Mouthpeace Greatest Hits, Season 1

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In the season finale, Michael and Pele look back at some of their favorite moments from 25 episodes, and give thanks to each one of their guests. They reminisce about their conversations with Chef Edouardo Jordan speaking about being a top chef and a Black man in the white-dominated restaurant industry, and former Presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke telling America to “Wake the F*ck Up”. They look back on how inspired they were by their deep dive with Olympian and activist Dr. John Carlos about his experience protesting at the 1968 Olympics, and what it meant to them to record in person with their good friends Pro-Bowler Cliff Avril and his wife Tia Avril on lack of representation and advocacy for women in sports. And of course, a look back at Season 1 of Mouthpeace wouldn’t be complete without highlighting one of their many conversations about … sex. This is the best (and probably only) post-game analysis you’ll hear for a while!

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[00:23] Michael Bennett: It’s the season finale of Mouthpeace. Pretty sad, but at least today we’re gonna get an opportunity to go back and look at some of the best quotes from the best minds and some of the best people who were really caring and thought very deeply about the questions we were asking, how they affected us in how to change our minds and also challenge some of our own mindsets during the season. I thought we had a great year of just having an open dialog about things that are really vulnerable. I thought it was pretty good.


[01:03] Pele Bennett: And you know what? Doing this podcast experience, because of everything that has been happening this year, I think has been really interesting how the conversation changed from, you know, week to week. Because what some things we thought we’re going to talk about, it had to completely change. And I think that was also a big learning curve that we had to do on our own to adjust and, you know, really navigate through all these different things going on this year. 


[01:30] Michael Bennett: I know, because everything was so personal and immediate nurturing for people to, you know, so people can understand certain things and being able to break it down to them in a way that is compassionate. I thought that was pretty important, too, because this year was a crazy year. There wasn’t one fucking person in the world who could say this wasn’t a fucking crazy year. December 31, we’re like yeah, 2020! Three days later, the world was hit with a lot of other shit. 


[02:02] Pele Bennett: Every year, you start your new year fresh. But 2020, they were saying that’s the new vision. And the vision was blurry. It was really blurry this year. 


[02:11] Michael Bennett: So blurry. One pandemic to a global uprising. It was just all kinds of things that were going on. But one of the hardest things was home school. Who knew that that was going to be such a hard thing to do? This is amazing, though, people, because at least I feel like we had a great opportunity to be really open and were able to share a lot of stuff. So I think that’s pretty cool.


[02:35] Pele Bennett: I’ve had a good experience doing this with you, because even though we’ve been together so long, we feel we know each other, I feel like there were moments in conversations that we both looked at each other, you know, wide-eyed, like, wait, what\? You feel this way about that? Or, you know, this is what you’re thinking or your opinion changes. And I think that’s kind of life right now at the moment of standstill is that we’re evolving every day with all the newness and all the new normal that we’re experiencing now. And doing all of this has been really eye-opening.


[03:10] Michael Bennett: It has been so eye-opening. I think the best part has been being able to have this conversation with you, too, because like you said, you’re with somebody for so long, but, you know, they could slowly start changing their outlook on different things, which can shape you in a more positive way. And I think over this season, I think we were both able to do that in a positive way, you know, sway each other to see you from a different way or even to still disagree, but still have a sense of love and compassion for each other. I feel like that was one of the best things about this season, was able to challenge each other and have those conversations. And I enjoyed them so much. 


[03:38] Pele Bennett: The guests we had were so versatile and come from so many different backgrounds, so I think that was really awesome that we could have these conversations together with someone. Because sometimes we’ll have conversations together or we’re having conversations that we’re telling each other about that we had, and then we want to put our own, you know, input our own ideas into it. So I think those really need to be able to do that together, because for me and him, it’s sometimes I think it’s also challenging each other, you know, in ideas and in interests and in, you know, just in your opinion, challenging each other. I think that was really neat and a lot of growth from that personally. And I hope you all liked it or loved it. 


[04:20] Michael Bennett: I don’t really care if they loved it or liked it. We’ve made ourselves happier and we had a great time doing it. 


[04:49] Pele Bennett: Let’s talk about some of the best moments we had for our first season.


[04:54] Michael Bennett: Greatest moments of the season. 


[05:06] Pele Bennett: So on this episode, obviously, we have 25 amazing episodes that, you know, are so dear to our heart. But we also couldn’t pick all of them to share again, to recap with you all. So we picked a few of our favorites. One that we loved was Chef Edouardo Jordan from Seattle. Amazing chef there that we met early on when Michael was there and got picked up from the Seahawks. Definitely grew a great relationship with him and all the amazing work that he does behind the scenes, as well as being a chef. So check out this episode that we did with him. 


[05:44] Michael Bennett: So as you embarked on your journey as a chef, what were the challenges that you faced? Because you were in some of the top restaurants around the United States, you spent time overseas, what did you encounter? Like not only is being a chef, but just being a black man inside this chef world. 


[06:02] Edouardo Jordan: Glad you just stated that again, because I am a black man in a white man’s world in this industry. So, I mean, I faced a lot of things. Some things were not very apparent to me. Some things were kind of obvious to me in the sense that like a black kid growing up in this society, you see things that other people don’t see, or you notice things or you feel it. So I felt some of the same things in my industry, like, you know, was anyone actually paying attention to me? Was there anyone who really wanted to mentor me? How hard did I have to work? Did I have to work three times harder than the next person? If my skill sets are equal or better than the next person, was that opportunity not given to me because of my color? Like all of those things were all questions in my journey. Like you said, I worked in some of the best restaurants in this country. And so when you walk into those kitchens and it’s 20 people deep and you’re the only person of color, you know, it puts you in a very uncomfortable state. Besides like trying to accomplish your goals, your dreams, and actually, you know, finish off the task that is supposed to be done that day to be ready for service. You know, it’s just it could be double pressure on you. And I see this as a reason why there isn’t a lot of folks of color in some of the top restaurants because it gets heavy. At a certain point in time, you’re like, why am I doing this? What is the end goal? You know, I possibly don’t have enough money to open up a restaurant. Am I gonna get yelled by another white man in his kitchen? You know what opportunities are gonna be given to me. So all of that. All of those are things that I face and I’m glad that I held strong and I had thick skin and had determination and goals. But those are realities in this industry, especially if you’re working in the top restaurants. 


[07:46] Pele Bennett: I think that we are both foodies and I do, I love to cook and I always think about people that, you know, to really master a skill — there’s so many people that are in the arts and they go into all these different schools and they do these restaurants. But then you have these people that are at home that are sharing their work at home. And we’re living at home cooking what we want. We have freedom in the kitchen at the moment where we’re sharing what we’re doing. But to hear him and his story and his experience of everything, like you said, that like it had to weigh on him. He had so much that weighed on him that he had to carry with him while he was doing what he wants to do, you know, to master these different skills, but to be put into these environments that was so much harder. You know, now it’s like we can go in the kitchen and cook and share it. But for someone with that type of skill set, it’s on a whole other level. But I just have to say, like, I loved that conversation because you think about these people that are really really out there in the trenches doing this work in all these uncomfortable spaces, but he’s still getting the work done. And he came out, you know, on the other end and was shiny. So I’m so glad that he didn’t give up. And we’ve been to his restaurants and they are amazing. His food is truly amazing.


[09:08] Michael Bennett: One thing that I thought was funny is like people of color have this Spidey-sense that other people don’t have the way they say they’re like, you see things because you experience those things, you build a sense for it. And I thought that was pretty interesting when you said that, because I do feel like that in a lot of different industries, when people of color tend to go into those industries, they see the things, the barriers that are happening. But for a lot of people who have experienced nothing but privilege, they can only see how wide open the field is. They can’t really see the barriers in front of them, the landmines, the things are or weigh in on their back, the extra two pounds of stress because of the color of their skin. And so to hear him talk about that to me was just mind-blowing and think about at that level. And yes, he did something so good with those collard greens, though, and the fried whole chicken, all that junk is just fire. And so they take those things and take our culture and the things that we ate as a kid and to reimagine the flavor to these foods and the way that he describes and the way that he plates it. It just puts the culture in such a beautiful light. To know people who have taken things and then change, you know, to be something else but took what was theirs and reimagined it. I think that’s a special talent and I’m so thankful to have him on and have that conversation with him.

[10:40] Pele Bennett: So we have to send a huge shout-out to Chef Edouardo Jordan, who is in Seattle, if you want to check him out. I think that will really speak for itself when you taste his dishes. And thank you, Chef Edouardo Jordan, for not stopping, for not quitting, for continuing it, going all the way through. That is powerful that you didn’t give up and that you completed it. And now your story is even stronger than before. So thank you, chef. 


[11:14] Michael Bennett: If you are in the Seattle area, you have to go to JuneBaby or Salare. I like both the soul food and the way that it does in JuneBaby is spectacular, but then Salare the way he cuts that tuna, what he’s doing with the mushrooms over there is good. I’m hungry right now. 


[11:32] Michael Bennett: Our next clip of the season is from our good friend and one of the best people around out there fighting for civil rights on the trail, almost a candidate for president, Beto O’Rourke. Let’s listen to that clip now. 


[11:50] Michael Bennett: If you decide right now, who would be somebody that you could get behind, or do you see yourself being on a shortlist, would you do it? 


[11:58] Beto O’Rourke: I don’t see myself being on a shortlist. First of all, presumptuous of me to think that anybody would want me to be on the ticket with them. I don’t know that that would be the case, but I don’t know if you saw this, but we were talking about the girl in Idaho with the AR-15 strapped to her back going before the city council, the state legislature. There was a picture of these armed, masked white men with weapons of war marching up the steps of the state capitol in Kentucky. And I tweeted that picture out and the words that accompanied it were, “wake the fuck up, America.” Like, look what is happening right now. Like this is going down in America as we speak. I want to feel free to say “wake the fuck up America” when it needs to be said. 


[12:47] Pele Bennett: So on that clip you guys just heard, I feel like that clip can be replayed right now, even though that was earlier in our season, and probably can play every single day, especially in our current moment in America.


[13:03] Michael Bennett: Wake the fuck up. I think Beto is a perfect example of that because I feel like the world is waking the fuck up and people like Beto are reminding us to constantly wake the fuck up if we don’t like was going on around us, to wake the fuck up and to mobilize and do things that are empowering our communities on a daily basis. And, you know, we spoke about sacrifices and you see how often he sacrifices away from his family, if you watched his documentary, you see all the things that he’s about and the risk that he’s taking. And to be honest, as a white man, people wouldn’t even think that he’d be taking those type of risks. But he’s doing it and I think is one of the coolest things is going on right now is seeing him, you know, constantly going out there and fighting for things and seeing and pushing us to, you know, fight for a better world. And seeing him doing it is empowering.


[13:50] Pele Bennett: And using that caption, that line that he said along with that photo on Twitter, I mean, that is so powerful. But what still like is haunting at the moment is that, you know, with everything else going on, adding to that layer of that moment, I feel like it’s still not enough. You know, like like why are people still not waking the fuck up? You have a visual. You obviously have words. But, you know, now we have visuals daily. It’s not like that was one moment that happened in time. We have shit happening in time every single day right now, 2020. We have new shit happening every single day. And if we use Beto’s caption on every moment that all this crazy shit going on every single day. I mean, really, when are we going to wake the fuck up? 


[14:39] Michael Bennett: I don’t know. Hopefully we wake the fuck up before November. The election is happening. Wake the hell up, America. Thank you, Mr. Beto. 


[14:51] Pele Bennett: Yes. We also want to send, you know, a huge thank you to you for taking your time and you’re so busy and all the work that you’re doing. And I also wanted to say that I loved hearing you talk about your family as well, because you see people in leadership roles and sometimes we forget that they are still humans. You know, you want someone to fight and do so much, or you want to attack someone because they’re not doing something. And I know, like, you know, as us being such a close family ourselves, is that just to do anything, it takes a huge sacrifice within yourself. So for all the work that you’re doing and pushing to do what’s right, I just want to say thank you for the time that you’re taking. And thank you to your family for allowing, you know. Yes, allowing, because you said your wife has a big role. So it is allowing him to use his presence and his mind and everything that he has to, you know, be fighting out there for people that don’t have a voice and fighting for something that’s right. I think that’s a huge commitment of all of your entire family to do so. I just want to say thank you Beto and to your family for everything you guys are doing.


[19:31] Michael Bennett: Take us back to that moment in 1968. What was going through your mind when you were raising your fist, and what do you think was gonna happen, and what made you do it? 


[19:39] John Carlos: Well, Mike, let’s talk a little bit before the demonstration. There was a whole bunch of uproar going around the world. You know, you saw what happened in Tiananmen Square. You saw what happened in Chicago. You saw the assassination that had taken place with public figures and social activists throughout society, the black power movement had just started taking shape. There was quite a bit going on relative to track and field, I think was at our highest level in the sport of track and field at that particular time. We had a concern as young athletes about the plight of black people, or people of color, blacks in particular. We considered a possible boycott to show society that we was disenchanted with the way people of color were being treated in the United States and other parts of the world. We tried to educate ourselves as best we could so when we got in front of a camera or a microphone, we could speak on issues and speak with no hesitation. But greater than that, we needed to try and educate our fellow athletes as well to give them a better understanding as to why we would put a proposal to them to consider boycotting the Olympic Games. When all the dust settled, man, It came down to the point where most people was concerned about that medal. You know, all their lives have been taught from childhood, you know, go for the gold. Be an Olympic champion. And now here we come and tell them to sacrifice all that, take a step back. We know it was a hard pill to swallow, but we felt that the justification would be the fact that we were trying to make change for our kids and our kids’ kids. But as I said, it was difficult for people to make that decision. They wanted to go to the Games. And we had no right to tell them that you can’t go to the Games. So we decided to have a vote, and they voted to go to the Olympic Games. At first, when they voted to go, I really stated that to myself that I would not go. But the power to be, or God, or whoever it is, first lieutenant — approached my mind and told me, “John, if you don’t go to the Olympic Games, someone is going to go and represent you and stand in your spot. But do you think they would represent the way you want to be represented?” When that registered in my mind that it was imperative that I get myself together and go to Olympic trials and proceed to make the Olympic team, which by the grace of God, I was blessed and I had the opportunity to do so.


[21:58] Pele Bennett: So that clip was from John Carlos that we did earlier this season. And I think our conversation with him, for me personally, was really touching, because looking at him as a black man, as an athlete, going through what he did at that time was a big reflection on, you know, some stuff that Michael and I had to experience together in our relationship. I personally had to witness, you know, to see Michael, same situation, years later, black man, an athlete, and also dealing with the same struggle that he was talking about through his experience at that moment. And so it reflected a lot to me where I could relate to a lot of things he was saying. I could almost envision that you were there.


[22:43] Michael Bennett: You see Dr. Carlos and you get the deep thought in his mind about doing something like that. When you think about what he did and the sacrifice that he was making when he said he didn’t have the right to tell those people not to go to the Olympics because so many people have worked so long to have that opportunity to be in a moment, to be in that glory. But then when you think about him as a young man, actually battling that. You have to think about his morality and it’s like, this guy was really thinking about other people when he was supposed to be thinking about himself. And I think that episode was a reminder to me that a lot of times we’ve become so selfish of wanting something we forget about we need to become selfless. And I think that conversation does make me realize, like there’s so many opportunities in a day and moments that we can be selfless for the people around us. But we have to make that decision. And hearing him say that, knowing everything that was going to happen to him, it was just to me was an honor to know that there’s people out there like that in the world and the world isn’t as horrible as you think it is, because there’s so many great people out there they’re willing to sacrifice for the whole.


[23:53] Pele Bennett: I think it was definitely an amazing honor to speak with him and to hear his story and his personal struggles and just his personal willpower. And I don’t even know what you could say that, you know, really, he used to go out there and and use himself, like you said, being so selfless and thinking of something so much bigger than him because he’s thinking of, you know, people at the moment and then people in the future. You know, how that moment is affecting later. But like he said, someone told him that he needed to go represent himself because no one could represent himself like he could. And I think sometimes that, other people might tell you that. And, of course, it’s still on your own to do so. But for him, he knew what he had to do and he reached deep down inside of him. And he was able to put that foot forward to do the right thing. But for such a bigger cause in such a bigger power that played then himself at that very moment.


[24:42] Michael Bennett: I think it is just an open reminder to all of us that there is opportunities to create a better world or reimagine. And I think it’s cool to be able to have those conversations. And we had it with him. That was really one of my favorite episodes, honestly.


[25:04] Pele Bennett: So we just want to say a big thank you to Mr. John Carlos for taking time out of your day, out of your life and out of all the work that you do to come on and to share your experiences with us. And to also, like, let us know that we’re not alone individually, personally, but also other people that are out there trying to do the right thing and trying to use their voice. And and also for those who are scared or who are not sure what to do, I think having you as an example and having you, you know, living right now that, you know, we can hear and see you. You’re here in the moment in history, you know that you’ve done so many things. I think it’s a huge push and huge motivation for everyone out there that, you know, don’t know what to do yet and might want to take action. And we just want to say a big thank you to you for having your time with us. 


[25:51] Michael Bennett: Thank you for all things you’ve done and everything that you keep doing and you keep giving to this world is just so positive an energy and the vibration that you’re given out to us. It just empowers us to keep going. And I just wanna say thank you. 


[26:02] Michael Bennett: Next up, we have Cliff and Tia Avril from Radio Row. That was a pretty good moment, being down there and doing a Super Bowl, even though when traffic was terrible, the food was OK. The hotels were eh and the people were smelly. 


[26:18] Pele Bennett: But besides all of that and knowing that it would be a sausage fest, it was a really good experience for me, you know, diving into this for the first time. I had a good experience with you and definitely fed off your energy that day. Cliff and Tia are obviously some of our closest friends. And that conversation we had is definitely one of our favorites. So listen to this clip.


[26:42] Michael Bennett: Obviously as women, you guys see the gender dynamics in sports. And I think it does go to a level where women aren’t really respected in sports, even if they look at the WNBA, the WNBA had to go to all this shit just to get normal pay. Their stars can’t even get what the benchwarmer in the NBA is making, the towel boys. 


[27:02] Tia Avril: They got to get a second job! 


[27:06] Michael Bennett: Guys that aren’t even playing are getting $5 million. And you got the best players in WNBA not even making $500,000. 


[27:14] Pele Bennett: Even in the room at radio row, there weren’t any women interviewing anyone. 


[27:21] Tia Avril: Most of them are like publicists and marketing agents. 


[27:26] Pele Bennett: Yeah, they weren’t behind the mic. And so I thought that was interesting that it was older white males that were predominantly the ones that were doing the interviews. 


[27:33] Cliff Avril: Well, that’s the common denominator in America.


[27:37] Michael Bennett: You look at the league, I bet it’s like 85 percent African-American. And at the same time, you look at the front office, I bet it’s like 5 percent, which is sad. And women? Even less than that. African-American women? Zero. 


[27:55] How does that make you feel as women to know things like that? That it’s allowed sometimes. Ray Rice, when he beat his wife up on camera. It was like the NFL had to fire him. 


[28:02] Cliff Avril: They had to make an example out of him. It took a life of its own and the NFL had to react to it. 


[28:22] Michael Bennett: But that was because of women! Women demanded it. It wasn’t men. Men did not demand that. The women in America demanded that he be fired. The women demanded it. 


[28:30] Pele Bennett: And there’s the problem. Why are the women having to speak up and demand that? 


[28:35] Tia Avril: It should not have taken women to raise such a big ruckus. Because the truth is that domestic violence within the NFL here. It’s not a secret. It’s not like, oh, this one player had this issue and it doesn’t happen again. It happens all the time. But I also think it’s on a national level, you have to be consistent. Because then you have some white players that did not receive the same punishment and absolutely should have. So I’m not taking away from the fact that Ray Rice was a black player. His ass should have been fired. But it should be an even playing field. Because somebody like Ben Roethlisberger, there’s no reason why he should have been playing past his situation.


[29:24] Pele Bennett: Because Ray Rice was on camera. So they’re actually covering for themselves, not for women. These have happened before, but nobody has seen it. So it’s like you can hush it up.


[29:36] Michael Bennett: So that was a pretty interesting clip because, you know, Tia is a dynamic woman herself. And to talk about sports and black women and talk about women in general, just being not in the conversation when it talks about equality in sports, and the lack of respect there is for that. And to have had that conversation with her was pretty insightful. And I think we look at as a black male or two men having a conversation about the importance of women. I think that it’s important for us to move forward in society is to really take a deep dive into other people’s experiences and build a bridge into their experiences. Not so much like I know how you feel, but to just build a sense of understanding about their experiences and how they feel, but not really trying to be like, I feel the same pain as you type thing. You really have a sense of empathy. You’re not trying to take over their experiences with your emotions. And I think it’s important as males and other people to have those conversations. So this conversation was one of those conversations to me where we would just have an open dialog and I thought it was pretty cool because in the NFL, we don’t have those kinds of conversations in public enough about, you know, the importance of our wives and the importance of our children. And, of course, of our family. So people will tend to not really connect us as being humans like that.


[30:59] Pele Bennett: That conversation was amazing because, well, obviously, we were in person. We’re with one of our favorite couples. We also, you know, had a little wine, which is great. But the energy from that day is still my same energy right now at this moment is that we do have to hold people accountable and males need to hold themselves accountable. It is what it is. It’s not saying that, you know, these women need to come out here crying and, oh, we’re not getting this and that. No. It is a truth and truth to power. This shit is happening everyday at the moment as well. We’re adding this layer to all the other layers that everyone is fighting for at the moment. Not an all lives matter type of moment. But what I’m saying is that if men are not holding other men accountable and not showing up for women in spaces that their voices are not being heard, then that is still a problem. And I am still putting the same energy into that at this moment. So that conversation was really big to me, specifically because both of you are athletes and you do have a different insight on what that looks like behind the scenes. And then as far as me and Tia being married to athletes, Tia being a black woman, both of us being married to black males is a different perspective. But all of us at the end of the day did agree that there are many issues within the space of corporate America in this space of underpaid women and in this space of black women specifically. I want to say thank you to both of you. 


[32:24] Pele Bennett: I think our relationship in friendship throughout the years have definitely blossomed and we’ve learned so much about each other but definitely grew into family. So I just want to say thank you guys for taking time out to be with us and share your stories and experiences and insight with us. And it’s not like you guys just did it because, you know, you’re our friends. Like, we really do appreciate the time that you spent with us. And it’s really because I know y’all love us. 


[35:29] Michael Bennett: Clip five is about a sexual warm-up. 


[35:35] Michael Bennett: How do you stay in a relationship where big things matter, small things matter, too, but we’re not so hard on each other about the smallest things? Let’s just say one of my friends told me his wife told him that she’s not gonna have sex with him anymore because — or she doesn’t want to have sex with him because sometimes she folds up the clothes and he takes the clothes out and he leaves them on the floor. And that’s the reason why I don’t want to fuck you. And I was thinking like, damn, that’s kind of harsh to be in a relationship with each other and some of the simplest things that we take so serious — are they really that serious? Are they really worth our anger or are they really worth our attention? Does it really mess up our relationship? Are they worth it? 


[36:09] Pele Bennett: I think it depends on the person. Because like you just said, if something is big, you know, to the woman, and the husband is thinking that it’s not a big deal, he has to almost come down a notch and be like, oh, this actually is a big deal in her mind. So how do you come to that agreement over that issue?


[36:28] Michael Bennett: But my thing sex is something that I feel like a woman should not use as a weapon. Like women are using that as a weapon. They’re using it as a bargaining chip in a relationship. If you don’t do this, you’re not getting no ass. If you’re not doing this, you’re not getting no head. That’s a lot for a man to have to deal with. Of course, some of the strict guidelines I’m living in Russia if a woman is using her vagina as a bargaining chip. That’s unfair for the husband. Because a man can’t do that because a woman can go so much longer without sex in than a man can. 


[36:59] Pele Bennett: Hold on. Now, let’s stop there. Right there. You just said it yourself. You just said a woman can go without sex longer than a man, that she’ll be fine. Is that true? No, it’s not. A man expresses himself sexually differently from a woman. So I see why a woman could use that as a weapon, which I don’t agree is right — or actually maybe wrong depending on the situation. But it’s different how a man can do it than a woman.


[37:25] Michael Bennett: I feel like in a relationship, the bedroom should be the tranquil spot of the couple’s life. Where if the day is going crazy, when they crossed their line into their bedroom, it becomes a euphoric place where they could come and be together and spiritually share something, whether their body or their mind. Something where other people don’t weigh on their decisions. Because a person can have a rough day, they come home and take that rough day out on their family. 


[37:54] Pele Bennett: Yeah, that’s true. I mean, I agree with that. 


[37:57] Michael Bennett: That clip to me is about us having a conversation about the importance of, like, sex in a relationship and the importance of how should or should not be dealt out. And so we had a good debate about it. And I think, you know, points on it were super important because, you know, a lot of times men do think that women can go a lot longer without sex than they can. That’s one of those myths that needs to be broken down.

[38:25] Pele Bennett: I think everyone is different. But just that mentality and idea of men sexualizing, you know, like everything and all the time? Women, it exists. They do also. In some senses, women more than men that you know and have the desire. So I think it’s to each his own at the end of the day. But how we, you know, put it out there is always a male? It’s not true. We’re shutting that down. Everybody has their different desires sexually. And it’s OK to be vocal about it. 


[39:00] Michael Bennett: I think it’s important that we have these conversations about the importance of being able to not really take too much time to really start to dissect everything that our partner does. And I think if we look at the relationships and the things that happen within the relationships and how small they can be sometimes. Sometimes it only takes a small fracture to tumble a foundation. And we have to be able to constantly look past some of those things and look at how important it is this person is to us and how they look, how they make us feel, what they smell like, the importance of them and their beings. And I think it’s just like outside, you know, sometimes it’s sunny outside. It is raining outside. But there’s still beauty out there. And I think doesn’t matter if the weather changes, the ups and downs of your relationships, but the importance of being able to have these conversations and open dialog, an open forum and have so much respect for the other person that you get to be with every day, and the amount of love that you have for that person. And I’m so thankful because I get the opportunity to do that with my wife every single week on this podcast and have these conversations with a beautiful, powerful, strong woman whose aura is like a goddess. To have these vulnerable conversations and to be with this person that you love, it just makes it so much more sweeter. Remember that there’s always love and that we can keep going forward. Take advantage of the time that you have with your partner and acknowledge the power that they have and the love that they have over you and how much you care for them. 


[40:36] Michael Bennett: I want to take all the listeners, too. You guys were listening to us because I know when we picked our guests, our whole show is about having an opportunity to inspire people in all types of different avenues. A chef, a political activist, a social activist. We wanted to have these conversations with our friends and people that we met along the way who were out there doing stuff. As a reminder to remind you guys that there are people out there who are thinking about you. And for us, we’re always thinking about our fellow man. It’s funny because you look in the Bible, one of the Commandments is love thy neighbor. So to be able to have conversations about love and be able to understand how to deal with other people and have empathy and connection. I’m so thankful for us to be able to have those conversations. Hopefully they can inspire people. And we thank you guys for listening, because without you guys, we wouldn’t have a show. And the guests were amazing to be so vulnerable and to share their true experiences. It was a real conversations. I’m thankful for that because everybody was able to be so candid and be so honest in a way that you really got a chance to know them. So I want to thank our guests for all those things that they shared with us. And also thank our producer, Genevieve, even though sometimes I know we get on her nerves, but she made a great show. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.


[42:37] Pele Bennett: So this is our last episode, as well as our last pro tip. Whatever it is that you want to do in life at the moment, just go and do it. I know it’s so easy to say don’t be scared. Don’t be nervous. Don’t be afraid. But honestly, if you don’t do it, you won’t know. 


[42:58] Michael Bennett: I think 2020 has shown us how fragile and how short life can be. At any moment, it could be the end, the world can be gloomy. And I think it’s a reminder to us we want people to go out there and do what you want to do. Be creative. Share your stories. Life is so short. Like human beings have some of the shortest lifespans on earth. Some trees aren’t mature until they’re 500 years old. Go out there and dream big, people, dream big. YOLO!


[44:10] Michael Bennett: Please subscribe to us or like us on anything that you’re listening to. Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, whatever you’re listening to get away from your family, whoever you don’t want to be around. And make sure you rate us or give us a comment. Even though we don’t give a fuck about your comments, give us a comment. Mouthpeace is a production of Lemonada Media, which you can find online on all social platforms @LemonadaMedia. You can follow me on social media, @MosesBread72. I love bread, and biblically, I always thought I was Moses.


[44:40] Pele Bennett: And you can follow me on Instagram at @pelepels. Mouthpeace with Michael and Pele Bennet is executive produced by us, the Bennets. Mouthpeace is also executive produced by Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer. And of course, the whole team at Lemonada Media. Our producer is Genevieve Garrity and our show is edited by Brian Castillo. Thank you to our ad sales and distribution partners at Westwood One, and to all of our sponsors for making this show possible. Thank you for listening.


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