp up around the time they’re about to give birth.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Yeah, yeah. I mean it literally feels like one of those people who are like one of those men who are just like obsessed with like having children he just wants to have children as many would like as many women as possible because that’s the thing like literally because once the woman is pregnant and it’s you know, it’s a done deal he’s like okay, moving on to the next person I can have a child with and I think he’s just like trying to mix his genes with everyone, what is the best baby that just comes out

Kiki Monique

But at least okay that’s what I think Nick Cannon does but at least Nick Cannon I feel like keeps it clean, he’s like got this woman we have a baby moving on to the next, he doesn’t cross over and get these women all like thinking that they have a man when he’s really cheating on them, you know? Be like Nick Cannon if you want to spread your seed I guess is what I’m saying.

Kiki Monique  18:20

So I feel like in the beginning, you know we are Team Khloé. We don’t know the Jordan Craig thing too much because it wasn’t as publicized as like the later things. We’re just feeling sorry for Khloé, you know, she’s always wanted love. She’s supposedly found love, you know, and this is after the whole Lamar situation where we just want her to like win. And you know, now she’s having a kid, you know, her other sisters have had children. And so we’re just like, kind of rooting for her. And we also know that growing up, that she was really targeted by you know, gossip rags is like the ugly Kardashian, right? The fat Kardashian, all of these things. And so you wonder if that’s playing into why she’s dealing with a man who seems to be kind of toxic, right? You know, we’ve all been there. It’s like, you maybe don’t feel worthy. Because why? You know, I feel like when I’m rich and famous, I don’t have to date garbage anymore. That’s what I’m waiting for. I’m dating garbage right now, because maybe I don’t have options, but I feel like when I’m rich and famous, but what it’s kind of showing me is that maybe she still feels not great about herself?

Mohanad Elshieky 

Yeah, but also, I mean, also like, Yeah, the thing with her is that like she was always born into it. Like she has always been like rich. This is a very normal lifestyle. So I don’t think she has anything to compare it to and I agree with you. I mean, like she maybe feels that she actually deserves this, you know, like getting cheated on and stuff like this is the best I can do.

Kiki Monique

Alison, what is like can you remember like the worst person you’ve ever dated? Like oh, How long you put up with it?

Alison Rosen  20:01

Oh years and years, I was actually, I was just thinking about it this morning, this is about to get a little bit too real. I was thinking about the situations that I was in as a young person, that other women who had more of a sense of self would like I’m talking about, you know, like, older people I work with just doing like just all sorts of shady stuff that now people would have been like me tude for basically, and women who had a sense of self, I think would have been insulted or angry or reported them. I don’t know how much I’ve ever really even talked about this. I was thinking of maybe writing something about but I was thinking that instead I was like, flattered. Like, oh my god, he likes me. And he’s in a relationship, but he likes me so much that he’s willing to jeopardize it which these like, I basically was getting like the dregs of these, like, it wasn’t like you get to a certain age where you realize some people just seem to know this younger, but it took me a long time to realize it where like, if someone really likes you, and respects you and want something stable with you, they will approach you in a certain way. But if they just want to like hook up on the side, and they’re a garbage person, as you said before, then there’s a different way they approach it, and there’s like a seduction, and then it moves very fast. And it’s just a hookup basically. And I didn’t understand how to tell the difference. And now I look back and I think all of that attention that I was accepting and these guys that I was getting excited about, and I thought maybe I could have a future with. It was all like borderline insulting ways that they were approaching me and I that’s what I thought I deserved. And I didn’t know any different. So I fully have been Khloé, I mean, not to that degree, but like I get that entirely.

Kiki Monique

And I think the added layer on top of this is like, you know, Tristan is at this point under 30 years old. And so he’s in his 20s he’s obviously making a lot of money, you know, because he’s a baller, but in a way it feels like he’s a gold digger. Because, you know, he found one woman that he’s happy with. And then he seems allegedly kind of hopped to Larsa Pippen, who you know, has named clout, all of that recognition. And then Larsa introduces him to the Kardashians, which have the largest clout and he just hops over to their, to me, he kind of feels like I don’t you know, I don’t know, it’s not gold digger, but it kind of is.

Alison Rosen  22:22

Like a social climber because I’ve read he makes 10 million like, he has to now pay the baby mama 40,000 a month or something. And he makes 10 million a year. So he’s making good money, right? But do you think he’s like a social climber?

Kiki Monique 

That’s what it feels like.

Mohanad Elshieky

But the thing is, from what I’m reading he’s also retiring. Like, this is like his last season or whatever. I think maybe now because he knows that he’s retiring. He’s still let you know, like wants a stream of revenue to keep coming in. So you know, he’s trying to get into that circle still and remain in it.

Kiki Monique 

Yeah, I mean, cuz I think about when you get into the Kardashian circle, like there, that money is long. We’re gonna see Kardashians in our life until we die.

Hoja Lopez 

Yeah, absolutely. The game plan is already on. I already follow North on Instagram. It’s a lot. It’s like, oh my god, it’s just a new batch of people to like, aspire to be like, but to go back to the Tristan and kind of Khloé relationship towards the beginning is like, this is his relationship with the Larsa things. It is a complete and total pattern that is now sort of like fully coming to a head again. But I mean, she could go back, like she could 100% go back, like you keep thinking this is going to be the last time and then it just isn’t because then after Larsa and the other woman, it was like right when Khloé was pregnant, so she just had like, a couple of months before giving birth. So that’s when it happened again, correct?

Kiki Monique

That was really the first time that he was caught cheating was when she was about to give birth and so True was born in April of 2018. But then she reconciled with him because obviously you know, you see even if your man is a piece of shit, you still care about your kid more than anything and you’re just like, okay, everyone makes mistakes. He’s never going to do this again because I’m a Kardashian. Why would it be that dumb? But he was that dumb. Because then in February of 2019, it comes out that Jordyn Woods who was you know, be it you know, BFF with Kylie ends up kissing Tristan, and going on, you know, read table talk to really explain what happened. And we also hear what we hear from Khloé’s side what happened on Keeping Up With The Kardashians and that’s where it got this is when it starts turning into like mean girl territory and you start becoming either like team Khloé or team Jordyn. Yeah, essentially, you know, Khloé finds out that Jordyn kisses Tristan, and they go on a rampage. You hear them talking about, we want to ruin this girl’s life. You know? We have people like Kimora Lee Simmons calling Kim saying, you know, like, you can’t be nice about this. People need to know like not to mess with you. It gets real mean girl, Lars has chiming in because at this point, Lars is still friends with the Kardashians. They haven’t broken up yet. Lars is chiming in. Khloé, you know is tweeting out really nasty things about Jordyn. I think on the show she calls Jordan fat which really sends people into like really Khloé, you’re fat shaming Jordyn? And people don’t like see the side of Khloé because up until this point, again, Khloé has been the one that we have really identified. At least I know that me is like a fat girl. She had the personality because she had to because she maybe wasn’t the quote unquote prettiest and we’ve already always liked her now she has become the mean girl that we all didn’t like.

Alison Rosen  26:04

It’s funny how much of that just like I just total 180, like she called her fat. Well fuck her because now I have no sympathy for her.

Kiki Monique 

And Kim starts getting some heat too because you know, one of the things she throws out there about Jordyn is like, you know, she needs to be you know, grateful that all the all the stuff that Kylie’s done for her has been able to feed her entire family, like mind you, Jordyn Woods, grew up very wealthy. Her dad was like BFFs with Will Smith, you know, like they work together on the show. That’s why she’s friends with the Smith family. Like, it wasn’t like they were destitute. And Kylie was like taking care of this Popper, you know. So, really, I think that, you know, it was not a good look. And then, you know, Jordyn goes on the red table talk explains her side of the story. And you know, I will fully admit that I was team Jordan, especially after that interview, because she basically said, look, I fully admit I was in the wrong, she admitted, I should not have been partying with my friend’s boyfriend. She knows that like; she should have been. But also let’s just go back to like, this is what they’ve all done, Khloé, they’ve all hung out with the same guys and dated the same guy. So like, they’re kind of like, you know, being like wishy washy there. But anyways, she admits like, I shouldn’t have been hanging out with him. But I went to leave and he kissed me. I absolutely believe he leaned over and kissed her. And she was like, ah, it’s like, you know, five in the morning. I just want to get out of here, right?

Mohanad Elshieky

Yeah, and the thing is, like, didn’t like Khloé, forgive him, but not her.

Kiki Monique 

Exactly. She publicly drags Jordyn online on Twitter. But she doesn’t publicly drag her baby daddy. And that rubs people the wrong way because she feels like they feel like this is like a 20 something year old kid. And you’re like a 30 something year old woman? Yes, she made a mistake but like your man is the one you need to check and he’s the one that publicly embarrassed you and he is the one that you should be publicly shaming. So I think that’s where we kind of like now we’re on the other side of it.

Hoja Lopez 

And that’s a pretty classic like, misguided like focus of attention and blame and guilt. Is there’s always this thing of like, women are coming to get my man or whatever. That was did not come out of my mouth very naturally, women are coming to get my man. But no, it’s..

Alison Rosen 

I was convinced.

Hoja Lopez

But no, there’s the sense for me of like that is a common like misgiving and definitely like falls in line with some, like anti-woman kind of rhetoric that I feel like we all have inside of ourselves. And we’re not necessarily all there, I’ve admitted to you guys that I was a big slug shamer in high school, and like, that has definitely like a whiff of that of like growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. And like, assuming that it’s like women who are coming to cheat and take your boyfriend. And the truth is, is that people out there don’t owe your relationship or owe you anything really the only person that’s ever entered into an agreement with you is the person that you’re actually with. And so that is the person that you should hold accountable. Now Kylie, however, didn’t kind of had an agreement with Jordan and an unspoken way of like, hey, you should probably not go and you know, kiss any of my sisters, husbands or boyfriends. So there’s an unspoken agreement there because she has a relationship to the family. But the craziest part of this is like this was the biggest news in the goddamn universe when it happened. It’s because it has all the elements of like a crazy tabloid story just like cheating for the second time with a somebody that is already famous that we know is Kylie’s best friend. And it’s just like, the feeding frenzy around the Kardashians with this stuff. It’s good for business, you know, and it’s good for them and it sucks it’s at the behest of the pain of a Khloe Kardashian. But it just really keeps us talking about them. So to a certain extent, I think there’s a I take it all with a grain of salt, because I’m like, Okay, well, you’re still making so much money and still news over this painful stuff. Maybe, but they feed into it. Like they love being online, and they love being on TV. So they’re just so used to it.

Alison Rosen  30:26

I see. I feel like the kissing stuff. And I’m not excusing it. But that’s easier to excuse than impregnating another woman. I imagine that the close pain at the kissing. At the same time. It’s all betrayal. But just to your point about the 90s misogyny and feeling like women are coming to steal your man, which I enjoyed hearing you say? I think there’s also this like baked in, you know, retro grade idea that well, boys will be boys, men are kads they’re gonna stick their dick in whenever they can. And we women have to keep them in line. So like, it’s okay for my husband to go hit on you, but you just don’t reciprocate and then it’ll be okay.

Hoja Lopez 

Yeah, there’s definitely two ends of that for sure.

Kiki Monique 

So, obviously, you know, Khloé takes him back. We’re all kind of like at this point, we don’t feel sorry for you because you’ve been warned twice. You taking him back, but like, they seem to be doing their own thing. And it’s working for them. But then all of a sudden, in December, I don’t know, TMZ somebody gets a hold of a paternity suit that a woman named Maralee Nichols has filed in Houston, Texas.

Hoja Lopez 

Yeah, that’s where I’m from where all the cheaters are from.

Kiki Monique  32:02

What did happen was Tristan’s 30th birthday, they hook up and this is while he is with Khloé, and she gets pregnant. And the worst part that came out of this paternity suit was reading the text messages and the Snapchat messages that Tristan was sending this woman. Basically, you know, there was like, you telling her, obviously to get an abortion. And then there was the well, I don’t know what you think you’re going to get from this. You know, you should take this $75,000 I’m offering you because I’m retiring soon, and you’re not going to get any money from me once I’m retired. And like basically making it seem like she’s just like, again, a gold digger and just being completely nasty, saying he’s gonna have nothing to do with this kid, which is just like, Oh, you are a gross and I also I just found out I did not realize this Tristan is a Canadian. And I was very shocked to hear that because I thought it’s we’re supposed to be some of the nicest people. But really those text messages, that’s not very Canadian of you. So the paternity suit is filed. And then on January 3, Tristan posts in his IG stories, that yes, he is the father of Marilee’s son. And so that sibling that Khloé had been talking about wanting for True. She did manifest it, probably not in the way she wanted to. But now she has a sibling. I mean, just at this point, she can’t go back to him. Right? Do you think she will ever go back to him?

Alison Rosen 

I hope not. It seems like she’s having trouble shaking him off.

Hoja Lopez 

Yeah. You know, one of the things that I kind of stuck out to me is that in 2019 in June after the Jordyn Woods scandal, that, you know, Khloé mentioned that the cheating scandal was like, quote, like a debilitating blow to her soul, and that she was humiliated. And I can’t remember the last time I felt humiliated, or like that is such a raw, horrible like feeling to have in the public eye, then I can imagine that she’s going through it again. And I mean, that kind of stuff and issues that present themselves in our lives, like, they will continue to pop up until we’ve like, healed that wound. And so who knows if she’s healed it, you know, who knows if she’s not ready in a couple of years to get back into it and he’s going to sweet talk her into it. And

Alison Rosen  34:35

And in Tristan’s apology, which he posted on Instagram, he apologized for the humiliation he caused her and I went back and forth on that because I was like, to her, would that feel good to have him acknowledge it even though it’s in public, or is that just rubbing salt in the wound? In a way like to have someone talking about how they humiliated you publicly is almost more humiliation.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Yeah, I don’t know. I just feel like when people say to you, yeah, like, you don’t deserve this and you deserve better and all that shit, I’m just like, please stop.

Alison Rosen 

Very calculated.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Yeah. Cuz like what you’re saying is basically I’m doing this for you, I want the best for you. And it’s just like, no, you’re not like you’re a piece of shit like, don’t you know?

Alison Rosen 

Like his actions don’t line up with how he sees her. It’s like, what does that mean? If that were true, then he wouldn’t have behaved the way he behaved. It’s hard for me to believe anything he’s saying is sincere when this is a pattern for him. I think that he’s apologizing because he got caught. And it’s so public.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Exactly.

Hoja Lopez 

And ran that through the end of the line with a paternity test, like would not admit that he slept with her even until a literal baby form of proof was like, you know what it is to it. That apology. Alison really reminds me to have that thing that people say where it’s like, this is not who I am. You know, like that line. I always hear that line in apologies. Like, this is not who I am. I’m like, yes, it is enough to admit that as part of the actual resolution to say, I actually don’t respect you. And I need to figure out why I don’t respect to the people in my life, that gives me great things. Like there’s something about like truly admitting that you’re being a piece of shit, in order to take that as a stepping stone for the next thing, you know?

Mohanad Elshieky  36:32

Absolutely. Yeah, that’s like it. Like when politicians every time something bad happens. They’re like, this is not what America is. And I was like, are we just gonna keep doing this? Because it is what America is like, nope, no, it’s not. Or this is not the version we think so yeah, I think it’s, you know, it’s yeah, no, you need to acknowledge the mistakes or like the horrible stuff in order to progress and like, whether we’re like a relationship or anything else, but I mean, he’s not doing that. And I feel like if you ever need a DNA test, for you to finally admit to something, then you really fucked up here.

Kiki Monique 

The consensus is that we all agree that like, Tristan is a cheater, he’s always going to be a cheater. He’s not going to, you know, redeem himself anytime soon, at least. So like, leave him alone. But then this okay, so now I’m wondering about myself, like, do I have lower expectations of Khloé or am I being a romantic but you know, Lamar Odom her ex-husband in all of this mess with Tristan, I think he posted somewhere, you know, like, he wanted the best for her and he wanted to reach out with her and he was hope she was taking care. And it put a little soft spot in my heart, you know, because I actually when they were together, that was a couple I actually really did root for, he obviously had his own demons. And you know, he ended up almost dying in a, you know, brothel. What was wild about that was when that all happened. She wasn’t even with him anymore. She took care of him. And they weren’t together because she really did love him. And so I guess I’m just curious your thoughts? You know, to me, is recycling a bad idea in this situation? Does Khloé need to leave all of these toxic men behind or like, is there a chance that maybe Lamar was a you know, right person wrong time situation?

Hoja Lopez  38:30

I think she needs to find herself a nice good Midwestern IT guy who can’t stop praising her who just wants to live for her and her daughter And I just his name needs to be like  Joe and something just Ned, Ned Joe, Joe Ned. Will just love the Jesus out of her. And she should just be fine with it. But you know, she likes a bad boy.

Kiki Monique 

Do you ever see a Kardashian with a regular person?

Alison Rosen 

Like the most regular person they found was Travis Barker. But like there are guys out there who don’t cheat and I think when things like this happen the ones out there who don’t unless I’m like the most naive person in the world. I believe there are people out there who don’t cheat. And when things like this happen I think the people who don’t cheat are like why do women keep falling for these no-good guys when there’s like a ton of good guys, we’re not as flashy but you know won’t break your heart over and over.

Mohanad Elshieky 

They need to pull an Ariana Grande. You know, like, Isn’t she like what someone who literally has like an Instagram private? Like, everyone was like, who the fuck is this? And she’s like that is the point.

Kiki Monique 

I mean, look, I say all this without judgment because I know full well. I have a full-on crush on Tom Hanks Blacksheep son, Chet Haze, who is probably like the worst idea, but I can’t help myself. So I get it. I get how sometimes you just you like what you like and you can’t help yourself. Even if you have all the money in the world.

Alison Rosen  40:17

Kiki at first I thought you were saying you have a crush on Tom Hanks. And I was like, yes, go.

Hoja Lopez 

You’re doing it. You’re doing the thing we’re talking about. Yeah, he’s been married for a very long time.

Kiki Monique 

So Alison, if you were Khloé Kardashian, who would you apologize to? And who would you expect apologies from at this point?

Alison Rosen 

I would apologize to Jordyn Woods for being mean. I would expect an apology from Tristan. And I think that’s it, am I forgetting some other major players?

Mohanad Elshieky 

I mean, I think she should apologize to all of these people that she bullied on her show revenge body because she was very mean to them. Also, I’m just like, is she not aware that they’re like other ways to take revenge like I don’t know. You’re rich. Hire a hitman.

Hoja Lopez

Yeah, murder is a good one. I had friends who peed on their ex’s cars. I don’t know if that’s a good look but yeah, certainly a take.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Here’s the thing. I will never take revenge over someone by making myself do more work. Like what is that? Like, why am I being punished again by going to the gym so much? I don’t deserve this.

Hoja Lopez 

And if I was Khloé Kardashian, I would restock the black leather pant in a 3x on good American because I want it and I can’t have it right now because they’re out of stock. So that’s what I would do if I was her, at least as a first step towards reconciling. Get that 3x leather pan out. Get it out. Then we’ll talk.

Kiki Monique  42:15

Thank you, Alison so much for coming and indulging our Kardashian love and our deep dive.

Alison Rosen 

This was so much fun. Thank you for having me. I loved it.

Kiki Monique 

Can you tell everyone like where we can find you online on your podcast? All the things?

Alison Rosen 

Yes, please follow me on social media at @AlisonRosen on Twitter and Instagram. And listen to Alison Rosen Is Your New Best Friend that comes out Mondays and Thursdays. Monday is an interview Thursday is a group show. And then listen to Childish every other Wednesday and listen to Upworthy weekly every Saturday.

Kiki Monique 

Busy busy. Busy busy. I love it. Thank you so much. You’re our new best friend.

Alison Rosen 

Oh, good. Sorry, old best friend.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Okay, well now it’s time for my favorite segment every week. Sorry, not sorry, where we either apologize to someone who we wronged or demand and apology. Oh, I’m gonna start with you. Because you usually apologize to someone. Do you think someone owes you an apology this week?

Hoja Lopez

You guys? Yes. It’s crazy five feel owed an apology to, and it has a lot to do with kind of where I am right now. So I’m still in Mexico. My mom’s house. And I have been going to the beach every day, except for the days that it’s been raining. And I’m going to tell you guys something. I still am baffled by topless beaches. I am like so like; it still shocks me to my core at times. And I’ll realize this is I’ve been living in America for so long, that the culture of America has permeated in my brain. And so this is a different thing specifically, but so I go to the beach, and there’s a lot of topless people, right. And then I see a woman and she’s walking right towards me. And I’m sitting on the sand and you know, I’m still in like, you know, don’t get too close to me mode or whatever. And she sits right next to me and when I tell you right next to me, like our towels are, you know, like almost touching, right? And then so I’m already like, girl, you don’t have a shirt on. You’re sitting too close to me. It’s she’s just causing a nuisance in my peaceful sort of like just watching the ocean tide come back and forth, you know? And so then she starts like, loudly going things like oh my god, that’s crazy. You know, she’s just saying stuff like to talk to me kind of try to establish some kind of connection and conversations with me as she is topless was standing too close to me. So I don’t take the bait, but then she full on just starts trying to engage and ask me questions. And so I just want an apology from her, random nude lady in Mexico beach for infringing upon my nature time and forcing the prude parts of myself to like, I don’t want to self-acknowledge that I did. It was just too hard with the boobs and the conversation.

Kiki Monique 

Was she hitting on you though?

Hoja Lopez 

Okay, see, this is one of the I don’t think so. But I’ve been told in my life that many people hit on me and I have no idea that it’s happening.

Kiki Monique 

Because what would be her other reasoning? I mean, if this conversation didn’t lead to, like, she didn’t ask you for money, or any sort of handout.

Hoja Lopez 

She just wanted to hang out with me.

Mohanad Elshieky 

I mean, I understand as someone who really hate small talk, but I just love that your demand for an apology has been sandwiched into this like bragging session. I’m in Mexico at a beach. And those strangers are just hitting on me. And to that I need apology.

Mohanad Elshieky  46:17

Were you boobs out, too?

Hoja Lopez 

My boobs were not out. I can’t do that. I wish I could. I’m more of a you know, nude in showers and in dark rooms kind of person. They’re very specific reasons for me to be you know, butt naked.

Kiki Monique 

I love the idea of naked on the beach. But yeah, you’re right. Like when I go to Miami. I guess it’s like a thing in Miami too, I’m always caught off guard though when I see it. And I’m like, whoa, titties in my face. Cool.

Hoja Lopez

Then I just like stare not out of being attracted to the titties. It’s just that we don’t see them often. And when you don’t see something often it’s like if a little unicorn popped up, and you just gotta look at it and keep looking at it.

Kiki Monique 

Well, it’s like, you know, comedian Bridget Everett song about you know, Flapjack, you just want to see what other titties people are working with. Right? You know what your boobs look like every day. You look at them, you know, getting naked, but you’re just always curious. Like, oh, is this what’s happening? Oh, I didn’t know boobs could do that. I’m just curiosity.

Mohanad Elshieky 

I don’t think I want to be naked on a beach. Even if I was the only person on that beach. I’m just like, like, no, I’ll just wear still wear my shorts alone on this beach. Yeah, so Kiki, what’s happening?

Kiki Monique 

I don’t know you. You both have pets. So I don’t know, if you’re experiencing the same thing I am. It seems that a lot of people in this country are experiencing pet food shortages. It’s just like, you go into stores. There’s like no food on the shelves. And so I have spent several hours every week online just looking for pet food just trying to like get as much can you know, animals are finicky. If they don’t have the specific food that they eat, they like won’t eat it. Like you can’t just get anything. And so I’ve been searching anyway. So it’s like, I want an apology from Petco. You know, I am a rewards member use them often. And I found some or at least so I thought pet food online and had ordered some. I think the thing about Petco is like what I didn’t realize is like, they’ll say they have it. And then like a week later, they’ll be like, oh, sorry, it’s backordered, which is frustrating. It’s like, you know, like, why couldn’t you couldn’t just tell me that like within 24 hours, like why did I have to wait a week before you told me that? And so this weekend, I get this notification that the food was backordered. And I thought I had ordered two boxes. And I tried to avoid calling 800 numbers. I like to do chat. I have like customer service anxiety. So I always try to do chat when I can. And I did the chat. And I wasn’t getting the answers I needed. You know how when you just like are frustrated with the chat. You just close it. You’re just like, I’m done. I cannot. And I close it. And then all of a sudden I opened my email and it’s like your order has been cancelled. And so I didn’t know if like, the chat agent felt some type of way and just decided to keep because I definitely did. So then I had to call the 800 number and luckily, the 800 people were very nice. They reinstated the order. But you know, I still feel like Petco owes me an apology if you can’t get an inventory system that lets me know within 24 to 48 hours if something is back ordered, let me know sooner than a week. This is like you know animal food we’re talking about. So Petco I love you I’ll still be a rewards member but you owe me an apology.

Mohanad Elshieky

Yeah, I mean the only honestly the only way they can be forgiven if they choose to sponsor this podcast Petco. Hey, yeah, you got one chance here. Don’t blow it. Yeah. Well, I have been watching Just Like That and truly need an apology from the character of Che Diaz. I truly cannot. What’s happening here. Is this character is supposed to be a villain because I feel like that’s the vibe that I’m getting. But here’s my issue and it’s not just Che Diaz is just with like all of them now over one term that they’ve been using nonstop which is comedy concert. What’s a comedy concert, stop saying it as it’s a normal thing that people say there’s no such thing as a comedy concert? What if someone like what if someone who has never like been to a comedy show or not familiar with the terms and now just like hey Mohanad when is your next concert? I’ll die immediately stop doing this.

Kiki Monique  50:49

I didn’t notice that now I have to go back and rewatch these episodes. Just hear that because that is hilarious.

Mohanad Elshieky 

Anyway, if they’re listening, I don’t even want them to sponsor the podcast. Really just stop saying comedy console. That’s all I want.

CREDITS

I’M SORRY is a Lemonada Media Original. The show is produced by Alex McOwen, supervising producer is Kryssy Pease. Our executive producers are Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. Our mix is by Kat Yore and theme music was composed by Xander Singh. If you like this show, please rate and review. And please don’t cancel us. You can find out more about our show at @LemonadaMedia on all social platforms, or follow us on Instagram at @imsorry_podcast. We’ll be back next week and until then be nice, play fair and always say I’m sorry. Thanks for listening!