When Online Attacks Get Personal

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After criticisms on Twitter turned into a mob of personal attacks, Amanda Jetté Knox sunk into one of the deepest spirals of her life. She checked herself into the hospital for suicidal thinking. But it wasn’t the first time that she’d hit a low point, and she knows now that it won’t be the last. This week she shares how she’s walking the long road of depression and trauma recovery.

 

 

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SPEAKERS

Amanda Jette Knox, Dr. Nzinga Harrison, Claire Jones

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  00:06

Hi, everyone, and welcome to another episode of IN RECOVERY. I’m your host, Dr. Nzinga Harrison. This week, we’re talking to writer and LGBTQ activists, Amanda Jette Knox, she is an award-winning writer, public speaker and author of Love Lives Here, a story of thriving in a transgender family. In 2020, she was criticized by the Canadian trans community for centering herself too much in the activism conversation as assists ally, while Amanda readily admits that some of the criticism was well founded. The real problem started when a torrent of hate was launched at her, and the attacks became personal, she was attacked on Twitter. And when she left that platform, she was attacked on Facebook. This led to the lowest point in Knox’s life, she checked herself into a hospital for suicidal thoughts.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison 

We wanted to talk to Amanda today to hear more about what happened after the hospital. But also because this story exemplifies how quickly the internet can become toxic and damaging, and quite frankly, dangerous. It’s a space that can connect us, unite us, and rally us, but can also be a speedy way to tear a person down. When negativity is introduced, it doesn’t take long for a positive space to become a negative feedback loop that goes far and wide. And that turns even more complicated when it’s your family, your job, your livelihood, and your identity. With all of that in mind, let’s get into our conversation with Amanda.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison

Welcome.

Amanda Jette Knox

Thank you so much for having me. I’m happy to be here.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  01:50

It’s great to have you. One, thank you so much for being so public, and so open about your experiences. I think that’s the way we reduce stigma, and save lives. And so I’m specifically talking about this last year, and your experiences bringing you to a place of suicidality to just jump straight into it. Can you talk to us about what this last year brought you? And how you navigated it?

Amanda Jette Knox  02:20

Yeah, big questions, big questions. So, I am, first of all, I should say that I am a writer and speaker. And so I do a lot of myself on social media as well. So I’m very sort of active on social media, I do a lot of work for the LGBTQ community, which I’m a part of, and my family is also a part of. My wife is trans and one of our children is non-binary. And I’m a lesbian. So I have been speaking pretty openly about that, and no surprise, get a lot of hate online. That’s sadly, sadly a reality for a lot of people, especially, especially women, especially anyone within marginalized communities. And so, the thing about online is that sometimes there’s criticism that comes up, and I expect that as somebody who has, you know, written a book and who, you know, who sort of puts it all out there.

Amanda Jette Knox

And there was some criticism that happened, that actually wasn’t horrible criticism. But what came with that was sort of an opportunity for a lot of people all at once, to turn criticism into sort of a snowball effect, where it became then a lot of personal attacks, you know, some threats, some just really horrible things said about me, my partner, our parenting, our children, our life, you know, and it just, it came at a very bad time, you know, I don’t think there’s ever a good time for that. But it this particular storm came at a time when, first of all, we were all going through a pandemic, it was early days, this was, you know, May of 2020. On top of that, one of my best friends had just lost a child a couple weeks before to cancer who was seven years old. And so that had just been devastating.

Amanda Jette Knox  04:17

You know, and so I was dealing with grief as well. And it just all I, I broke, essentially, and I know that breakdown is not actually a medical term. And I know that that can be a bit problematic. But in my own personal experience, a breakdown is definitely what I had in that moment. I just, everything fell away. I don’t remember half of it. But I did get to a point where I was basically just pleading with people online. Like my breakdown was very public. And I was saying, look, I’m not in a good place. You know, I can talk about some of the issues you may have with me or with my work or whatever it might be. But all of these personal attacks are just too much. And I’m not in a place to handle this right now. And of course, my people just sort of see that and go, I don’t even know this person. But I’m going to jump on even more now, because that’s what happens.

Amanda Jette Knox 

And then it just, it was about a week of just constant attacks, getting hate mail, getting everything I had gotten off Twitter at this point, I had really gone a lot quieter on other social media platforms. And one Saturday morning, I just, you know, saw the wrong thing at the wrong time. And again, I pleaded for people to just give me some space, it didn’t happen. And I honestly just thought at that point that that’s it, I can’t keep going. And I remember standing in the hallway in my house, and this is where it gets really dark. But I think this is important for people to talk about suicidal ideation. I stood in the hallway. And if I went left, I would have gone into the garage. And that’s where I was going to kill myself.

Amanda Jette Knox  06:02

And if I went straight, I was going to go to the car, and I was going to go into the hospital and get help. And I honestly didn’t know which one I was going to choose. I every part of me wanted to go to the garage. And I heard my children. I have, we have four children. And they were making breakfast in the kitchen. And I heard them just kind of laughing and having a good day. And I think that’s what saved me honestly. And I just without even thinking I just said I’m going for I’m going for a drive, and I just grabbed my keys and my purse, and I went into the car and I drove myself to the hospital. And that is what saved my life.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison 

Yeah, yeah. So you get in the car, and you go to the hospital, bring us forward.

Amanda Jette Knox 

I went to the hospital and they asked me, I mean it’s COVID times and I was very quiet. I think a lot of people were avoiding the ER if they didn’t have to be there. And I walked in, and they asked me what I was there for. And I said, I’m here for suicidal ideation. I almost took my life today. And when the doctor eventually asked me, I said, what I need from you is to help me keep myself safe from me. Right? That’s what I needed. I said, I don’t feel safe around me right now. The triage nurse was probably the most impactful person in so many ways there. She was just really sensitive to what I was going through and really supportive. And hats off to all the health care workers who have given so much during this pandemic, there’s been a, you know, a huge spike in mental health crises. And they have been there. I know the burnout rates are high. So thank you, and thank you to that nurse, that was life changing that day.

Amanda Jette Knox

I was there for several hours, I spoke to a wonderful doctor who actually listened to me, that was really important. And that was the first time that somebody had really said to me, this sounds a lot like PTSD. That sounds a lot like a complex form of PTSD. So I had the choice at that point. He had felt I had a really good support system, which I do, thankfully. And he said, we can keep you for a day or two if you need that. Otherwise, I can refer you to a psychiatrist, we can get you in very quickly and help you get the support you need that way. And if you feel you need to come back, you just come back. So I decided that that’s what I was going to do that I was going to leave the hospital and get help from the psychiatrist. I went home to my family. I was in rough shape for a few days, but I felt safe.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  08:55

Did they know where you had been?

Amanda Jette Knox 

I texted my wife when I was there. And I said, so I drove myself to the hospital. And she actually said she said I’m not surprised. I’m not surprised.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison 

She saw it coming.

Amanda Jette Knox 

She saw it coming. It was really it was hard on everyone. I mean, that was I think that was the worst part in some ways was not that it was only it wasn’t just hard on me. It was hard on my wife; it was hard on the kids. And our kids are older. They’re old enough to be there. They’re teenagers and young adults. They’re old enough to be on social media, they saw a lot of what was happening and what was being said. And so I sat them down that I can’t remember when it was things are kind of blurry, but I did set them down at one point and then over the next couple of days and said so this is what’s going on with me. And they were really good and everyone just kind of took care of me, that is something that not everyone has and I felt really really grateful.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  10:00

When you say you broke, was the break before you were standing at that crossroads? Was it a moment of breaking? Was it fraying? Because I think some people know exactly what you’re talking about. Other people have had experiences, and they wonder if this is what you’re talking about. So can we try to make it clear for those people who are trying to understand?

Amanda Jette Knox 

Yeah, so I think I actually broke in the bedroom, because I had woken up. And then, you know, I was actually starting to feel a little better that day, and it was a sunny day, and I was gonna go out and do some gardening and just try and have an okay day after days of not being okay. And I had gone through a lot of cycles over those days, I had gone through, you know, sadness, and anger and fear, and this feeling of rejection. And what I didn’t realize at the time, which is also really important is it was I had a lot of trauma that hadn’t been diagnosed and I hadn’t worked through. So that sort of really played into what happened to me. And so I was actually in bed, and I checked social media, which I try not to do now, I try not to check social media first thing in the morning when I’m in bed, because it can really set your whole day off.

Amanda Jette Knox

And I saw, I was tagged in something on Facebook, which I was one of the only platforms I was using at the time. And it was from a very unexpected person who was just being really mean about what had happened. And that is when I remember replying, and I said something like, you know, please, I’m happy to talk about this with you. But I really can’t do this right now. I really can’t. And there was this expectation that I know, I need to, you know, you need to address this right now, you need to you know, and it was in that moment, when I realized, you know, or at least I thought at the time, this is never going to go away, this is never going to go away. I’m never gonna, I’m never going to be okay again. I’m just a burden on everyone. I’m a terrible person. And I don’t deserve to live.

Amanda Jette Knox  12:31

And that is when everything broke. So I was getting really close for a few days. But it was just one thing after the next thing. And I take this back to when I was in high school. And I was bullied really badly in high school. I was actually set on fire in front of my high school at one point. And I was okay. I know it was really bad. And it was a couple of girls just you know, same grade as me just trying to fit in with the older kids. And they’re just trying to find a target. And I had always been a target. We had gone to the same elementary school and I’d always been a target for them. So they just thought let’s continue it, I guess.

Amanda Jette Knox

And they actually sprayed hairspray on my back and threw matches at me in front of a group of people. The whole thing was orchestrated, it seemed like it had been planned. And I was very traumatized by this. And so but it that was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me when I was younger. And this is what this was. It wasn’t one thing. It was one thing on top of another thing on top of another thing so yeah, that’s when I just like everything changed. I felt like this. There was a sort of, you know, dark thoughts for several days. But then it was like the dark thoughts just took over completely that morning.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison 

The light, just turned all the lights out.

Amanda Jette Knox 

That’s it. Exactly. Yeah, I just couldn’t. I felt like I couldn’t go another step. It was it was really bad. So my wife actually went to have a shower. And it was in that moment, that I thought this is my opportunity to just not be here anymore. They don’t need me. And I think that’s part of the thing is like as a mother and a partner. You know, I was at first thinking, I need to be around for my children. I need to be around for my spouse I you know, but when it’s like everything shifted, and it was like, no, I’m no good to anyone anymore. So I can’t, I shouldn’t be here. I’m just hurting them. That’s what happened.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  14:32

It’s so common. You know, as a psychiatrist, I kind of walk this journey with a lot of people over the last couple of decades. And it’s very, very consistently described the way you just did, which is like, it actually happens pretty quickly from the pain, getting to the place where it just changes your thoughts from being able to even see the importance that you hold in other people’s lives to it would actually be better for everyone if I wasn’t here. And that’s when it gets really dangerous.

Amanda Jette Knox 

Exactly. I felt like I was doing everyone a favor. I really did. It’s amazing because I would never think that way today, but that’s where your thoughts go. It was really frightening how fast everything changed.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison 

Was that the first time you had experienced that in your life? Or had you experienced kind of this I don’t want to say depth and I don’t want to stay severity. Because I’m thinking of it kind of like a continuum of I didn’t wake up tomorrow, that would be fine. To what you said, this is my opportunity to end this pain. Had you ever like been in that place in suicidal thinking before in your life?

Amanda Jette Knox

One time in my life. I was 13 years old. It was shortly after everything happened with those girls at school. I had some, I was abusing substances I was cutting. I was in a really bad place. And it was a random phone call that actually saved my life. It’s an interesting story. But I was, some of my I had very few friends at school, but one of them had noticed my arms. I was trying hard to cover up my cuts. And she had noticed and she was very concerned. And she took me aside and said my boyfriend is someone who’s been through this before. He’s been in a lot of pain. Could he call you someday?

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  16:29

I hope that friend is a psychiatrist. That was brilliant.

Amanda Jette Knox 

Right. It was it was so incredible to have somebody say I don’t know what it is you’re going through. But I have some in my life who has an I would love to get the two of you in touch.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison 

That was beautiful.

Amanda Jette Knox 

Right? So and in my mind, I was already making plans. So I said sure. Of course no problem. That would be great. And he was just the nicest, softest greatest person. And he said the right things at the right time. And we became really good friends. He really did save my life. He ended up moving across the country a few months later, which just kind of broke my heart. But we got in touch again over Facebook years later. And I said, I just want you to know, you really did save my life. So yeah, that was the one other time I’ve had postpartum depression. I’ve had bouts of depression and low mood throughout my life. But never anything that serious. And I honestly never thought I would get back there again. And it really frightened me that I was back there again last year.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison

So you started this story out by saying you didn’t use these words. But this is how I interpret it. Your emotional resources were already low from COVID when this onslaught came on. And so when you came back from the ER and you had your family and the support wrapping around you, what did those first few steps towards recovery from this episode look like for you? And then how do you take the learnings all the way from 13 years old, this new knowledge around complex psychological trauma? How do you take kind of that experience that knowledge that support from your family, and try to practice prevention?

Amanda Jette Knox  18:21

That’s a great question. So the first thing was acknowledging that there was something deeper going on. I had previously been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder; I had been diagnosed with depression a couple of times in my life. But I always knew there was something else. And so when we started to talk about trauma in the ER, I really started to read about it and, and try to understand it. I did a lot of resting and a lot of reading and a lot of just being in the same rooms as people for a little bit. Because I really felt safer. If I was with other people, I just needed that connection. I remember my wife; Zoey and I watched a lot of TV. I don’t remember what we watched. But it didn’t matter because we just we were just together. And the kids would kind of crawl into bed with me and watch a movie or something. And that was really nice. And when I saw this psychiatrist, it didn’t take long for her to figure out what was going on.

Amanda Jette Knox

And that too was really validating. I can’t say enough about the validation that comes with a proper diagnosis. I wish this was more readily available for people. I recognize my privilege in this that I had a lot of it and that I was able to get the support that I needed fairly quickly. And she was just fantastic in explaining to me what was going on in my body, what was going on in my mind how those things work together. And how that creates trauma responses. And I also had the most amazing gift of somebody reaching out to me on social media, who is a trauma therapist, and we had just very recently connected just on social just following each other. And she said, I would love to work with you and help you through this. So we did several weeks of trauma specific therapy, which was hard, it was hard.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  20:30

So tell us about it. Because I know listeners are like trauma specific therapy sounds very scary, and no, thank you. But you’re telling us a story about how it was hard. But it led to you being in the place where you are today, which is a better place. So can you just give us a bird’s eye view? What was trauma focused therapy like? Like, what could people expect?

Amanda Jette Knox 

Mostly what we did was talk therapy, but there was also some, some sort of, there was a lot of like, somatic sort of body type stuff involved, trauma gets stored in the body. And this is something that I really wish more people understood, because I certainly didn’t understand it, that all of our memories, and all those difficult pains and hurts that come with trauma gets stored in us, you know, so words and talk therapy is very helpful for some things.

Amanda Jette Knox 

And it was helpful for me in some ways, but it didn’t peel back the surface that didn’t help me release the trauma from my body. So, it involved also like building in everyday things that I could do outside of therapy to help that. So meditation, breathing exercises, yoga, exercise, in general, just a lot of different things that I could build in just having a list of things. I have a list next to my computer right now. And it says when triggered, and there’s eight different things that I can do to bring myself back to a triggered.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  22:11

Oh, can you share us these eight things?

Amanda Jette Knox

Totally, so, I actually got these from the crappy childhood fairy as she calls herself. She’s a wonderful childhood trauma specialist, and she has a YouTube channel and some courses, she’s quite, quite amazing. And so these are some of the things that she said to do. When triggered, you notice it, you admit it, you admit this is what’s going on, you step away, you can do things like stomp your feet. So I only wrote down things that were actually helpful for me, she has many, many more ideas. You take some breaths, like deep breaths, you had to really get in there and do the deep breaths and the slow releases, you can do things like wash your hands, so that reconnects you to your body, you can have a cold shower or a lukewarm shower to help reset your body, you can get a tight hug from somebody or you can give yourself a tight hug, that actually really helps calm down the system.

Amanda Jette Knox 

So there’s I’ve added to this list over time, but there are so many different things that I have to do. And I actually I have, I just have lists everywhere and reminders everywhere of what I need to do to stay grounded. It works most of the time now as opposed to before when I would get triggered and I could be offline, if you want to call it that my brain, part of my brain would shut down when I was triggered, and I can be offline for two or three days. And now I’m able to come back, within like minutes or an hour or two. And that’s huge. Another thing I wish that I had known about it is that trauma is really about peeling back layers. There’s, you know, you peel back the first layer of trauma. That’s what happened to me last year.

Amanda Jette Knox

And then I thought, well, I feel great. This is great. I am great. And I was. I was great for a few months, and then something happened. And I just was not great again. I was like What’s wrong with me? Why am I having this really bad time right now? And then I realized, oh, there was stuff buried underneath that trauma, there’s more trauma, there’s more stuff that I have to deal with. So it’s just liked a constant sort of recognizing and moving through and healing from and I will be doing this I think for a while, but I’m perfectly okay with that.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  24:26

Yeah, because if you had diabetes, you wouldn’t be doing that for the rest of your life. Thinking about those layers, so those layers started very young for you. And childhood as they do trauma layers for most people start very young in childhood. Did you have coping skills back then?

Amanda Jette Knox 

I had some coping skills. I think it’s gonna sound like be weird thing to say. But I think I was fortunate that I was struggling with drinking at the time, I wound up in a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center at 14. And I was there for six months, it was a very intensive program. It was an intensive, you know, again, peel back all the layers kind of situation. And they built me back up, they helped me build myself back up with some coping skills. But these were 14-year-old coping skills. And then a lot more happened in my life. I, you know, I moved out of my house at 16, I was on the street for a little while I, you know, I met my partner, we had children, you know, all these different things happened. And then over time, those old coping skills didn’t really fit with my current life.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison

Yeah, I think it’s so critically important what you just said, which is, those were 14-year-old coping skills. And then all the rest of these things happen in life, because we’re all changing, we’re all growing, a lot of us are being cut down, right? In our lives every day. And whatever those experiences were having in our lives to use your words from earlier, are getting coded in our bodies, in our physical bodies, in our physiology, in our minds, in our thoughts about ourselves, in our thoughts about life meaning, and so this idea about recovery, being a lifelong thing, I think is like learning yourself today, and knowing what coping skills you can bring forward. But also when those coping skills, need a reboot, or something new needs to be added to the toolbox. How do you recognize pre-pandemic, to now post-pandemic. How do you recognize that something about my coping toolbox is not effective right now, these are what my triggers are, like, I need something more.

Amanda Jette Knox  27:07

When I start to notice that I am feeling so it’s where I’m feeling the trauma. So I tend to stop and go, okay, I’m breathing kind of shallow right now. You know, I’m feeling a bit tight in the chest and my stomach feels a bit off. And I’ve just feeling kind of really alert and fearful. And so that is the beginning of what would be a trigger, followed by, you know, a whole spiral of trauma that can take me down this long and winding path. And so that’s when I go, okay, let’s try a couple of things. Usually, that works. If it doesn’t work, around the anniversary of the day that I almost took my life, I had a really rough week leading up to that. And that’s to be expected. I knew that was coming. And I scheduled an extra therapy session, I did all those things. But I still had a particularly bad day. And I talked about that on social media, because I thought it was really important for people to see that, you know, trauma can find you sometimes, and you know, but you still have to work your way through it.

Amanda Jette Knox  28:20

And so what I do now is if I notice that those things are not working, I go talk to someone right away, and I break the cycle, because what I used to do is just shut down, I would just like get all curled up kind of in a ball, whether you know, you’re talking, you know, really in a ball or just in my head. And I wouldn’t tell anyone because there was so much shame that came with that I would start thinking you’re a grown adult, like what do you, you know, you’re not supposed to care what people think of you, you know, you have your life is so good. What do you have to complain about? Right? And why are you feeling this way. So now I don’t do that anymore. Now you go, hey, you’re hurting that little girl inside of you. She’s hurting. So you need to go and talk to someone because that’s what you would want it to do when you were a child and you didn’t always have somebody there to talk to.

Amanda Jette Knox 

So now it is time for you to go break that cycle. So that’s what I do I become either my own parent or my own best friend, depending on how you want to look at it. What would I tell if my best friend was sitting in front of me right now? And they don’t tell me all of these things. What would I want for her? What would I want for her to do? What would I give her and I do that. So that is the difference? I value myself enough today. I have enough self-worth that I have been building up over time, to be able to do that and that is what stops it.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison

You validate yourself instead of invalidating yourself.

Amanda Jette Knox

Exactly that, exactly that, because it is real. What’s happening to me is real. And it hurts. It hurts. And I have the right to acknowledge it. I have the right to heal from it.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  30:01

Yep. Yep. Our childhoods are still with us, as adults, every day, when we’re hurting, if we can validate ourselves. And immediately as soon as possible, reach out for the support we need, that can help prevent the spiral. Being in recovery does not mean not having hard days, because I think a lot of people paint rainbows, and unicorns. And like, if you’re really a recovery every day is a great day. And it’s like, if you’re alive, every day is not a great day.

Amanda Jette Knox

Please keep going. Because I think it is sometimes really easy, when you’re in a dark place to think that there is no hope, and that things are never going to get better. And that you’re always going to feel this way. But there is hope. And things can get better. And you can feel a lot better. And it might take some time. But you’re worth it, you are so worth the time, you have so much value and you have so much to give, you’re just hurting right now. So please get the support that you need, so that you can feel better, you really deserve it.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison 

Thank you. So Claire, there was so much goodness, in that conversation with Amanda, what really touched you?

Claire Jones

My honest answer is just like, I just wish the that mental health resources were accessible to everyone. Because whether that is through community, or whether that is through mental health professionals, like those are the things that saved her both times with work, you know, like, people reaching out, or hearing her family, and then from there being able, you know, after the second time being able to go and see a mental health professional and that is or like having healthcare providers that listen and we’re compassionate. I mean, that’s the part that struck me the most, but I also don’t want my takeaway to be like…

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  32:24

No, I mean, that I was I was thinking the same thing. As I was listening to her story. I was like, thank goodness, that friend in middle school, saw her cuts. Thank goodness, she went the extra mile to say, my boyfriend reached out to you. Thank goodness, her boyfriend actually reached out. Thank goodness, this time around when she got to the ER that the triage nurse was not dismissive of a complaint of suicidality, which is very common. Thank goodness, it sounds like she was in an ER, where the ER doc support from a psychiatrists, thank goodness, they were able to link her to somewhere quickly. Thank goodness, she had a support system to come back to right like all of the pieces that we want to be there for everybody. Were there.

Claire Jones

Yeah. And I think it just goes to show how important it is to have sort of like support systems and those support posts, because I think it is really easy to convince ourselves that we’re fine. And once we’re fine, we don’t have to pay attention to these things. And part of the reason why we wanted to have this conversation with her so badly, is because this is an example of somebody who experienced trauma early on in her life, had some tools to handle that trauma in some way. And then, you know, in a year where a lot of triggers come up for people’s hard pasts on top of like another traumatic event. Like it’s really easy to go back to a dark place. And I think people all of a sudden are like, where am I tools?

Dr. Nzinga Harrison  34:04

Right, it’s dark, you literally can’t find your tools because you’re sitting in the pitch dark. But like she said, and this is, you know, the first step, quote, recognizes you have a problem, that list that she had on the side of her computer that said, her first step was recognize it. And you actually said to me, we’re talking about something else, but you were like, it’s so powerful when you get a name for things. And she said that we’re talking about languishing and you’re like, it’s so powerful when you get a name for things that she said the same thing here like to have somebody put a name to the complex psychological trauma she had experienced as a child like it gives you power. Like now I can figure out what to do with this. And so I think that’s a huge takeaway that I want people to take away with them from this episode, which is just like we’re taught to close our eyes and maybe it’ll go away. We need to open our eyes and ask for help as early as possible, even though the system makes it so hard to ask for help. Yep. Yeah. I really appreciate her for coming on.

Claire Jones 

Yeah. And we’ll link to her website, which has all of her blog posts if you want to read more about her story. And as we said at the top of last week’s episode, we’re coming down to our last couple of episodes. So if you want to write in or ask a question, make sure you call us at 833 -453-6662 and we will see you next week.

Dr. Nzinga Harrison

Next week. Talk to you then.

CREDITS

IN RECOVERY is a Lemonada Media Original. This show is produced by Claire Jones and edited by Ivan Kuraev. Jackie Danziger is our supervising producer. Our theme was composed by Dan Molad with additional music by Kuraev. Stephanie Wittels Wachs and Jessica Cordova Kramer are our executive producers. Rate us, review us, and say nice things. Follow us at @LemonadaMedia across all social platforms, or find me on Twitter at @naharrisonmd. If you’ve learned from us, share the show with your others. Let’s help to stigmatize addiction together.

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