Making Peace with the Shadows

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Surviving a barrage of bullets is just the start of what Yvette Rodier will have to do to reclaim her life. The emotional damage will take far longer to heal than the physical bullet wounds. She gets married, has a child and chooses a career that allows her to use her past to help others.

Despite the looming shadow of the shooting, her life is one of beauty and generosity; of resilience and hope.

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Researched and reported by Amy Donaldson

Written by Amy Donaldson and Andrea Smardon

Production and sound design by Andrea Smardon

Mixing by Trent Sell

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Stephanie Wittels Wachs, Amy Donaldson, Dave, Danielle, Tony, Paul Cassell, Yvette Rodier

Amy Donaldson  01:21

Before we get started a warning to listeners. This podcast includes descriptions of gun violence and associated trauma and a heads up this episode includes the sounds of gunfire and cannons.

Amy Donaldson  01:34

That fear event told reporters would stay with her even after her attacker was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. She didn’t know it then. But one of her most significant challenges would be finding a way to reclaim her life in the shadow of that fear. The journey would turn out to be less of a straight and clear path and more of a roller coaster. From KSL podcast, I’m Amy Donaldson. And this is THE LETTER, Episode Six, Making Peace with The Shadows. It’s a summer of 2021 and because of COVID Like many people, Yvette Rodier working from home, producer Andrea Smardon and I are visiting her there. We punch in a code that will open the security gate accessing the community where she now lives with her husband and daughter. Their home sits in the shadow of the same mountain range, where her good friend Zachary Snarr was murdered and where she was gravely wounded. The gate faces in noisy busy Salt Lake County Road but once we’re inside the community of neatly arranged well-kept homes, the noise seems to disappear. We ring the bell and Yvette’s husband Dave would be ushers us inside. Yvette is seated at the family dining room table in front of a laptop finishing up a video conference. She and Dave are just back from a vacation in Mexico. And she’s wearing a neatly pressed white button up shirt. With her thick dark hair pulled away from her face by a pearl headband. Her smile is warm and she exudes a calm almost unflappable quality. As we settle into a quiet room down the hall from where she works. Andrea asks if her past has anything to do with living in a gated neighborhood.

Yvette Rodier  04:30

It wasn’t something we chose. But moving into this community has been outstanding for me and it definitely has brought this safe feeling to me that I didn’t know I was missing. It probably was within the first few months of living here and pushing the button for the gate and knowing that there’s no cars around me and that I go into the gate. I am now in a safe place. It just feels so good and I know it’s just a metal gate. but for some reason to have my car be protected and not be out in a parking lot where people can just be there. This is just an extra piece that is really lovely to have.

Amy Donaldson  05:13

The gate helps Yvette feel more secure. But it can’t keep out the nightmares that she’s had since the shooting more than 25 years ago.

Yvette Rodier  05:21

The nightmares have been me with someone that I care about another male, often, Zack, and we’re in random places. We can be at a restaurant, we could be at a park, we could be at somebody’s house. And then someone comes in and just open fires and kills them. And sometimes I die or think I’m dead in the nightmare. But it’s always for sure the other person, those are really hard to wake up from.

Amy Donaldson  05:53

And that’s been the struggle of its entire adult life. Since she first woke up in that hospital room. How does she escape the terror of this trauma? Among her first questions, why did she survive? Why was Zachary the one killed? And what would he do if he’d lived, she left the hospital with holes in her head and her side and a leg that dragged when she walked. She had no idea how those physical wounds would heal. But she was determined about one thing. The shooting wasn’t going to stop her from living the life she planned. Just a couple of weeks after leaving the hospital, she went out on a date with Dave, the man she’d eventually marry. But their path to life together was what one might call a long and winding road.

Yvette Rodier  06:49

So the funniest part about this my current husband, I went on a date with him the night before the shooting. I’ve had a crush on him since high school. In fact, he asked me out on a date the next night. And I said no because I had a date with Zach. So he was my, my current husband was my very first date after the shooting.

Amy Donaldson  07:13

The date was far from normal.

Dave  07:15

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more afraid mother letting her daughter go out for the first night out again, after something like that. And she knew me we’d dated before and I just said I’ll help you. I’m picking up here. Here’s where we’re going. Here’s the time we’re going to be that. And you would have just thought I was taking a newborn baby from you know, a mother born that day. I mean, she did not want you to leave her sight. We went to a youth football game worst mistake of my life.

Yvette Rodier  07:52

The youths have the cannon. And none of us knew how I would respond. But I did not respond well.

Dave  08:03

They fire the cannon after every touchdown. So we had to go after maybe a second score.

Amy Donaldson  08:13

That was one of the first signs that reclaiming her life would involve more than heeled holes and fading scars. Anyone close to her was going to have to realize the complexity of daily life.

Yvette Rodier  08:24

He took me home and he was in college and having a lot of fun and I was a bit of extra work, if you will. So we kind of just lost touch for a little bit.

Amy Donaldson  08:41

Just a few months later, Dave was surprised to receive an invitation to Yvette’s wedding. She was gonna marry Jeremy Evans, a man she had met in church.

Dave  08:51

Oh, I thought she was out of her mind crazy. Think you got engaged in February. We had previously gone out maybe into November. I’m going we just went out like two three months ago. Like I can hold my breath that long. Like what are you talking about? You’re getting married?

Amy Donaldson  09:06

Do you think that you sort of gravitated towards the marriage because it gave you somebody to be with all the time?

Yvette Rodier  09:12

Well, I had my mom. Yeah, like my mom was always with me. So I definitely had that. But he was taller and a bit thicker, broader shoulders. And I felt very protected with him. And he felt very safe for me and was somebody that I liked and trusted. And so we just developed a closer relationship and I loved him. I definitely did. I think I just was caught up in a lot of things and my emotions weren’t. I thought I was in control but I wasn’t at all.

Amy Donaldson  09:51

Dave wasn’t the only one skeptical of her plan to marry Jeremy. Yvette’s mother Linda was also worried it was too soon. Linda passed away a few years ago, but her younger sister Tony remembers, Yvette’s mom was concerned about the timing of the marriage.

Tony  10:05

Linda had a long conversation with Jeremy and said, You need to know what you’re getting into. She’s not healthy, mentally, emotionally, physically. There’s a lot here to be dealt with. And she still has all of the court stuff she has to go through. I really think maybe you need to give this more time and he was confident that he could handle it and things would be good.

Amy Donaldson  10:28

The wedding went forward in June of 1997, about 10 months after the shooting, Yvette was just 19 years old.

Tony  10:37

She’d had this wedding in her mind of the perfect reception, all those kinds of things. And it gave her a new focus for a little bit. It was picture perfect. It was everything that she wanted it to be. And I think that was one of the silver linings in a really ugly time.

Amy Donaldson  11:01

The shooting became a shadow that followed her everywhere. For Yvette, it seemed impossible to escape. Nearly everyone saw her as the girl who’d been shot.

Yvette Rodier  11:11

It was on the news for quite a lot of time. While the case was progressing. Every time there was a court hearing. There was news coverage. And I remember sitting in the restaurant once and just feeling everyone’s eyes on me. And I think it was the day of the court hearing. So I was probably wearing the same clothes that were in the cameras shots. And I felt like that person for so long.

Amy Donaldson  11:39

Event refused to be defined by the shooting. On her wedding day, she was just a beautiful bride. All the hope and optimism that belongs to newlyweds was hers.

Yvette Rodier  11:52

It was a princess dress. I used to have a gigantic bridal still around because it was too pretty dresses. I thought so. And I felt pretty unconfident and all of the bullet wounds were covered on my head. And all of the wounds on my sides were peeled pretty good. I don’t think I yeah, I wouldn’t have any stitches.

Amy Donaldson  12:16

Dave admits that even on her wedding day, the shooting still framed how some people saw her.

Dave  12:23

My mother when I went it is it’s just kind of a mechanical question Will How did she look? I mean, you mentioned to anybody in this world and they’re shot five times or however many times in your brain goes to a lot of strange places. And I just said she looked gorgeous. She looked great in a dress. And so I’m sure there was a lot of people dying to see how you’d look and you just radiated.

Yvette Rodier  12:44

Especially before social media. Like it wasn’t like I was posting that I looked okay, like the last people had seen me probably was coming out of the courthouse for the preliminary hearing. And that’s just different than your wedding day.

Amy Donaldson  13:03

Yvette poured her energy into chasing her dreams. She earned a degree in broadcast journalism from the University of Utah, she pursued her ambition of being a TV reporter landing a job with a sports department at KSL TV. Just as Salt Lake City prepared to host the 2002 Olympics.

Yvette Rodier  13:21

I got to do a lot of writing behind the scenes and then some editing.

Amy Donaldson  13:26

But she says the realities of working in front of the camera, were not exactly what she expected.

Yvette Rodier  13:33

They let me try camera once and I was horrible. It was hard to realize that my goal of becoming a journalist was just not for me, I did not have the skill set for it.

Amy Donaldson  13:50

if that was disappointed, but she still couldn’t shake the feeling that she’d survived that shooting for a reason.

Yvette Rodier  13:56

I’ve wondered, like, there must be a reason I’m here, right? I still I need to do something. There’s got to be some sort of purpose. And I didn’t feel it for a long, long time. And that was really hard. I kept thinking like, something’s gonna show up in my life and it’s just gonna work.

Amy Donaldson  14:15

As it turned out, the purpose she was searching for, came in the form of a little girl named Romney Ray.

Yvette Rodier  14:25

The moment my daughter was born, it just hit me. So, no, I just have to make sure she stays alive.

Amy Donaldson  14:37

Motherhood gave her the answers to questions that not at her since she crawled the safety that fateful night.

Amy Donaldson  14:44

Since the shooting, I had felt like I just didn’t know why I was saved. And I just didn’t really have kind of purpose moving forward. I had jobs I was going to school. I did all the things you’re supposed to do. But until Romney, that day she was born. I was like, yes, this is what I was here to do.

Amy Donaldson  17:57

After the break event finds another purpose in a new career. When Yvette was in college, she worked at a law firm. Then when journalism didn’t work out, she decided to put that experience to use. She applied to be the assistant for a newly appointed Federal Court Judge Paul Cassell.

Paul Cassell  18:38

Got about 150 applications for the job and she sort of rose to the top of the pile.

Amy Donaldson  18:45

Judge Cassell says events application was distinctive, because of her unique personal experience with the criminal justice system. Suddenly, the shadow she tried to escape became the reason she stood out. She had more than the required credentials.

Paul Cassell  19:00

I saw that she had this extraordinary personal story as well, which I viewed as a positive in terms of hiring her.

Amy Donaldson  19:09

In addition to his post as a judge, because I was a professor of law with a particular interest in victims’ rights.

Paul Cassell  19:17

In my view, all too often we view the criminal justice process as is just involving the state and the defendant and making sure their interests are protected. But I think we have compelling interest that need to be protected from crime victims. So I’ve done a lot of work with crime victims and I’ve come to appreciate their sort of resiliency and their trust in the system that sometimes lets them down. And so when I was thinking about bringing somebody in to work for me as a judicial assistant, somebody who had had been through the system I thought might have a leg up.

Amy Donaldson  19:49

And Yvette’s attitude made that decision even easier.

Paul Cassell  19:53

She just walked in the room and immediately lit up the room. She had such a love of life and was so outgoing enthusiastic and cheerful. You know, I know it seems odd to when you think about the victimization that she suffered, but in addition to all her other professional credentials, just the sort of personal side of things was the real clincher.

Yvette Rodier  20:18

And that’s how I got the job and got to be around the federal court all the time, great defense attorneys, great prosecutors, not good prosecutors.

Amy Donaldson  20:33

Working for Judge Cassell, Yvette discovered she had a passion for the law.

Yvette Rodier  20:38

And one day, I just thought, I liked this, like I liked this work, why not try?

Amy Donaldson  20:53

Yvette’s decision to go to law school began an emotional shift in her life, she started to feel like she was putting distance between herself and that terrible night.

Yvette Rodier  21:01

Maybe just some extra independent thinking, and realizing I can make decisions for me, I chose to go to law school. That was a really, really hard decision. So I think maybe starting life decisions like that gave me a little bit of competence.

Amy Donaldson  21:24

It wasn’t the career path that anyone expected for her. It was, after all, a job that would immerse her in the criminal justice system, where her first and only experience was associated with such a traumatic time in her life. But once she made the decision, a change came over.

Tony  21:42

It changed her whole trajectory.

Amy Donaldson  21:44

Her aunt Tony says it gave her life a sense of direction.

Tony  21:48

That’s when we started seeing more glimpses of the girl that we’d known all of our life up to the date of shooting, the one who said I can make this happen. And yeah, this isn’t going to be an easy road. But I’m gonna get on this road, because I’m going to help to make a change. This justice system is it has so many good things about it, but it has a lot a lot of problems.

Amy Donaldson  22:13

From the outside, Yvette seem to be effectively juggling her life’s demands, working part time for Judge Cassell raising a young child and succeeding in law school. But privately she was struggling. She still had short term memory issues from the brain injury. She struggled with fear her nightmares were not going away. And her marriage was suffering. Yvette says her husband tried to be understanding, but he was reaching his limit.

Yvette Rodier  22:39

He absolutely had extra sensitivity for a lot of years. It gets draining. And I wasn’t working on it yet. I’m working on moving forward as he would want me to. So it did become harder for him to be a bit more patient with it. But he was never rude about it or angry about it. My husband and I had a really good friendship, good relationship. We tried for several years to have a baby. And she was three when I went to law school. And it just law school was a lot. And being married young is a lot. And so after law school a little bit after we separated and then about a year later got a divorce. And that has been extremely hard.

Amy Donaldson  23:32

And this is one of the ways in which Yvette’s survivor’s guilt comes back to haunt her. Throughout her life, she often asked herself, what would Zachary do? What would he think of her decisions?

Yvette Rodier  23:46

And a lot of times I think of Zach in that he wouldn’t have gotten a divorce.

Amy Donaldson  23:51

You think he would have stuck it out?

Yvette Rodier  23:54

Maybe stuck it out or had a different picker?

Amy Donaldson  23:59

Do you feel like you’re measuring yourself sometimes against an impossible ruler, though? I mean, he didn’t live a life. It’s easy not to get divorced when you never got married. You know what I mean? So I mean, are you sometimes feeling like maybe you’re idealizing him too much?

Yvette Rodier  24:16

He was just so good. And like I can’t imagine that he would have done anything less than amazing things.

Amy Donaldson  24:29

And that’s mother Linda and Aunt Tony worried that her expectations for herself were impossibly high.

Tony  24:35

I don’t know how many different times Linda and I talked about it and we literally could not speak about it together without crying. It happened many, many times that we would talk about. She’s incredible. I don’t know how she’s doing it. There were some times that Linda even said as her mom. I really want her to be able to do this because she’s learned and she’s working so hard. There’s part of me that just wants to say it’s okay. You don’t have to that just says you can quit you don’t have to going, Linda wasn’t a quitter herself. So that was interesting to hear her say that but I so understood and felt the same way it was like, has she set her bar too high? Can she really do this? Not because we didn’t believe in her but because we knew what obstacles she had to overcome.

Amy Donaldson  25:23

Yvette graduated law school in 2008 she became a staff attorney for a nonprofit legal clinic that represented and advocated for victims. It was a chance to help people in ways she’d yearned for. When she was navigating those first few months and years after the shooting. She began to use what happened to her to help educate others. This led to being a sought after speaker. She could address victims’ rights and the issues surrounding them in a way that not many people could. Her legal training, combined with her own survival story became a powerful educational tool. It gave her a chance to let people know what life is a survivor really look like. When you

Tony  26:03

listen to her talk. There’s no way you can come away inspired.

Amy Donaldson  26:07

Yvette’s aunt Tony was in the audience for some of her appearances. She says her niece turn tragedy into triumph. She refused to let the man who victimized her take any more of her life.

Tony  26:19

She says that that’s the only way that I win is if I acknowledged that I can’t let him have any more than he took from me. He took my dearest friend he took much of my health he took my safety being alone he took my love for the mountains he took the night stuff that now I don’t like to be out at night he took all of those things for me, but he can’t take my spirit. There was not a dry eye in the place because she was saying I am who I am because I overcame.

Amy Donaldson  27:04

News organizations also turned to Yvette for help and insight as random shootings became commonplace. In 2011, Arizona representative Gabby Giffords and 18 other people were shot at an event she was holding with constituents outside of a grocery store. 22 year old Jared Lee Lochner shot Giffords in the head at point blank range. Then he fired randomly at other members of the crowd. KSL asked Yvette to help viewers understand what was to come.

Yvette Rodier  27:34

It’s those other people that are kind of going to be the behind the scenes victims that that’s who I’m really thinking about.

Amy Donaldson  27:42

After the shock wears off, and the physical injuries are treated. Yvette told viewers, it’s the psychological wounds that take time to heal.

Yvette Rodier  27:59

emotionally. I think I’m still doing it. I’m think I’m still in the process.

Amy Donaldson  28:09

What once seemed an irrational nightmare for a vet has become this country’s reality.

Yvette Rodier  28:16

The unfortunate part is that now we all have these places that are not safe. So, you know, 20 years ago, me thinking I wasn’t safe at a grocery store. People would probably laugh at me. And it would take me a minute to go back to a grocery store.

Amy Donaldson  28:35

But somebody could say to you, oh, come on. It’s just a movie theater. And you know what’s gonna happen at the Walmart. Right? And you could be like, Okay, you’re right. I’m being silly. This is a nightmare. Yeah, I could put it in perspective. But you don’t have that luxury anymore.

Yvette Rodier  28:50

No. And I just feel bad for other people. Like, I’m kind of used to it now. Which is horrible, but it’s my life. But for all these people that every day, it just changes for them, I just ache. It’s just a different world they’re entering in.

Amy Donaldson  29:11

Yvette knows firsthand that the repercussions of incidents like this stretch far beyond the lives lost.

Yvette Rodier  29:17

So many lives are changed. When someone does these horrible random acts of violence. The ripple that goes out is so big, but we’re not really addressing that. We’re not even really addressing any of it.

Amy Donaldson  29:39

Around that time, Yvette sought some psychological help. She had seen a counselor immediately after the shooting, but she says back then she wasn’t ready.

Yvette Rodier  29:48

That’s the interesting part. I think we all think oh, you need to go right now. Fix this right now. And that for me wasn’t helpful. It made it feel like I wasn’t doing what people thought I needed to do?

Amy Donaldson  30:01

What was it about the experience that required time?

Yvette Rodier  30:05

It was entirely me keeping myself stuck. I think a lot of it is survivor’s guilt that if I’m not stuck, then I’m not being aware of Zach and him being gone. If by staying stuck, that means I’m acknowledging every day that I’m alive and Zach’s not that I don’t think I felt like I had value that would let me be me without the shooting as part of me. L

Amy Donaldson  30:40

I didn’t have any […] it’s that you’re a survivor, that was what it was. 

Yvette Rodier  30:44


Amy Donaldson  30:45

Wow, that makes me so sad.

Yvette Rodier  30:48

Saying it out loud, makes it sound much worse than it kind of feels in my head. In my head. It doesn’t feel as extreme but saying those words is pretty intense.

Amy Donaldson  30:59

I’m sure you run into victims of that feel that same way?

Yvette Rodier  31:02

Yeah, they do. And that’s when I am working with victims. I never tell them; they don’t know my story. But when they do say things like that, hopefully they can just feel a bit more understanding maybe from my eyes, or hopefully I have a response that’s useful. So it’s a common thing. It’s not I’m not unique in in these feelings.

Amy Donaldson  31:37

Through therapy, that was learning to let herself off the hook a little. She was going to make mistakes. And maybe that was okay. And it was also okay to have fun to feel happiness. And one of the things that made her happy was karaoke.

Yvette Rodier  31:57

Thursday night karaoke was really big, you know, you find fun friends, and they push you out of your comfort zone, and then you’re happy as can be. 

Amy Donaldson  32:11

Do you think? 

Yvette Rodier  32:13

No, like, when I started singing for Romney when she was born, she would cry. She hates my singing. And I understand what she’s saying.

Amy Donaldson  32:30

[…] So I’m curious.

Yvette Rodier  32:32

Hold on, Wilson Phillips.

Amy Donaldson  32:36

And this is when Dave came back into Yvette’s life. He reached out to her through Facebook just to see how she was doing, not knowing that she was divorced. Soon, he found himself singing karaoke, too.

Dave  32:49

I did get dumped into it because of that did have a strong I think also, in Utah when you’re a single female, you tend to group with others and go out. They were addicted to karaoke. So I had never really done karaoke until I met them and just they got to know the DJ and the bar owner and they would make full signs for them on their birthday. So it was their night and baptism by fire and a lot of Bon Jovi.

Amy Donaldson  33:18

Their rekindled friendship continued to blossom. Even as Yvette shared all the ways the tear of that night still haunted her life. By the time Dave decided to ask Yvette to be his wife. He was going into the union with his eyes wide open. But even the proposal wasn’t free from the trauma of her past.

Dave  33:38

Took her on a hike one day and got down on the proposed she graciously said yes, but I kid I mean, it was just like, the gods were just laughing in irony, literally, within 30 seconds. A bunch of campers a half mile up just started blasting rifles just target practicing. And I was just like, you’ve got to be kidding me. We both just laughed, because it was like, of course after everything that happened like that’s the thing that, you know.

Yvette Rodier  34:05

It was definitely a quick kiss. And then I think I started crying more because of the gunshot not because proposal.

Dave  34:15

Didn’t you know just enjoy the moment? Let’s get back to the cabin.

Yvette Rodier  34:18

I remember crying but I am sorry. It was so beautiful. 

Dave  34:24

Irony and laughing in life. And that’s it was just a way like okay, back to reality.

Amy Donaldson  34:34

David and Yvette we’re finally married in 2012, 16 years after cannon fire forced an early end to their date at a football game. Dave likes to joke that he’s been to all Yvette’s weddings. He just hopes he doesn’t get an invitation to another one. Humor is one of the ways that keep the shadows at bay.

Amy Donaldson  34:59

It was smooth sailing for a while, but there are more unexpected twists and turns to come. That’s after the break.  Yvette created a fulfilling and stable life for herself. She’d found purpose working as a victim witness coordinator at the US Attorney’s Office. But in 2014, her life was once again up ended by violence. Yvette was in the federal courthouse. When a defendant charged the witness as he testified. The defendant […] was shot four times by a US Marshal and was killed.

Yvette Rodier  38:01

It was so scary for me. And it was probably the most anxious and fearful I have been since we were shot.

Amy Donaldson  38:11

And that was consumed with fear, fear that violence could find her anywhere. And fear that if people found out she was in the courthouse, she’d fall back into the shadows of an identity she’d worked so hard to escape.

Yvette Rodier  38:24

And I don’t think I wanted people to really know or feel bad for me or I think I was hoping I could just do it all on my own. And I couldn’t I was a mess for months after being in that room. The noise the smells, it just I hadn’t experienced anything like that since we were shot and it brought so much back I was shocked that I reacted so strongly. I thought I was way past the shooting and that this would just be a weird thing for me but it I couldn’t be alone Dave walked me to and from work. I was never by myself at the office.

Amy Donaldson  39:08

Yvette soon realized that her strategy of just pushing through like she’d done after she was shot wasn’t going to work as well this time.

Yvette Rodier  39:17

I think I was extra terrified that because I was responding so negatively and I was so crushed that I wasn’t going to be able to get past it. I thought if I made it through so many years and I did okay but if this, if this is the way I’m responding to this shooting, maybe this is going to be my new normal because I can’t do it. I can’t push through it. I really I was stuck for quite a while.

Amy Donaldson  39:48

The setback was profound and it blindsided of it. She was terrified that this time she’d never be able to find her way back to peace and safety.

Yvette Rodier  39:59

I did go back to therapy, which I think was very helpful. And I’m glad that I did. But I hadn’t wanted to be in therapy for a long time, I’d felt pretty solid. I think what I missed most was that I had gotten to this really lovely place of safety. And I felt safe everywhere I was, especially in the courthouse, and it took away that safety for a long, long time. And that was really hard for me.

Amy Donaldson  40:36

Yvette did find her way back to solid ground once again, with patient support, and professional guidance. She not only found a feeling of safety in her life, but also in the courtroom. And in fact, she decided she wanted to advocate in a different way. She took a job as a prosecutor for one of Utah’s largest cities, West Valley City. When the courts shut down due to the COVID 19 pandemic, hearings moved online, Yvette’s office is now her dining room table. She addresses the judge from a laptop surrounded by file folders and books, as her faithful lab sleeps on a fluffy dog bed nearby.

Yvette Rodier  41:20

But there is substantial evidence to support the charge. That’s why we have charged with the threats where a defendant threatened to slit the victim’s throat if she called the police or her sister or the..

Amy Donaldson  41:33

So what made you decide to go from the US Attorney’s Office to prosecuting?

Yvette Rodier  41:39

I really missed the courtroom. I mean, I was in the courtroom. But I missed the advocacy that can be there. So when I was doing victim’s rights, I was in the courtroom in front of the bar arguing, and prosecution just always seemed sad, like something I could do. I wasn’t sure. So I’m grateful West Valley gave me a chance to try it. And I love it.

Amy Donaldson  42:04

Her work as a prosecutor still allows her to interact with victims. In this case, she invites a woman to speak in court instructing her on what might be helpful for the judge.

Yvette Rodier  42:14

Miss spears, would you please tell the court how you feel about we’re talking about only his detention status right now. So how do you feel about him being in custody and a potential release? Maybe we just focus on those two things.

Amy Donaldson  42:30

Yvette prosecuting misdemeanors for the city, and she’s content in that role. While many attorneys can’t wait to move on to felonies, she sees real value in working misdemeanor cases, offenses like assault, shoplifting, drunk driving and domestic violence.

Yvette Rodier  42:45

Misdemeanors. I feel like there’s still a chance. I feel like these are offenders who made mistakes, and hopefully they can fix it. I think at some point I will prosecute felonies. As of right now I’m really comfortable with misdemeanors. felonies are a lot more life changing, and there’s bigger consequences. So I feel like right now I can do or try to do some good with the misdemeanor work.

Amy Donaldson  43:20

After all these years, Yvette’s younger sister Danielle, is still in awe of her big sister. 

Danielle  43:27

She sees the world in this unique light, where she has every opportunity to pay attention to the darkness are the hard things that are going on. Even in her job. She sees a lot of bliss. And she still wants to share love and light with everyone. She’s not a victim of her story. She was a victim in her circumstance. But she has not carried that story with her as the victim, which is so beautiful. She’s used it to empower herself and others.

Amy Donaldson  44:14

At first glance, Yvette and Dave live remarkably normal life. But the reality is they live with the shadows of grief and trauma that still stock of it. To gain the upper hand they have some rules they employ to keep peace with the shadows. As Yvette decided in those first few days after the shooting, they never say the name of the man who shot her and Zach. They avoid fireworks and they mute shows or movies with gunfire. For years, Yvette did not feel safe in the mountains, a place that was once a refuge. But recently she and Dave bought a trailer and that has given her a way back into the wild.

Yvette Rodier  44:57

And once we got a trailer, the mount Since I’ve opened up for me, sometimes when we camp in, it’s just we just find a lone spot. I feel a bit more anxious, but he knows and so he watches and just a few extra hand holding or rubbing my shoulder and that he’s aware that I’m aware we’re out in the middle of nowhere by ourselves, but we’re safe, it’s fine.

Amy Donaldson  45:24

Yvette has figured out a way to manage the triggers. And that’s allowed her to reclaim the things that bring her joy, like escaping life’s distractions with a trip to the back country. But no matter where she is, or what she’s doing, Zack is always with her. Do you think about Zach every day? 

Yvette Rodier  45:45


Amy Donaldson  45:46

In what way?

Yvette Rodier  45:49

Most of the time, it’s really happy. It’s fun memories. When I mess up or feel like I’ve made mistakes, then it’s Oh goodness, how much have I disappointed him? And then there’s just the aching the missing the what would he be? How would he be doing what would be going on in his life right now?

Amy Donaldson  46:14

Even more than 25 years later, Yvette can’t seem to forgive herself for surviving the attack. When she sinks into the pain, she swims through a river of regrets.

Yvette Rodier  46:28

I definitely feel so bad that I did leave him. I often wonder why I didn’t just stay and hold him. Why I didn’t try to put pressure on his wounds.

Amy Donaldson  46:46

Do you know if he was alive when you left him?

Yvette Rodier  46:48

I’m fairly certain he was dead when I left him. And since all of the things happen, I did learn in court, the very first bullet that hit him killed him. So he was dead. But I didn’t know and why wouldn’t I have just stayed with him? And just held him? He would have done that for me.

Amy Donaldson  47:16

Do you feel like you have to live for both of you? Somewhat?

Yvette Rodier  47:21

Oh, you think I used to. But that was really hard. That was just more than I do. Just because I’m human, I make all sorts of mistakes. And I know Zach would have to. But I just felt like I was disappointing him so much that it was finally at some point. I had to stop thinking that way.

Amy Donaldson  47:51

And just live for you. Yvette knows that she will never escape or forget what happened. And she’s made peace with that. It cannot be erased. It has to be redefined.

Yvette Rodier  48:11

I’ve figured out where it belongs in my life, that it is a part of my life. It’s a part of my story. And why would you move on or get rid of a part of your story? It’s what made me who I am today. And I’m really finally at a place that I like who I am. And who I am is because of the shooting and because of knowing Zach and people that have been good examples for me. So it’s not moving on. It’s just I’ve got a little compartment for it for the shooting and it’s there. It’s in my brain. It’s in my heart. And I’m okay with when it chooses to manifest itself. It doesn’t scare me anymore.

Amy Donaldson  49:01

Yvette has refused to let the shadows from that moonlit night at little del reservoir devour her life. She has created a life where the man who tried to kill her has no place. But after all these years, the man she never names is going to make an attempt to come back into the lives of his victims. And if that we’ll have to decide if she wants to open the gate that has given her peace, next time on THE LETTER, the Snarr’s receive an unexpected delivery.

Amy Donaldson  49:49

She finished the letter and it was just silent for a minute and I said to my mom, I’m like I needed to hear that. I can breathe for the first time in 24 years. Like I could take a deep breath and not feel that crack in my heart.

CREDITS  50:18

THE LETTER is researched and reported by me, Amy Donaldson. It’s written by myself and Andrea Smardon, who is also responsible for Production and Sound Design. Mixing by Trent Sell. Special thanks to Nina Earnest, Becky Bruce, KellieAnn Halvorsen, Ryan Meeks, Ben Kuebrich, Josh Tilton and Dave Cawley. Main musical score composed by Allison Leyton Brown with KSL Podcasts Executive Producer Sheryl Worsley. For Lemonada Media, Executive Producers Jessica Cordova Kramer and Stephanie Wittels Wachs And Executive Producers Paul Anderson and Nick Panella with WorkHouse Media. If you’d like our show, please give us a rating and review. It helps people find us follow us at the and on social at @theletterpodcast. The letter is produced by KSL podcasts and Lemonada Media in association with Workhouse Media.

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