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Which is the best movie soundtrack: Trainspotting or Purple Rain? The co-hosts of the One Song podcast square off this week with Diallo Riddle taking the side of Trainspotting and LUXXURY representing Purple Rain. However, the planned debate gets derailed immediately when host Ronald Young Jr. admits he’s “neutral” on Prince. In a PCDC first, the guests join forces and try to convince Ronald to give Prince another shot. Will they succeed?

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Transcript

SPEAKERS

Luxxury, Ronald young Jr., Diallo Riddle

Ronald young Jr.  00:00

So let’s meet our panelists for the day, representing the Purple Rain soundtrack. You might have watched one of his tiktoks. His videos on the platform have been viewed nearly one what’s up listeners? So today’s episode was originally supposed to be a debate of the best movie soundtracks, putting train spotting up against Purple Rain. Today’s panelists were the CO hosts of the Sirius XM podcast, one song, luxury and Diallo riddle. It started as every episode does, with the introductions, DJ, producer, songwriter, musicologist and the co host of the hit Sirius XM music podcast, one song, Hello and welcome, Luxury.

 

Luxxury  00:37

Hello Ronald, nice to meet you.

 

Ronald young Jr.  00:39

Nice to meet you as well.

 

Luxxury  00:40

Check out you Ronald or Ron?

 

Ronald young Jr.  00:41

I prefer Ronald. Okay, it doesn’t matter.

 

Luxxury  00:44

Let’s do it, Ronald, you got it.

 

Ronald young Jr.  00:46

Also joining us. Repping the train, spouting soundtrack. Is a writer and creator of iconic TV shows like Southside and Sherman’s showcase. He is also the co host of the hit Sirius XM music podcast. One song, let’s welcome Diallo Riddle.

 

Luxxury  00:59

That’s crazy, because I’m also the co host of that same podcast.

 

Diallo Riddle  01:02

Yeah, I’ve seen you in the hallway.

 

Ronald young Jr.  01:06

So tell me how did so after the introductions, I wanted to let our panelists know something that I thought would help them in presenting their arguments, but it actually ended up blowing up the discussion entirely. I have to start with a confession, which is that we are arguing Purple Rain versus Train Spotting. I have never seen either one of these movies, and I’ve never heard either one of these soundtracks.

 

Luxxury  01:27

What did you just say? Can you say, I don’t think I heard you correctly.

 

Diallo Riddle  01:32

I can believe that you haven’t seen what train spotted. You’ve never seen Purple Rain. You’ve never heard the Purple Rain album.

 

Ronald young Jr.  01:39

Either one. Are you an American? Come on. Well I was raised in the church, and so Prince was frowned upon, and I never got in my formative years. We never, I never. My intention here was to let both of the panelists know that they had a fighting chance, because I think all things being equal, the Train Spotting soundtrack didn’t have much of a shot against Purple Rain. I explained as much, and I thought I was presenting them both with an opportunity, but then I went and said the wrong thing, because I think in most cases, the scales are tipped in favor of Purple Rain. But I think because I’ve listened to neither one, and I’m like, kind of pretty neutral on Prince, I would love to hear be convinced on Prince. I am neutral on Prince. This is a real debate. Diallo, you have a real chance here.

 

Luxxury  01:40

Interesting framing going on, yeah.

 

Diallo Riddle  02:28

You’re about to make me, like, throw out all the all the transplanting versus Purple Rain, and actually pick up for Purple Rain in the sense that, let me ask you this, what do you mean by neutral on Prince, like you’re like, he ain’t no Chris Brown like.

 

Luxxury  02:44

This is an intervention. Is what this is not the podcast you thought it was.

 

Ronald young Jr.  02:48

And it certainly wasn’t on today’s episode luxury and Diallo riddle, co hosts of the one song podcast from Sirius XM joined forces to convince me to love Prince, and along the way, we also espouse the merits of the Train Spotting soundtrack and long for the days of the monoculture. As a result, we don’t decide much once and for all, but you’re still listening to Pop Culture Debate Club. I’m Ronald Young Jr.

 

Ronald young Jr.  03:25

I’ve had a lot of people around me be excited about Prince, and they’ll be like, they’ll play this song, and they’ll play this song, and I’m like, I don’t It’s not doing anything for me. Like, I sigh. But no. But the problem is, I think most people who are in love with Prince, in most cases, have some sort of connection to Prince that, like, is formative in their minds. And I never got that. I was just, I was like a grown man who was like having other grown people try to introduce me to an artist that meant something them as a child, or was passed down to them from their parents.

 

Diallo Riddle  03:54

You mind me asking, like, what year, roughly, were you born? Do you mind 84 I’m 40.

 

Luxxury  04:00

You mean the year Purple Rain came out? Okay, great. I hear you, okay.

 

Diallo Riddle  04:04

That does make a difference. That does make a difference if you remember, if you have, if you have core memories of how scandalized America was by this album, that does make a difference. But I’d also ask, and I’m just curious, this is not confrontational, who’s, who’s one of your favorite artists? Who’s somebody who you need? I know you’re going with this. You’re not mutual. You’re like, very pro. You’re very pro. Okay, who do you love? I know, I think I know what’s about to happen here. But no, I’m just curious. I’m not gonna attack them. I probably love them too. I’m just curious.

 

Ronald young Jr.  04:31

So when I was a teenager and young adult, I listened to a lot of music, Soul child, which I know it’s a mistake to tell you okay, so I see your face already laughing.

 

Luxxury  04:41

So yes, see you can you can educate me. You can educate me. I don’t know what music soul child is.

 

Ronald young Jr.  04:45

Oh, my God, now  with you. Luxury.

 

Luxxury  04:49

Fair is fair.

 

Ronald young Jr.  04:50

Soul child is an artist. He did love the song, love. We’re very popular in the late 90s, early 2000s Okay, so many things I’m trying to tell you. And I’m afraid, I don’t know how you had to have heard that song, Luxury.

 

Luxxury  05:03

I’ve just never heard it. I have a blind spot a lot of like, 90s, R&B, like, I’m learning all the time on the show from the extra 2000.

 

Ronald young Jr.  05:11

Okay, yeah, 1000s.

 

Diallo Riddle  05:13

Music, Soul Child, yeah, it’s the 2000s but, yeah, no. Okay, so I’m learning. I’m learning so much about everybody, yeah, and I’m not judging.

 

Luxxury  05:21

That’s okay. The thing is, I don’t mind being judged. People often say I’m not judging Exactly. So I get it, but I fully understand.

 

Diallo Riddle  05:35

Blake, have you ever heard the song? Just friends, you’ve definitely heard that. I’m not gonna try and sing it.

 

Luxxury  05:44

Do [….] nothing.

 

Diallo Riddle  05:48

Melody, sing the lyric. Well, no.

 

Luxxury  05:52

I’m not trying to pressure. You just can’t stop about you. You ain’t even really gotta be my girlfriend.

 

Diallo Riddle  06:01

I will say that even music Soul Child thinks you should not be neutral on Prince, if I may. But that’s neither here nor there.

 

Ronald young Jr.  06:09

Y’all both have time like I will give you both some opportunities now you could convince me to not be neutral on Prince, because here’s the thing I’ll tell you, this what I know about Prince politically, I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen about Prince and pop culture. I’ve enjoyed what I know about him and his business and owning his masters. I’ve enjoyed those things. What I’ve not ever really felt connected to was his music. And I feel like that’s where, that’s where I feel the most like neutral.

 

Luxxury  06:35

Maybe you and I can try different approaches. I’m gonna start with. I mean, there’s a lot of ways we could try this, but like, one, what pops to mind first and foremost is like, and maybe, Diallo, you and I are gonna huddle. So, like, don’t listen for a second. Ronald, okay, Diallo, what would be the top three songs? Right for, like, a new because it’s gotta, it’s gotta be like, like, probably kiss, a kiss might be up there.

 

Diallo Riddle  06:55

Prince has many sides, you know, like, there’s a side that’s just, there’s a side that plays guitar, you know, better than Eric Clapton, but then, but then there’s things like, there’s songs like a door, okay, there’s one of my favorite songs by Princess is a complete Slow Jam named, damn you, I believe off of, it’s one of, I think it’s like an early 90s cut. You know, there’s soft and wet, which is.

 

Luxxury  07:18

Yeah, I was gonna say soft and wet might be a good one for him.

 

Diallo Riddle  07:20

A complete funk song so soft and wet for the funk, damn you, and a door and insatiable for, like, the Slow Jam, R&B cut.

 

Luxxury  07:32

What about straight up funky? Do you like funk? Like, just straight up funk? Is that like a thing for you? Like, just down the midline? It’s fine, okay.

 

Ronald young Jr.  07:41

You know what’s funny, I’m a big Chuck Brown fan. I like go, and I like that. So like, I like post funk really, more than I like funk itself. Like funk derivatives more than funk itself.

 

Luxxury  07:51

All right. It is a challenge. I like the challenge, though. First of all, outside of his earliest few records, which were more in the black, it wasn’t mainstream. It wasn’t white audiences until this movie, which, for a reason, has the rock guitars and the mixed band, etc, the revolution, it breaks wide open. And there’s a reason for it. You know, he’s sort of crafted this with the image in addition to the music. So being there at the time and being exposed to that like, sort of one two punch of music and movie like, and how cool he is, and how mysterious he is, and how sort of sexy he is in the photographs, like when you open the album cover and he’s sort of in the bathtub coming, you know, like all of that is part of why the love and adoration is there for me personally, as long in addition to, I think, a lot of people. And again, that’s not to say anything. It’s not to put the music down at all, but it’s music plus, and now we live in an age when we take that for granted. Like most things we hear, have a visual component that sort of supports what we like about the artist. It’s hard to know when, where one ends and the other begins.

 

Ronald young Jr.  08:52

Well, let me ask you, like you specifically were talking about what prince did something that pinged my brain is kind of what lil NAS X is doing kind of right now in terms of imagery, provocateur slash blending genres.

 

Luxxury  09:07

That’s a great analogy. Yeah, I’ll say this. There may be a perfect analogy available to us, but certainly a young, I think, kind of small in stature, right? Black person, individual star, right? So it’s a it’s an individual in our band who is playing with, in addition to and within the music sexual taboo of the era. So Prince famously has the song controversy, am black or white, am straight or gay. That’s blowing minds in 1980 81 like it really is on the radio for and for a black male performer of all things. You know, fine, there’s Bowie in the mid 70s doing it, but this is a new version of maybe that idea, and maybe the lil NAS x is the new version of that as well.

 

Ronald young Jr.  09:50

We’ll be back with more Pop Culture Debate Club after this break.

 

Ronald young Jr.  10:09

Okay, so like, when we thought about framing this debate, which I’m now understanding, is not as much debate, but when we’re thinking about privy to debate, I’m ready to I’m ready to argue, well, I’m gonna break it like, well, let’s talk about it. Because we, we, we matched up Purple Rain. And even me, to my untrained here, when I heard that one side was purple rain and the other side is train spotting, I was completely baffled. So why, when you brought per, would you bring in train spotting against something like Purple Rain? Like, what are your What was your rationale behind that?

 

Diallo Riddle  10:40

Well, I mean full disclosure, I think that I don’t know that I fully understood the assignment. I think that, listen, I’m just gonna rip the band aid off. Purple Rain is one of my favorite albums of all time. We can talk about it. I’m not gonna be here to tear down Purple Rain. But what I will say is that in my own personal life, in my own personal musical journey. Train spotting is very important, and I think it served in my life a role that it served in a lot of people’s lives who saw that movie and heard the soundtrack. In short, Trainspotting was a soundtrack that really did cobble together songs from so so many various types of underground deep cuts. But like, you know, if you have open ears, accessible music, I mean, you’ve got everything from Iggy Pop and Brian Eno to groups like primal scream and new order. You’ve got groups like left field and Underworld. These are like Earl these are like 90s electronica slash dance groups. So you’ve got this cacophony of all these different kind of groups that, quite honestly, I was like, how do you how do all those different kind of groups, old rock, new Brit pop dance music? How do all those fit onto one soundtrack like this, and the way that it affected me is that it made me as a DJ, step out of just r&b and hip hop, which had been my focus all the way up until I saw that movie and heard that soundtrack.

 

Luxxury  12:13

You know, the emotional connection that Diallo you have with train spotting is a significant reason why you’re choosing it. It’s not purely for its musicality or its impact on the culture. It’s because of how we feel about it, so we share that for our respective sides, as it were, but everything you’re saying about train spotting is resonating for me, and there’s something special about it as like, as like a mix tape that, like your cooler older sibling, might give you kind of thing. There is some there has been my whole life, at least, there’s been something very like special. There’s a specialness that is ascribed to these British bands of a certain like the post punk bands. These are my favorite like growing up, they were the coolest. They had the best songs of photography, and they were bringing in post punk. Means after punk, they started weaving in lots of different styles. And these are mostly white, mostly male musicians that are like, let’s try to put some disco beats underneath these crunchy guitars. Let’s try to bring these things that might have been in Prince’s era, he was doing a similar thing, right, bringing the rock guitars with the funk beats. These bands were doing a similar thing a little bit later, maybe, but in England and that, that’s what Diallo and I have a shared love for is when all of these different sounds and genres come together and are mixed and matched in such a way that it makes something new.

 

Diallo Riddle  13:27

It’s what we try and do on our podcast. On our podcast, we’ll jump from Stevie Wonder to Amy Winehouse. We’ll literally jump from, you know, massive attack to juice world. And to a certain extent, I was not that before train spotting. In fact, I would also make the case that you got to remember train spotting came out before the iPod, and I do believe that the iPod had a huge effect on people’s consumption of music, because all of a sudden your 12 minute Stevie Wonder song you know from the you know songs of the Key of Life, that song sat right next to your you know, ludicrous, and the young blood song, you know what I mean, like those songs were right next to each other. So by 2002 2003 when everybody’s got an iPod, we’re digesting music differently, and we’re mixing music up. But in the 90s, music is still balkanized to use it. It’s still very much separated. So the fact that somebody had the foresight, I don’t know if it was Danny Boyle or the record label. I don’t know who it’s probably Danny Boyle, because he was the one who put all those songs next to each other, and at the time that sort of post modern clip cutting and pasting. It felt brilliant.

 

Ronald young Jr.  14:33

Diallo, when it comes to, like, listening to the train spotting album, you mentioned that it came at, like, a pivotal time in your life when you were DJing. Like, what did it mean to you in terms of, like, driving around listening to this album?

 

Diallo Riddle  14:43

Man, I’m a weirdo. Man, I used to like to pull up. I can remember pulling up to the black club, you know, blasting Underworld and dab punk. In fact, my I was at the first Coachella, I’m proud to say, first Coachella, 1999 in the desert in. Was a one day festival. Everybody thought it was going to be whack because they had just done, what’s that other festival? Called not Lollapalooza? What’s the other one that was famous at the time? Oh, what’s the bad boy stock 99 it just we don’t talk about that into complete disaster, complete disaster festival. People thought, yes, exactly. People thought music festivals were not going to be a thing in America much longer. But I remember, I ran into my friend Danny Passman, who eventually became the lawyer for Dave punk. I ran into him, but at that time, we were just freaking, just straight out of college noobs, and I ran into him in the Tower Records parking lot, and I was like, Yo, I’m gonna drive out to I didn’t call it, I didn’t call it Indio. I just like, I’m going to Coachella. I think it’s just past Palm Springs or something. I was like, Do you want to come? And he’s like, go ahead and go. So I drive out to the desert. I drive I like, Park. I clearly don’t plan on drinking, obviously not doing any drugs, because I plan on driving back safely. I go out there, and I think the biggest name of any artist out there that day was Beck. I think Beck was the headliner, but I stood in front of the underworld stage, and they took the stage, and it blew my mind. It legitimately blew my mind. And that was when I was like, Oh, snap. This dance music that’s coming out of the UK is very reminiscent of that booty shape Miami bass music that Luke and Gucci crew and freaking kilo, all of them were doing that, like, you know, 135 like, I was like, Oh, they’re just doing that in the UK. I don’t even know if they know about Gucci crew. They should, because, you know, that’s another, that’s another podcast. I was like, Man, I got, I got to get into this. And then I saw the Chemical Brothers, and they had a big screen behind them with, like these robots that would go from black and white to color. And I was like, I went from spinning primarily just like whatever, like the hot hip hop was. I was never, I’m not trying to be cool. I was never really into Diddy as much. I felt like him after Biggie, death, especially, like you know, he was sampling his form of sampling was not my favorite. I was more into the raucous label, which had most death, Tali and quali.

 

Ronald young Jr.  17:09

Oh, I now know who you are, Diallo.

 

Diallo Riddle  17:16

They’re sampling Hollywood F mace. I’ve made my piece with mace I made my but here was an underground British dance music that was completely in that zone, and I probably wouldn’t have even thought to go to Coachella, if not for the train spotting soundtrack.

 

Ronald young Jr.  17:32

We’ll be back with more PCDC after this break.

 

Ronald young Jr.  17:50

It’s funny, because I feel like what I’m discovering through this conversation is that both of y’all probably like both albums for similar reasons that you like music, which is that you love the mix and meld of all of these, all of this music, and what it actually does when you can go from one to the other, which feels very important, Luxury, would you say that that’s the common thread here? Or are you seeing something?

 

Luxxury  18:16

It’s an interesting I’m thinking about it. I mean, it’s a little bit more of a like, not incorrect, like, intellectualized, you know, connection. I think that personally, it’s just that I saw the movie when it came I, I was at Jenny beaumont’s birthday party, and we in the backyard, we played freaking croquet. And the winner.

 

Diallo Riddle  18:37

You mentioned this party before this was a four, because.

 

Luxxury  18:40

The first prize was Purple Rain on vinyl, which I still have that same copy to this day, because that was my first ever record. That was my own personal record and my dad’s record, right? So like this, this record is important to me because I want it. I was aware of When Doves Cry was on the radio. I don’t think I’d seen the movie yet, but in this moment of my life, it’s like it’s such a formative experience, and it’s exciting, and the music’s amazing, and it’s exciting to everyone around me, because, like, that’s, that’s kind of when you’re a kid. Look, what is Pop Music, right? If not a cultural bonding experience for me, in that moment, it was the music was amazing, the movie was amazing. I won the record, and everyone else was into it, and it was on the radio. So that’s all very exciting. So it is different to get into music now that is from before, when you don’t have those circumstances. I think that’s for me, what Purple Rain. That’s how I got into it. And then over time, it’s like it starts to become who I am. So I’m formed by what, thankfully, Prince eclectically brought together with his sound choices and like, across the nine songs, they’re very eclectic songs. There’s a, you know, that 180 whatever it is, BPM, let’s go crazy, that starts it off. And then, like, it’s different tempos and different sounds. That experience probably formed some, to your point, probably gave me some of this mixed tape II, you know ears.

 

Diallo Riddle  20:00

I agree with you. The sheer tempo, the sheer BDM of let’s go crazy, is Prince. Prince’s brilliance, in a nutshell, because he’s taken, he’s taken a tempo that you’ve only heard in church, that like that’s not a typical R, B tempo, and he’s merged it with the sort of I would call it cocaine, speed, fast, new wave, which was awesome.

 

Luxxury  20:27

Right, and the church and the organ. It starts out with the church organ and the church sermon at the very beginning, you will love it. Ronald, you’ll love

 

Diallo Riddle  20:34

1. He goes from the late 1800s the church, and by the time that lindrome comes in, he’s brought you from the 1880s all the way to the 1980s he has

 

Luxxury  20:44

Bridged Hendrix wailing guitar solo at the at the very end of it, like he.

 

Diallo Riddle  20:49

And then he goes back 20 years. He’s like, Oh, by the way.

 

Ronald young Jr.  20:55

Yeah, with all of that in mind, thinking about what music is today, I think a barber shop argument that comes up often is that music has no substance today. And I feel like I’ve been in conversations like these with folks that wax poetic about albums in the past and what it did to advance music forward. And we know that there have been those advancement forward. Like, we don’t talk about him as much anymore because of kind of what he’s been doing, like, kind of socially and politically, but Kanye West was pushing a lot of stuff forward and bringing a lot of threads together in a way that advanced a lot of artists. But kind of where we are now. We’re in a different spot. And think about where Prince was, what? What that congealed? What happens in 2024 what does the future look like? Like, do we get another prince? Is there going to be another advance forward, or have we? Have we run out?

 

Diallo Riddle  21:43

I don’t think. I don’t I listen. I don’t think a I don’t think you’ll get another Michael Jackson. You won’t get another prince the same way, you won’t get another Kanye, another Pharrell. I just saw piece by piece over the weekend. I really enjoyed it. I actually learned some stuff I did not know. So I think that, no, I think these, some of these people are just one of a kind. But here’s the thing, I don’t know what it is. I think, I think COVID had a more lingering effect on this decade than I thought it was going to have, because I would have thought by 2024 we’d already be back in the club. I’m still somebody who, despite my wife’s protests, I do try to get out at least once or twice a month to just go to a spot where I know the crowd is going to be younger than me, because I remember what it felt like, you know, the first time I was in the club and I heard any rds, all the girls waiting in line for the bathroom, the spot went off. You know what I’m saying? Like it was, like one of those spontaneous things where I didn’t even know everybody had heard the song, like I had heard the song, but the spot went off the first time I heard actually, recently, I was out the weekend after, not like us came out, yes, and to see everybody Going Ape over that, I still love that visceral like the first time you’re out there in like a new song, has everybody pumped bodak Yellow, yes. The first time I heard Cardi B in a club, and everybody knew all the words Jesus, blood issues? Yeah. I was like, yes, this is it. I have, with the exception of Kendrick, I have not heard that that often in the past few years. I think certain songs like Megan, the stallion savage remix featuring Beyonce, I think that would have been a song that, like, just controlled the club for a little bit, but it didn’t, because we were all in our house. So I do think that, like, it’s taking time. And also these kids now, these kids, they they talk to their friends online when they’re playing games. You know, I’m saying they’re like, you know, there’s a lot less of a need for them to be physically out. But I think the wonderful thing about being physically in the same cramped space is that you get those moments that leave an indelible memory in your in your brain. I’m reminded that scene in black Klansmen, which we were just talking about on our episode recently, talking about Earth women fire. There’s a scene in the black Klansmen where everybody’s in the club and they’re dancing to a song called, I believe I’m falling in love. Oh, it’s too late to turn back now. That’s the name of the song. Too late to turn back now, and everybody’s dancing, and they’re in this tight by the Cornelius brothers and sister rose too late to turn back now, they’re dancing in cramped quarters. I think you there’s something about physically being in the shared space of other people that helps propel the art in certain directions.

 

Luxxury  24:17

Yeah, I think if you separate the a couple, like three layers, basically, of what music is like. Music’s a lot of things. If you separate, like the on paper, like the notes and the chords and the lyrics, etc, if you separate that part of music from what it sounds like, which is the history of production, you know. So, like, there was only there was one track in the 50s, and then we have four tracks, and now we have infinite tracks. So things start to get better sounding for more people, and now it’s all flattened out. And the third thing on top of that is sort of what Diala was alluding to, which to me, is maybe the most important thing and the most underrated thing, which is music as a social connectivity and an individual just experience which is related to that, which is like you have your. Are songs and artists that unite you with a sort of the group that’s like, not the jocks at the school or whatever it is, like there’s or that at the club. You all experience it together. Or all you there’s a band you go to see, but the opening act is amazing and blows your mind and changes your life. Like all of these experiences that are related to sort of, they’re related to the music, don’t get me wrong, but they’re sort of like the intertextual nature of what the music’s meaning is in the culture, and for you, among your friends, or geographically, my son is really into Kendrick Lamar, because Kendrick Lamar is amazing, but he’s also Los Angeles. He’s got a lot of La pride, so that’s a big part of the of the Kendrick experience, is his LA-ness. So, and I think you can kind of ascribe that to a lot of different artists in a lot of different ways. The last thing I’ll say So to your question, to Will we get another prince or Michael Jackson? The last thing is, those were all of an era which I think is long gone, where there’s, you know, three TV channels, right? Or whatever it is, the fragmentation is such that there isn’t really anyone or the power to anoint. It doesn’t not exist. You know, we are hearing an awful lot of Sabrina. Carpenter this summer, or chapel Rowan. There’s like a hand or Taylor Swift, right? There are certain artists that sort of everybody seems to be aware of or knowing about Sure. There are still major label machines with millions of dollars that that may or may not go away, by the way, it might because I was just listening to a Tiktok from a billboard writer who’s a creator that I really like. Kristen Robinson is her name, and she’s talking about, look the Spotify playlist. Days are over, and kind of right now the Tiktok days are starting to wane. What comes next, as far as what gets an artist big question mark. We’re not really sure what the next, because the labels aren’t sure either, so they’ll probably figure it out. Though, will probably always be a pushed artist, but more importantly, there will always be music that filters into communities, into friend groups, into the text chain, where it’s just important enough to those people, to you as an individual, that it’s that’s all that matters and it resonates with you. It gives you some connectivity, socially, culturally, and stays with you your whole life, and then that becomes the bedrock that you build new tastes and interests on top of.

 

Diallo Riddle  27:09

Blake and I, we hope to do like more live shows, because I also think live shows, in addition to like dancing in cram clubs, live shows mean a lot. I only discovered JPEGmafia and Denzel Curry because I wanted to go see someone else at the echo Plex. So I think that the discovery of new stuff that you love because you want to go see someone else you love perform live, I don’t think that goes away. I think that that’s always one of the best ways to discover new stuff. And it’s important to remember Prince was opening for the Rolling Stones, and it wasn’t working. In that crowd was booing him, and then, sort of infamously, Rick James was like, hey, I’m gonna have Prince open for me on the fire it up tour. And he took prince on the fire it up tour, this tour, by the way, the fire it up tour was essentially the chitlin district, like Rick was still having a hard time crossing over. So they didn’t play la they didn’t play New York, they didn’t play Philly. The Fire Up Tour hits places like Louisville, Kentucky and Macon, Georgia and like they’re hitting small towns, but not even Atlanta, bro. Listen, listen, I think the biggest town they hit might have been Chicago, but it only hit like places in the south and the Midwest, because that’s where Rick could sell the tickets. But here’s the thing, every night, Rick was in the wings watching this opening at Prince perform, and he was hating, but he was learning. And then Prince was out on the wings when Rick would get out there, and he was learning, and also, in his own Princey way, hating and apparently sabotaging, he would, he would give Rick’s keyboard, it’s the wrong keyboard patch, like on purpose, but along the way, they both learned, and they both got better. And I’m just saying like you got to go to those live shows, because you never know, you never know what you’re gonna see.

 

Ronald young Jr.  28:54

I love it. I feel like the biggest argument that we’ve settled here is maybe we should bring back terrestrial radio so that we can get some of that […]  culture

 

Diallo Riddle  29:02

Some gatekeepers. That’s not our larger point.

 

Ronald young Jr.  29:05

All right well, I don’t think that we actually settled. I think it’s a tie, yeah, dead heat. Well, I don’t know if I would call this a tie, but I would say I you have convinced me to listen to three print songs, damn you. Adore and insatiable, which I  will check out. And this was like a in my tenure at PCDC first, where we’ve settled peacefully with both of them, kind of agreeing, agreeing on most of the points with all of that being said, Diallo. Where can everyone find you?

 

Diallo Riddle  29:33

You can find me on Instagram, @Diallo, just six letters, D I A, l, l, O, @Diallo or on Tiktok @Dialloriddle, you’ll see, yeah, you’ll find me there.

 

Ronald young Jr.  29:45

Luxury, what about you?

 

Luxxury  29:47

I haven’t counted the letters, so maybe you guys can help me with that. But I’m at luxxury with two x’s, L, U, X, X, U, R, Y, that’s seven. I think that’s seven letters. So I think I haven’t won. I think I win. I won today. Oh, seriously, I’m like more I would. I’m looking forward to listening to the train spotting soundtrack, again, slightly more than the print soundtrack, because I’ve heard it gajillion times.

 

Ronald young Jr.  30:12

And I was like a concession speech to me.

 

Luxxury  30:14

That was my concession. And I’m also on Tiktok, Luxxuryxx, l, u, x, x, u, r, y, x, x, they had. They made me add those extra X’s at the end. So that’s nine, nine letters.

 

Diallo Riddle  30:24

I thought you were just down with Jamie, yes.

 

Luxxury  30:26

Exactly. I like to get confused with other people.

 

Ronald young Jr.  30:28

And of course, everyone can catch you both on the one song podcast, yes, which is available everywhere you listen every Wednesday. And I thank you both so much for being here.

 

Luxxury  30:36

Thanks for having us, Ronald, that was fun.

 

Diallo Riddle  30:37

Thank you so much for having us. And next time we will come on, we’ll be far more violent.

 

CREDITS  30:49

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