Muesli, Rory, Mark Twain Prize
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In this special episode of the Sarah Silverman Podcast, Sarah is joined by her favorite dogs – Mary and Rory Albanese. They talk about why Sarah has the palate of a coastal grandma, and why Rory only uses the toilet standing up, including number two. Later they discuss cheating, laughing at outdated jokes, and the performances at the Mark Twain Prize awards.
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Transcript
SPEAKERS
Speaker 4, Tyler, Amy, Rory Albanese, Sarah Silverman, Carlo, Speaker 1, Timmy
Sarah Silverman 00:14
Hey everyone. It’s Sarah and look who I’m with.
Rory Albanese 00:17
Sup dogs.
Rory Albanese 00:19
I said sup dogs because I have a dog in my lap. He got married here.
Sarah Silverman 00:19
Rory.
Sarah Silverman 00:24
That’s why he does what he does.
Rory Albanese 00:26
It’s that kind of creativity that you’re in store for over the next hour.
Sarah Silverman 00:31
I wanted to talk about something really important to me, something that’s really been on my mind and that is my new favorite combo of cereals.
Rory Albanese 00:41
Oh, wow.
Sarah Silverman 00:42
I eat this usually when we are playing Call of Duty. You’re upstairs, I’m downstairs. Obviously, I mute myself while it’s happening. It is a fireball. What is it called when you mix a like crack and heroin?
Rory Albanese 01:01
A Cracker Barrel?
Sarah Silverman 01:05
No, it’s a something speed ball. It is a speed ball of cereal. It’s gonna be for everybody? No, it’s not gonna be for everybody. I have a 10 year old’s palette. I enjoy the mildest of flavors. It’s almost like the promise of flavor. The combination is this two parts.
Rory Albanese 01:33
Wow. I didn’t know it was gonna be this fucking scientific.
Sarah Silverman 01:36
Alpen Muesli, no sugar added.
Rory Albanese 01:39
Alpen? It’s not Alpine?
Sarah Silverman 01:42
I think it’s Alpen (A-L-P-E-N).
Rory Albanese 01:45
Lot or anything in there. Just an Alpen. It’s just a typo […].
Sarah Silverman 01:49
I thought it was Alpine. Our brain being tricked. I think it’s Alpen and it’s a muesli. It’s got some dried raisins in it, whatnot. Then I add one part Quaker Granola, also with raisins. I just let me put a pin in this to say I grew up always believing there were two kinds of people – people who like raisins in things and people that aren’t fucking disgusting.
Rory Albanese 02:23
That was in mine comp, right? That there are two types of people – raisins lovers and raisins haters.
Sarah Silverman 02:28
I’ve become the person that likes raisins in things. This must be something that happens when you get older.
Rory Albanese 02:34
Yeah, definitely.
Sarah Silverman 02:36
I really judged people for it. I thought they were just old and gross and I guess I am now old and gross. It’s one part, the Quaker Granola that I love, so good. Both of them very good yuka scores. We’ll talk about yuka. Then one part or two tablespoons of wheat germ. I love the taste of all three of these things so much together. It’s absurd.
Rory Albanese 03:08
Yeah.
Sarah Silverman 03:08
Add oat milk and enjoy.
Rory Albanese 03:12
Seriously, dude. By the way, this is probably really hitting home I’d say, college kids.
Sarah Silverman 03:19
Whatever. We’ll have Kelly and shirt love, vulva try it.
Rory Albanese 03:24
Let it get real mushy so your teeth don’t have to do any work.
Amy 03:30
You describing that to me is like the grossest combination of three items you could do. By the way, also the raisin component.
Sarah Silverman 03:39
Obviously you don’t like dried, wet, or warm fruit. I know this about you.
Rory Albanese 03:47
So, what’s the other state and fruit come in? You mean she’ll eat fresh fruit?
Amy 03:52
I don’t eat cooked fruit. I only like fresh fruit.
Sarah Silverman 03:55
Yeah. But also, raisin is a dried fruit.
Amy 03:59
I don’t know why, but I think raisin is like the pennies of dried fruit.
Rory Albanese 04:05
The pennies of dried fruits? That’s very poetic.
Sarah Silverman 04:11
She gets that from me because I said that. What did I say?
Rory Albanese 04:15
I think you said dried apricots were the half dollar of dried fruit, the sacagawea. We have the dollar.
Sarah Silverman 04:22
I believe and I hate taking credit for this. But Amy, I believe I said that cantaloupe was the pennies or maybe I said that peanuts were the pennies of mixed nuts. But I’ve changed my mind, because I really am loving peanuts again. What did I say? It was something I feel like on the Hulu show.
Amy 04:47
I don’t know. It was a callback of you, for you. I needed to speak your language so that you understood just how much I dislike raisins, so much so that I will make a Levain cookie that’s oatmeal raisin which I think is their best cookie.
Sarah Silverman 05:05
That’s what’s crazy.
Amy 05:07
Then I will remove the raisins and eat the entire cookie.
Sarah Silverman 05:10
Let me say a couple comments. One, I knew that this cereal was not gonna appeal to Amy’s V. This is everything you hate. She’s never had cereal with milk in her life.
Rory Albanese 05:21
That’s not cereal. You’ve just had dried things in a bowl.
Sarah Silverman 05:25
Right. She doesn’t like cooked fruit, nor raisins.
Rory Albanese 05:30
Even an apple pie.
Sarah Silverman 05:31
She’s never even tried an apple pie. She cooks.
Rory Albanese 05:34
How do we know we don’t like it?
Sarah Silverman 05:36
Cooked fruit disgusts her.
Rory Albanese 05:38
Okay.
Sarah Silverman 05:38
This is the way. Mandalorian yes, I know. Also, I had another point.
Rory Albanese 05:49
You’re trying to get everything from A to Z.
Amy 05:54
Did it involve muesli and wheat germ in the same sentence?
Sarah Silverman 05:58
Wheat germ is a flavor to me that there’s something about childhood or something. I think because as kids, we ate Weetabix, we weren’t allowed sugar cereals. The only sugar cereal we were allowed was Honeycomb, but we mostly ate Weetabix was like a British thing. It comes in a brick. Anyway all this to say, this is my new joy. I love it. It tastes good. It feels hearty, it’s filling. Well, let us know what you think of that. Let me introduce my co host, my hangout for the day. This is the new thing where I have friends, come on. This friend is my boy friend.
Rory Albanese 06:49
All right.
Sarah Silverman 06:49
My common law, not technically common law but we say husband, wife.
Rory Albanese 06:57
At hotels. It’s weird.
Sarah Silverman 06:59
Yeah. What I want? Old people saying boyfriend and girlfriend.
Rory Albanese 07:04
It’s so hard to say my girlfriend would like some wheat germ. It sounds much better to say, wife.
Sarah Silverman 07:11
Yes, my infirmed wife.
Rory Albanese 07:14
My wife would like to make some granola and wheat germ.
Sarah Silverman 07:18
Can you put it in a blender so she can get it down?
Rory Albanese 07:21
With her Alpen muesli. If I say girlfriend, they don’t believe me. They’re like, “Why would you date someone who wants that?”.
Sarah Silverman 07:29
My companion. Everyone, this is Rory Albanese. He is my person. I talk about him a lot. Let me tell you a little bit about him. He was the executive.
Rory Albanese 07:52
You’re going credits. Okay.
Sarah Silverman 07:53
Yeah, we’re doing credits here. Isabella writes credits for intros and I go off of it. Maybe you want to know a little bit about him. He went from a production assistant to the showrunner executive producer of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. I always find that extremely impressive because, first of all, a lot of shows don’t promote from within, but this guy busted his ass – learned every job, did every job. By the time he was the executive producer, he knew the ins and outs of every single job below him. Boy, is that not a great asset to have as a showrunner, executive producer, and that’s why he is the man. Not the man in the way that we fight against.
Rory Albanese 08:55
A little bit that way.
Sarah Silverman 08:57
He’s also the man, but he’s the shit.
Rory Albanese 08:59
I definitely was at January 6.
Sarah Silverman 09:02
What?
Rory Albanese 09:03
I thought you’re. I’m sorry. Go ahead. Keep going.
Sarah Silverman 09:06
You’re at January 6?
Rory Albanese 09:07
No. I’m just saying it wasn’t that big a deal. Go ahead.
Sarah Silverman 09:10
I beg my pardoned. Terrible. We don’t like wordplay here. It’s not okay, sorry. He ran an executive produced the Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore, which was a real gem of a show. Short lived, but so good. He got to perform on it. He played a million different characters and they were all pretty racist. He currently writes and produces for a little show called Jimmy Kimmel Live, which I just appeared on actually.
Rory Albanese 09:46
You did. I got you.
Sarah Silverman 09:48
He got me in.
Rory Albanese 09:50
She got me called in a favor and I managed to get it wrong.
Sarah Silverman 09:52
He is a hilarious stand up, which he unfortunately doesn’t get as much time as one would want to do.
Rory Albanese 10:00
Because the television business is almost done.
Sarah Silverman 10:02
Right.
Rory Albanese 10:03
Yeah.
Sarah Silverman 10:03
He was on my Sarah and friends show at Largo. We both threw away all our old material and started over. I have garbage, I filled time. I actually did 25 minutes, but I do hope 24 of those minutes get displaced with better material? Rory went on and made me so mad. I mean, proud. Murdered and with fully realized material.
Rory Albanese 10:38
Wasn’t realized. There was a lot of realizing happening.
Sarah Silverman 10:42
Wow. It was something else anyway. Well, should we take some calls? Do we have anything else we want to talk about first?
Rory Albanese 10:52
I’m just a lot to take in. You know, I’ve never been on the podcast. I’ve only seen it and listened to it.
Sarah Silverman 10:57
You’ve called in for Rory side of the Albany.
Rory Albanese 11:01
I’ve done it before which was a poorly named segment, which we thought was funny, but it’s didn’t really. We did the thing. It was really based on a joke we did at The Daily Show years ago, which was we had Buck Henry do a bit on the Daily Show. We wanted an old guy shaking his fist at things. We had Buck Henry and we came up with the name of the segment was the Henry Stops Here […]. His side of the Albany’s was like you know because Rory was right there.
Sarah Silverman 11:36
Hilarious, brilliant, and wrote the graduate.
Rory Albanese 11:41
I believe so. Yeah.
Sarah Silverman 11:42
The graduates, a movie that Mike Nichols directed and Dustin Hopkins started in, you should probably check out if you’re not one of my older listeners.
Rory Albanese 11:53
Any listener who who sat through the muesli. Muesli sat section is definitely knows what the grad knows. It’s definitely in their top five favorite movies of all time.
Sarah Silverman 12:09
Listen, I’m going towards coastal grandma, but I feel that I have an Gen Z influence.
Rory Albanese 12:17
Totally. You definitely have Gen Z influence. This isn’t an attack on you as a whole.
Sarah Silverman 12:23
I tried this once before, but it’s gonna happen again. The glasses chain, you just watch.
Speaker 1 12:44
Hi. I saw your special post-mortem on Netflix, and I just wanted to tell you thank you. I laughed, I cried, I wet my pants. I thought it was brilliant. Thank you.
Sarah Silverman 13:02
Well, there you go.
Rory Albanese 13:02
Yeah. It’s funny that he wet his pants, because your Broadway musical is actually a bit about that. Really covered all the […].
Sarah Silverman 13:11
I don’t know they’ll say to that other than thank you. Thank you for all the people that called in and you know what? That brought up the bed wetter, which hopefully will be on Broadway in the spring. I hope that people watch this special post-mortem on one side or the other of seeing the bed wetter on Broadway, because they’re very interesting odd yet compatible companion pieces. I went from being on the road doing post-mortem, which is talking about my parents dying, straight to D.C, where we did a run of the bed wetter and out of town, which is about my parents living. It’s pretty well. It’s really interesting to me, because I’m the one. But, hopefully interesting to everybody.
Rory Albanese 14:00
It’s a young Donald and an older Donald kind of a tale. A tale of two Donald’s moments.
Sarah Silverman 14:06
Yeah, and there’s so much connective. Well, when Darren Goldstein, who plays Donald is just mind blowing actor. You’ve seen him in a million things and this is going to be the thing, I hope. He and his wife who’s also a Broadway star, Katie Finneran. Just were like, “Oh my god, Sarah”, because he’s been living my dad’s life for so long.
Rory Albanese 14:40
Yeah.
Sarah Silverman 14:41
That was interesting. All right, enough about me.
Carlo 14:48
Hey, Sarah. This is Carlo from British Columbia. I was just listening to your response. You were talking about how Rory used to try to fix your issues, and what you needed. Just someone to basically be there and hear you. That is a lesson I learned when I started dating who is now my wife many years ago. She’s someone who has suffered from depression and bipolar too for most of her life. I had no experience with that at all so there was a lot of learning to do when we first got together. I’ve always been wanting to do the fixing thing and I think most men probably relate to that. I learnedto not do that, to not even say anything, to just be there for her. Often I don’t even have to say anything. It’s just sitting with her, letting her cry, and being a shoulder that she can put her head on. I think part of it too is just this trust that she has all the tools. She’s been dealing with this her whole life, and she knows what to do. So, I fully trust her that she’s doing all the things she needs to do, I just need to be there with her. Anyway, I think that’s important for everyone to know.
Rory Albanese 16:17
Remember the next call is, “Hi. This is Bridget, Carlos wife. He’s full of shit”.
Sarah Silverman 16:23
Well, what he was referring to was I talked about how your instinct, like so many wonderful men, your love language is fixed. When I explained to you, all I need is for you to say, “Oh baby, I’m sorry. Is there anything I can do?” And you started doing that, it meant the whole world. When you ask, I usually am like, “You just did it”. That was it. I remember you saying, “That’s so easy”. Yeah, but that’s what I need. If I need help, how to fix it which I often do, of course I would ask you and I can tell you the lessons. What I’m learning, even just thinking about last night, is when you’re telling me your experience.
Rory Albanese 17:09
Don’t bend that way. Oh, this is about something. Okay.
Sarah Silverman 17:14
When you’re telling me your experience, I have to stop going, “Yeah, but or No” and it’s hard. It seems so easy when you’re on the other side of it and it’s hard to shut the fuck up. Repeat what you said to let you know that I heard it. Even if it is in no way how I perceived it, it’s your experience and that’s what I really have to work on, I know.
Rory Albanese 17:47
You think that’s what you have to work on? No, listen. All this shit is hard. I’m trying to do that. I think the version of me that exists on this podcast is probably much better than the real version of me.
Sarah Silverman 18:00
It is and me too, times 1,000.
Rory Albanese 18:03
But, I’m trying. I’m always trying to do better, but it’s hard not to try to fix something because it’s ingrained in me and I don’t know if this is I don’t want to get into the whole men feel this way or win feel this way. Me personally, my instinct on all problems is “Okay, let’s fix it”, so we don’t have to talk about it or complain about it or cry about it anymore. I’m only recently learning that the actual, the complaining and the crying about it, is the thing the person wants to do.
Sarah Silverman 18:31
Right.
Rory Albanese 18:31
To me, it’s hard. It’s hard for me not to be like, “Well, why don’t we just shut the fuck up and go fix the thing”. But you’re right. Girl gets it.
Sarah Silverman 18:42
Get losing Sydney and what you went through. What we both did, just so you let things go through you and it helped.
Rory Albanese 18:52
Yeah, trying to feel emotion versus just punching it down and then letting it come out. A decade later is rage, a good idea, but it’s hard to learn. Not everybody’s equipped or taught that so you got to learn it. Whatever age you can.
Sarah Silverman 19:08
Raise yourselves all over again.
Rory Albanese 19:10
I’m 24 and I’m just learning this. It’s crazy.
Sarah Silverman 19:16
Rory gets so mad because sometimes on stage, he’ll say that he was born in 1997 and the whole audience laughs. He’s so mad that it’s not even.
Rory Albanese 19:24
Just hurts my feelings. My issue is always when it’s the biggest laugh of the night. I go, “Really?” That’s the biggest laugh.It really stings.
Sarah Silverman 19:35
Right, what else?
Timmy 19:36
It’s your buddy, Timmy in Pennsylvania.
Sarah Silverman 19:38
Timmy!
Timmy 19:39
I’m the original sit on the toilet backwards guy. I am not calling about toilets or going to the bathroom. I’m calling aboutthe Mark Twain prize. I watched it. Okay. How does it feel to have upstaged every comic in that room?
Sarah Silverman 19:58
No.
Timmy 19:59
I don’t know how you’re you can possibly even upstage, Conan.
Sarah Silverman 20:03
No.
Timmy 20:04
But the Conan lip bit, my friend. Hats off. Incredible. I just so loved it. I wanted to say, as a small town comic improviser. I don’t think I’m going to probably be invited to rooms like that in my career, but just wanted to get in the front of the line if you need a plus three or plus four when you win the Mark Twain prize, because it’s going to happen. Granted certain circumstances, campaign center change. Anyway, I’d love to be there just cheering you on, because it’s coming my friend, just based off of that performance alone. By the way, I have not been to the anthropology place and I’d love to go with you. Let me know your town, we’ll go check out the outlet. Love you. Bye.
Sarah Silverman 21:03
Yes, I’ve always wanted to go to the anthropology home outlet. It’s in Pittsburgh.
Rory Albanese 21:10
I’m so glad you have Timmy to take you.
Sarah Silverman 21:13
First of all, Timmy , I’m completely star struck. This is the original caller who talked about in the middle of the night when you’re a guy and you go to pee. Go ahead and sit down to pee instead of peeing all over the floor. We have discussed this.
Rory Albanese 21:29
It’s the reason I tuned out the rest of Timmy message after he said that. I don’t know why. This again, goes back to our earlier conversation.
Sarah Silverman 21:36
I know why, but go on.
Rory Albanese 21:38
Yeah, which is I would rather pee all over the floor and on my foot, then sit down on the toilet. Yeah, I don’t know. I’m trying. I guess I have to get there.
Sarah Silverman 21:47
Would you concede that this is?
Rory Albanese 21:50
By the way, I poop standing up. It’s not just for pee. I just think men stand that’s what I think.
Sarah Silverman 21:57
I mean, this is gender.
Rory Albanese 22:03
No, I think it’s part of.
Sarah Silverman 22:04
Pounded into your head.
Rory Albanese 22:05
It’s not pounded. It’s just that your whole life. One of the perks of penises (there’s a few) not a lot, is you can pee and aimit at things. When you’re young, when I was in my 20s and stuff, that’s really how you’re cleaning your toilet. You’re just peeing stuff off the sides, you know.
Sarah Silverman 22:28
Also having a penis to pee if you’re crafted in traffic and you pee right in a freaking coke bottle. For me, I could do it, but I need a wide mouth.
Rory Albanese 22:39
You put it right in the small top.
Sarah Silverman 22:41
Apple bottle or something,
Rory Albanese 22:43
Right in the small top of a coke bottle. You fit your whole penis right in there and pee.
Rory Albanese 22:48
So your whole life, you just try to perfect being good at standing and peeing. Then as you get older, maybe it’s not the pee.
Sarah Silverman 22:48
All you have to do is fit your urethra hole against it.
Sarah Silverman 23:00
Aren’t you too tired to then wipe up all the drops off the floor?
Rory Albanese 23:05
Well, I don’t. I mean, do I have to wipe it up?
Sarah Silverman 23:08
That’s my point. He doesn’t do that.
Rory Albanese 23:10
No, I do that.
Sarah Silverman 23:11
And then I step in sticky.
Rory Albanese 23:13
That’s not true.
Sarah Silverman 23:14
Dry, but not totally dry.
Rory Albanese 23:17
Moist. That’s not true. First of all, you don’t step in it. Second of all, I always wipe up even at three in the morning.
Sarah Silverman 23:24
You wipe up the floor?
Rory Albanese 23:25
Yes, as much.
Sarah Silverman 23:26
Okay, we’re gonna take a look.
Rory Albanese 23:27
All right. Well, Timmy, you make a good point with the peeing in the sitting. You really gotta come around to that, and then the whole sitting the wrong way on the toilet.
Sarah Silverman 23:39
That was another caller, I think?
Rory Albanese 23:41
No, it was Timmy.
Amy 23:42
It’s a different caller.
Rory Albanese 23:43
It is?
Amy 23:44
Yeah.
Rory Albanese 23:45
Well, he brought it up.
Sarah Silverman 23:46
Doesn’t matter.
Rory Albanese 23:48
Let me mansplain your podcast.
Sarah Silverman 23:50
Also, let me just say one thing, I really actually don’t mind when there are some drops of pee on the floor. I love you and I don’t give a shit.
Rory Albanese 23:58
I don’t have a little bit of duty left in the toilet.
Sarah Silverman 24:01
That doesn’t happen.
Rory Albanese 24:01
It doesn’t bother me.
Sarah Silverman 24:04
It doesn’t bother you, because it doesn’t happen. One time it happened. Also, thank you for what you said about Mark Twain. I did do very well, but, I was just so happy to be there. I thought everyone killed Mulaney, amazing Sandler, gorgeous Kumail was really funny. I loved what he did. Nikki Glaser, she’s always so wonderful, but really funny bit in that too. Then Conan, wow – so silly, dumb, brilliant, so beautiful. I was really moved. Then Letterman wrapped it up so perfectly when he said that. It really felt like a comedic act of resistance. I’m so glad we didn’t dull cancel it. We’re big Conan fans too. We watch this on Spectrum TV, there’s a Conan channel.
Rory Albanese 25:10
I’ve always been a Conan fan. That channel is funny, because you realize how much he went to TBS. I was working in late night so I wasn’t really going home and watch another late night show. There’s just years of it that I would only see bits and pieces of. Now Letterman has one, I want it.
Sarah Silverman 25:30
So good. It’s just a whole channel of their library of everything, just bits and bits […].
Rory Albanese 25:38
That’s so funny and they organize it by themes.
Sarah Silverman 25:42
Yeah.
Rory Albanese 25:43
That our default channel. When you turn on the TV, it’s like “Oh, we’re gonna eat some dinner real quick, but we don’t want to lock into a whole series or something”. You just throw it on and watch 15 minutes of Conan bits. It’s fun. I like that.
Sarah Silverman 25:55
All right. What else we got?
Speaker 4 25:59
Hi, Sarah. I saw you post-mortem theory recently, it was absolutely wonderful. Fun fact, my nine year old son has been shortening words. I know it’s kind of the cool thing to do these days. A year now, whenever he’s hungry, he just comes in the room and he says, “I’m hung”, and it’s pretty entertaining. Obviously I’m not explaining exactly what that means at this point in his life. He’ll figure it out one day. But anyway, Another side note I wanted to point out is that you had mentioned in your podcast that people who mistrust or don’t have as much trust in relationships. It’s because that they themselves could be a cheater or see themselves as someone who could potentially cheat. I just want to offer another side to that I did. I was in a relationship for 20 years. I had my heart broken by somebody who caught me off guard wit cheating that I was devoted to, and it gives you some mistrust. Even though I myself would never be a cheater, because I think it’s completely stupid, why wouldn’t you just end a relationship if you don’t want to be with him? That sometimes people just have trouble earning that trust back and I just wanted to make sure that you were thinking about that as well in the situation.
Sarah Silverman 27:30
I hear you completely and of course, you’re right. In my view, in my experience, when men are very jealous and don’t trust you. It’s because the idea of cheating is possible in their minds. I think in general, cheaters don’t trust their partnersor worry that their partners are cheating because they themselves. that’s a possibility in their world. I’ve been cheated on. I’m sorry I’m not including him, because of course, that makes sense if you’re cheated on, that you would be wary. But I just keep trusting my next person over. It never occurs to me that anyone would cheat on me. Of course, I’ve been wrong a few times, but it still just never occurs to me. The cheating sucks and but also what sucks is not trusting your partner. Not being able to trust your partner sucks. Run for Z hills, not worth it.
Rory Albanese 28:46
I think it’s easy to say that when you’re in a relationship for 20 years, not worth.
Sarah Silverman 28:52
You’re probably right.
Rory Albanese 28:55
I’ve been on all sides of this issue, and I can tell you that it’s not as always, as clear cut as it’s made out to be. Lack of communication and lack of understanding, whatever else. At the end of the day, I’m still learning. But we’ve been pretty good at, be able to talk to the person and more things close down and you can’t communicate. Then when you’re tryingto communicate something, and the person isn’t taking it, then you just, I don’t know. It’s hard. Sometimes even just like, “Oh, you can just end it with someone or why don’t they tell you?”. Sometimes you say things to people and you think that they’re getting it, and they’re just not getting it. They just think you’re saying it, that’s a factor too.
Sarah Silverman 29:39
Yeah.
Rory Albanese 29:40
I thought I was really clear on all these things. I’m not saying there aren’t components of cheating that are just someonecheating, but I do think there’s components of it that evolve out of a reaction to some other shit.
Sarah Silverman 29:56
There’s a whole spectrum of cheating there. Men that don’t see women as equals or human that just go, “Pussy”. Then there are people who are feel shut out of the connection of their relationship and don’t kind of know what to do. There are people that fall in love with someone else. There are myriad reasons, but it is brave to break up with someone and not cheat. I think there are a lot of people who do not want to break up with their partner because they don’t want to be alone at all. They want to secure their next partner before they break up and that is about not being able to be alone.
Rory Albanese 30:44
Is this an intervention? Because this feels like an intervention.
Sarah Silverman 30:47
No why? Yeah, I totally hear you. Of course, you’re right. Unfortunately, it’s no way to live to go “I’ve been cheated on, s I’m not going to be able to trust my partner in future relationships”, is also problematic. It’s not healthy for you either. Dowhat I do. What did I say to you when we became a couple? Do you remember about this?
Rory Albanese 31:20
You said “Take off your G-string”. I was like, “Well, how’d you know I was wearing a G-string?” You said, “Because you don’t have underwear lines in those white coats”. What was the question? You said a minute ago “Pussy” and I blacked out after that.
Sarah Silverman 31:38
I said, if you cheat on me, I’ll murder you and then just go to jail for life.
Rory Albanese 31:43
Oh, yeah. That’s right, that’s what you told me. That’s a good way to do it.
Sarah Silverman 31:46
We’re done.
Rory Albanese 31:47
Totally.
Sarah Silverman 31:50
Also, yeah. Totally. What else?
Tyler 32:00
Hi Sarah. I’ve been a lifelong fan of yours. Jesus’s magic came out when I was in college, and I genuinely think of you as one of the all time greats. I do have an honest question for you that I hope you won’t take the wrong way, because I really want to hear your thoughts. You’ve talked over the years about how you’ve evolved, and there are a lot of your edgier jokes from your early days that you wouldn’t do now. I respect that, because you’re certainly allowed to grow andchange, and that’s honestly what I want from an artist, whether it’s a comedian, a novelist, or a filmmaker, a musician. Go wherever your inspiration and conscience guide you. For a comedian, go where the funny is for you in that moment.I’m not saying you need to stay the same and be making the same jokes that you used to. I love your new stuff. Then sometimes in interviews, when I hear you talk about specific jokes, you wouldn’t do now or that you’ve apologized for. It also sounds like, without necessarily meaning to you’re implicating us, the audience who found it funny and who may even still find those particular jokes funny. There are lots of jokes in your TV show or that first special that I think you would say now were in poor taste or offensive. But then, what does that say about me who still loves those jokes? Does that make sense? You’re talking about how you’ve evolved to realize making certain jokes or saying certain words or doing certain things was wrong, but do you worry about alienating fans who aren’t saying you have to stay the same? Maybe don’t like the implication that our humor is somehow incorrect, insensitive, offensive, racist or homophobic,whatever. I’m gay, by the way. I’m not sure that actually matters, but I do think having some context that I’m part of a group that can often be beat the butt of jokes and stereotypes. I laugh at a lot of those.
Rory Albanese 33:55
Is there a gay joke about that?
Tyler 33:58
This isn’t some guy being like, “We can’t say the words we used to, and I’m mad about it”. I’m just curious about how youfeel about people feeling judged because they love your old material, even though it’s material you don’t love anymore. Thank you.
Sarah Silverman 34:16
I don’t know how some callers can make a minute and a half feel so long.
Rory Albanese 34:22
Why don’t you just put like a 22nd timer on those. Please gather your thoughts. You’re calling into a fucking radio show.
Sarah Silverman 34:28
They’re a minute and a half maximum, but felt like a lifetime.
Rory Albanese 34:34
Guys aware of the generation we live in, wanting nine second things. 1840s men made a jest towards another fellow.
Sarah Silverman 34:48
The beginning of that message doesn’t hold up by the end of it.
Rory Albanese 34:52
Yeah, I have to shave. I was clean shaven when that message started. I’m sorry now he’s going to be offended by thatnow.
Sarah Silverman 35:00
No, Tyler, I am not worried about people who might be offended that the jokes that they once found funny I wouldn’t dotoday. What does that say it by them, I think you’re fine. All that material is accessible to go and enjoy. I love that you love that old stuff. By the way, you probably love it because you took it in the way it was intended. But we don’t live in aworld where I intended matters. We live in a world where what’s inferred matters in some cases. I wonder if you might find that you love the memory of that stuff which you experienced in a different time in your life, in a different time in the world. All I’m saying is, as a comedian, the stuff I put out now is stuff that I think is funny. Maybe not everybody does, but is through the lens of where I’m at now, where the world’s at now, my immediate world and the world at large. For me, it doesn’t hold up. Comedy, great comedy, shitty comedy, all sorts of comedy is not always evergreen. That’s all.I have respect for material I’ve done in the past. There’s a lot of it I still love. I’m really not even looking back towards it. Iunderstand as a fan of comedy, I might watch something over and over again. What I realize now, being on both sides of it is, when it’s your stuff, you don’t remember it. I don’t remember half the jokes I’ve told if they weren’t the last specialor last two specials. I’m not watching it over and over. I’m not watching it at all. I’ve just moved past it. I’m not you. You can still love it. Listen, you can even see it with warts and all, and enjoy it knowing it’s from another time or knowing what the real intention was and that you’re not. Even just watching friends, I love watching friends. Does it all totally hold up? No. I mean, it’s 90% gay jokes by straight people. But we can watch it knowing that we have grown as a society. Some of us past all of that, and we see that it doesn’t hold up, but we still can enjoy it and love it in that context. That’s all I’m saying. I’m just not putting out more of the same for myriad reasons, and I used that correctly.
Rory Albanese 38:04
For me, it’s interesting because I really admire gay men in particular who come out of the closet, because I think it’s really brave. I go man, it’s really cool that you can own your shit, and it’s hard to own that. I grew up in a time when, being gay was just. The thing everybody was trying not to be.
Sarah Silverman 38:24
We’re realizing that everyone needs to come out of the closet with one thing or another.
Rory Albanese 38:28
About something, right? I was talking about something you got to say out loud to be who you are, and it’s hard to do. It’s interesting to me that you can do that and be like, “Yeah, I don’t give a shit. That’s who I am”. But the thought of possibly liking jokes still that are off putting, you’re worried about how that will sit with other people. It’s interesting because, like, “Who gives a fuck what other people?”. I think that’s such an interesting lesson of life. The more you realize what people think of you doesn’t matter and the more you know that, the more you become you and become liberated from all of that nonsense. I think this whole culture of checking people for liking. I still think all of Mel Brooks early movies are funny.
Sarah Silverman 39:13
Of course.
Rory Albanese 39:15
What movie has more racist and offensive jokes than Blazing Saddles? And I’d watch it tomorrow.
Sarah Silverman 39:21
It was co written by Richard Pryor.
Rory Albanese 39:26
Comedy is a reflection of its time, and I think that we’re about to enter back into that time, because people the last 10 years have been getting so annoyed that they can’t or there’s a perception that things can’t be said. So you’re about to have a new younger generation of comedians come forward and be the ones who push the envelope again. The new generation of the George Carlin’s, Sarah Silverman’s or the Richard Pryor’s, who are now going to come up. You’re goingto see 25 year old guys, women, people of all.
Sarah Silverman 39:57
Absolutely.
Rory Albanese 39:58
Who are doing a new thing now. Which is saying, “Shit nobody wants us to say”, because we’re the new rebel breed of comedy and we’re gonna go right back to it.
Sarah Silverman 40:06
But here’s the secret, you can say anything you want to.
Rory Albanese 40:12
Yeah.
Sarah Silverman 40:12
The bravery is a little bit objective, but I do think you’re right in a lot of ways. To this caller, two things. One, you may be over it and like, “I’m gay and I don’t care. I like gay jokes”. But, there’s a 13 year old kid in bum-fuck.
Rory Albanese 40:35
Don’t say bum-fuck when you’re talking about a gay 13 year old. That’s not the town he wants to be from bum-fuck.
Sarah Silverman 40:43
There’s a […] for every grown man who is self possessed, out of the closet and strong in his self.
Rory Albanese 40:53
Living somewhere in tasty cock. A small town in the Midwest.
Sarah Silverman 40:58
What I’m saying is there are kids in areas where they are not safe. When jokes like this embolden, especially in a world like this (I don’t want to be a part of it), but we always say, at home joke within the right company where you know. No one there is you’re not going to get mouth full of blood laughs, meaning they’re laughing at the wrong thing where you know that the company you’re in knows how you really feel and this is purely for comedy, to be an asshole. There’s a safety in that. But in terms of publicly comedy, we live in very tenuous times. I’m not saying like, “Oh, I’m afraid to get canceled”. I’m saying you as a gay man, are losing rights. Trans kids and trans people are in danger in this country with this administration and active danger. It changes the way I want to talk about things. It changes the way I do talk aboutthings. I still would love to talk irreverently about these things, but the joke has to be on the power, in my view. But listen, Tyler, I will never judge you for the things that make you laugh especially if it’s me. There you go.
Rory Albanese 42:36
Tyler, the creator of long messages.
Sarah Silverman 42:40
That’s why he is Rory.
Sarah Silverman 42:47
Dad, wherever you are out there in space time, I miss you so much. This is the part of the podcast when I say, “What Rory”.
Rory Albanese 42:57
The Jews control the media.
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Rory Albanese 43:35
It does sound fancy.
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Rory Albanese 43:48
Mary’s gonna sign.
Sarah Silverman 43:49
Thanks, Rory.
Rory Albanese 43:50
This was fun. I had a good time doing this. This is cool. You’re cool, man. You want to get a drink some time?
Sarah Silverman 43:54
Yeah.
Rory Albanese 43:54
We’ll do some blow? This is married or secure. I like doing podcasts. Good sign off, Mary. If you watch with your eye holes, you can see two things – a very pasty man and a very cute dog.
Sarah Silverman 44:11
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